Ra on marijuana

[Jade]

Thank you guys for being so open discussing your marijuana use. I enjoy reading it, mostly because I am still seeking within myself for the answers to the pull it has.

I know that eventually it will fall away but at the time I am not denying myself. I have a few flimsy excuses that I hide behind but the fact is, I'm not sure I need it as a medication anymore. But my husband legitimately does. Even if just a small part, part of me does it to not make him feel self-conscious or off-put.

I had the realization today that using it means that I don't accept myself as-is, and only altered, and I'm not sure I'm okay with that anymore.

I never want to leave it behind entirely, I don't think, but I do look forward to when I don't crave it for daily use.

Hmmm however a jade pipe sounds rad.

[Fastidious Emanations]

intuitive choice.
I almost just contradicted myself but I'll keep that thought to digest.

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making statements is contradictory

[isis]

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[Fastidious Emanations]

ahahaaa that is all well with me!

[Fastidious Emanations]

I don't see it as a medication any more, I literally see it as the friend with whom which much spiritual seeking has been partnered in/with on a 'personal' level.
And much more to come.
I don't need to recommend/disadvocate any using of anything as all proceedings are the Creator 'doing' Itself.

[AnthroHeart]

The One reveals Itself to Itself in such meticulous and fascinating ways, states one facet of Creator to It's other limitless portal.

I like what you say here. If I understand correctly the Creator is always learning from itself. And that Creator is limitless. But we with the veil are very limited. I can't imagine how much potential we would have without it.

[Fastidious Emanations]

I like what you say here. If I understand correctly the Creator is always learning from itself. And that Creator is limitless. But we with the veil are very limited. I can't imagine how much potential we would have without it.

imagine that the main purpose of the veiling process is to aid in polarization, essentially helping us to become One again in a more passionate and exciting way. Like handicapping the experience for 3D, so that it becomes a sort of tipping/turning point for 'future' becoming.
It's fun right? Remembering everything and then forgetting everything, etc..? It seems dumb to me until I detach from the limitations of my perspective and give up on grasping to know. But I usually forget that after, hehe. Discipline!

[AnthroHeart]

When I've passed on and remember everything again, it's going to be worth it. This short time I'll have spent in incarnation. I want to spend a few centuries on the other side really learning about my experience on this side. I'm sure I'll have a really in depth life review.

I never thought of it before as a cycle of remembering and forgetting again. But that does seem like the best way to polarize. If we can remember while we're here our mission, we'll be so much better off.

Thank you for letting me know the main purpose of veiling is to polarize. I sometimes forget that and look on the downside of it. I miss the unconditional love we feel on the other side of the veil. But this life will go fast, and then I'll be free again. Thank goodness.

[Fastidious Emanations]

hahaha it is funny because you were free to incarnate here and you are free at any time to remember, though this is not an idea which the veiled consciousness easily adapts to.
And, from personal experience, it would seem that we would only remember just as much as what is valid or required to aid in this experience anyway. Too much variation in information is not easily distilled into anything comprehensible/palatable for 3rd density.
My greatest confusion lies in the evolution from 3D vessel to 4D vessel (with social-memory complex status/ability) because there must then rationally be some alteration in the subconscious veiling for so-called dual activated individuals.

Though these details are obviously nothing to be concerned about.

[AnthroHeart]

For the dual-bodied individual striving to activate their 4D body, I think these details are very important to know.

[Fastidious Emanations]

I think for the D/A individual, faith would be the key component or will, if these differ at all.
the second activation would either be 'by surprise' or seem 'natural' probably, I mean.. ;0

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[Bat]

I gave it up after having a panic attack on the 21st after about 7-8 years of smoking.

[Fastidious Emanations]

did you have any kind of spasms?

[AnthroHeart]

MJ made dubstep videos look freaky to me.

[Parsons]

I recently got a pretty bad cold (possibly a respiratory infection), so I have quit the MJ for a couple of weeks now. I was planning on quitting very soon anyways since I was running out and for a number of different reasons.

I consider MJ to be a great fulcrum which greatly assisted me in my awakening process. Over time as I progressed, it became more and more a crutch.

After I made the decision that I was going to quit, my relationship with the substance greatly changed. It became less and less enjoyable to the point where I suffered negative feelings when consuming it most of the time. It got to the point where I felt like a chore to consume it anymore, like I was just trying to get through it so I wouldn't waste the last of it that I went through so much effort to grow.

I have decided that I will almost certainly not consume it again and will dispose of what's left of it soon.

I have felt really amazing since stopping it. My mental clarity is to a level never before experienced in this incarnation. I think that is partially due to the gotu kola I have been consuming regularly for quite a long time now. I don't feel random, unexplained depression or paranoia any more, and when I do feel depressed, it's much less marked than before. I have also felt like I have more energy and have been eating less (especially high sugar foods). I have already dropped 5 pounds and have been excercising, meditating, and star gazing in the time I would spend on MJ.

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[Fang]

Guys, this is the forum to study the LOO as presented by Ra/Don/Carla/Jim. As much fun as it is to talk about our personal relationships with mary jane this really isn't the place lol.

[isis]

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[Fastidious Emanations]

Parsons I am suffering the same troubles but i dont want to stop as there seems to be nothing comparable in my life at this time in terms of companionship.

[isis]

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[Fastidious Emanations]

I already know of this, thanks though friend.
Y'all can stop sending me loves then!
Yes the unravelling is in my idea that is trying to change other's, there is only the ever changing self which is unchanging lol.
Still forcing itself to accept Creation.
Maybe that is just how the Destructive persona developed, the necessity for the ending of cycles so the program can fully complete and the Creator experiences itself fully 'again'.. idk

[Jade]

I'm sure we could start a new thread somewhere (Treesmokers' Treehouse?) or have an admin separate the posts, but I think we all have complex relationships with the plant that are affected by Ra's words on the subject. I doubt most of us would consider quitting and struggling with that as often as we do if we hadn't come across the Law of One. Even if the instructions were for Carla, it obviously still resonates with a lot of us.

I plan on quitting within the next day or two, as I believe I'm ready.

Love you guys, thanks for being awesome.

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[Zachary]

I say forget deciphering Ra's view on Marijuana...

the question is..does it serve you?

Marijuana affects people differently...no need to find reasons to justify using it....if it serves you, very good...if it doesn't...why do you continue to use it? (rhetorical)

I personally use marijuana off and on...For the past 2 weeks ive smoked every night..and overall I would say it has served me in remembering to enjoy life, to stop taking things so seriously and to keep my attention in the moment...

There are times It hasn't served me. I used to be mentally/physically addicted to it and felt I needed it...

So I say be honest with yourself, and don't worry about an outside opinion...you know whats best for you.

[sarina]

I believe Ra was referring to the effect "the marijuana" would have on Carla (theoretically) as the instrument or channel of their communications. It wasn't a moral or health judgement. Marijuana is a a herb. Like cilantro.

[irpsit]

I enjoyed reading your account of your personal change!!

I tend to dislike people that have a thing against marijuana, not because of the thing itself, but because those people tend to be pretty much conservative, right wing minds. Something I dislike.

I smoke just maybe once a month nowadays, but I find it fun to do it, when I do it. Its not so available where I live, otherwise I would smoke probably once or twice a week. For me, marijuana, or alcohol, are drugs just like chocolate. A bit indulgence is good, consumption should be spaced in small doses, excesses are not so desirable.

Marijuana is very good to have visions and insights. Also to get more inspiration. Not so good to remember things, lol. Not good if you need to stay motivated and focused in your daily life. Good is you want to chill out and relax excessive emotions. Good for social interaction. Not so good for sexual encounters. Not so good for meditation and yoga. But good for music and other creative endeavours. Not good if you are prone to anxiety. But its a good pain killer. And of course, its very good for a good long laught.

Ahh, it should be legal. It is just a plant with an interesting impact in our mind and energetic body.

I have to throw my hat in with the positive people here as well. I grew up in a religious home, so before 17-18 I stayed away from nearly everything - booze and drugs. I can safely say that Marijuana completely turned my worldview around; before I started smoking, I was a capitalistic, republican-leaning "future business leader" ready to take my share of the pie.

Smoking opened up a world that it seemed my higher self had been calling upon for a very long time. My personality at that point was very accessible; I was extremely social and a bit of a 'class clown' that craved attention from people. Marijuana allowed me to see how I was allowing culture and society shape who I was becoming. I was following all the preached 'paths to glory' - business school, happy hours, etc. What I had never thought about was what my heart wanted rather than my brain; Marijuana put that into focus for myself.

@Azrael - I just made my way through a period much like what you describe with the anxiety and such around not smoking. Having a baby cured me, but I don't know if that's the most responsible solution for everyone...

Marijuana is definitely a great social equalizer for those with nervous issues. What is really the greater sin? Smoking a little to cut the edge or popping Xantacs and having an extra couple glasses of wine instead? Just as we are all one, each of our paths are our own. We must remember to thank each other for our service.

[xise]

FYI, I am writing this sober. (though there's nothing wrong with posting high as your intuition and creativity can be at amazing levels as I will describe below). So I've revisited weekly marijuana smoking after a basically 4 year lull where I was smoking maybe 6 times a year. Weed in the past helped me think in new ways, but also ended up not being enjoyable after almost 2 straight years of almost daily smoking. In the past, I also probably used it to probably avoid catalyst as this was pre-awakening.



Weed the past two weeks is a significantly different experience than I've ever done before. I don't know if its the ray related work I've done, if its the weed I'm smoking, or if its because of the break in usage, but I've noticed creativity increases far surpassing what I used to get. Perhaps its a combination of all three. Now when I smoke, I go on a philosophy/story telling writing spree. My creativity goes through the roof. I amaze myself even while sober with the things I've thought up lately.


Also, what I use to call paranoia in the past now seems like inserted thoughts or voices. I'm fairly sure of myself these days and confident (red/orange/yellow), so I usually have no trouble with those naysaying voices anymore. But there are is also another voice, a deeper voice, that has a particular characteristic to me, that sounds like a better version of myself. I get intuitive thoughts from that voice out of no where. It's amazing. Before I wasn't completely sure, but now I am convinced that weed can be used positively in the spiritual journey for certain individuals. And I totally get why so many artists smoke so often. It all makes sense.


Time for me to go find some paint.

[Unbound]

You are getting to know the Daeva of the plant more deeply and realizing more truly the nature of the experience.

The spirit of the Cannabis plant is very powerful and I think a lot of people underestimate it.

[Jeremy]

FYI, I am writing this sober. (though there's nothing wrong with posting high as your intuition and creativity can be at amazing levels as I will describe below). So I've revisited weekly marijuana smoking after a basically 4 year lull where I was smoking maybe 6 times a year. Weed in the past helped me think in new ways, but also ended up not being enjoyable after almost 2 straight years of almost daily smoking. In the past, I also probably used it to probably avoid catalyst as this was pre-awakening.



Weed in this past two weeks is a significantly different experience than I've ever done before. I don't know if its the ray related work I've done, if its the weed I'm smoking, or if its because of the break in usage, but I've noticed creativity increases far surpassing what I used to get. Perhaps its a combination of all three. Now when I smoke, I go on a philosophy/story telling writing spree. My creativity goes through the roof. I amaze myself even while sober with the things I've thought up lately.


Also, what I use to call paranoia in the past now seems like inserted thoughts or voices. I'm fairly sure of myself these days and confident (red/orange/yellow), so I usually have no trouble with those naysaying voices anymore. But there are is also another voice, a deeper voice, that has a particular characteristic to me, that sounds like a better version of myself. I get intuitive thoughts from that voice out of no where. It's amazing. Before I wasn't completely sure, but now I am convinced that weed can be positively in the spiritual journey with respect for certain individuals. And I totally get why so many artists smoke so often. It all makes sense.


Time for me to go find some paint.

That's awesome brother! I get the same creativity with alcohol for some reason. I don't know if you've ever perused my notes on Facebook but I have 10-15 of them that are mostly alcohol induced. The calming effects quiet this ever racing monkey mind of mine where a thought will literally appear in my mind and I just start typing away.

I've never really gotten the calming effects from cannabis while smoking by myself. I generally get the paranoia where my mind goes absolutely haywire and I can't seem I calm it though maybe I should take that as a sign as there is work to be done