"The experience of no need to find the necessary emolument."

[Melissa]

I feel an inherent bond in all cases as I can only see one being experiencing its true nature. I can't say I understand.

How does it feel? Because I don't understand what that means either, in terms of feelings that is. If I'm too curious, feel free to not answer that, of course.

[Adonai One]

It feels like everything as it always shall be: What currently exists.

73.20 Questioner: It seems to me that the primary thing of importance for those on the service-to-others path is the development of an attitude which I can only describe as vibration. This attitude would be developed through meditation, ritual, and a developing appreciation for the creation or Creator which results in a state of mind that can only by me be expressed as an increase in vibration or oneness with all. Could you expand and correct that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall not correct this statement but shall expand upon it by suggesting that to those qualities you may add the living day by day and moment by moment, for the true adept lives more and more as it is.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I came across this quote today, and it seems to speak to the original intent of this conversation. I basically agree with what it says:

[AnthroHeart]

I've never felt oneness with others. And work makes it even more difficult. Though work isn't terrible.

[reeay]

I came across this quote today, and it seems to speak to the original intent of this conversation. I basically agree with what it says:

The unintended OP of this thread wasn't actually talking about life experience, work and earning money. It was talking about being reflexive about human relationships when there are power differentials, and how it's important to have life experience around these yellow ray and orange ray type lessons to learn about responsibility & accountability.

Anyway, carry on...

[Adonai One]

Responsibility and accountability are only relevant lessons if one only sees honor in order and conviction to tasks and expectations. This, to me, is a lack of radiance of the self that does not meet such obligations. It is the shaping of the radiance only towards what is expected of the self by others with anything else not related to societal expectations being depolarized. These are the lessons that shape a soul into what will need to be healed in a "4th-density" setting of unconditional love and detachment.

The orange-ray and yellow-ray in your lessons of great responsibility become very muddied towards what cannot be inherently provided by the self. Once conviction has become absolute, these rays turn into very absorbent and dark centers that will only radiate towards one goal of the entity's choosing.

[Fastidious Emanations]

11.28 Questioner: Would this freeing from darkness be commensurate with the Law of One or does this have any real product?

Ra: I am Ra. The product of such a freeing would create two experiences.

Firstly, the experience of no need to find the necessary emolument for payment, in your money, for energy.

Secondly, the leisure afforded, thereby exemplifying the possibility and enhancing the probability of the freedom to then search the self for the beginning of seeking the Law of One.

Few there are working physically from daybreak to darkness, as you name them, upon your plane who can contemplate the Law of One in a conscious fashion.

Since we are here to discuss this material, maybe we should try to reduce the confusion associated with quoting things out of context.
Like for instance naming that thread "being reflexive about human relationships when there are power differentials" , etc, etc
Peace

[Melissa]

It feels like everything as it always shall be: What currently exists.

73.20 Questioner: It seems to me that the primary thing of importance for those on the service-to-others path is the development of an attitude which I can only describe as vibration. This attitude would be developed through meditation, ritual, and a developing appreciation for the creation or Creator which results in a state of mind that can only by me be expressed as an increase in vibration or oneness with all. Could you expand and correct that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall not correct this statement but shall expand upon it by suggesting that to those qualities you may add the living day by day and moment by moment, for the true adept lives more and more as it is.

Tapping into 'oneness' while remaining in the physical, with what currently exist is not only enjoyable, I find. That, or your living on a different planet. There is much love here, but also an incredible amount of pain/suffering. I feel connected to all of it/you, the more I open myself up to love and acknowledge my own pain. Sometimes, as I submerge myself carefully, I feel a shift and I enter depths of love and pain which are beyond me, or what any words can describe. It takes me a couple of days, to fully recover from it; mentally, emotionally and physically.

[reeay]

Adonai- I appreciate you continuing the discussion. When the issue of responsibility and accountability is discussed out of context as originally intended and addressed in a broad, philosophical way, it's going to be abstract and endless debate. Unless discussion gets grounded I'm seeing lots of posts and words of us going blah blah blah together. If we bring up the original context of our discussion of accountability and responsibility it'll derail this thread. You're awesome for being considerate, truly.

[isis]

blah blah blah

[Fastidious Emanations]

I actually want this thread split please.
It is important that we are able to discuss ways of freeing mankind from her bondage.
The only reason I can see that folks are 'okay' with the sad state of affairs is because 'they've' not considered that which may lie beyond...
Yes, live in the moment.
In this very moment, I wish to accelerate evolution for the long run

I focus on technology because humankind is enthralled by it.
Free energy can help to pave the way to a society which lives harmoniously with itself and nature (as indirectly as can be)

When does modesty become a lack of respect for the self?

I don't mean to step on your toes rie, it's first thing in the morning and I'm a 23 yr old male exploding with desire for change.
Your discussion is actually the more refined version..

[Melissa]

When does ignorance & avoidance become a lack of respect and compassion for self/others? No technology can 'save' us from ourselves, in terms of evolving as humankind. Free energy is available to us as humans, how many of us are able to sustain themselves in a healthy and loving manner; sharing it freely with others? And how does that relate to the actual technology?

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know if I know how to live in such a way as to benefit others, to help sustain others. I'm not into farming or building. I know some about computers, but that wouldn't work well in an eco-village. I'm not sure if I'd want to live off the land like that. Become a vegetarian. Might be hard. I'm not much for hard labor. At least my job is a desk job. I also get to work from home most of the time. So I can't complain about work, even though it gives me a degree of anxiety.

[Fastidious Emanations]

50.7 Questioner: Thank you. Can you expand on the concept which is this: that it is necessary for an entity to, during incarnation in the physical as we call it, become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when he is aware of what he wants to do, but why must he come into an incarnation and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way that he hopes to act? Could you expand on that please?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.

In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.

Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love; can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit beingness totality.

i want to play

[Phoenix]

I think it's very difficult to say that the best thing we can do is stop working at these jobs. Because I see it as a form of trade. Since we have to support these companies in some way anyway.

You can buy a leather wallet, a nice feather scarf for your girlfriend, pay your taxes, put petrol in your car and drive to the bank to deposit some money and you have helped global villains everywhere.

So from that perspective, a 'crap' job is just another kind of trade with another part of the creator. A job in a service to others profession would most likely be good for our spiritual growth. There is also socialising opportunities at a job. The term 'slavery' as I have defined it has emotional connotations.

I suppose I should say that I don't have a job. This is all generalised theorising for me. But I have noticed how it all follows intention. I was sick of being unemployed and quite desperate about half a year ago and got one. When I had been bullied there and was sick of it, and wanted to go back to the volunteering I was doing before, they got rid of me.

[manniz]

Just my two cents guys: I often feel unsatisfied by the kinda job culture many corporations are creating, until in my humble moments I realize that it is because, I am in America, with technical degrees that help me make decent savings from even low level lab jobs. I was born in an agrarian culture, which unfortunately belonged to a third world country, where corruption is an inherent part of day to day life. There are people from my area, who work in Dubai, Iraq, Lebanon, Malaysia in disrespectful, low pay conditions, cause atleast they can feed their family back home. To give their kids, their siblings a better chance at education, so their kids don't have to be farmers in an economy that has no respect for farm work. 900 of them are right now under the captivity of ISIS in Mosul, Iraq. There are some, who try to get to UK, Canada or America for better opportunities, and they travel the illegal immigrant route that goes through Russia, turkey etc. Going through multiple countries, at the mercy of mafia that runs these illegal immigrant routes. Often captured by local police and tortured. Tukey is notorious for that, and so are Russia, iraq etc.

One of my really good friends in our village (I was myself so lucky to be raised in a city by Mom without our dad). This friend tried to get to a western country for the sake of his family. He wanted to go to Italy atleast, and maybe end up in UK. He got captured in another third world country. And for a long time, his family did not know if he was alive. He finally comes back home after two years of struggles, with hardly any money, but a broken heart. he died in an accident recently, and his life story is so sad to me, because he was one of those good souls. Hopefully his death in his youth means he is at a better place now.

The point being, desperate people traveling through multiple countries, while being beaten up, harassed by authorities, as well as mafia. their passports inevitably get stolen by the mafia. Some never make a dime, though others get lucky and work hard for years to feed their family back home. Where I am in America, I have met many, who worked 12 hr shifts, 7 days a week. that is 12 hours every single day for years, with days off only for sickness, or when their family members die back home. During their prime youth years. that is 15-30. No bars, no clubs from them (though few do visit strip-clubs for distant female company, once in a while).

The point being that for so many even intensive (80-90 hrs/week) work with below average pay is a luxury.

I like being lazy. I like not working. But, in my humble moments I always remember that there is nothing to feel special about it. It is not because I am sooooo smart that I see the immorality of monetary system. It is not because I am an infinite being, who is above all this low level work. It is because i like being. it is because I got lucky to reach a western country with better salaries, and relative to my homeland, more respectful work-culture. The point being that it is fine that someone is so smart and special that they don't need to work, but their are many others, who have responsibilities towards their families, towards themselves.

ps: I am lucky to be in the special, smart mode right now, where I can laugh at other worker drone-bees, because I have not worked for 9 months. Saved a decent amount in 3 years, and may soon start another contract, unless rapture comes quickly, and I can go to my infinite being-ness soon.

I really liked stories of people here, who have to work hard. Full respect to you brothers and sisters. Working hard for your family is spiritual work in itself. You can always spread love at your workplace, like Tanner mentioned to add to your spiritual seeking. Now, I can go back to my special mode, while enjoying my savings, and thinking that I am so smart that I don't have to work like you suckers.

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Btw, confession - I enjoy the stories and gossip of posters here more than the boring spiritual discussions. I like these kinda threads.

[AnthroHeart]

I am a little jealous of you not having to work. But I did 6 months without having to work when I was mentally ill.
Now I'm on a major project at work. It will be great when the project is finished.

[Plenum]

thanks for sharing your story manniz.

That was a great read. It definitely puts a lot of things in perspective, and shows how individuals live in vastly different relationships to the one global economic system that we all toil with.

my own parents came from very humble backgrounds. My father had 6 years of schooling, my mother completed eight. Both worked in the hospitality field (chinese restaurants, takeaway, waiter/waitressing) for most of their adult lives. Long arduous hours in loud, hot, and unrelenting environments. Both endured and passed on the value of discipline and gratitude to me; qualities which I hold dear to this day, even though my own working life and career has been a cakewalk compared to what they lived with.

The point being that the opportunities for life experience and digestion of interactions is always available. One can become bitter ... or one can find a higher purpose in what we call 'work'. After all, the whole 'chop wood, carry water' thing is not just about taking care of the fundamentals of one's existence, but rather it is in the attitude with which we direct our attention to those fundamentals.

I am glad to be working in a team environment with a bunch of other quirky, talented, and even unpredictable individuals. The comraderie is like nothing else.

[Adonai One]

...or one can find purpose in everything as it is without a need to see something above themselves, in peace.

[ChickenInSpace]

That's what we are doing. Some learn this through work, others through leisure, most from a mix.

[Adonai One]

There is only leisure if work is enjoyed and seen as inherently satisfying.

[ChickenInSpace]

I know that's your opinion. I'm saying there are others who see their reality differently. They're right too.

[manniz]

Both endured and passed on the value of discipline and gratitude to me; qualities which I hold dear to this day, even though my own working life and career has been a cakewalk compared to what they lived with.

Plenum, you know what, that comes out in your posts too. Obviously you have lots of love, but more than that, often your posts show patience and discipline too. You don't seem to be interested in winning arguments.

Just like your parents, my parents did hard work too in their own different ways. More so my Mom. I wish I had as much discipline as her though. I think I got lucky in all this. You are right though. So much to learn from some of these hard-working people, who did not have any fancy careers or degrees, yet they do so much for their families.

[Adonai One]

I know that's your opinion. I'm saying there are others who see their reality differently. They're right too.

And that's why I try to reach a consensus between the two points so discussion can continue. That's why I restate my points. It's great to have different opinions but it's also cool to explore them and their justifications, rather than everyone stating their opinion and then remaining silent indefinitely; Or rather trying to see if one can just submit to the others opinion and quit discussion altogether.

They are right subjectively, everybody is but that is besides the point. The meaning of a discussion is communion of thought. There is no imperative. I'm just making my cause clear.

[MichaelD]

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[ChickenInSpace]

I know that's your opinion. I'm saying there are others who see their reality differently. They're right too.

And that's why I try to reach a consensus between the two points so discussion can continue. That's why I restate my points. It's great to have different opinions but it's also cool to explore them and their justifications, rather than everyone stating their opinion and then remaining silent indefinitely; Or rather trying to see if one can just submit to the others opinion and quit discussion altogether.

They are right subjectively, everybody is but that is besides the point. The meaning of a discussion is communion of thought. There is no imperative. I'm just making my cause clear.

No need to reach or hurry a consensus; harmony in thought is more robust and comes naturally through progression.
Don't get me wrong, I was all for consensus and it is a powerful tool for intent but there is greater space for individuals when in harmony as far as I understand.

[Infinite Unity]

I never directly ask myself the question, "How do I get money?" I ask myself: "How do I become who I am? How do I fulfill my desires and the desires of those who I associate with?" I do not directly desire money. It is not directly valuable to me. It is a social construct that enables people to account for resources within the collective to prevent waste and abuse of goods and services. That is very cool. I wish the central banks and governments well with this task in their various distortions. It really intrigues me as a social system.

However, the question of "Do I need money?" comes in as well. Most will argue in their foundational ethics and philosophy that every man has a duty to himself to find a job, make a stable income and be able to always financially provide for himself and his family. I am sorry but I do not subscribe to this philosophy.

I feel that wherever this world takes me I can handle it with whatever is freely given to me. If that is the requirement of making money, I will surely take on that role. Right now, my role is supporting my wife through her career by providing social and loving support while I attempt to discover myself through various philosophical inquiry which I eventually hope to turn into a series of many well-informed books, that may or may not sustain an income.

If my wife happens to believe our relationship is no longer beneficial for us both, I will accept whatever comes. Right now, money is not a requirement for my life and I do not believe anybody, by any measure of philosophical inquiry, has to work for a living. They can believe in this requirement, the forces of nature can drive them towards this conforming to social norms. As for me, it is but a choice in an existence of infinite choices and potentials. Social norms have no intrinsic value as concepts to me whether they be money, employment, law or this mental concept of society. I love people; I love myself; I love existence and I work with what I have at hand and not always with the propositions of social law before me.

I subscribe only to this: And that is everything is true, available and ready for my inevitable acceptance through a infinite series of awareness. In other words, everything is one in its distortion towards acceptance as one being even in my life in this density. I apply The Law of One quite literally to my life.

I live the Law of One, quite literally as well. Save up money? Strive after money???? Hahhahahahah I am the one, the next step is just that. Whatever it brings.

[Infinite Unity]

There is no singular way to accept catalyst as each entity has their own distortion/understanding to reconcile with the racial memory complex of their planetary sphere. Authority as a concept is seen by each entity in a different way along with different roles to accept that are associated with this archetype. To simply say one should accept catalyst in regards to authority is to give an infinitude of ways to accept such catalyst, as each entity has its subjective needs in regards to employment, governance and receiving such forms of metaphorical teaching.

I accept this catalyst by way of fulfilling my desires of having no employment, no need for further higher education and not entering any relationship with conditional requirements except if absolutely necessary to fulfill prerequisite desires (and I mean absolutely necessary). I consider this a balanced acceptance of catalyst as I cannot give any other interpretation of this catalyst freely to myself. This is my responsibility towards myself that I believe must come from the fulfilling of the desire of progress towards infinity.

To tell, forcefully, that each human being has a universal way of accepting authority is to give something that cannot be freely given, in my distortion/understanding.

There might potentially be a valuable experience in learning about responsibility and accountability. By acknowledging that I may affect someone's life, I'm attempting to honestly examine what I am doing, whether I am in alignment with my values, how my choices may affect another, and so forth. Had I lived in a cave w/o anybody around me, I'd be philosophizing about it, but dude, people are real, they are valuable, and esp if they are apt to do as I suggest bc they find me to be an influence in their life, I'm going to scrutinize my own actions and do my best to fulfill my part. Might not be perfect decisions but that's why I value experience bc w/ experience there is wisdom.

That's not entirely true, as many professions, actually the large majority. Devastate the environment, endanger human and other life, and frankly most of it is unneeded. To me you cant justify destroying the world and life, for "what must be done". This is completely erroneous and the only reason we have a system like this at the deepest core is fear.