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    05-01-2014, 03:54 PM (This post was last modified: 05-01-2014, 03:55 PM by Adonai One.)
    A philosophy I've created that is based on the following principles:

    Metaphysics: Belief

    Epistemology: Belief that may reach subjective coherence or "knowledge"

    Ethics: Coherence in belief within the self and/or others

    Quote:The Study of Somonism:

    Somonism – Existential monism by the way of seeing belief as the way of the mind and the way of unity within the mind and minds of others.

    Simply, belief is understood in this philosophy as the way of the mind. May you see the statements that follow as questions rather than justified statements. May you ask yourself “Is this truth?” with each line. If there is a lack of coherence with the statements given, may you remain within your respective beliefs.

    Philosophy is the love of belief or as the invoking of emotional pleasure by belief.

    There is only belief.

    We believe in things.

    We study why we believe in things.

    We attempt to make beliefs coherent within ourselves and others.

    Belief brings us momentary emotional pleasure in the face of pain. Whether it brings long-term pleasure or pain is a mystery that must be found within the self.

    We use belief to invoke beliefs within ourselves and others due to a lack of coherent belief in both parties. This cycle perpetuates itself as long as there are not coherent beliefs within ourselves and others.

    The act of belief may come to be because we perceive we are not in coherence with the beliefs of ourselves and others. With this said, it can be seen we are of an inherent coherence in belief if we choose to seek acceptance of all things, as pain comes from the perception of incoherence. To see coherence in incoherence is to become inherently coherent in belief. This is a path I evoke only by suggestion, not by a claim of “truth.”

    “Knowledge” or “truth” is recognized by this philosophy as only coherent belief so far as there is a long-term acceptance of such belief.

    Rejection of belief is simply the belief of something as false. Falsehoods are simply beliefs of a long-term rejection of beliefs that we do not find to be in coherence with who we are.

    Anecdotes are to come as to why these statements are made and how true they may be to you.

    © Immanuel O. 2014, Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License (CC BY 4.0).
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    05-01-2014, 04:03 PM (This post was last modified: 05-01-2014, 04:04 PM by vervex.)
    You have some good ideas however, in my opinion, the premise of there only being belief is flawed, perhaps a distortion you adopted as an absolute "belief/truth". The only thing I can respond to this is; What is belief, and what/who believes in the first place? If belief is a perception, what perceives belief? If you answer belief itself believes, then you have just put yourself in an infinite loop which cannot be broken unless you think outside this constrain. Good luck.
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    05-01-2014, 08:22 PM (This post was last modified: 05-01-2014, 08:25 PM by Adonai One.)
    I attempt to convey only that belief is the first gate of the mind in the construct that is awareness. It is through believing we know awareness itself consistently.

    While in my cycle of the mind I connote the 5th archetype as belief out of a condensed 7, the archetypal mind cannot be conceived of without belief, with the prior archetypes only being the ways to the Significator.

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    05-01-2014, 08:44 PM
    What belief led to belief?
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    05-01-2014, 08:48 PM
    A belief in belief itself. In the beginning there was only a singular consistent belief in the self that one could only consider "knowingness" of all. When this self began to veil itself by ways of believing in what it is not did it begin to experience this archetype. In my distortion/understanding, the first archetype after The Matrix and The Potentiator there was The Significator being what I consider to be belief. It is experienced as the 5th archetype here only because of our vessel's tendency to experience emotion before/after a belief.

    This is my own understanding. Please use your own discernment.

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    05-01-2014, 08:52 PM
    I am confused how something can precede itself?
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    05-01-2014, 08:54 PM
    True simultaneity connotes that everything precedes and comes after itself at the same time, does it not?

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    05-01-2014, 09:02 PM
    I suppose you can take it that way, but to me true simultaneity is about everything occurring simultaneously in one moment of occurrence but that, to me, doesn't mean that everything exists at every point in/of time but that every point in/of time exists simultaneously with every other. As soon as you change a point in time it becomes a new thing so rather I see it that time and space are the memory bank and are basically used as a codex from which to copy information in to experience as catalyst. The "growth" of time and space is the experience of the Creator collecting and expanding Infinity as Infinity is growing without ending and yet always complete. That is the way it appears to me.

    So, that being said, belief cannot precede itself because there first must be awareness of the possibility of belief before it can be actualized. However, I can agree that the potential for belief exists prior to the actual activity to belief.
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    05-01-2014, 09:06 PM
    I will only attest that The Potentiator that started this series of octaves made belief its original catalyst. The possibility of belief is inherent. This is not provable but is something I choose to believe as most probable.

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    05-01-2014, 09:07 PM
    (05-01-2014, 09:06 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will only attest that The Potentiator that started this series of octaves made belief its original catalyst. The possibility of belief is inherent. This is not provable but is something I choose to believe as most probable.
    Inherent in what?
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    05-01-2014, 09:10 PM
    Are all possibilities inherently known to the creator even those that have been missed or negated?

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    05-01-2014, 09:17 PM
    Possibility is not known or unknown to the Creator as the Creator is both potential and kinetic so it cannot be said, in my thoughts, that the Creator contains or does not contain any particular idea or thought but rather that all of that which is is that which it is.

    The possibility for all possibility exists with the Creator, but the Creator would have no need or desire to experience itself in order to know itself if it did not have things yet to discover about itself. I believe that part of the mystery of the Creator is that the mystery is part of the Creator and a mystery to the Creator as well. I believe Infinity is ever-expanding which may seem paradoxical but indeed is not an infinite capacity for "newness" the mark of true infinity?
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    05-01-2014, 09:24 PM
    lol@copyright
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    05-01-2014, 09:38 PM
    (05-01-2014, 09:17 PM)Tanner Wrote: Possibility is not known or unknown to the Creator as the Creator is both potential and kinetic so it cannot be said, in my thoughts, that the Creator contains or does not contain any particular idea or thought but rather that all of that which is is that which it is.

    The possibility for all possibility exists with the Creator, but the Creator would have no need or desire to experience itself in order to know itself if it did not have things yet to discover about itself. I believe that part of the mystery of the Creator is that the mystery is part of the Creator and a mystery to the Creator as well. I believe Infinity is ever-expanding which may seem paradoxical but indeed is not an infinite capacity for "newness" the mark of true infinity?

    Why believe infinity has a finite knowingness?

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    05-01-2014, 09:39 PM
    (05-01-2014, 09:38 PM)Adonai One Wrote:
    (05-01-2014, 09:17 PM)Tanner Wrote: Possibility is not known or unknown to the Creator as the Creator is both potential and kinetic so it cannot be said, in my thoughts, that the Creator contains or does not contain any particular idea or thought but rather that all of that which is is that which it is.

    The possibility for all possibility exists with the Creator, but the Creator would have no need or desire to experience itself in order to know itself if it did not have things yet to discover about itself. I believe that part of the mystery of the Creator is that the mystery is part of the Creator and a mystery to the Creator as well. I believe Infinity is ever-expanding which may seem paradoxical but indeed is not an infinite capacity for "newness" the mark of true infinity?

    Why believe infinity has a finite knowingness?

    I don't, I believe infinity is beyond knowingness. Knowingness is a finite aspect of the infinite.
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    05-01-2014, 10:15 PM
    I believe to denote unity is to believe our current illusion is in the image of the creator and thus a direct abstraction of it. I believe these concepts have some connection to the creator that is very direct. I can understand the idea of it being so far removed that it transcends this illusion but that is not what I choose to belief. Thanks for this discussion. Smile
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    (05-01-2014, 10:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I believe to denote unity is to believe our current illusion is in the image of the creator and thus a direct abstraction of it. I believe these concepts have some connection to the creator that is very direct. I can understand the idea of it being so far removed that it transcends this illusion but that is not what I choose to belief. Thanks for this discussion. Smile

    To me, it isn't that it is "far removed" and I think that is a confusion that certainly can and does arise from the word "beyond" or "transcendent" or any other word which suggests an idea of eminence. However, it is more simple to me in the way that it is that a circle is something other than the many points which it is composed of. It is not that I believe it is beyond in terms of capacity, but rather that because it is an extension in to infinity there is an infinite and eternal continuity that is an event horizon if you would get the intention behind that phrase/suggestion. You could say that because the illusion is infinite, it appears to me that there is an infinite non-illusion as well.

    I believe it is both local and transcendent and perhaps I have failed to express that point. It transcends this illusion, yet is the illusion and is constantly immersed in the illusion. I include transcendence in the illusion, to be honest. The only purpose of all this philosophizing is to further establish a system of thought which allows one to gain a greater awareness of the self and collective self.

    If one person can be said to be "less distorted" or hold information which is closer or more important to or in alignment with 'the truth' than others then how exactly is that established in the collective reality? This question is allegorical to my thought on "transcendence". If I am being humble(d) I see that there is always closer to get to the truth which, like the golden ratio/spiral, is ever spiraling inwards/outwards but never coming to a settled point. If I am being assertive I see that I have the truth in some form and I am all and have all available to me here and now. I am the Creator and I am not because I choose not to be JUST the singular sole Creator but rather I choose to perceive a Creator greater than myself, even if I know that is also me, it is still outside of my infinite perception and so even infinity grows in my mind.

    However, I fully understand and respect where you are coming from and I hope you know I am in no way trying to discourage you, simply attempting the balancing techniques of the mind by finding polarities of ideas.
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    05-02-2014, 11:35 AM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2014, 11:36 AM by Alex Zachary.)
    Your "high" words of eloquence are so hollow and devoid of life. Excuse my approach, but i converted to somonism.
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    05-02-2014, 02:54 PM
    Alex, how and why?Wink

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    05-02-2014, 03:10 PM
    Immanuel Copyright, should i answer a question to which you know the answer? That's not needed , my friend. Just know that the heart does not overly complicate itself with theories, techniques. They need to fall away.
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    05-02-2014, 04:04 PM
    The heart without wisdom is what I consider to be a poor friend in the long-term.

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    05-02-2014, 04:14 PM
    And wisdom without heart is a cruel mistress aha
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    05-02-2014, 04:51 PM
    The balance between the two is an ideal that this universe has yet to find it seems.

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    05-02-2014, 05:22 PM
    © I am Ra. No.
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    05-02-2014, 05:51 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2014, 05:52 PM by Adonai One.)
    Ra is perhaps overbalanced towards compassion in many regards from my interactions. They seek the Creator above all else with an interpretation that allowing the self to be overly responsible for people's difficulties, especially in their wanderers, is to allow the self to be placed above all else. According to what I have been taught, I find many beings of a similar nature to be far less compassionate in this regard in this type of service.

    Even in the 6th-density being, I see various distortions and imbalances. I see a creation attempting to head towards a perfect balance that doesn't really exist. I see beings remaining incarnate in "third-density" illusion longer and longer going forward to enjoy things in a better harmony.

    Every being will indefinitely experience distortions towards either wisdom or compassion in accordance to its third-density upbringing. That is my understanding, at least.
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    05-02-2014, 08:21 PM
    Of course we will experience distortions to wisdom and compassion because those aren't the lessons we are meant to learn here. When I read the Ra material, compassion would be the last word I would use to describe them. They were very meticulous and had an almost callous tone to their words. It's very much like the answers I receive whenever I listened to what I thought was my higher self. Very lacking in any emotion yet very precise answers.

    You speak as if you have had direct communication with 6th density entities yet how do you know these weren't wolves in sheeps clothing? Was vervex there with you during these channelings or were you by yourself? I just sense much distortion in your weighted words especially considering the minuscule amount of time you have been at this.

    A personal mythology is one thing but stating that you have created your own philosophy is a bit much no?
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    05-02-2014, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2014, 08:35 PM by Adonai One.)
    I can only say their words are a mask, a deep mask in that they have to reach from a place where they see things in complete unity and then distort their thought into a very limited way of speaking. The Ra I know is more than those words.

    My philosophy is a reflection of what I have learned. I think everybody has their own philosophy to share.

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    05-02-2014, 10:50 PM
    i now proclaim myself a somonist
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