Harvesting is about simply enjoying the love/light of a higher density.

[Adonai One]

Who knew it was so simple? Ha.

So one can conclude the real mechanics to polarizing is loving more of the universe and being able to handle realities based on more love or perhaps "love of the self."

So one who is not polarized will simply not want nor have a taste for a higher density. Is this correct?

And, as it has been said, the reason most people who polarize don't harvest immediately is because they want to harvest with everyone else!

7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving say from our third density to the fourth in our transition now, and I’m trying to understand how it would be possible, if you were in the Orion group, and pointed toward self-service, how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

At this time we would answer any brief questions you may have.

[zenmaster]

So one who is not polarized will simply not want nor have a taste for a higher density. Is this correct?

3D and 4D are about polarization with regards to harvest. Entities have a spiritual nature which desires wholeness. The way that wholeness completes itself is unique to each, but that taste is always present in some distorted form. A polarized entity in 3D would begin to appreciate the provided learning opportunity and begin consciously participating in the incarnation. Entities with billions of years more experience than a harvestable 3D native wander back to 3D vibrations to learn.

[AnthroHeart]

Billions of years of experience don't matter when you've forgotten what you knew. Unless in some unconscious way I'm using that knowledge.

Adonai, you're right about enjoying the love/light of a higher density. That's how I see it.

[vilst3r]

So one can conclude the real mechanics to polarizing is loving more of the universe and being able to handle realities based on more love or perhaps "love of the self."

The way I see it, the harvest is more like a higher state of being where individuals have awakened in respect to a truthful perception. This isn't about polarizing towards love/hatred, which are forms of imbalances and form a deluded perception of reality. With respect to what Ra said earlier that 4th density is the opening of the green energy center and that the only way to successfully open this energy centers is through balancing of the first three energy centers. A balanced energy center is a perception of objectivity, seeing reality as it is, not deluded into a positive and utopian perception of it. The more objective and balanced an individual gains, the more he can connect to these higher energy centers. It's reinforced by Ra that acceptance is the key to spiritual growth, so an individual needs to accept the polarities of light and dark in order to gain a true and objective perception of reality in which they can act upon. The nature of our reality is a mix of light and dark, and we can't change our reality until we 'know thyself' and take action. The true creator wouldn't awaken itself in the process of experiencing himself through a harvest in which millions of people are transported away in a light realm or utopia.

There is a whole misconception in the subjective language that Ra uses which I just noticed by now through his term 'love'. Many people interpret 'love' as an emotional projection towards other beings and giving service to others. 'Love' in Ra's context isn't that, it's more the umbrella term which encompasses fear and love (the emotional spectrum). People who have been contributing towards the STO idea of the harvest has been deluded in their reality, not understanding themselves and totally absorbing and misinterpreting 'love' as to treat others with emotional projections of love. This doesn't change their reality, the nature of this imbalance incapsulates them into an illusion. The idea of love is 'acceptance' of the light and dark, a balanced formation that gives you an objective and true understanding.

In conclusion, the term 'harvest' used by Ra, is more of idea of individuals understanding their reality objectively, which leads to a higher state of being. The term has deluded many people into thinking that they're changing the universe by sending 'love and light', when the truth of know thyself is: the right thinking will lead to the right action that is reflected upon the universe. The true creator would want entities to know themselves, accepting reality as it is through catalyst that draw attention to imbalances, thus forming an objective and balanced perception.

That is my utter most, honest and objective understanding of the harvest that I wish to reflect to you

[Plenum]

it's like a tree growing more leaves; it can receive (+ use) a greater quantity of the always available light.

[Adonai One]

So one can conclude the real mechanics to polarizing is loving more of the universe and being able to handle realities based on more love or perhaps "love of the self."

The way I see it, the harvest is more like a higher state of being where individuals have awakened in respect to a truthful perception. This isn't about polarizing towards love/hatred, which are forms of imbalances and form a deluded perception of reality. With respect to what Ra said earlier that 4th density is the opening of the green energy center and that the only way to successfully open this energy centers is through balancing of the first three energy centers. A balanced energy center is a perception of objectivity, seeing reality as it is, not deluded into a positive and utopian perception of it. The more objective and balanced an individual gains, the more he can connect to these higher energy centers. It's reinforced by Ra that acceptance is the key to spiritual growth, so an individual needs to accept the polarities of light and dark in order to gain a true and objective perception of reality in which they can act upon. The nature of our reality is a mix of light and dark, and we can't change our reality until we 'know thyself' and take action. The true creator wouldn't awaken itself in the process of experiencing himself through a harvest in which millions of people are transported away in a light realm or utopia.

There is a whole misconception in the subjective language that Ra uses which I just noticed by now through his term 'love'. Many people interpret 'love' as an emotional projection towards other beings and giving service to others. 'Love' in Ra's context isn't that, it's more the umbrella term which encompasses fear and love (the emotional spectrum). People who have been contributing towards the STO idea of the harvest has been deluded in their reality, not understanding themselves and totally absorbing and misinterpreting 'love' as to treat others with emotional projections of love. This doesn't change their reality, the nature of this imbalance incapsulates them into an illusion. The idea of love is 'acceptance' of the light and dark, a balanced formation that gives you an objective and true understanding.

In conclusion, the term 'harvest' used by Ra, is more of idea of individuals understanding their reality objectively, which leads to a higher state of being. The term has deluded many people into thinking that they're changing the universe by sending 'love and light', when the truth of know thyself is: the right thinking will lead to the right action that is reflected upon the universe. The true creator would want entities to know themselves, accepting reality as it is through catalyst that draw attention to imbalances, thus forming an objective and balanced perception.

That is my utter most, honest and objective understanding of the harvest that I wish to reflect to you

I will say that I am in agreement with your understanding and I don't know how I was in disagreement. Haha.

[BrownEye]

A balanced energy center is a perception of objectivity, seeing reality as it is, not deluded into a positive and utopian perception of it.

Sounds similar to indifference. What did you say the definition of polarity was?

[vilst3r]

Sounds similar to indifference. What did you say the definition of polarity was?

I remind that the objective perception is the acceptance of dualities to form the eyes that sees reality as it is

[darklight]

The idea of love is 'acceptance' of the light and dark, a balanced formation that gives you an objective and true understanding.

Thats why I choosed the name darklight.

[Turtle]

The idea of love is 'acceptance' of the light and dark, a balanced formation that gives you an objective and true understanding.

Thats why I choosed the name darklight.

That is partially why the only shirts I own and wear are plain white t-shirts and plain black t-shirts...simple but very effective as a tool for my own internal pathways of mind.

[reeay]

Sounds similar to indifference. What did you say the definition of polarity was?

I remind that the objective perception is the acceptance of dualities to form the eyes that sees reality as it is

Is there such a thing as 'objective'? Perception being ever laden with one's biases and world views and distortions and what not.

[zenmaster]

It's not really objective perception, but the witnessing awareness which transcends and includes the subjective mindset of the lower energy centers. In other words, it's still subjective perception but with the transpersonal awareness which naturally arises with realization of the broader context of self. It's people call "awakening".

It's that transcendent bit that suggests objectivity. Framed a certain way, largely due to suggestions within the emerging valuing meme, there is pathological stifling effect. "knowingness" via intuition on "arbitrary hyperdrive" becomes a distraction due to inflation and lack of grounding. Arbitrariness is glorified because of its suggestion of infinity. Basically everything can be, and so is taken as pointer to "something more". And so the unbalanced intuition tends to feed the feeling of transcendence, which is a form of escapism from self. The playground of infinities void of rational experience.

[reeay]

Ah like what Carl Roger termed 'Observing Self'?

[zenmaster]

Ah like what Carl Roger termed 'Observing Self'?

Here's a description of the quality of valuing at that stage:
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/centaur.html
At that stage there is an awakening of the transpersonal which matures in later stages. But that peek is usually enough to make exploration compelling (using magical thinking usually).

[Sagittarius]

Ah like what Carl Roger termed 'Observing Self'?

Here's a description of the quality of valuing at that stage:
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/centaur.html
At that stage there is an awakening of the transpersonal which matures in later stages. But that peek is usually enough to make exploration compelling (using magical thinking usually).

Haha my username makes sense now.

[reeay]

It's not really objective perception, but the witnessing awareness which transcends and includes the subjective mindset of the lower energy centers. In other words, it's still subjective perception but with the transpersonal awareness which naturally arises with realization of the broader context of self. It's people call "awakening".

It's that transcendent bit that suggests objectivity. Framed a certain way, largely due to suggestions within the emerging valuing meme, there is pathological stifling effect. "knowingness" via intuition on "arbitrary hyperdrive" becomes a distraction due to inflation and lack of grounding. Arbitrariness is glorified because of its suggestion of infinity. Basically everything can be, and so is taken as pointer to "something more". And so the unbalanced intuition tends to feed the feeling of transcendence, which is a form of escapism from self. The playground of infinities void of rational experience.

OK I understand now. Sorry I was thinking about another thing.

I am getting impression that at times rationality is misunderstood as 'cold' and 'unimaginative' and 'rigid'... That it is undesireable compared to coveted intuition. haha personal bias there.

Rationality could also have limitation/imbalances, e.g., western modes of thinking does tilt towards a materialism, narrow view of reality, and deductive reasoning (as people call it 'left brain'). There's utility in seeing reality from this perspective but this type of rationality would be imbalanced, too, because it's important to also see things from a broader perspective thru inductive reasoning... that reality could be perceived uniquely but have common threads. Inductive reasoning for example does require intuition and being able to see connections to vast array of things that our minds would not have previously perceived. Reality can be intersubjective even when people's experiences are unique by looking at the 'heart of the matter', for example. I kind of think inductive reasoning is part of the next valuing meme after green.

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Haha my username makes sense now.

lol the Centaur is a great symbol - half man, half horse. You have the choice of becoming the Philosopher King or be drugged by the animalistic nature/instinct of man or woman. The animal nature could distract the centaur as he/she aims his/her arrow to the target, so the human mind could help to moderate that.

[zenmaster]

I am getting impression that at times rationality is misunderstood as 'cold' and 'unimaginative' and 'rigid'... That it is undesireable compared to coveted intuition. haha personal bias there.

I am using rational in the Jungian sense of thinking and feeling psychological faculties of evaluation which are used to form experience. Intuition is the interface to the unconscious and just perceives things. That intuitive perception is informed by prior experience, and is at a loss to illuminate without prior experience. And experience can not be gained without intuitive perception creating suggestions of how things can be interpreted.

Rationality could also have limitation/imbalances, e.g., western modes of thinking does tilt towards a materialism, narrow view of reality, and deductive reasoning (as people call it 'left brain'). There's utility in seeing reality from this perspective but this type of rationality would be imbalanced, too, because it's important to also see things from a broader perspective thru inductive reasoning... that reality could be perceived uniquely but have common threads. Inductive reasoning for example does require intuition and being able to see connections to vast array of things that our minds would not have previously perceived.

Both the rational and intuitive faculties function at a vibration of mind which corresponds to the subdensities here. As vibration is raised, the nature of rationality or evaluations necessarily changes to a less distorted, and more aware view. Materialism is an identifiable meme of a vibrational range, with which mind may identify and use as a resource for making sense of the world (as with the other memes). So the limit of rationality is going to be the vibrational base from which it considers things. In addition to this vibrational limit (scope), there are both healthy and pathological expressions of the faculty in evaluating. For example, the pathological two-sided coin of the close-minded skeptic, or the fanatical believer. The healthy expression would be that which promotes and leads to transformation of mind and transcendence of meme.

Reality can be intersubjective even when people's experiences are unique by looking at the 'heart of the matter', for example. I kind of think inductive reasoning is part of the next valuing meme after green.

For the positive 3D m/b entity, intersubjective experience requires enough of green-ray to be balanced in order to access blue-ray. The blue-ray is what enables the "shared mind", which is the basis for the 3D SMC. You sort of have to work out a sufficient degree of the personal unconscious (i.e. withdraw projections, balance tendencies to identify with things) at green valuing meme in order to move into the next meme (yellow) and to have any clear access to another's mind (when the intent is to mutually share experience). Also with blue-ray, there is access to the planetary-mind consciousness, akashic records, or noosphere (all same thing).

[reeay]

I think some people don't know the value meme thing so I'm posting some articles you have shared in the past:

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/blog/joh...evelopment

oops the other one is not accessible

[Ankh]

Who knew it was so simple? Ha.

I don't think that it is simple at all, my brother. Do you see all the wars? Do you see all the greed? Do you see all the torture? And all those other horrible plagues that have happened and still keep happening on our planet? Can you see another being trying to hurt another being? Through all this, you have to learn to love. To "simply" love.

Ahh... But it ain't that simple, or is it?

My experience has been that sometimes - it just seems - impossible. I can love how much I want to, or more accurately *think* that I love, but as soon as I walk out from the door of my home, and step into the daylight of this world, I get scared, I get afraid, I see separation, and because of gazillions other, different things, I can't see unity, and I can't love...

I struggle each and every day.

I don't think that it is simple at all...

[Adonai One]

It's not the actions alone that define love. It's simply how we perceive them.

In a single strike, one can see the love in all things as they stand. There are no conditions for unity except embracing all that is and all desires of others. As this is done, gradually all darkness falls away and not before.

One must first embrace the darkness. One must first see that separation is actually unity, for the unity never leaves. For after all, separation and darkness is simply illusion.

[Raz]

when we feel genuine love even for the unlovable, that is a clear sign that we are living from heart rather then mind...

[Turtle]

It's not the actions alone that define love. It's simply how we perceive them.

In a single strike, one can see the love in all things as they stand. There are no conditions for unity except embracing all that is and all desires of others. As this is done, gradually all darkness falls away and not before.

One must first embrace the darkness. One must first see that separation is actually unity, for the unity never leaves. For after all, separation and darkness is simply illusion.

Indeed. I like to call this realization...living a heavenly life amidst the chaos on Earth!....even when my face and body language is misread by others as a man who is angry at something, I am usually simply enjoying the presence of my own awareness and the ebbs and flows of others'....consistently digesting all the stimulus around me and accepting all of it into my heart as efficiently as I can.

Every day is a rollercoaster for me just as it is for others, however my rollercoaster is something I look forward to EVERY day now. It may sound absurd to most...but it is no lie!

[zenmaster]

when we feel genuine love even for the unlovable, that is a clear sign that we are living from heart rather then mind...

Not really, this is one of those new-age slogans which demonstrates a false dichotomy. There is no heart, either physical or metaphysical without a mind.

[Turtle]

when we feel genuine love even for the unlovable, that is a clear sign that we are living from heart rather then mind...

Not really, this is one of those new-age slogans which demonstrates a false dichotomy. There is no heart, either physical or metaphysical without a mind.

Is that really how you interpreted that or are you just joking? I'd bet Raz meant that by "living from the heart", one is allowing unconditional love to inform their mind as well as their actions.

[Raz]

living from heart, rather than for mind. mind is not excluded but it´s Place is understood. Heart and mind is in a dance, the heart is in the lead as mind is blind to the universal tune if it does not listen to heart, it can nothing but learn to trust and follow its partner if there is a wish for harmony.

[Turtle]

living from heart, rather than for mind. mind is not excluded but it´s Place is understood. Heart and mind is in a dance, the heart is in the lead as mind is blind to the universal tune if it does not listen to heart, it can nothing but learn to trust and follow its partner if there is a wish for harmony.

This understanding alone, is sufficient for creating one's optimal path through life...with great joy and passion we can all live like this if we choose!

[zenmaster]

living from heart, rather than for mind. mind is not excluded but it´s Place is understood. Heart and mind is in a dance, the heart is in the lead as mind is blind to the universal tune if it does not listen to heart, it can nothing but learn to trust and follow its partner if there is a wish for harmony.

The heart as the authentic center of being which informs the mind? Yes, if it's understood that "heart" is a spiritual connection which, of course, is only provided by that space made available from mind. As I said, "dance" is a false dichotomy for this relationship as mind is that which supports and allows the connectiom on the first place. The "dance" is always with the dichotomies created and maintained by mind.

[Raz]

The heart as the authentic center of being which informs the mind? Yes, if it's understood that "heart" is a spiritual connection which, of course, is only provided by that space made available from mind. As I said, "dance" is a false dichotomy for this relationship as mind is that which supports and allows the connectiom on the first place. The "dance" is always with the dichotomies created and maintained by mind.

would it be more correct to say; that the heart is patiently and readily awaiting mind to harmoniously join the universal play?

Mind might be the provider of space, but heart is the provider of grace.

Mind works with smoke and mirrors, heart with clear shining intent.

Heart is present, mind is past and future bent.

I´m not saying one is better than the other or that mind is bad in any way, just easily confused in to fear, anger, superiority and inferiority when clouding it´s connection with heart. And even if this confusion is fine, it sure does not feel divine in the "wrong" situation.

I´m saying it´s best not to drive your car sitting in the complex Engine, even if it´s an awesome Engine =)

[zenmaster]

The heart as the authentic center of being which informs the mind? Yes, if it's understood that "heart" is a spiritual connection which, of course, is only provided by that space made available from mind. As I said, "dance" is a false dichotomy for this relationship as mind is that which supports and allows the connectiom on the first place. The "dance" is always with the dichotomies created and maintained by mind.

would it be more correct to say; that the heart is patiently and readily awaiting mind to harmoniously join the universal play?

Mind might be the provider of space, but heart is the provider of grace.

Mind works with smoke and mirrors, heart with clear shining intent.

Heart is present, mind is past and future bent.

I´m not saying one is better than the other or that mind is bad in any way, just easily confused in to fear, anger, superiority and inferiority when clouding it´s connection with heart. And even if this confusion is fine, it sure does not feel divine in the "wrong" situation.

I´m saying it´s best not to drive your car sitting in the complex Engine, even if it´s an awesome Engine =)

Again, you're still merely 1) conflating the potential pathological expressions of thought (in the orange and yellow-ray vibrations) as being "mind" and 2) comparing that limited idea of mind with possible thought "heart" in the green-ray vibration.

[Raz]

Again, you're still merely 1) conflating the potential pathological expressions of thought (in the orange and yellow-ray vibrations) as being "mind" and 2) comparing that limited idea of mind with possible thought "heart" in the green-ray vibration.

Mmmm... Think I get it now...different colour vibration... different mind relation... in different dimensions, mind is still there, but operating accordingly... the puzzle is coming together... Thanks for putting your energy in to clarifying my mental separation... Much Gratitude mr Zen.