David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest

[Oceania]

i think the point of being a celebrity is to be a teacher. and to many it would cause an ego problem. i would not want that monkey on my back. also, Ra said, although i disagree with this, that the harvest would be rather small in their projection... so yanno, most people don't give a rats tooshie about this stuff

[Tenet Nosce]

I hate to point this out, but from my standpoint, your understanding/'misrepresentation' of the Ra Material has a similar distortion level as DW's(although the distortions are clearly different). So from my perspective, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

The most striking similarity is making a negative prophecy that didn't come to pass.

This is where I would take issue with the "pot calling the kettle black" countercriticism you offered. Not butthurt over it, just saying it has limited explanatory power.

Also, do you really "hate" pointing that out? And if so, why did you do it?

[reeay]

Rie, no i don't. i think he's been too busy. but who knows. he might have more time now.

Tell him to join discussion here

[Oceania]

Well I guess it would be highly relevant! But then comparing the two is irrelevant to a case for reincarnation. They could progress in any order.

The South Node is the pattern of one's past life... DW's past life/South Node is in the sign of Cancer. But I dont think that means DW was Cancer in his past life, but the energy feels Cancerian. This is a consistant energy with EC's Sun in Pisces, but not the same at all. I'm not sure that in itself, the nodes of the moon show present/past life possibility.

Actually, now that I think about it- wouldn't it actually be more unusual to take two consecutive incarnations in the same sun sign?

Why not? This would be rather difficult to research unless past life birthdate were available... I still think the South Node (opposite of North Node) is the point to look at for past life.

Also, in beginning with the written interpretation I see this:

First of all, what leaps out at the astrologer is the fact that all five personal planets are in the same signs in both charts.

Um...? No, this does not leap out at all. This person is actually an astrologer?

The chances of two people having the sun within 5 degrees of each other is (if I'm not mistaken) 1 in 32.

The chances of two people having the moon within 1 degree of each other is roughly 1 in 28.

Therefore the chances of these both occurring together is 1 in 896. Hardly a, "remarkable sameness...beyond all chance or 'coincidence'."

I am not the mathematician I would like to be

ROFL! Yeah, no s***!

lol good points.

This reading was based on the assumption that indeed DW was incarnated as EC... and astrologer is doing synastry (relationship reading) to highlight DW's relationship to EC. Do you see the problem? This is not a reading to verify DW's incarnation as EC but to highlight their relationship to each other based on belief that DW was EC in past life.

Moon conjunct moon tells me nothing but that they probably understand each other emotionally. But that's not significant, as you say, it's 1 in 28.

I use 0-3 degree orbs. If the 4 planets were conjunct within 3 degrees and had similar aspects I'd say it's remarkably similar but nothing to do with 'past life' and 'current life.' This just seems like he's building up a case that he IS EC... why try so hard to establish self as EC?

I'm not attacking DW By the way. I'm wondering why he keeps throwing things like this to the public, when most people do not really understand astrology and cannot critically examine whatever he's claiming?

his guides told him to go to the ARE and to write the book about Edgar Cayce. he did not want to be Edgar Cayce, he said it was like thinking you're unique and then one day you learn you're someone well known and it wasn't fun for him. but it did get him attention, i think it was a stepping stone so he could do what he does.

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Rie, no i don't. i think he's been too busy. but who knows. he might have more time now.

Tell him to join discussion here

i'll just call him up.

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did someone mention negative prophecies? are you talking about the ones Cayce made? that was Halaliel the entity that entered his channel when Cayce was mad at people demanding his time. he was overworked and he became bitter, and it made his channel vulnerable.

[Tenet Nosce]

The South Node is the pattern of one's past life... DW's past life/South Node is in the sign of Cancer. But I dont think that means DW was Cancer in his past life, but the energy feels Cancerian. This is a consistant energy with EC's Sun in Pisces, but not the same at all. I'm not sure that in itself, the nodes of the moon show present/past life possibility.

Aren't the Nodes always opposite each other?

Why not? This would be rather difficult to research unless past life birthdate were available... I still think the South Node (opposite of North Node) is the point to look at for past life.

I mean... it's certainly possible! I was just thinking the overall idea would be to get a diversity of experience... not have the same experience over and over again.

Do you see the problem?

Yes, it's called confirmation bias. But more than that it is also fraudulent behavior. Since the author is presenting themselves as an "authority" on astrology, and giving their "professional opinion" on a subject which is seemingly important to many people.

Yet you and I, and I'm sure anybody else who has read a basic text on astrology, can see that this author doesn't really know what they are talking about.

why try so hard to establish self as EC?

To add "credibility" to one's false prognosticative ability.

I'm wondering why he keeps throwing things like this to the public, when most people do not really understand astrology and cannot critically examine whatever he's claiming?

Yes- and I also wonder if this hasn't contributed largely to his vulnerability to being attacked.

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Both David Wilcocks 'insiders' and the Ra material agree on the point that when you reach 4th density, that you can't gain polarity anymore.

*bows out with a puff of smoke by his own proven logical illogically logically logical logic.*

Oh right, that one.

I think the view actually supported by the material is that polarization is not as intense, and takes a back seat to other things, in the higher densities.

Questioner: The specific question that I had was that it seems to me that the choice was planned to create intense polarization past third density so that experience would be intense past third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that our interpretation of your sound vibration complexes is appropriate, this is incorrect. The intensity of fourth density is that of the refining of the rough-hewn sculpture. This is, indeed, in its own way, quite intense causing the mind/body/spirit complex to move ever inward and onward in its quest for fuller expression. However, in third density the statue is forged in the fire. This is a type of intensity which is not the property of fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh densities.

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that was Halaliel the entity that entered his channel when Cayce was mad at people demanding his time. he was overworked and he became bitter, and it made his channel vulnerable.

That's an interesting explanation! I wonder whatever became of that entity after Cayce croaked...

[Oceania]

well obviously Halaliel was his own being, not dependent on Cayce. just as many people can channel Bashar or Ra.

btw who said you can't evolve in 4D? you can it's just slower.

[hogey11]

I was previously just speculating as to what may have attracted that level of "hatred and vitriol" into his experience. Put it this way- I think if he would have stayed truer to the material he wouldn't have attracted so many nutjob followers. But that's just my opinion; I've only spoken to the dude twice so I don't actually know him or what is going on in his mind.

My problem with the 'hatred and vitriol' is that it is always directed at a past version of himself. People still blaming him for things that happened years ago (like a post made in 2006). I don't agree with this type of judgement; I think we should all be judged in the here and now and by what we've come through. Mistakes are not a bad thing in life; we all participate in them. It's separating the wheat from the chaff in the case of those mistakes that is important. There is still much to learn from our mis-steps, and I think David has shown both honesty and growth in his journey. There have been some moments better than others, but c'est la vie!

[Tenet Nosce]

well obviously Halaliel was his own being, not dependent on Cayce. just as many people can channel Bashar or Ra.

I suppose an entity like that might take special interest in anybody claiming to be the reincarnation of Cayce, whether they actually are or not.

[Cyan]

Anytime I hear Davids last name, I cant help but think.

David Wilcock

Goliath Wontcock.

that is all.

[reeay]

I don't see 'hatred or vitriol' for DW at all. Could you give me specific examples of this happening in this forum?

[Tenet Nosce]

My problem with the 'hatred and vitriol' is that it is always directed at a past version of himself.

In any case, people slinging s*** are usually aiming at their own denied shadows and repressed feelings. But these "know not what they do." The question is: What makes some of us more of a magnet for s*** slingers?

People still blaming him for things that happened years ago (like a post made in 2006). I don't agree with this type of judgement; I think we should all be judged in the here and now and by what we've come through.

I'm not sure what he is supposedly being "blamed" for, but for those of us who have stepped into the spotlight, what is said in public tends to stay in the public eye. It would kind of be like trying to run a political campaign and not expect to be held accountable for something one said five years ago which is contrary to what is being said today.

Everybody has the right to make "mistakes" and change their mind. The question is: How does one handle themselves in the process? And also, how many other-selves were misled along the way... this is where "karma" starts to figure into the equation.

Mistakes are not a bad thing in life; we all participate in them. It's separating the wheat from the chaff in the case of those mistakes that is important.

Often times, what separates the "wheat from the chaff" is having admitted to a seeming mistake and sharing what one learned.

Ironically- this is exactly what the "Illuminati" should do so we all can move forward.

I think David has shown both honesty and growth in his journey.

Agreed.

There have been some moments better than others, but c'est la vie!

Balancing one's consciousness is rarely graceful!

[Oceania]

well obviously Halaliel was his own being, not dependent on Cayce. just as many people can channel Bashar or Ra.

I suppose an entity like that might take special interest in anybody claiming to be the reincarnation of Cayce, whether they actually are or not.

i doubt it's interested in David. Cayce was the one who was tricked by Halaliel. it was just a random astral entity, there are loads dude.

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I don't see 'hatred or vitriol' for DW at all. Could you give me specific examples of this happening in this forum?

i agree with the vitriol thing. there's been some threads that i thought were very much like that. one i started that descended into DW bashing. it happens all the time.

[reeay]

Aren't the Nodes always opposite each other?

Yes. NN is current life purpose and SN is past life or childhood issues. By working with NN/SN (always opposite signs) you work thru the polarity of the signs. Pisces-Virgo, Cancer-Capricorn etc.

Yes, it's called confirmation bias. But more than that it is also fraudulent behavior. Since the author is presenting themselves as an "authority" on astrology, and giving their "professional opinion" on a subject which is seemingly important to many people.

I was thinking this astrologer believed the past life claim. I think an horary astrologer could better understand whether DW was EC's past life. Would it really matter who you were in your past life? I mean, if you were Louis Vuitton in past life, does that make you eligible for discounts on LV bags? Freebies? lol

Yes- and I also wonder if this hasn't contributed largely to his vulnerability to being attacked.

DW's NN is in Capricorn and SN is Cancer. The ruler of Capricorn is Saturn. His Saturn in quincunx (a bit disharmonious relationship) to NN. So it's clear that authority issue is paramount. Authority means being able to stand 'alone' (more Capricorn) and move away from wanting to please others (more Cancerian). His lesson is also about integrity. He is to learn about having mental and emotional discipline. Isn't this consistent with the critiques people made about his work?

[zenmaster]

Of course the "explanation" given is always that the act of making the prediction impacted the group mind to such a profound degree that it actually altered the course of history so as to invalidate the prophecy. Kind of a circular reasoning there.

provides a sense of need, validation, and effectiveness. History itself will be modified in order to accomodate the light-bringer/incipient transcendence narrative. Time laterals, light working groups 'birthing' the planet, alleviating plantary stress, exposing the negative elite, multiple timelines, etc. The intuitive imagination of these individuals and groups combined with ad hoc, fanciful, hope and bias, unsurprisingly must make reinterpretation of events an unapologetic, active and central part of the general belief system. That confused circularity (self referential ideologies) is the spiral which does not move upward, and thus can not evolve unless eventually transformed through resolution of the dualities inherent in the projected allegorical dramas. When apprehensions are shared and plausibility is remotely sufficient, then opportunity is created for fabfrication. The vehicle for identification will be boarded by the hitchhikers for an entertaining ride. People yearn for the storyteller to 'learn for them', to make sense of their detached, videogame like world.

[Tenet Nosce]

Would it really matter who you were in your past life? I mean, if you were Louis Vuitton in past life, does that make you eligible for discounts on LV bags? Freebies? lol

LOL- Are you referring to my previous comment about LV? Now if I were previously LV that would truly be an astounding revelation!

No... what I was referring to is that the flagship Louis Vuitton store now occupies a building I may have previously inhabited.

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Of course the "explanation" given is always that the act of making the prediction impacted the group mind to such a profound degree that it actually altered the course of history so as to invalidate the prophecy. Kind of a circular reasoning there.

provides a sense of need, validation, and effectiveness. History itself will be modified in order to accomodate the light-bringer/incipient transcendence narrative. Time laterals, light working groups 'birthing' the planet, alleviating plantary stress, exposing the negative elite, multiple timelines, etc. The intuitive imagination of these individuals and groups combined with ad hoc, fanciful, hope and bias, unsurprisingly must make reinterpretation of events an unapologetic, active and central part of the general belief system. That confused circularity (self referential ideologies) is the spiral which does not move upward, and thus can not evolve unless eventually transformed through resolution of the dualities inherent in the projected allegorical dramas. When apprehensions are shared and plausibility is remotely sufficient, then opportunity is created for fabfrication. The vehicle for identification will be boarded by the hitchhikers for an entertaining ride. People yearn for the storyteller to 'learn for them', to make sense of their detached, videogame like world.

In this particular case, we have a publicly made "end-time" prophecy which is sort of flimsily supported by the "reincarnation of EC" angle. Then we have a repeated public announcement about how "impeccable" the guidance system is- ostensibly because refraining from drugs and alcohol is what makes the guidance impeccable.

Then, when the information/prophecy from said "impeccable guidance" turns out to be false, there is a sidestep of the inevitable backlash by alluding to being under psychic attack by negative entities, further ego inflation, and claims of victimization.

[Oceania]

Aren't the Nodes always opposite each other?

Yes. NN is current life purpose and SN is past life or childhood issues. By working with NN/SN (always opposite signs) you work thru the polarity of the signs. Pisces-Virgo, Cancer-Capricorn etc.

Yes, it's called confirmation bias. But more than that it is also fraudulent behavior. Since the author is presenting themselves as an "authority" on astrology, and giving their "professional opinion" on a subject which is seemingly important to many people.

I was thinking this astrologer believed the past life claim. I think an horary astrologer could better understand whether DW was EC's past life. Would it really matter who you were in your past life? I mean, if you were Louis Vuitton in past life, does that make you eligible for discounts on LV bags? Freebies? lol

Yes- and I also wonder if this hasn't contributed largely to his vulnerability to being attacked.

DW's NN is in Capricorn and SN is Cancer. The ruler of Capricorn is Saturn. His Saturn in quincunx (a bit disharmonious relationship) to NN. So it's clear that authority issue is paramount. Authority means being able to stand 'alone' (more Capricorn) and move away from wanting to please others (more Cancerian). His lesson is also about integrity. He is to learn about having mental and emotional discipline. Isn't this consistent with the critiques people made about his work?

if Louis Vouitton came back and could design handbags just as well, i think he wouldn't need a discount but it might help him get back "on top" to be recognised as his reincarnation. i think the only reason David was made to play the Edgar card was so that he would get noticed. he did do readings for people similarly so it's not like he's riding on an empty horse. he has the abilities to be Edgar's successor.

[Tenet Nosce]

i think the only reason David was made to play the Edgar card was so that he would get noticed.

By "was made to play" do you mean manipulated?

he did do readings for people similarly so it's not like he's riding on an empty horse.

I have had two readings done by him. I think he has some talent, and is worth at least what he charged. But I wouldn't call them by any means prophetic.

[Oceania]

no i don't mean manipulated, Tenet. his guides, the aliens, higher self, basically threatened to cut off his psychic abilities if he did not do it. haven't you read Wanderer Awakening.

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Edgar Cayce besides being prophetic was mainly a medical reader. he could offer cures. he could help people. i think that was Cayce's primary job. and David has a different mission, which is to compile, teach and pave the way.

[Tenet Nosce]

his guides, the aliens, higher self, basically threatened to cut off his psychic abilities if he did not do it.

Interesting that his guides would make threats.

[Oceania]

they're his guides, they get to. your higher self is not just anybody. it's your higher self, it can kick your ass if it wants to. David's plan included doing what the guides wanted him to do.

[Tenet Nosce]

Yes. NN is current life purpose and SN is past life or childhood issues. By working with NN/SN (always opposite signs) you work thru the polarity of the signs. Pisces-Virgo, Cancer-Capricorn etc.

My NN is in Libra and SN in Aries. What does that signify?

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they're his guides, they get to. your higher self is not just anybody. it's your higher self, it can kick your ass if it wants to. David's plan included doing what the guides wanted him to do.

Well apparently his Higher Self recently gave him a thorough ass-whooping for getting so caught up in the "exposing the Illuminati" drama. So if those were the same ones who guided him to do it, no wonder there is so much confusion.

With guides like that, who needs enemies?

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Then, when the information/prophecy from said "impeccable guidance" turns out to be false, there is a sidestep of the inevitable backlash by alluding to being under psychic attack by negative entities, further ego inflation, and claims of victimization.

I forgot to add... after all the aforementioned hullabaloo there was a re-branding of ascension2000.com as divinecosmos.com... essentially a cover-up of sorts as all the previous postings become "archived." Interesting dynamic for one who spends so much energy "revealing" cover-ups and conspiracies.

Then the false prophecies continued for more than another decade. So it's not like he said, "Whoops, my bad! Let's not do THAT again!"

[Oceania]

how do i find out my nn and sn

[Tenet Nosce]

how do i find out my nn and sn

Just plug your info into an astrology program. I have a freeware one called Astrolog.

http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog.htm

[Oceania]

uhh thanks but i dunno how to use that lol.

i found some chart online and it didn't make sense. why do they make these hard?

[reeay]

Yes. NN is current life purpose and SN is past life or childhood issues. By working with NN/SN (always opposite signs) you work thru the polarity of the signs. Pisces-Virgo, Cancer-Capricorn etc.

My NN is in Libra and SN in Aries. What does that signify?

Aries is ruled by Mars... The spiritual warrior. The general, leader, Emperor. Kind of fits your story about the King past life?

Libra is rules by Venus, more Athena. The diplomat, sees multiple points of view, Balance.

Your SN is the spiritual warrior. Now you're here to rest and enjoy the beauty around you. To perhaps understand/appreciate the multiple perspectives of others, and let go of need to use ego. Live in harmony, inner and outer. Balance.

Resonate?

Any planets aspecting NN or SN is also important.

[Ashim]

Enjoy some wonderful music.
Elton John - Daniel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDC7OP5LAlc

"Daniel you're a star"

[Oceania]

what aspecting mean?

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how do i know what planets are aspecting the nodes?

[reeay]

Aspecting means that a planet/node has a relationship with another planet (trine, conjunction, opposition, square, and I look at quincunx altho people usually prefer 'sextiles'). You can see it if you go to any astrology sites like astrodienst (www.astro.com).

[Oceania]

merci.

[Cyan]

they're his guides, they get to. your higher self is not just anybody. it's your higher self, it can kick your ass if it wants to. David's plan included doing what the guides wanted him to do.

See thats funny, I've had a dialogue about this and the thing is that its not technically allowed for them to do so but it is allowed kind of to slap you if you are falling into a coma.

What happens is kind of a karmic thing that the "kick your ass" only happens as long as you maintain the desire to advance in that direction. remove desire and you remove the kicks but for a path that requires you are kicked they are able to do so. (And then, only if it is to stop you from being hurt (fail in your quest would hurt more))