Forgiveness and Polarity

[ScottK]

Food for thought: Desire is suffering. Action is a result of desire.

All creation is a result of desire and action. Is creation also suffering?

Isn't all creation part of the One? Isn't suffering all part of the one? Do you accept suffering? Do you accept creation?

Were you suffering writing this post? You had a desire to write it which caused action, which led to suffering.

[AnthroHeart]

I think we have different semantics for suffering. I think suffering as being in a condition that you do not desire. I don't equate desire with suffering.

[Phoenix]

This retraction of my last statement, THIS was the problem.

[BlatzAdict]

Sometimes this is the hardest thing to do and its easier to just stop talking to that person instead. At least as my vibration rises i can rise and repeat the same situation with someone a little nicer tho i stumble i try and sometimes i need to love and forgive myself too

For unfriending them as a result of anothers actions. Tho what does that make me my ego wants to ask. I have to remind myself i am nothing but because i am nothing i am something.


This whole concept is difficult

[Phoenix]

I could be working on something recent or something as long as eight years ago. I think I am working on the latter.

In answer to the question, when we haven't forgiven we are subjected to painful feelings of one sort or another. When we properly forgive and ACT OUT OF THAT, we are set free. So it becomes a question of when you want the pain to end.

Recently I became a 'bona fide wanderer'. Should throw a party or something.

[Adonai One]

Food for thought: Desire is suffering. Action is a result of desire.

All creation is a result of desire and action. Is creation also suffering?

Isn't all creation part of the One? Isn't suffering all part of the one? Do you accept suffering? Do you accept creation?

Were you suffering writing this post? You had a desire to write it which caused action, which led to suffering.

There was some unawareness of possibilities that enable these possibilities to occur.

In the end, even these negations of possibilities are one with the creation.

I just warn that the will is a dangerous tool.

[ScottK]

I just warn that the will is a dangerous tool.

So is the shower when you wake up in the morning. You could slip and fall when you get into it and hit your head badly.

Do you take showers?

I do. I take the risk.

By your spiritual dialect, define "danger" please.

[xise]

If someone beat you up, and it took you a month to forgive them, would you be gaining less polarity than if you forgave them right away?

Of if someone killed your dog, about forgiving them. I have a friend who would never forgive this action. While thoughts about this don't seem to bother me.

How close does forgiveness tie in with polarity?
If you never forgive, do you lose positive polarity?

Gain in polarity or a loss in polairty - polarization or depolarization - results from a change in how you incorporate love into your belief system and beingness. These are always somewhat complex questions because polarity ultimately turns on your beliefs about love/vibration, and less on your actions. (Though certainly actions can be a vague reflection of one's inner beliefs about love/vibration and can solidify one's understanding and beliefs on ideas about love - practicing concepts to help solidify them akin to homework).

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Using a simpler example than in the OP - a situation arises where one may forgive. Here, there are several possible sub-scenarios responses:

1) You do not forgive. The catalyst of the situation did not cause you to change your beliefs in one way or another, and your lack of forgiveness was caused by your beliefs that existed before the event and did not change during the event. There is no change in polarization here.

2) You do not forgive. However, in your desire to forgive, you seek and gain more understanding about forgiveness, and learn more about acceptance and forgiveness in the process. Though in the end you did not forgive the current situation, the catalytic situation brought you closer to eventual forgiveness, perhaps in the future, and changed your beliefs on acceptance and forgiveness at least partially. You may not even consciously realize this as you worry about not being able to forgive. Still, there is a slight gain in positive polarity as you came closer to incorporating beliefs about love and forgiveness even if it did not result in actual forgiveness in this case.

3) You do not forgive, and get more bitter and believe less in love due to the catalyst of the situation. You lose positive polarity (depolarize).

4) You forgive. The catalyst of the situation did not cause you to change your beliefs in one way or another, and your forgiveness was caused by your beliefs that existed before the event and did not change during the event. There is no change in polarization here.

5) You forgive, and catalyzed by the situation, you learn more about forgiveness in the process. You gain in positive polarization.

6) You forgive, but during the process you gain distortions as your patience concerning similar situations wears thin and you gain in bitterness, perhaps without even realizing it. (Perhaps you could call this incomplete or not full forgiveness -but forgetting semantics for a second and returning to how this situation does occur in real life). You slightly depolarize, as you actually believe less about love and forgiveness and have less patience for this lovey-dovey stuff, a change catalyzed by the situation. The change results in a slight loss of positive polarity, or depolarization.


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At the end of the day, actions, however important, are secondary to how catalyst affects your understanding and your view of universal love. (Btw, I have personally experienced all of the above scenarios.)

[ricdaw]

If you never forgive, do you lose positive polarity?

Depends. Do you accept the fact that you are not yet ready to forgive? Acceptance is another primary tool in the polarization tool box. If you do not forgive, but you also accept (aka forgive yourself for not forgiving the other person), then you neutralize that catalyst.

So whatever thing the other done to you, that catalyst, can be neutralized by forgiveness. It can be neutralized (lose its learn/teaching lesson/opportunity for you) by accepting that you can't (are unready or unwilling) to use the lesson (yet). It can be neutralized by being "processed by the body" which is what will happen if you neither forgive nor accept. The energy of the catalyst has to go somewhere, so your body will process it internally. Hold enough of these catalytic energies and disease will manifest in the body.

Polarity and forgiveness are not directly tied to each other. Sometimes greatest polarity can be achieved only by NOT forgiving (your child is killed by a drunk driver, you found MADD, criss-cross the nation against drunk drivers and save a lot of lives). It's how you use catalyst, preferably consciously that causes polarization.

Forgiveness is one response to catalyst, but even the most powerful and sincere forgiveness may do little to polarize in and of itself if that action doesn't actually generate compassion, do somebody some good, or "move the needle" anywhere. Other than to diffuse catalyst, what benefit is this forgiveness: "I got too weary to hate him anymore so I just gave up and forgave him. I didn't even tell him about it."?

The act of forgiveness is not a polarizing end, in and of itself. Unless that act causes STO action, or STO compassion, or self-illumination which leads to later STO action/compassion.

My practical advice is not to forgive, but to find the love in the situation. That's where the rubber meets the road. Forgiveness may be that place, but jumping directly to forgiveness may not actually be the lesson/learning that you are being presented with. If you always jump to forgiveness, the true lesson of the catalyst may be lost.....

[Phoenix]

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[Patrick]

Forgiveness is timeless. When you forgive, you change the past, the present and the future.

[AnthroHeart]

Forgiveness is timeless. When you forgive, you change the past, the present and the future.

I find it hard to forgive 100%, because there are still some unconscious reservations. I might think I forgive them, but later an issue will come back to where you have to forgive again. I don't know how to make a forgiveness truly timeless.

[Patrick]

Forgiveness is timeless. When you forgive, you change the past, the present and the future.

I find it hard to forgive 100%, because there are still some unconscious reservations. I might think I forgive them, but later an issue will come back to where you have to forgive again. I don't know how to make a forgiveness truly timeless.

IMHO, the intent to forgive, if it is truly genuine, is all it takes.


"...later an issue will come back to where you have to forgive again..."

Oh yes, that's perfectly normal and to be expected.

Ain't experience fun !

[Stranger]

Does one "accept" a punch in the face?

I don't. I return the punch and later forgive the person after a period of grumbling. That way, they have karma returned to them appropriately and I right myself with the oneness of the creation again.

If one prefers to be a punching bag and accept all things, I respect your decision though I may walk away shaking my head for a minute or so..

My understanding of karma is that if you punch me in the face, that's your karma and my catalyst. If I then return the punch, that's my karma.

We cannot neutralize karma by returning harm for harm. When we do that, Buddists would say we "spin the wheel of karma", i.e., build and perpetuate it.

Do it long enough on a social scale, and you get Middle East and a blind world (an eye for an eye). This wisdom is shared by most of the world's spiritual traditions.