6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?

[Spaced]

You underestimate the law of confusion.

You don't need to be negatively polarized to engage in warfare and conquest, you simply need a belief system which legitimizes the use of violence as a means to an end seen as positive. This belief system would not necessarily be a service-to-self one, it could simply be a confused one.

Let's look at the only mention of Mohammad in the Law of One books (which comes on the tail end of Ra's discussion of Akhenaten's attempt to reintroduce religion based on the Law of One in session 2 query 2):

"However, this entity’s [talking about Akhenaten here] beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammad delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships."

So while Akhenaten's religious reforms were ineffective in the long term, Ra says it was Mohammad who was able to "deliver the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships." This doesn't sound like the actions of a service-to-self individual to me.

[darklight]

You underestimate the law of confusion.

You don't need to be negatively polarized to engage in warfare and conquest, you simply need a belief system which legitimizes the use of violence as a means to an end seen as positive. This belief system would not necessarily be a service-to-self one, it could simply be a confused one.

Let's look at the only mention of Mohammad in the Law of One books (which comes on the tail end of Ra's discussion of Akhenaten's attempt to reintroduce religion based on the Law of One in session 2 query 2):

"However, this entity’s [talking about Akhenaten here] beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammad delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships."

So while Akhenaten's religious reforms were ineffective in the long term, Ra says it was Mohammad who was able to "deliver the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships." This doesn't sound like the actions of a service-to-self individual to me.

I remember this quote:

a: I am Ra. This was an intensive, shall we say, battleground between positively oriented forces of Confederation origin and negatively oriented sources. The one called Moishe was open to impression and received the Law of One in its most simple form. However, the information became negatively oriented due to his people’s pressure to do specific physical things in the third-density planes. This left the entity open for the type of information and philosophy of a self-service nature.

I believe it was not an easy time for Muhammad because of his people, just like Moses.

[darklight]

You underestimate the law of confusion.

You don't need to be negatively polarized to engage in warfare and conquest, you simply need a belief system which legitimizes the use of violence as a means to an end seen as positive.

Jesus would never agreed with that.

I can alsmost hear the Orion Group: eliminate Jesus ASAP. He was a high priority target.

[Spaced]

You're right Jesus would probably not hold a belief system that justified warfare, but Jesus is hardly the only example of a positively polarized entity in the Law of One books.

Consider General Patton:

"This entity polarized somewhat towards the positive in its incarnation due to its singleness of belief in truth and beauty. This entity was quite sensitive. It felt a great honor/duty to the preservation of that which was felt by the entity to be true, beautiful, and in need of defense. This entity perceived itself as a gallant figure. It polarized somewhat towards the negative in its lack of understanding the green ray it carried with it, rejecting the forgiveness principle which is implicit in universal love.

The sum total of this incarnation vibrationally was a slight increase in positive polarity but a decrease in harvestability due to the rejection of the Law or Way of Responsibility; that is, seeing universal love, yet still it fought on."

Here we have a career warrior who was nonetheless considered by Ra to be positively polarized and to have increased in positive polarization (though decreased in harvestablity) during a life which hinged on warfare.

Historically Mohammed was originally against the use of warfare to spread Islam, but after struggling against the persecution of Muslims by the Pagan peoples of the Arabian Peninsula, he allowed himself to be convinced by his followers that they should reclaim their homes in Mecca, from which they had been exiled for their beliefs.

Here's the quote from the Qu'Ran:

"Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged -truly Allah has the power to come to their support- those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, 'Our Lord is Allah'..." (Quran, 22:39-40)"

That is the entirety of his military career, all other military campaigns to spread Islam occurred after his death.

You are correct, that quote about Moses could easily apply to Mohammad as well, they were put in similar positions. Do you consider Moses to have been Service-to-self oriented?

[darklight]

Do you consider Moses to have been Service-to-self oriented?

According Ra Moses was positive of nature.

I realize that both Muhammad and Moses were used by their people to do negative actions. Jesus was rejected by his people because he was immune for all negative thoughts, words and actions.

[darklight]

People, in every country, in every society, in every religion, are dangerous. That's why Ra said that most people will repeat the third density.

[Unbound]

Danger is relative to expectation.

[darklight]

I'm pretty sure Muhammad and Moses were forced to make compromises. In this game, as a messenger of God, you have to play the game according to the rules of the peoples with mixed polarities.

[manniz]

zenmaster

I wonder sometimes (and perhaps Zen and Unity can empathize with me on this) why I'm so inclined to rational analysis of everything and having so little emotion, its very hard for me to feel compassion for someone in front of me, but easier to feel compassion for an idea (e.g. a genocide or famine) or an animal. These are traits which serve STS better. I wonder if I was of a negative path in previous incarnations.

I think it's fairly easy to see where your own service-orientation bias is, within this incarnation.
As Ra said, "Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

We now speak of that genie, or elemental, or mythic figure, culturally determined, which sends the arrow to the left-hand transformation. This arrow is not the arrow which kills but rather that which, in its own way, protects. Those who choose separation, that being the quality most indicative of the left-hand path, are protected from other-selves by a strength and sharpness equivalent to the degree of transformation which the mind has experienced in the negative sense. Those upon the right-hand path have no such protection against other-selves for upon that path the doughty seeker shall find many mirrors for reflection in each other-self it encounters."

The analytical mind is a indeed one that works through a process of separating. But it's not necessarily separation of self, from self. Or of separation of self from other self. Being rational is not intrinsically dominating or controlling, even though it may seem that way due to the manner in which one works with the illusion to create further abstractions which are necessarily circumstantial and exclusionary to a 'whole' or the 100% complementary feeling point of view.

It's sort of a fool-proof system in that what can be made viable, from the logos, is necessarily part of ourselves either currently or potentionally. We are here to learn and share what we know and any honest depiction of what one knows is going to be useful.

[manniz]

I wonder sometimes (and perhaps Zen and Unity can empathize with me on this) why I'm so inclined to rational analysis of everything and having so little emotion, its very hard for me to feel compassion for someone in front of me, but easier to feel compassion for an idea (e.g. a genocide or famine) or an animal. These are traits which serve STS better. I wonder if I was of a negative path in previous incarnations.

the problem with this nexus is, the society of 3d entities which were supposed to be in 3d, are actually not only vibrating in 2d patterns of orange, but also having a complex distortions system in 2d terms. everything in the society, even the higher principles of higher densities manifesting in this density, are debased and tied to manifestations and concerns of self of 2d. the higher-tier concepts, principles, technologies the wanderers and confederation efforts introduced to this environment, led to creation of a complex distortion system.

this creates a major problem. 2d consciousness is sticky. it is stubborn. it is obsessive. conditioned, reflexive. repetitive. habitual. possessive. unaware of the outside world. it creates an environment in which entities behave like a school of fish.

endless varieties and measures of strongly accepted/rejected emotions and thought forms fly in this space, and the societal mind pulls itself and as a result its members this and that way through these. especially higher energies get pulled like a small child would and get used up/wasted inefficiently.

this affects any entity, naturally any entity raising its vibrations too. any of them will get affected by the push and pulls of the society, its thought forms flying here and there.

it makes any kind of emotion that is not in line with what the school of fish or its local sections feeling at that time, much much harder, due to orange ray properties. if you just accept the movements of the school, this time you are flung here, and there, or stubbornly held in a certain place for extended durations.

two ways out are either being rational, and acting rationally despite the emotional spasms of the school, or, get out of the school. the first part would dull you a bit, the second part would be rather hard due to needing to be in the school to sustain your life, or your amenities. (for the latter, internet may be a good example). not to mention that the school doesnt like those who like to break away from it, or, act against its own fluctuations.

looking back at history of the seekers that were of note in spiritual field, a lot of them in the past on this planet generally chose the latter.

[manniz]

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looking back at history of the seekers that were of note in spiritual field, a lot of them in the past on this planet generally chose the latter.

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[Plenum]

you've got some good points there Manniz, but the formatting is making things a little difficult to follow.

It's a consequence of the default editor that is in place throughout the forums for replies.  It defaults to WYSIWYG, rather than the HTML format of before, where you could see all the editing tags.

If you go to the reply window, in the row just above the editing window, the last icon allows you to switch between the default editing and the old style html editing which is much easier to edit.

[Bluebell]

i really enjoy the quote bubbles