The gods of ancient pantheons

[Seeker of the One]

I am really interested in mythology of Egypt, Greece and Norse.
So that it revealed for me that Ra was not a Egyptian God, but 6th density social memory complex. So, who are other gods like Anubis, Isis, Osiris, Seth? Are they too some entities who might contact the people in some periods of history?

Quetzalcoatl, I believe so according to Ra words, was an 3d entity who progressed on the spiritual evolution ladder and became social memory complex and then helped the people. Not sure about that, was he living among Aztec society and after he died he was harvested or had been living before and then appeared to Aztec as 'god'?

I have read Seth (not sure if he is the same entity as Egyptian Seth, there were no statements he contacted Egyptians) channeling in which was stated that Thor, Odin and Freya (other Norse gods as well) were actually the creatures of inner planes.
Could it be that other Egyptian and Greek gods were so?

What do you think about it and maybe you have some interesting information. Have you experienced something connected to inner planes or inner planes themselves?

[Unbound]

You know, I asked this at Homecoming and basically there was only so much space for questions and these were not even really asked about. I mean this in relation to the Ra material.

In MY opinion... well that is a pretty big story that I don't think will fit in to a forum post, but I will just leave a hint that every name that has ever existed is tied to an entity that is a part of the One Infinite Creator. Some entities hold more than one of these names, and the two or more may be completely unrelated. However, there are "stations" which entities who first used these names on this sphere have come to embody and there are linear soul patterns, actual consciousnesses which I believe were born in the 4th Density and above and have come back as wanderers consistently throughout history to aid in the ever progressing evolution of this planetary Logos.

[Seeker of the One]

This thought of them being wanderers of 4th density is indeed very interesting and may appear to be actually the most obvious.
I thought that some of them might be the entities from inner planes, maybe negative ones who also were interested in controlling the people, demanding sacrifices or whatever.

WHY I don't think they could be 4th density wanderers is just as follows: Wanderers do not remember their previous lives or experience, they may live the whole life and even don't recall they are from the higher density (it depends on if the one can recall who he really is).
But according to myths, stories, legends, they had used some god-like powers. Could the wanderers manipulate the intelligent infinity? I think no. As far as I remember, Ra stated that no wanderer could do some thing that dual-activated entities could, because their mind/body complex is the same as 3rd density, except spiritual one. Concerning god-like powers: for example Zeus' lightnings. But could also inner plane entity manipulate these powers?

The truth lies here understanding what social memory complex is, if these entities were wanderers. I want to ask, could the whole social memory complex take the ONE body to appear in 3rd density and not being a wanderer? For example, Ra lowered his vibrations, gained all the parts of the social memory complex (wanderers on other planets) and appeared on the Earth as the entity in its only one and original copy? So that we may state there is not Ra entity in the galaxy, but this one, no wanderers of them anywhere, just this one. Could social memory complex exist in one body as the whole entity?

I may not be right, but these thoughts I concluded from deep thinking on these topics. I am also as well interested to read more of everyone's personal thoughts on this topic.

Tanner, could you please provide more information about which names were used for the same entity, please?

[Unbound]

It is somewhat difficult to explain exactly what I mean. It is not entirely true, I believe, that a wanderer must enter life completely without memory. There are methods for bringing remembrance back in to the consciousness through life construction at the levels where the being is conscious enough to construct its own life pattern. Many of the fantastic lives throughout history have had a very precise and articulate design woven in to them by the entity pre-incarnation. Not every life is lead simply by spontaneous catalyst, especially not when you are able to consciously craft your own life story or pattern, as precise or vague as you like and Creator will do the rest. Some enjoy acute precision, while others the total opposite.

There are also methods whereby a link can be made between the higher being and the lower being much like the antakharana symbol represents. All lives are simultaneous, so two mutually created beings, by identity association can assist to bridge the conscious mind to the unconscious to thus pierce the veil. I can only say that the only reason there is a visual block between the third density and those above is because of the veil. The higher densities choose to not be visible to the third density, but they could, and they have.

There was a time before the quarantine when it was deemed acceptable that the planet would be capable of receiving "higher guidance", but there were unexpected complications in the experiment. The Creator enacted a drama that was kept from the eyes of all, the mystery poured forth and the whole game was relain. This happens spontaneously, all the time and in no time, even the angels and the gods and the devas to cosmic beings and beyond do not know this mystery, for it is unknowable. Such is infinity everborn.

The higher beings fell in love with the planet and the beings of this planet. They fell so in love with it that they merged themselves with it and fill it with themselves to have it as their own experience as well. This was a natural expression, but the human was a strange creature to them, and they did not quite account for the Creator's mystery which lurks around every corner. The human changed the higher beings in to something which at first seemed chaotic and distraught, but over many thousands, millions of years the higher beings and the humans have merged to become as One Being, and it was understood now that all things were One.

The words I am speaking come from both the path and the destinations, the past and the future all tied up in the present. Like the DNA of experience itself. I am only offering what is coming to my conscious, nay, what is at the core of my consciousness which is the core of all consciousness, and where we all meet in love as One.

As for names, I would find it rather difficult to do that at this moment, as I neither know nor have studied to try aha

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Also, no I do not believe an entire social memory complex could "fit" energetically in to a body, however, as I understand, multiple beings are able to "be One" together or perhaps you could say dream together in one body, working as a unified whole but stemming from multiple individuated consciousnesses.

It all depends what the mystery of the Creator emerges as in each moment, in each life, in each creation.

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Perhaps my language is off, I believe a social memory complex is still comprised of body/mind/spirit complexes. So I believe many of the latter could work together to dream a life in to existence in a coordinated manner.

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Also, as for inner plane entities, they would first have to establish a channel to emerge from in the outer plane to utilize such abilities directly, I feel.

All of this is just my thoughts in the moment, none need be taken unless it desired so.

[Bat]

I think most of the Ancient gods are Human/Hybird ETS, David Wilcock and many others go into great details. I am not sure if they would be social memory complexs, probably more physical human ETS but more evolved. However many Gods have been used in different civilizations from old, so they could be going quite far back and by the Greek times were probably just myths that held some truth imo.

[Fastidious Emanations]

I think it is plausible that a social memory complex may be able to incarnate in 3D as a single entity without loosing polarity by means of an irregularly heavy veiling for said "individual".

I think some gods may be personified forces of nature, while others may be forces of nature personified, with varying degrees of "each" of "It"'s myriad of natures/persona/mind.

Possibly there are wanderers, or even 3d harvestables which have in the "past" gained access to higher density energy bodies via the "window effect" Ra mentions. Though apparently wanderers aren't allowed/able to do that, Orion might.

To be noted though; from an uninformed perspective we here may seem as if to be worshipping Ra as a god, because we resonate and show much appreciation for this "pure" admonition and act of Service.

[Unbound]

I will add that I think this topic is particular difficult because it is so hard to account for the many levels of reality. I think the study of these kinds of beings is done in three ways, one, according to names, the history of names and the interrelationships between names. Two, energetically through invocation, calling the names and various spirits to experience their vibration, consciousness and intelligence. And third is through story or mythology which to me describes the "history" of such beings as experienced from mostly the human standpoint.

I will say that I believe many of these entities are still very much existent and accessible and can be communicated with on telepathic levels. However, I think it should be expected and accepted that each will have its own particular view of the universe and how it is constructed, so discernment should always be made.

There are different pantheons which are actually part of the same "family" if you were to put it that way. One family, as such, is a combination of Greek, Roman, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Celtic, Norse, Sumerian, Pheonician, Babylonian, and some others, as well as some entities being laced in to other families. Another family is the various Slavic pantheons and some of the pantheons of Eastern Europe. The pantheon of the Hindu religion and the Buddhist pantheon are, I believe, one family. Then there is the Asiatic family of spirits which includes Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, etc native traditions. Then there are the families of indigneous tribes, which I believe all of the pantheons of the American Continent (North and South) are one family. There is also a family which is the many African spirits and actually the Africian pantheon family is, I believe, tied to and part of the ancient Atlantean pantheons, particularly the voodoo spirits.

There are, of course, numerous smaller families or less known ones which are not so examined in history. Tracing the history of the pantheons in such a matter is very, very challenging because most, if not all, pantheons exist across time in to both the past, future and in the present. The Akashic records is still being written in by many of these entities, so one cannot really place a conclusion to their stories.

I believe they exist on multiple levels, as entities going through incarnation, as higher density beings, as inner plane beings and sometimes even as "walk ins". It is thus, very difficult to determine the nature of many, however, from what I understand and have been told by my guides is that actually a fair number of these entities are going through incarnative experience at this point in time because it is the only way to assist and be of service directly, as well as to grow and improve upon themselves. There are others which remain disincarnate, most immediate in my mind are examples such as Zeus, Helios, Hades, Vishnu, Brahma, etc, most of the "higher gods" as individualities do not incarnate, but many of the others are also going through growth and evolution through the incarnative experience.

As for the appearance of powers and such abilities, I would note that the only reason 4D and above are invisible to 3D are because they willingly choose to be invisible, and that there was a time where it was not deemed such a necessity. There was a time when it was understood that all are equal, that humans and "gods" can co-exist without any need for one to be perceived as "above" the other. Why the drama of separation was brought in to play, I am still on the road to discovering.

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I should also add that I haven't gained this information from anywhere, but receive it in communion with my guides.

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Truth be told, I have been interested in doing a vested probe and examination of many of these entities to find out exactly their connections and which names were used by which entities, however the challenge of such an endeavour is partly social as I have, through my own discoveries, realized that mythology in many cases is totally off and out of whack with these entities, much of it being heavily convoluted by human dramas and politics.

[AnthroHeart]

Cory Herter, now called Core Love, has said that 4D beings are gods, that have perfect bodies, and like to dance in unison.

[Unbound]

Well, "gods" in relativity to a third density entity, and "perfect" is also a relative idea, but it does seem they are not plagued by any kind of disease and death is typically, if not always, done by choice (so long as no infringement). As for the dancing, I would say that is true at least as far as positive entities go aha dancing is a deep expression of the self. I think many art forms become "more important" beyond 3D because there is more space in experience to work with them. Fewer survival concerns in 4D, I feel.

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Of course, that depends also on the sub-density of 4D we are talking about aha

[AnthroHeart]

So what does 7th subdensity of 3D feel like? Is that the opening to intelligent infinity? Then one can choose the manner of their leaving the incarnation? I've been wanting to open to II for some time. I'd like to choose my time of departure.
And intelligent infinity gives a path directly into 4D (the next octave of experience unless Ra actually meant the next Octave when you open the gateway.)

[Unbound]

7th sub-density of 3D would, I imagine, be an experience of totally conscious choosing in each moment. This may not mean exactly being able to choose every event, but rather have total conscious awareness of the choice in every moment. Harvestability from 3D is dependent upon polarization so I would say that the 7th sub-density would be an experience of total commitment to the choices one is making. I am not sure if this grants one the ability to choose in terms of events the manner of each experience but rather the ability to make fully conscious choices at all times.

[AnthroHeart]

Is the 4th subdensity of 3D, green ray, a subdensity where harvestability comes nigh? I think so.

I should say is being in 4th subdensity the same as having kundalini rising to the heart chakra?

49.6 Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.

Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.

Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh.

[Parsons]

Very interesting. I contemplated this quite a bit at one point. I came up with a theory that nearly every anicient 'god' could have some basis in 'reality'. I assume some attributes of these so called 'gods' are exaggerated/fabricated; some are not.

Tanner, your concept of some few entities having linear, concurrent incarnations in which they guide/throw in their 2 cents about humanity as a whole, really resonates with me. It brings up a lot of questions. The biggest one would be does one of these entities remember who they in every incarnation? To what extent do entities choose to experience that? For instance, is the one formally know as Jeshua one of those entities?

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Also, no I do not believe an entire social memory complex could "fit" energetically in to a body, however, as I understand, multiple beings are able to "be One" together or perhaps you could say dream together in one body, working as a unified whole but stemming from multiple individuated consciousnesses.

I would have to agree, this was my thought as well. I would further ask why an entire social memory complex would want to incarnate into a single body? I don't see any 'advantage' in that whatsoever.

I will add that I think this topic is particular difficult because it is so hard to account for the many levels of reality. I think the study of these kinds of beings is done in three ways, one, according to names, the history of names and the interrelationships between names. Two, energetically through invocation, calling the names and various spirits to experience their vibration, consciousness and intelligence. And third is through story or mythology which to me describes the "history" of such beings as experienced from mostly the human standpoint.

Again, I am in agreeance with you, I find this topic difficult to comprehend due to there being so many different levels of reality that are potentially truly 'alien' to us. I find your thoughts very interesting on the various avenues to explore these types of beings and hadn't really contemplated how to explore it this.

Truth be told, I have been interested in doing a vested probe and examination of many of these entities to find out exactly their connections and which names were used by which entities, however the challenge of such an endeavour is partly social as I have, through my own discoveries, realized that mythology in many cases is totally off and out of whack with these entities, much of it being heavily convoluted by human dramas and politics.

When I originally came up with concept (and still to some degree), I was/am interested in exploring this. The largest barrier I perceived was finding someone who was both knowledgeable/open minded about these entities' potential true nature and who was not biased due to intense human distortion of 'mainstream modern history'.

Perhaps there is potential for exploring this since it appears I am not alone.

[Unbound]

It is somewhat difficult to explain, but every entity, every part of the Creator will at some point in infinity experience and be part of the human experience, for all is in all and the Creator will experience every part of itself. Thus human consciousness is, in my understanding, just one level of communication between different parts of the Creator. The Creator is infinite but it also must be finite is every way as well. Consider the progression out from the Creator. How many 'oversouls' do you think a planet of 7 billion bodies consist of? I am not sure at this point, everyone may ultimately be their own oversoul and such is the diversity of the Creator.

There is the same advantage as all experience, the Creator knowing itself and uncovering its own mystery.

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And no, not alone at all! Aha

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Also, remember these are just current ideas that are also theories, please discern for yourselves friends, I have no desire to mislead.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm not sure if Ra has reached higher self status yet, but in some of my spiritual experiences in the past, in a simulation (which I did not know was at the time) I helped Ra achieve Higher Self status, where they as well as I could finally rest from all the energy shifting. It was quite active up to that point. It has been my main mission to help Ra still some of their distortions, if that's at all possible. For they have great desire to do so. I'm not sure if it's boastful to say that perhaps in some of my work I have benefited Ra. It would thrill me if my past experiences have done just that.

[Spaced]

A theory:

Light reaches us from a variety of sources (different stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) carrying information from it's source of origin, informing the planetary consciousness of this Earth we now find ourselves upon. This information coming from a number of creative sources (logoi?)then exists in the consciousness of the planet, which informs/is analogous to the mass unconscious of the human people living on this planet, and emerges through the consciousness of those people. Through time and observation perhaps people begin to recognize differences in the quality of information being expressed through the interplay of the consciousness of the planet and the various creative sources which inform it, giving them names and building large societal thought-forms around them and thus creating gods.

I'm not sure if this theory holds water so to speak, but I thought it up just now and it seemed nifty so I thought I'd share

[Unbound]

That is a beautiful theory!

[Unbound]

I also find Ra's reference to an "Elder Race" of individuals who continuously reincarnate on this planet out of their own free will to aid in the evolution of the planet.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=e...e&l=80&o=r

[AnthroHeart]

I don't feel a part of the Elder Race. There are probably few of them on Earth. I aim to make this my last incarnation upon 3D.

[Unbound]

Aha If you focus so much upon being "finished" how can you learn while you are here?

[AnthroHeart]

I like how you put Aha. Well I can't say for certain if it's my last incarnation. I will be where my higher self deems valid.
If I'm vibrating at 4th subdensity, that of love, can I make my own choices about incarnating, or is that left to the higher self?

I think my 2D pets don't get to choose how they will incarnate. But something is special about my wolfdog Loki. It's like we're twin flames, although he likes to ignore me. When he passes, his spirit will probably incarnate in the next dog that I get. Unless I have invested him enough for 3D next goaround. It would be great to be a guide for him on the other side as he goes into 3D. I feel my dog may have chosen me, but the circumstances of his life are probably not pre-incarnative because he doesn't have the awareness to seek the Light.

So when I pass on and the veil is lifted, I can't say for certain if I'd make the same choices as I desire now. I did a interim-life regression (between the last life and this one), and I found that I was unable to grasp any material. I could not get grounded. That is why I chose to incarnate, so I'd have structure.

But for now, I'd take infinity over stagnation. I just wonder how I can live an infinite life. I feel the sun is investing me to at least 4D.

[Unbound]

You are already living an infinite life, because you are aware of the immortality of your essential being. May I ask you, why do you think living will be any more or less challenging on any other level? Either way it is possible to become stagnant, regardless of where you are, and as I understand it it takes even more conscious effort to continue to ascend in the higher densities because of the ease with which everything is done.

Just a thought, maybe we are here to learn how to live passionately and without fear? I see a lot of fear of 'insanity' within you, my friend. You cannot stay grounded because you do not trust yourself to stay grounded.

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I do not mean to be pushy or anything, but I get this overwhelming sense of "unattended destiny" when I perceive your field, like there is a great work waiting for you to take it up, if only you'd look and be willing to see. I feel like it is right in front of you, but you aren't interested in seeing it, so you do not.

[AnthroHeart]

You are already living an infinite life, because you are aware of the immortality of your essential being. May I ask you, why do you think living will be any more or less challenging on any other level? Either way it is possible to become stagnant, regardless of where you are, and as I understand it it takes even more conscious effort to continue to ascend in the higher densities because of the ease with which everything is done.

Just a thought, maybe we are here to learn how to live passionately and without fear? I see a lot of fear of 'insanity' within you, my friend. You cannot stay grounded because you do not trust yourself to stay grounded.

I will work on staying grounded. That's a good point. Ra says in higher density you deal with a more transparent distortion of the Law of One. I took this to mean we no longer have confusion about what we are to do. Perhaps in higher density I won't be trying as hard to spiritually advance. I do so here because of the veil. But in doing so I became ungrounded. I don't have a fear of not being able to stay grounded now that I'm on my meds. But sometimes even lately I've been seeking hard, where I should take baby steps. I'm not sure why I think that 4D will be a "better" density than 3D has been. I've not really had a tough life. Work has gone well for me. I thank you my friend for caring enough to tell me the truth.

[Unbound]

I do care, and I have seen you on this forum since I have been part of it and I find you to be one of the brightest lights of genuine self expression I have seen around. Both your green and blue ray are beautifully open. That being said, I have watched you beat yourself up on many occasions for challenges and mistakes you have encountered on your path of seeking. You are seeking so hard at times you almost seem to be breaking through dimensions and while this is, in one sense, admirable and amazing, I don't think you give yourself enough credit for your power and capability in this dimension.

I think you could make a big difference if you focused yourself upon a purpose. It doesn't even have to be a material activity, but could be a spiritual focus such as a daily visualization of "improvements to Earth", or sending love to world leaders to help soften their hearts, or to see forests and creatures all becoming visible and growing on the planet. You have a huge energetic potential and it appears to me that you are hardly using it. Perhaps that is because you do not believe your thoughts have an actual effect. However, I will tell you now, that the power of your thoughts can do an immense amount of good, especially when you are physically busy. The greatest master will never be recognized as such because they will be living in the same manner as the common man. The monks of all time have realized that true freedom is in the mind, but the body need only do the mundane things to achieve its spiritual pleasure. As Ra has said:

Let us for a moment consider thought. What is it, my friends, to take thought? Took you then thought today? What thoughts did you think today? What thoughts were part of the original thought today? In how many of your thoughts did the creation abide? Was love contained? And was service freely given? You are not part of a material universe. You are part of a thought. You are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material. You are dancing thoughts. You move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought.

[AnthroHeart]

I was watching a movie with family that didn't make sense to me. I asked Ra in my mind if the movie made sense to them, and Ra said "Thomas, they're not really there". So it was illusion. That was one of the lessons I got. That is if it was Ra that spoke to me. The movie was Spirit of the Forest. When I was watching, I thought I was in 4D. This was before I was on my meds.

[Unbound]

What was illusion?

[AnthroHeart]

What was illusion?

That I was told "They're not really there." when I could see them and talk to them. How can others not really be there?

[Unbound]

Oh wait, I think I get what you mean, you meant the characters of the movie. Also, I understand the way one can have that identification and view everything with consciousness. Always makes me wonder if there is some reality where movies exist of our lives here, just images and snapshots all wound together.

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Also, it depends, in that case there is no "there" because it was your own consciousness you were interacting with. The difference is between the actual entity or not. You were interacting with thoughtforms, but no actual entities.

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There is actually a natural possibility of that experience through the transfer upwards of energy through the centers. Since everything is thought, everything becomes alive and able to be interacted with. Thus why so much emphasis is placed on discernment in many teachings because it is so easy to get carried away.

[AnthroHeart]

I was told "they're not really there" when I asked about my parents if they understood what was going on. It's possible it wasn't Ra and was an entity that was lying to me.

But yeah, the movie was playing out my own life story. Hard to describe, but I was hallucinating a different movie from what my "parents" were seeing. That tells me the whole experience was probably another simulation. I can't watch Spirit of the Forest now without getting giddy.

[Unbound]

Ooh, you mean your parents. So, maybe it was meaning that your parents aren't in the same state of perception as you. As in not in the same level of vibration?