When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ?

[Parsons]

Mars ended up the way it is by it's own inhabitants choosing "bellicose actions caused such difficulty in the atmospheric environment of their planet that it became inhospitable for third-density experience before the end of its cycle." Venus had a 3D graduation of those of Ra and two STS/negative entities. The planet is currently inhabited by 5D entities not of Ra.

The quarantine is put in place on any planetary population that exhibits a strong propensity towards Empire. The Empire invades attacks other empires for resources or out of fear. Empire is basically an extension of the Pack that forms in 2D where the pack is thought of as an extension of the self but not seen as other-selves. The kind of war that is portrayed in video games and movies is just not allowed as the cosmos are literally the body of the Creator. Does your spleen go to war with your liver? If there "war" amongst your cells on a large enough scale in your body, the body would not function and die. The Council of Saturn is at the Octave(8D) level of creation which is essentially part of the consciousness of the Creator which makes decisions such as placing us in a quarantine/time lateral.

I have seen several wanderers filtering in to these forums that have been influenced by our planets media which is very heavily influenced by the negative elite who are quite aware that the cosmos are full of peace. These wanderers seem to want to believe that all is deception. This is a valid distortion of the One, such are all perspectives, although it personally pains me to see this needless fear in an other-self.

One final note, the word "alien" is entirely alien to me. There are extra-terrestrial/dimensional beings of both polarities in the universe, most of which are positive. All are the Creator, all are literally a component physically and metaphysically of the same Being. So how could anyone, even the 'worst' of the negative polarity such as the one formally known as Genghis Khan(the one responsible for the Orion Crusaders) be "alien"? Even this entity will one day(6.5D) have no other choice but to return to the Love/Light/Unity of the Creator.

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Genghis Khan(the one responsible for the Orion Crusaders)

I don't think he is "the one responsible for the Orion Crusaders", but a lowly "shipping clerk". Although I could see him working for UPS and responsible for losing everyone's packages.

[Parsons]

I think you are taking that title way too literally. I'm sure its a more important position than you realize.

[Spaced]

Well, one of the things that Genghis Khan was known for (one of the many) was setting up a messenger service in his empire that was the fastest in the world at the time. I'm sure the Orion Empire would find such services useful.

[reeay]

So we take our legacy onto the next life? lol that's pretty neat

[Cyan]

So we take our legacy onto the next life? lol that's pretty neat

"next life". Lol.

If there is one only "the one" universe what is death except teleportation within that universe?

[reeay]

it is a transition. just an expression of the next phase :p

[Tenet Nosce]

The "danger" for 4th density (positive) planetary complexes is that the 3rd density entity will look upon them and worship them as gods and messiahs. 3D entities must first learn to be responsible for their own selves rather than expect external "saviours" from outer space (most still look up to some "big daddy" in the skies or some image of "superhero" to submit to and/or come and rescue them).

A salient, yet easily overlooked, point. In consideration of the percentage of "lightworkers" hoping and praying for an "alien rescue", let us be thankful that a quarantine is still in effect. And that's not even taking into consideration how the religious nutjobs would react.

People seem quick to forget that 4D entities posing as "gods" to 3D entities is precisely what occurred at the beginning of this cycle.

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But since we are going into 4d and that this is a process, at one point the quarantine will be lifted. Don't you think ?

Yes, perhaps in a thousand years time.

Could be much sooner than that. At this point, I would say all bets are off.

Also- I don't see any reason to preclude the possibility of those of sufficient consciousness being able to perceive/experience higher densities (to some degree) while still incarnated here.

[zenmaster]

Could be much sooner than that. At this point, I would say all bets are off.

Could be, depends on learning and acceptance.

Also- I don't see any reason to preclude the possibility of those of sufficient consciousness being able to perceive/experience higher densities (to some degree) while still incarnated here.

Well 3D only can't, which includes all wanderers. And the local subdensities of 4D are just being created with newly incarnated individuals beginning the 4D experience.

[hogey11]

In consideration of the percentage of "lightworkers" hoping and praying for an "alien rescue", let us be thankful that a quarantine is still in effect. And that's not even taking into consideration how the religious nutjobs would react.

People seem quick to forget that 4D entities posing as "gods" to 3D entities is precisely what occurred at the beginning of this cycle.

I think the difference is that in today's here and now, they could come without the mystical qualities they had before. In technology, they could explain most of the things they can do without us having to think they are anything more than smarter or more evolved than we are in technological terms. If they were to implement disclosure by first giving us technologies to make our planet a much easier place to live, and then waited for a global consensus on first contact before 'landing', they might be able to pull it off in the very globalized world we now live in. Our 'house' is now big enough that they can knock on the front door of the whole and ask to come in, imo.

This is all just me thinking things up tho. I could be very wrong, but I think the variables involved with the engineering of disclosure are changing every day as we take more and more steps forward in our capabilities. Time will tell; I used to hope for it, but now I don't really care one way or another. If disclosure happens, i'd be pretty excited, but I expect nothing one way or another. I worry about what's in front of me, so until there's a ET in front of me, it's not part of my battle

(I still hope it happens tho )

[unir 1]

The quarantine will probably be lifted when all 3d entities from Mars/Maldek have been transported to the next 3d planet, assuming they didn't make it to 4d. That seems to be why the quarantine was used in the first place; so their interrupted progress in their 3d cycle could continue right where their individual distortions left them. If there was no quarantine established right when they were put on planet Earth, they probably would've been visited by Orion crusaders or other more friendly beings- - In that case, the transference would've probably been meaningless; to have those entities come back to their conscious 3d experience just so they can be abducted/given technology? Their actions were probably not previously imbalanced to be able to give them an experience of either of those 2 circumstances, but that's another matter.

Also, I don't think the quarantine was for the planetary body rather than the entities. I'm basing that off of past graduations in earlier planets; did Venus require a quarantine, or Saturn?

So if the quarantine is lifted when the Mars or Maldek entities, or both, are gone, then some wanderers and/or Earth natives might remain unquarantined...but who knows when, or if that will happen.

[zenmaster]

I think there is a normal progression of 3D consciousness on a planet which involves investment from 4D entities (just as 3D invests 2D). With 3D, the investment is a response to a calling. The calling is planet-wide as soon as the law of squares is of a sufficient strength. That means others who are not calling for that info or are calling for different info are still subjected to the response of the request. The quarantine attempts to block responses (of the physical type) to all requests from any source in order to retain free will. This was deemed necessary because of the introduction of those from Mars (Maldek no, because they still needed to graduate to 3D - and would be essentially native here after graduating and beginning 3D over again. Also most from Maldek have long sense departed).

[unir 1]

I think there is a normal progression of 3D consciousness on a planet which involves investment from 4D entities (just as 3D invests 2D). With 3D, the investment is a response to a calling. The calling is planet-wide as soon as the law of squares is of a sufficient strength. That means others who are not calling for that info or are calling for different info are still subjected to the response of the request. The quarantine attempts to block responses (of the physical type) to all requests from any source in order to retain free will. This was deemed necessary because of the introduction of those from Mars (Maldek no, because they still needed to graduate to 3D - and would be essentially native here after graduating and beginning 3D over again. Also most from Maldek have long sense departed).

I don't think a 4d STO response, in a physical way or otherwise, to a 3d call would infringe on free-will. I'm perceiving that what you said about the planet-wide call is not about the whole race of a planet whom would send a calling, because then there would be no way of infringement from a STO response. Like you've said, there may have to be (I don't remember how Ra had put it exactly) a strong enough call from a group or a great mass of people and then the response would be received. I'm not clear how others desiring other services would be infringed upon; they would not get what they sought, but is that the infringement? The people who do receive something out of a 4d+ (positive) service might use that "thing" negatively but that's the individual's choice ...and perhaps the StO entity would not even give them that "thing" (info/item) if the intent is STS. I do recall Ra saying that the calling had to be sincere. The serving entity would most likely not just give information if we were deceptively asking for it under a service-to-others pretext.
As for the response/service/4d-investment on the 3d graduation (this might not be related to your post)...I don't think it is necessary. I mean we are quarantined, so that is supposed to mean that our progression is not normal, correct? Plus, we have received very helpful channeling, pyramids, crystal knowledge...maybe I've misinterpreted your post. Would you say that 4d investment is liken to 4d entities becoming noticeable to the 3d entity, like appearing before us or speaking to us telepathically, or that they would imbue us in Love? And instead of that happening (since being placed on quarantine) we have to learn all the "good stuff" by ourselves?

[zenmaster]

I don't think a 4d STO response, in a physical way or otherwise, to a 3d call would infringe on free-will.

I'm saying it would if it affected multiple individuals which is what the broad calling is asking for.

I'm perceiving that what you said about the planet-wide call is not about the whole race of a planet whom would send a calling, because then there would be no way of infringement from a STO response.

I don't mean a planet-wide call, I mean a call with sufficient strength to involve the entire planet. In that case a STO response effecting multiple individuals would violate free will.

Like you've said, there may have to be (I don't remember how Ra had put it exactly) a strong enough call from a group or a great mass of people and then the response would be received. I'm not clear how others desiring other services would be infringed upon; they would not get what they sought, but is that the infringement?

It is possible infringement due to different biases, lines and stages of development here. If you change culture you are severely affecting choice (regarding service orientation). The experience of weighing that decision according to naive approaches is "free will". You simply don't have the naive approach with a certain amount of distilled experience - thus the problem of quarantine.

The people who do receive something out of a 4d+ (positive) service might use that "thing" negatively but that's the individual's choice ...and perhaps the StO entity would not even give them that "thing" (info/item) if the intent is STS. I do recall Ra saying that the calling had to be sincere. The serving entity would most likely not just give information if we were deceptively asking for it under a service-to-others pretext.
As for the response/service/4d-investment on the 3d graduation (this might not be related to your post)...I don't think it is necessary. I mean we are quarantined, so that is supposed to mean that our progression is not normal, correct?

It would mean that our progression lacks certain influences which may result in more confusion. I think this is the reason for the massive amounts of wanderers incarnating which attempt, as compensation, to remove confusion, albeit subtly due to inability to remember.

Plus, we have received very helpful channeling, pyramids, crystal knowledge...maybe I've misinterpreted your post. Would you say that 4d investment is liken to 4d entities becoming noticeable to the 3d entity, like appearing before us or speaking to us telepathically, or that they would imbue us in Love? And instead of that happening (since being placed on quarantine) we have to learn all the "good stuff" by ourselves?

There are different types of responses. I'm talking about those which influence culture - the social mind. 4D has been basically been blocked here due to their lower-vibrations and polarized inclinations.

[unir 1]

My response was unexpectedly erased, but my point was this:

The quarantine was in place for the Mars experience to continue. Right? It has been said that after the Earth's 3d cycles end, there will be little polarization possible for Earth's entities...I don't know why, but if somebody brings up the Q'uo channeling that confirms this it might be useful here.
Anyways, when the harvesting/last cycle is done the Mars experience will no longer continue, correct? Or is it as I stated, that until the last Mars entity makes the choice of polarity, there shall be an unceasing quarantine.
If there is not enough information about the quarantine to answer definitively, then what is there that needs to be figured out?

And if the quarantine does happen to be lifted very soon, will this be why [there] will be little opportunity to polarize, since unquarantined influences might come and push us toward their orientations?

[zenmaster]

And if the quarantine does happen to be lifted very soon, will this be why their will be little opportunity to polarize, since unquarantined influences might come and push us toward their orientations?

Why would the quarantine be lifted while there is still useful 3D experience left? No reason to cut it short as far as I can tell.

[unir 1]

And if the quarantine does happen to be lifted very soon, will this be why their will be little opportunity to polarize, since unquarantined influences might come and push us toward their orientations?

Why would the quarantine be lifted while there is still useful 3D experience left? No reason to cut it short as far as I can tell.

Then do you think that the quarantine, lifted, will deprive us of experience? Wouldn't any experience be useful 3d experience, regardless of our being infringed/swayed?

[xise]

My response was unexpectedly erased, but my point was this:

The quarantine was in place for the Mars experience to continue. Right? It has been said that after the Earth's 3d cycles end, there will be little polarization possible for Earth's entities...I don't know why, but if somebody brings up the Q'uo channeling that confirms this it might be useful here.
Anyways, when the harvesting/last cycle is done the Mars experience will no longer continue, correct? Or is it as I stated, that until the last Mars entity makes the choice of polarity, there shall be an unceasing quarantine.
If there is not enough information about the quarantine to answer definitively, then what is there that needs to be figured out?

And if the quarantine does happen to be lifted very soon, will this be why [there] will be little opportunity to polarize, since unquarantined influences might come and push us toward their orientations?

I'm big fan of Q'uo, but sometimes I wonder how accurate they are when it comes to transient non philosophical information. There are a lot of people out there who say the Law of One is 90% accurate, and Ra himself states they are less accurate with transient info, so you have to really wonder about Q'uo on specifics. Although its somewhat unclear what transient info is, I think it's uncontested that the Law of One philosophy is not transient, hence why I feel similarly very comfortable when Q'uo fleshes out LOO concepts. But you have to wonder when it comes to specifics about this world.

I suppose resonance is key.

[zenmaster]

And if the quarantine does happen to be lifted very soon, will this be why their will be little opportunity to polarize, since unquarantined influences might come and push us toward their orientations?

Why would the quarantine be lifted while there is still useful 3D experience left? No reason to cut it short as far as I can tell.

Then do you think that the quarantine, lifted, will deprive us of experience? Wouldn't any experience be useful 3d experience, regardless of our being infringed/swayed?

I'd think the idea is the quality of experience. An experience to choose according to maximally self-determined bias. Factors working against that choice include other-selves with hundreds of lifetimes worth more of foreign, socially developed bias.

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But you have to wonder when it comes to specifics about this world.

Simply look at the historical record of channeled material by the group. There is an evolution of question and answer depending on transient, social and personal concerns. And you know it's not "Latwii" (for example) that has evolved. The info tends to go on and on in a sermon-like, validating, overly vague, rather indulgent manner, with conspicuously no real concern for conciseness or about expressing general principles (i.e. of evolution) as with the Ra contact.

[Tenet Nosce]

Well 3D only can't, which includes all wanderers.

63.19 Questioner: It would seem to me that some of the harvestable third-density entities are, however, relatively old since I know of some individuals who can bend metal who are over 50 years old and some others over 30. Would there be other entities who could bend metal for other reasons than having dual activated bodies?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Any entity who, by accident or by careful design, penetrates intelligent energy’s gateway may use the shaping powers of this energy.

also

90.25 Questioner: What were these?

Ra: I am Ra. One more; that is, the permeability of the densities so that there may be communication from density to density and from plane to plane or sub-density to sub-density.

So, the Wanderer would not likely suddenly develop "superhuman abilities." However, they might be able to access more of their memory, and thus be able to carry more love/wisdom in their consciousness, and thus increase the potential to penetrate intelligent energy. I presume life would feel less restrictive and catalyst less "heavy" as the population passes through the subdensities.

Also, if the Wanderer has attained the 5th sub-density of the home density, then will be additional communication that way.

And the local subdensities of 4D are just being created with newly incarnated individuals beginning the 4D experience.

Since when? Circa 1935?

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In technology, they could explain most of the things they can do without us having to think they are anything more than smarter or more evolved than we are in technological terms.

Yes, that's true. From what I gather, much of the false "alien savior" scenario would basically involve a group which kept their technology hidden from humanity in some way or another.

But if the quarantine is gradually lifted, subdensity by subdensity, rather than stripped away all at once, then we would do well to keep in mind from which planes we can expect contact.

Which means, we would probably be contacted first by a group that is in late third density. There's also the possibility that this late third density group is here on earth, living underground.

If they were to implement disclosure by first giving us technologies to make our planet a much easier place to live, and then waited for a global consensus on first contact before 'landing', they might be able to pull it off in the very globalized world we now live in.

How long do you think it would take to reach that consensus? And what percentage constitutes a consensus?

Our 'house' is now big enough that they can knock on the front door of the whole and ask to come in, imo.

Yes, but who gets to answer the door? The "Government"?

This is all just me thinking things up tho. I could be very wrong, but I think the variables involved with the engineering of disclosure are changing every day as we take more and more steps forward in our capabilities. Time will tell; I used to hope for it, but now I don't really care one way or another. If disclosure happens, i'd be pretty excited, but I expect nothing one way or another. I worry about what's in front of me, so until there's a ET in front of me, it's not part of my battle

Agreed.

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I think there is a normal progression of 3D consciousness on a planet which involves investment from 4D entities (just as 3D invests 2D). With 3D, the investment is a response to a calling.

Yes, but what wasn't normal is that our most recent calling involved detonation of nuclear weapons.

The calling is planet-wide as soon as the law of squares is of a sufficient strength.

When is that again?

[zenmaster]

So, the Wanderer would not likely suddenly develop "superhuman abilities." However, they might be able to access more of their memory, and thus be able to carry more love/wisdom in their consciousness, and thus increase the potential to penetrate intelligent energy. I presume life would feel less restrictive and catalyst less "heavy" as the population passes through the subdensities.

Accessing more of memory, for a wanderer, is a function of polarity. Polarity here is a function of mind. I don't see mind changing without the body changing.

Also, if the Wanderer has attained the 5th sub-density of the home density, then will be additional communication that way.

I don't see anything special about the 5th sub-density of any density with respect to what may or may not be communicated.

And the local subdensities of 4D are just being created with newly incarnated individuals beginning the 4D experience.

Since when? Circa 1935?

Circa 1980.

I think there is a normal progression of 3D consciousness on a planet which involves investment from 4D entities (just as 3D invests 2D). With 3D, the investment is a response to a calling.

Yes, but what wasn't normal is that our most recent calling involved detonation of nuclear weapons.

And how does that particular abnormality affect development here?

The calling is planet-wide as soon as the law of squares is of a sufficient strength.

When is that again?

As soon as it overrides all other entities not calling.

[Tenet Nosce]

Accessing more of memory, for a wanderer, is a function of polarity. Polarity here is a function of mind. I don't see mind changing without the body changing.

Are you referring to actual changes in brain structure? If so, there is a great deal more of the mind that can be accessed given our current brains. Also- there is an entire brain's worth of neurons surrounding the gut that we are just beginning to become aware of.

I don't see anything special about the 5th sub-density of any density with respect to what may or may not be communicated.

The thought is- when 5th sub-density begins, then communication from the the 5th subdensities of higher densities would be increased. Same for 6th, 7th, etc.

Circa 1980.

Then, what are they talking about here?

40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it.

And how does that particular abnormality affect development here?

We "broke quarantine" from the inside by detonating nuclear weapons. To a "negatively polarized" civilization having been affected by this decision, the natural response to this calling would have been to seek control of us "for our own good."

As soon as it overrides all other entities not calling.

I still don't really understand how the "Law of Squares" is supposed to work.

I also just found this interesting quote as it mentions the Law of Squares:

22.27 Questioner: I see. Then I will state the picture I have of Atlantis and you tell me if I am correct.

We have a condition where a large enough percentage of the people of Atlantis had started at least going in the direction of the Law of One and living the Law of One for their call to be heard by the Confederation. This call was heard because, using the Law of Squares, it overrode the opposition of the Atlantean entities who were not calling. The Confederation then used channels such as we use now in communication and also made contact directly, but this turned out to be a mistake because it was perverted by the entities of Atlantis. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct with one exception. There is only one law. That is the Law of One. Other so-called laws are distortions of this law, some of them primal and most important for progress to be understood. However, it is well that each so-called law, which we also call “way,” be understood as a distortion rather than a law. There is no multiplicity to the Law of One.

What do you think they mean here by: "Going in the direction of the Law of One and living the Law of One"? Specifically, how do you think such a culture would view the concept of "self" and "other"?

[zenmaster]

Accessing more of memory, for a wanderer, is a function of polarity. Polarity here is a function of mind. I don't see mind changing without the body changing.

Are you referring to actual changes in brain structure? If so, there is a great deal more of the mind that can be accessed given our current brains. Also- there is an entire brain's worth of neurons surrounding the gut that we are just beginning to become aware of.

Yes, actual changes in local and non-local brain structure. As far as our current brains, "When there is no progress those conditions which grant progress are gradually lost"

I don't see anything special about the 5th sub-density of any density with respect to what may or may not be communicated.

The thought is- when 5th sub-density begins, then communication from the the 5th subdensities of higher densities would be increased. Same for 6th, 7th, etc.

Because of harmonic resonance? It's possible, but there is actually nothing at all conscious about any subdensity unless and until distilled experience supports the acceptance required for access.

Circa 1980.

Then, what are they talking about here?

40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it.

There, they were talking about the start of 4D vibrations for the Earth. (But, that's not what I was referring to.)

And how does that particular abnormality affect development here?

We "broke quarantine" from the inside by detonating nuclear weapons. To a "negatively polarized" civilization having been affected by this decision, the natural response to this calling would have been to seek control of us "for our own good."

How do you see that from the material?

As soon as it overrides all other entities not calling.

I still don't really understand how the "Law of Squares" is supposed to work.

I also just found this interesting quote as it mentions the Law of Squares:

22.27 Questioner: I see. Then I will state the picture I have of Atlantis and you tell me if I am correct.

We have a condition where a large enough percentage of the people of Atlantis had started at least going in the direction of the Law of One and living the Law of One for their call to be heard by the Confederation. This call was heard because, using the Law of Squares, it overrode the opposition of the Atlantean entities who were not calling. The Confederation then used channels such as we use now in communication and also made contact directly, but this turned out to be a mistake because it was perverted by the entities of Atlantis. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct with one exception. There is only one law. That is the Law of One. Other so-called laws are distortions of this law, some of them primal and most important for progress to be understood. However, it is well that each so-called law, which we also call “way,” be understood as a distortion rather than a law. There is no multiplicity to the Law of One.

What do you think they mean here by: "Going in the direction of the Law of One and living the Law of One"?

By "they", you mean Don? Ra was simply correcting Don about the fundamental nature of "calling". Since all is one, the distortion is advertised to all. I think Don was being too general to correctly postulate a cause-effect relationship, and that's why Ra took exception.

- Specifically, how do you think such a culture would view the concept of "self" and "other"?

Atlantis? At what point? They were around for a very long time and went through many of the same developmental phases we're familiar with in our history. If they were working with indigo, they were highly polarized and probably had some sense of oneness when considering self and other . The cultural overlay (group mind) supports expression of values (morality), interpretation, and is what adds complexity for better or worse. Many things that are not consonant with planetary and social harmony can be justified in a cultural experiment.

[Tenet Nosce]

"When there is no progress those conditions which grant progress are gradually lost"

Devolution?

Because of harmonic resonance? It's possible, but there is actually nothing at all conscious about any subdensity unless and until distilled experience supports the acceptance required for access.

Yes, for a Wanderer having previously attained the given subdensity of their home density.

(But, that's not what I was referring to.)

What were you referring to?

And how does that particular abnormality affect development here?

We "broke quarantine" from the inside by detonating nuclear weapons. To a "negatively polarized" civilization having been affected by this decision, the natural response to this calling would have been to seek control of us "for our own good."

How do you see that from the material?

Thirdly, you are correct in assuming that permission was granted at the time/space in which your first nuclear device was developed and used for Confederation members to minister unto your peoples in such a way as to cause mystery to occur. This is what you mean by advertising and is correct. The mystery and unknown quality of the occurrences we are allowed to offer have the hoped-for intention of making your peoples aware of infinite possibility. When your peoples grasp infinity, then and only then, can the gateway be opened to the Law of One.

Development of nuclear devices was the advertisement... the announcement. Detonation was more like a direct invitation.

But as far as the material, I don't think it says anything one way or another was to how detonation of nuclear weapons in third density might impact populations of other densities.

Atlantis? At what point? They were around for a very long time and went through many of the same developmental phases we're familiar with in our history. If they were working with indigo, they were highly polarized and probably had some sense of oneness when considering self and other . The cultural overlay (group mind) supports expression of values (morality), interpretation, and is what adds complexity for better or worse. Many things that are not consonant with planetary and social harmony can be justified in a cultural experiment.

I'm just wondering, in general, how a 7th subdensity population might contrast to our own. But specifically- with the basic understanding of self/other interaction. I might presume that controlling other-selves (even "for their own good") wouldn't be central theme of societal organization as we have here.

[zenmaster]

What were you referring to?

Incarnations of recent graduates to 4D.

I'm just wondering, in general, how a 7th subdensity population might contrast to our own. But specifically- with the basic understanding of self/other interaction. I might presume that controlling other-selves (even "for their own good") wouldn't be central theme of societal organization as we have here.

7th subdensity has basically learned the lessons of 3D, understand the "cycle", not really effected by group mind, not survival based even in the psychological projective sense, and working directly on "adepthood". 7thSD is also able to recognize these qualities in others, however none of the lower subdensities are yet capable of doing this (because they have not yet individuated sufficiently).

[Patrick]

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I'm just wondering, in general, how a 7th subdensity population might contrast to our own. But specifically- with the basic understanding of self/other interaction. I might presume that controlling other-selves (even "for their own good") wouldn't be central theme of societal organization as we have here.

7th subdensity has basically learned the lessons of 3D, understand the "cycle", not really effected by group mind, not survival based even in the psychological projective sense, and working directly on "adepthood". 7thSD is also able to recognize these qualities in others, however none of the lower subdensities are yet capable of doing this (because they have not yet individuated sufficiently).

That's a really interesting perspective.

[Tenet Nosce]

Incarnations of recent graduates to 4D.

I see. But what about those from later 4D? Wouldn't a Wanderer from 5SD/4D find the local group mind more amenable once 5SD/3D becomes the dominant vibration?

7th subdensity has basically learned the lessons of 3D, understand the "cycle", not really effected by group mind, not survival based even in the psychological projective sense, and working directly on "adepthood". 7thSD is also able to recognize these qualities in others, however none of the lower subdensities are yet capable of doing this (because they have not yet individuated sufficiently).

Interesting! I think I noticed somewhere (not sure where) that you used the term "abiding" in reference to the attitude of 7SD...

[zenmaster]

Incarnations of recent graduates to 4D.

I see. But what about those from later 4D?

? That was my outstanding question?

Wouldn't a Wanderer from 5SD/4D find the local group mind more amenable once 5SD/3D becomes the dominant vibration?

I'd say there little or no significant relationship. You're always going to reach up to higher and reach down to lower here. 4D is a polarizing density. Therefore you'd expect any conditions conducive to polarizing to be amenable.

7th subdensity has basically learned the lessons of 3D, understand the "cycle", not really effected by group mind, not survival based even in the psychological projective sense, and working directly on "adepthood". 7thSD is also able to recognize these qualities in others, however none of the lower subdensities are yet capable of doing this (because they have not yet individuated sufficiently).

Interesting! I think I noticed somewhere (not sure where) that you used the term "abiding" in reference to the attitude of 7SD...

Well my descriptions come from spiral dynamics yellow/turquoise valuing memes which correspond to 7SD (and now higher)

[Tenet Nosce]

That was my outstanding question?

Looks like I may have lost this strand of the thread... to regroup:

"...each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience... (65.12)"

The notion I am attempting to get at is that the Wanderer would be able to access more of the "pre-incarnative talents" as the dominant plane becomes 5SD, assuming the Wanderer had previously attained 5SD of its home density. I would also suppose that 5D Wanderers would have access to a wider array once 5SD/3D becomes dominant.

(and now higher)

Go on...

[zenmaster]

That was my outstanding question?

Looks like I may have lost this strand of the thread... to regroup:

"...each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience... (65.12)"

The notion I am attempting to get at is that the Wanderer would be able to access more of the "pre-incarnative talents" as the dominant plane becomes 5SD, assuming the Wanderer had previously attained 5SD of its home density. I would also suppose that 5D Wanderers would have access to a wider array once 5SD/3D becomes dominant.

My understanding is that more attaining 5SD simply means more opportunity to express "5SD vibratory rates". Because each in that subdensity, in addition to drawing from the vibration as a resource of mind, would be contributing some pioneering aspect of themselves due to their necessary uniqueness.

(and now higher)

Go on...

The spiral of development keeps going, although it is difficult and unlikely to make much progress into the lessons of the next subdensity without having use of (having had use of) the corresponding body/mind complex. Also would seem to be difficult without the pioneering efforts of others in the societal complex as there is less to inform experience. However, my understanding is that when opportunity is lacking in society, yet one is accepting responsibility, the imbalance is stands out and aid is made available in some form.