The mysterious nature of time

[Confused]

At Home With Sheena Iyengar: An Expert on Choice Chooses; NYtimes

[Confused]

Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

Source: The Matrix (1999); http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/quotes

77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.

[Ruth]

Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

Source: The Matrix (1999); http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/quotes

77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.

Wow, I just came over here from the gun laws thread. While I can certainly imagine always choosing love and peace, I honestly can't imagine not having a choice.

[Confused]

...I honestly can't imagine not having a choice.

That is the catch, I think. It appears that everything has a price.

With the freedom of choice (as instilled by the logoi), comes attached the elements of uncertainty and responsibility, in my opinion.

[Confused]

Draggin’ the Past Around

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Harry Potter, Rocky Balboa, You and Me: Is Your Life a Redemption Myth?

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Essential Secrets of Psychotherapy : What's Your Psychological Type?

[Confused]

Human romantic love -- so beautiful in all its mischievous innocence and sense of fulfilling attraction; but yet, the source of vulnerability and pain, simultaneously! This song is more and less for my pleasure, as it is not Western/English.

[Confused]

The Psychology of Suffering: How We Cope With Cosmic Evil

[Confused]

84.4 Questioner: The instrument asked the following question: Ra has implied that the instrument is on the path of martyrdom, but since we all die are we not all martyred to something, and when, if ever, does martyrdom partake of wisdom?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a thoughtful query. Let us use as exemplar the one known as Jehoshua. This entity incarnated with the plan of martyrdom. There is no wisdom in this plan but rather understanding and compassion extended to its fullest perfection. The one known as Jehoshua would have been less than fully understanding of its course had it chosen to follow its will at any space/time during its teachings. Several times, as you call this measure, this entity had the possibility of moving towards the martyr’s place which was, for that martyr, Jerusalem. Yet in meditation this entity stated, time and again, “It is not yet the hour.” The entity could also have, when the hour came, walked another path. Its incarnation would then have been prolonged but the path for which it incarnated somewhat confused. Thusly, one may observe the greatest amount of understanding, of which this entity was indeed capable, taking place as the entity in meditation felt and knew that the hour had come for that to be fulfilled which was its incarnation.

It is indeed so that all mind/body/spirit complexes shall die to the third-density illusion; that is, that each yellow-ray physical-complex body shall cease to be viable. It is a misnomer to, for this reason alone, call each mind/body/spirit complex a martyr, for this term is reserved for those who lay down their lives for the service they may provide to others. We may encourage meditation upon the functions of the will.

Afghan police officer embraces suicide bomber to save others

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The Harry Potter Effect: The Science Behind Why We Like Magical Things

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Wisdom is the daughter of experience.

-- by Leonardo Da Vinci (Thoughts on Art and Life)

Source: http://www.notable-quotes.com/w/wisdom_quotes_ii.html

61.6 Questioner: I would like to ask questions about healing exercises. The first is, in the healing exercises concerning the body, what do you mean by the disciplines of the body having to do with the balance between love and wisdom in the use of the body in its natural functions?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall speak more briefly than usual due to this instrument’s use of the transferred energy. We, therefore, request further queries if our reply is not sufficient.

The body complex has natural functions. Many of these have to do with the unmanifested self and are normally not subject to the need for balancing. There are natural functions which have to do with other-self. Among these are touching, loving, the sexual life, and those times when the company of another is craved to combat the type of loneliness which is the natural function of the body as opposed to those types of loneliness which are of the mind/emotion complex or of the spirit.

When these natural functions may be observed in the daily life they may be examined in order that the love of self and love of other-self versus the wisdom regarding the use of natural functions may be observed. There are many fantasies and stray thoughts which may be examined in most of your peoples in this balancing process.

Equally to be balanced is the withdrawal from the need for these natural functions with regard to other-self. On the one hand there is an excess of love. It must be determined whether this is love of self or other-self or both. On the other hand there is an over-balance towards wisdom.

It is well to know the body complex so that it is an ally, balanced and ready to be clearly used as a tool, for each bodily function may be used in higher and higher, if you will, complexes of energy with other-self. No matter what the behavior, the important balancing is the understanding of each interaction on this level with other-selves so that whether the balance may be love/wisdom or wisdom/love, the other-self is seen by the self in a balanced configuration and the self is thus freed for further work.

[Confused]

Stress, Psychosis, and the Creator of "Kony 2012"

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You Are What You Believe: Understanding Early Programming

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52.10 Questioner: Thank you. Just as something that I am a little inquisitive about, but which is not of much importance, I would like to make a statement which I intuitively hunch. I may be wrong.

You were speaking of the slingshot effect and that term has puzzled me.

The only thing that I can see is that you must put energy into a craft until it approaches the velocity of light and this of course requires more and more energy. The time dilation occurs and it seems to me that it would be possible to, by moving at 90° to the direction of travel, somehow change this stored energy in its application of direction or sense so that you move out of space/time into time/space with a 90° deflection. Then the energy would be taken out in time/space and you would re-enter space/time at the end of this energy burst. Am I in any way correct on this?

Ra: I am Ra. You are quite correct as far as your language may take you and, due to your training, more able than we to express the concept. Our only correction, if you will, would be to suggest that the 90° of which you speak are an angle which may best be understood as a portion of a tesseract.

The Many Dimensions of the Tesseract

[Ruth]

You Are What You Believe: Understanding Early Programming

"It’s never too late to “discover” lost pieces of yourself. The more you learn about yourself, the more capable you are of changing your perspectives and, by doing so, broadening your own horizons."


So true - it's never too late!

[Confused]

You Are What You Believe: Understanding Early Programming

"It’s never too late to “discover” lost pieces of yourself. The more you learn about yourself, the more capable you are of changing your perspectives and, by doing so, broadening your own horizons."


So true - it's never too late!

I think you may probably like this as well, Ruth.

The Inner Language of the Subconscious

[Ruth]

Yes, I like the inner language article. I was listening to a group of business cds while traveling this week. On one of them (and I'm sorry, I just went through and looked and can't find the exact one, but I will keep trying) they were talking about the differences between how men and women process verbal information. They said that men process strictly on left brain, but women use both sides of the brain to process verbal information.

Anyway, it is somewhat related and I thought of you when I heard it.

[Confused]

Yes, I like the inner language article. I was listening to a group of business cds while traveling this week. On one of them (and I'm sorry, I just went through and looked and can't find the exact one, but I will keep trying) they were talking about the differences between how men and women process verbal information. They said that men process strictly on left brain, but women use both sides of the brain to process verbal information.

Anyway, it is somewhat related and I thought of you when I heard it.

Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus.......

[βαθμιαίος]

Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus.......

So are all wanderers from Ra female?

[Ankh]

Then if you are a female Ra wanderer, you will need to become gay, if you want to mate with someone from the same social memory complex, cause there are no male Ra wanderers?

[Confused]

Lol, guys! I just ripped a popular title of a book by the writer, John Gray.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_fro...from_Venus

[AnthroHeart]

...I honestly can't imagine not having a choice.

That is the catch, I think. It appears that everything has a price.

With the freedom of choice (as instilled by the logoi), comes attached the elements of uncertainty and responsibility, in my opinion.

There was still choice before the veil, correct? Just that nobody was motivated to improve themself if they already saw everything was one.

[Meerie]

Then if you are a female Ra wanderer, you will need to become gay, if you want to mate with someone from the same social memory complex, cause there are no male Ra wanderers?

no they should mate with those from Mars! those poor martians who suffered from those inhospitable conditions and had to be relocated to Earth
they would be glad to have a Venus companion who has this harmonious evolution behind them.
All for the sake of balance and healing, of course.

30.14: "We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity of [the progress of] the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction.

Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia."

[Spaced]

As a Martian soul I can get behind that

[Confused]

...I honestly can't imagine not having a choice.

That is the catch, I think. It appears that everything has a price.

With the freedom of choice (as instilled by the logoi), comes attached the elements of uncertainty and responsibility, in my opinion.

There was still choice before the veil, correct? Just that nobody was motivated to improve themself if they already saw everything was one.

You are probably referring to this, GW --

82.28 Questioner: OK. This is the central important point. It seems to me that if polarization was the obvious thing that more effort would have been put forward to polarize. Let me see if I can state this differently. Before the veil there was an awareness of the need for polarization towards service to others in third density by all entities, whether incarnate in third-density, yellow-ray bodies or in between incarnations. I assume, then, that the condition of which we earlier spoke, one of wealth you might say, was present through the entire spectrum of experience whether it might be between incarnations or during incarnations and the entities just simply could not manifest the desire to create this polarization necessary for graduation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You begin to grasp the situation. Let us continue the metaphor of the schooling but consider the scholar as being an entity in your younger years of the schooling process. The entity is fed, clothed, and protected regardless of whether or not the schoolwork is accomplished. Therefore, the entity does not do the homework but rather enjoys playtime, mealtime, and vacation. It is not until there is a reason to wish to excel that most entities will attempt to excel.

I guess it is closely tied with this --

77.17 Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity. There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

It is notable that in 84.19, Don said this -- [...]It occurs to me that many statues or drawings of the one known as Lucifer or the Devil...[...]

In the Holy Bible, in Genesis, we have the Serpent tempting Eve to eat from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which probably is an allusion to immersion into immense materiality. Of course, the Serpent is associated with Satan (or Lucifer)!

Ra (77.17) refers to Lucifer as the "as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn." I think it has got something to do with immersion into robust and confining material nature, or this --

105.16 Questioner: Would you clear up my thinking on that? I didn’t quite understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. Each mind/body/spirit or mind/body/spirit complex has an existence simultaneous with that of creation. It is not dependent upon any physical vehicle. However, in order to evolve, change, learn, and manifest the Creator the physical vehicles appropriate to each density are necessary. Your query implied that physical vehicles accelerated growth. The more accurate description is that they permit growth.

[Ankh]

Lucky you then, Spaced! You get to date a Venusian!

@ Confused - I know what you were referring too, but had to have some fun!!

@ Gemini Wolf - you are right in my understanding.

Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

And the earlier Logoi always considered themselves to offer free will to the sub-Logoi under their care:

As proem let me state that the Logoi always conceived of themselves as offering free will to the sub-Logoi in their care. The sub-Logoi had freedom to experience and experiment with consciousness, the experiences of the body, and the illumination of the spirit. That having been said, we shall speak to the point of your query.

The first Logos to instill what you now see as free will, in the full sense, in its sub-Logoi came to this creation due to contemplation in depth of the concepts or possibilities of conceptualizations of what we have called the significators. The Logos posited the possibility of the mind, the body, and the spirit as being complex. In order for the significator to be what it is not, it then must be granted the free will of the Creator. This set in motion a quite lengthy, in your terms, series of Logoi improving or distilling this seed thought. The key was the significator becoming a complex.

But there was still a choice, even before the veil. A choice to either polarize or not. If you chose to polarize there is was only one path though, the positive.

[Confused]

....but had to have some fun!!

Of course, we are the fun!

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The Law of Responsibility