Love, Wisdom, and Power

[Parsons]

To throw in my 2 cents, I don't distinguish the Higher Self and the Magical Personality.

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I guess we are all thought-forms.

...You are dancing thoughts...

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But, I suppose the question is, are we more than merely thoughts?
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Yes, we are merely thoughts (unique personalities) of the One Infinite Creator.

Yes, we are more than mere thoughts.

I know it sounds like I just contradicted myself, but this contradiction touches on a deep philosophy. It's very similar to "reality is merely an illusion but is real". Its because all physical matter in any universe is in fact an illusion, but it's all real because its all that is. There is no illusion you can say is any more real than another.

[Fastidious Emanations]

I find it is interesting that all this could be discovered without this material.
Our use of linguistics seems to be nearing some boundaries..
Thanks Everyone!

[Ankh]

Ankh funny you posted that I was reading it yesterday..

The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience.

This would result in cessation of the yellow-ray vehicle and/or all the vehicles that spirit compromises up through 6/7D right?

I'm not sure, but currently I'm inclined to think that it indeed can mean a cessation of true color yellow ray vehicle (and experiences in third density), and the entity may choose to leave to the next, 4th, density (the positively polarized choose to stay though, and share/serve instead). But it doesn't mean that one can jump all the way to the next Octave. The reason to why Ra may have chosen to use words "the next octave of experience" then is because it is perhaps an "octave" in the sense of "each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers".

It could also mean, as you have said, that one could, while in true color yellow ray, graduate all the way to the next octave, the real one so to speak. As I said, I'm not sure. But if one thinks about it - really?? Can an entity skip 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th densities alltogether, and just go to the next octave, after only experiencing 1, 2 and 3rd densities? Well, who knows...

Is this the quote you guys are referring to when you say the higher self is a thought form?

37.6 Questioner: In that case, we’ll go ahead with the questions we have here continuing the last session. You said that each third-density entity has an higher self in the sixth density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. Does this higher self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first density, and does each higher self have a corresponding higher self advanced in densities beyond it?

Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.

Not really. I thought that I read somewhere that Ra clearly said that the Higher Self is a 6D thought-form, but I guess that I was wrong as I sure can't read it anywhere right now.

Setting aside the magical personality for a moment, if I may, I'd like to focus on the higher self a bit. I had always understood the higher self to be the late-sixth-density entity itself, not a thought form. I see why you read 37.6 the way you do, but there are other quotes that can, arguably, be read to indicate the reverse -- quotes that talk about the higher self and the entity being two selves that are in fact the same self, about the higher self programming lessons (can a thought form program lessons?), about it calling on the mind/body/spirit totality (can a thought form call on something?) .

Maybe it doesn't really matter -- I'm not sure.

You're right. I thought that I read somewhere that Ra said that the Higher Self was a thought-form as I said, but since I can't find that quote now, and on contrary, I found quotes where Ra said that it is a manifestation, I think that it is not a thought-form at all, but a manifested being of mid/late sixth density.

So, do you think that while in true color yellow ray, one can become (for a limited moment) a sixth density being (if one learns to invoke its Higher Self properly and efficaciously)? Really? A third density entity can become a sixth density entity while still in 3D? Because Ra seems to say that...?

What did you mean by "quotes that talk about the higher self and the entity being two selves that are in fact the same self"? What quotes did you mean?

[Parsons]

Ankh funny you posted that I was reading it yesterday..

The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience.

This would result in cessation of the yellow-ray vehicle and/or all the vehicles that spirit compromises up through 6/7D right?

I'm not sure, but currently I'm inclined to think that it indeed can mean a cessation of true color yellow ray vehicle (and experiences in third density), and the entity may choose to leave to the next, 4th, density (the positively polarized choose to stay though, and share/serve instead). But it doesn't mean that one can jump all the way to the next Octave. The reason to why Ra may have chosen to use words "the next octave of experience" then is because it is perhaps an "octave" in the sense of "each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers".

It could also mean, as you have said, that one could, while in true color yellow ray, graduate all the way to the next octave, the real one so to speak. As I said, I'm not sure. But if one thinks about it - really?? Can an entity skip 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th densities altogether, and just go to the next octave, after only experiencing 1, 2 and 3rd densities? Well, who knows... Confused

Actually, I'm inclined to agree it's possible to exit this octave in such a case. But thats just my opinion.

It makes more sense when you are framing your consciousness' origin outside of the octave experience all together...

[Adonai One]

Ra has made it clear that once an entity has made a full connection to intelligent infinity, the entire universe is their oyster. Harvesting requirements no longer apply to them.

[βαθμιαίος]

So, do you think that while in true color yellow ray, one can become (for a limited moment) a sixth density being (if one learns to invoke its Higher Self properly and efficaciously)? Really? A third density entity can become a sixth density entity while still in 3D? Because Ra seems to say that...?

It does seem to be what they're saying, doesn't it? (!)

What did you mean by "quotes that talk about the higher self and the entity being two selves that are in fact the same self"? What quotes did you mean?

That was just one quote:

36.5 Questioner: Could you give an example of an entity, possibly one from our historical past, possibly any entity that you might choose if you don’t wish to name one, and give an example of how this type of programming by the higher self would then bring about the education through parallel experiences please?

Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the simplest example of this apparent simultaneity of existence of two selves, which are in truth one self at the same time/space, is this: the Oversoul, as you call it, or Higher Self, seems to exist simultaneously with the mind/body/spirit complex which it aids. This is not actually simultaneous, for the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity.

[Fastidious Emanations]

white light?
If the yellow ray entity is a 6D wanderer, let's say a 6D negative which chose to incarnate here to flip polarities; said entity becomes a HIGHLY positively polarized being while in 3D (as yellow ray is the place for such a tipping to occur), said entity attempts the joining of poles and opening to the Infinite One. (as many here seem to ponder, Ra may be preparing for the same type event after harvest here)
I have almost been there in meditation, but the higher self always warns me, 'to enter that door is death'.
There is much work to be done here my friends. Light/Love.

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except that one time...

[AnthroHeart]

Time is simultaneous, so our higher self evolves as we experience. It learns through us. Because it is us.

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white light?
If the yellow ray entity is a 6D wanderer, let's say a 6D negative which chose to incarnate here to flip polarities; said entity becomes a HIGHLY positively polarized being while in 3D (as yellow ray is the place for such a tipping to occur), said entity attempts the joining of poles and opening to the Infinite One. (as many here seem to ponder, Ra may be preparing for the same type event after harvest here)
I have almost been there in meditation, but the higher self always warns me, 'to enter that door is death'.
There is much work to be done here my friends. Light/Love.

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except that one time...

I like what you put here. There are still many Ra wanderers around Earth. Perhaps when our job is done, and we all return to Ra, Ra can then move forward in their progress. But there must not be any left behind. I just hope that every Ra wanderer can graduate back to their home density, if that is what they wish. I certainly do. I would love to be in 6D and open to the Infinite One.

[caycegal]

Communicating with HS is very very easy -- in one direction. So take advantage of that. When I'm low, I will narrate my events and emotions to HS and conclude by saying, "I know that I brought on a lot of this myself, but still I could use a clue or two." I might repeat this next day, but soon I will find clarity. Life still gets bad sometimes, but with this method, I'm much better off. Try it!

Good luck!

I Like your post. It seems to me that HS is always "communicating" back in the sense that it is participating in everything we do, think, feel, etc.

I pray a lot, probably HS is who receives the prayers.

[xise]

I believe some of my green ray activation are messages from my HS. It's possible it's my SMC, but I've almost ruled out my guides.

Either way, when it activates it definitely feels like someone is suggesting to me to take note of a thought or situation. However, it rarely answers questions. It's almost like the silence means I have to figure it out myself or live in faith or both!

[caycegal]

I am not at a stage where I experience a lot of silence. Rather, there seem at times to be thousands of voices swirling around me and I am wanting to tune myself only to the Christ channel constantly transmitting. The focus for me is learning how to stay tuned to that one channel, which may also be the same channel as my HS. Not really sure about all that nor do I think it matters a whole lot how I identify the voice as long as it is the voice that Christ consciousness has allowed to broadcast to me.

The day leading up to Mandela's death I felt the whirlwind around me and finding my preferred channel was my constant wish. I didn't know what was going on. About 5 pm, I started to feel calm and peaceful, and that was about when the first reports of his death started coming out.

My personal experience led me to wonder if Mandela was a soul from a higher state of awareness who incarnated for a specific purpose, and therefore his passing caused a great deal of cosmic turbulence.

[kycahi]

Communicating with HS is very very easy -- in one direction. So take advantage of that. When I'm low, I will narrate my events and emotions to HS and conclude by saying, "I know that I brought on a lot of this myself, but still I could use a clue or two." I might repeat this next day, but soon I will find clarity. Life still gets bad sometimes, but with this method, I'm much better off. Try it!

Good luck!

I Like your post. It seems to me that HS is always "communicating" back in the sense that it is participating in everything we do, think, feel, etc.

I pray a lot, probably HS is who receives the prayers.

Yes, that's my assumption because HS knows me best and can assist me when that would help or leave me to figure things out on my own for the same reason.

[raaz]

I Like your post. It seems to me that HS is always "communicating" back in the sense that it is participating in everything we do, think, feel, etc.
Ankh, the quote you brought up about unfettered treading jumped out at me some years ago when I first read it. Licking my chops, I thought that sounded pretty good.
Add to that that we're three points on the circle, the same being, and it sounds even more attainable. Not mentioned directly, however, is that the number of intermediate steps between here and that experience is not a small one.

[Ankh]

No, it's not, raaz!

[AnthroHeart]

I love Love most of all. I have truly felt it only once. Maybe that makes me a 4D wanderer.

[Rake]

in this passage here, Ra speaks of the magical personality and some of its more important qualities.

they correspond roughly to the upper triad of chakras (green, blue, and indigo), working in a harmonious and balanced fashion (not too much emphasis on one or the other, but rather, like a camera tripod, the legs are in some sort of level seeking, providing a firm footing.)

here is the section, with Don's question:

75.32 Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?

Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.

The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.

the magical personality ('the Higher Self') is an enormous resource upon which we can draw upon, although not everyone sees the necessity to make contact with 'this self' in all incarnations.

we all value the quality and majesty of love/compassion in this incarnation - it is the fundamental lesson of 3rd density. But it is just one aspect of a greater being.

peace

Errrrgh So I actually just found this quote whilst looking into emotion and came to post about it to see it's already been posted. So thanks synchronicitys and Plenum of course.

I had a thought which was interesting so I'll post here.

When we have a strong emotion which is responsive to what ever stimuli brought about the psychological state to induce the emotion. I wondered if what we are experiencing a tiny fraction of our magical personality. I find when I have channeled I have a similar experience to when I have a strong emotion i.e. My eyes will water and I get goosebumps. hair standing on end. If both channeling and emotions are caused by psychological states then could it be we are simply experiencing a greater portion of ourselves?. Interestingly I was listening to some Bashar material earlier in the night and he stated that our brains our set up to RECEIVE and our magical personality is set up to CONCEIVE.

I hope that's not all waffle it's been a long day.

[Fastidious Emanations]

Originally posted by an other Self.

[Fang]

Yes, we are merely thoughts (unique personalities) of the One Infinite Creator.

Yes, we are more than mere thoughts.

I know it sounds like I just contradicted myself, but this contradiction touches on a deep philosophy. It's very similar to "reality is merely an illusion but is real". Its because all physical matter in any universe is in fact an illusion, but it's all real because its all that is. There is no illusion you can say is any more real than another.

An illusion is a misinterpreted perception/experience. An entity will continue to live in illusion all the way to 7th density as while their awareness may expand they will still not perceive the infinite creation as it /truly is. That is to say, there will always be a degree of misconception of the entire universe (illusion/reality) we inhabit while we are individuated/limited beings and filtering our experiences through that limited perception. If the universe is infinite then as long as you can't comprehend infinity you live in illusion, just to lesser degrees as we work on ourselves and interpret reality to more truthful degree. It doesn't mean that it isn't real the illusion (reality/the universe) that we occupy is just something that we experience but don't completely understand, thus the use of the word.

[Adonai One]

Does illusion itself represent a separation from an objective reality? Does such a separation truly exist?

[reeay]

What is objective reality, does objective reality truly exist?

[zenmaster]

What is objective reality, does objective reality truly exist?

For the "realist" apparently.

[isis]

What is objective reality, does objective reality truly exist?

objective reality can be defined as that which does not require our participation for its existence. it's whatever remains true whether you believe in it or not.

Q: Is there such a thing as objective reality?
Objective realists would say that the answer to question Q is: Yes.
while the cultural relativists would say that the answer is: No.

http://www.geek-central.gen.nz/peeves/ob...ality.html

[reeay]

as a radical constructivist i would be in 'no' group. Forgot to add objectivity is the illusion. Reality is constructed.

what means by 'illusion'?

[zenmaster]

what means by 'illusion'?

To start with, anything that can be expressed with words.

[Fang]

Does illusion itself represent a separation from an objective reality? Does such a separation truly exist?

Well, i'm not sure if people were counting on a ontological debate, but please indulge me


The separation exists conceptually, what I was getting at is that we cannot be aware of everything at once and since we live in a universe where all is one there will always be degrees of misconception about personal experiences as we are limited beings, not experiencing (comprehending) the infinity that is happening and affecting us, as everything must affect everything else (to whatever infinitesimally small degree) in a unified reality.

The separation does not exist, yet I perceive myself to experience it. So it does, to me. That would make it a misinterpretation of experience, which is illusion.
But, to substitute the notion of experiencing everything as one rather than actually experiencing that (which is arguably impossible in 3rd density) would also be an illusion. This is because perspective and experience are co dependent things. And building perspectives without the necessary experience is how people become ungrounded.

as a radical constructivist i would be in 'no' group. Forgot to add objectivity is the illusion. Reality is constructed.

This is a good point, however if I may add a couple of things.
I think it's important to note that the perceiver and the perceived contribute to the forging of perspective of experience which is then made accessible to the perceiver. (perceived) Reality is never entirely of the self (subject) or of the non self (the object), it's neither absolute value, ratio of opposites.

Posted by zenmaster - Today 02:30 PM

(Today 01:21 PM)rie Wrote: what means by 'illusion'?

To start with, anything that can be expressed with words.

Damn this guy is good.

[reeay]

Fang - that's why there is intersubjectivity, that is shared.

[Fang]

Fang - that's why there is intersubjectivity, that is shared.

Yeah, in human-human interaction but that's not quite what I'm getting at in full. What I mean is that if two units share an experience they do not both have the same experience, due to it being reliant on the perspective of each perceiver.

If I enjoy the company of a gecko, we both contribute to and share that experience but, we do not have the same experience, due to different perspectives. Lol, weird example.

If i look at a branch of a tree, than I am experiencing that branch and not the full tree in my perception but it's not like the full tree doesn't exist outside of my perception, I'm the only one limiting my perception.
Except outside of my perception the tree may exist, but not as a tree as a "tree" is a concept structure in the collective human mind applied to various physical forms experienced in the human perception. Uh, I'm derailing lol

My original point was that because something is an illusion does not mean that it doesn't exist, lol I'm heading to bed.

oh yeah god damn he is soo good...that must be why every 1 of his posts gets like 20 "likes"... Rolleyes

"To start with, anything that can be expressed with words." what does that mean anyway? is it a confusing way of saying 'all is illusion'?

Well, I would think that the reason many people "like" his posts is that they are consistently insightful, helpful and for the benefit of the community.

[Adonai One]

What is objective reality, does objective reality truly exist?

Does not unity and the Law of One entail a united reality?

[isis]

First of all, the number of "likes" on a post is not important. I would be disappointed if members posted in a manner to get as many "likes" as possible, I enjoy the feature but the number of likes does not always and should not reflect the quality of the post (it shouldn't because we'd just get people parroting popular opinions to get likes and feel validated).

I will say this, many people invent an attacker when someone says something (the truth) that contradicts and exposes their neurotic structures. The attacker is invented to justify the internal problem. There hasn't been an attack, that poster has no malicious intent towards you and it's foolish to entertain such a notion.

Finally, Zenmaster has my upmost respect, he is a very good man. He is as good as I think, he is an invaluable asset to this community and the human race.

i agree. was just trying to help u understand my sarcasm. love/light <3
would love if u could tell me what this means to u:

"To start with, anything that can be expressed with words."

[Parsons]

"To start with, anything that can be expressed with words." what does that mean anyway? is it a confusing way of saying 'all is illusion'?

What I think that means (correct me if I'm misinterpreting) is anything that is entirely outside this illusion, we have no frame of reference for, so it becomes ineffable.