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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters Who Is Your Master?

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    01-07-2015, 06:42 AM
    I have recognized within myself lately a continuing fascination with dark entities. This is something I've had trouble acknowledging because after spending a year in pure darkness, I'd really rather be done with the stuff. This mindset, however, has drawn unhelpful attention into my life, and so I have done my best to explore and understand where this desire/curiosity/interest comes from, that I may shape it into a more beneficial configuration.

    I now know that it has little to do with the "negative lifestyle." I've already tried that on and found it lacking. It occurs to me that the true desire this fascination stems from is that of serving a master. Personal responsibility is at the top of my list of virtues. I try at all times to remain aware of my Self and choose my actions according to that Self's truest intent. I consider myself to have a very strong will, and I am a highly independent individual. While said orientation feels right to me, it also often becomes overwhelming. There is allure to me in being in a relationship in which I don''t have to constantly provide for myself, and in which, at any given point in the day, I don't have to choose between a million different options whose outcomes usually escape me.

    I recognize the fantasy in this desire, for I have mentally created a master tailored to my purposes, possessing only the traits I find acceptable. I have experienced the less titillating effects of slavery, in some toxic personal relationships and, for a large chunk of my teenage years, in being locked up in a psychiatric hospital and having every aspect of my daily behavior controlled. These were certainly not circumstances I found enjoyable in any way. However, there are daydreams I escape to in my head where the unpleasant elements fade away- an ideal slavery that serves as a sort of vacation from the rigors of constantly creating my own life's circumstances. It has shown up repeatedly in the fiction I write, as well as in many of my lifestyle choices, unconsciously expressed on a continual basis, yet only now do I find myself with the strength to be honest about such a desire.

    Naturally, having shone light on this particular shadow, I would like to transmute it. Beneath the desire for slavery is the simple desire to serve. When the distortions are removed, it involves the surrender of the self I know to the Self I know as the Creator; the giving of my will to that which seems beyond myself. In the past I have found myself unable to trust my own higher will, my own capacity for holiness, and so the purity of surrender has been distorted into a fear of responsibility. The attraction of the "dark master" is purely aesthetic, a deeper desire cloaked in an image that is comfortable to my biases.

    Today I asked myself "Who is the master I am willing to serve?" I tried to picture the embodiment of holy Selfhood that I know I can put my trust in- the Will I know will guide me to my own heart's desire. I saw only a white expanse, a sense of everything. Then, I was overcome with a feeling I can only describe as immeasurable tolerance. For a moment I saw from the eyes of that higher self, and from those eyes every desire this personality expresses is holy, no matter how base or immature, for every desire is a desire of the Creator. My silly fantasies were suddenly sacred, and in seeing that sacredness I could feel the chains of obsession breaking away.

    That Self, I've realized, will take on any form I desire- anything I need to learn, to express myself, to follow the paths I uncover. At times it has dressed up as a frightening dark entity, playing the role I've asked it to without the slightest shred of judgment, and now the sight of that costume fills me with laughter. It is as beautiful and sacred as the holy guardian angel I now see before me. THIS is the Will I wish to serve to the end.

    I felt compelled to share this journey. It has been a very deep and emotional process for me.

    We all serve something. Who is your chosen master?
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    01-07-2015, 07:24 AM
    Hello Dear Yera,

    (01-07-2015, 06:42 AM)Yera Wrote: We all serve something. Who is your chosen master?

    I've never considered my-Self nor my life in such manner.
    To be honest, I don't think that "everyone has a master" - I don't and I would never accept one.

    Instead of looking outside of Self, I'm focusing on the "Inner Self" or "Inner Reality" - this is a Source of immense/infinite Knowledge and Energy. I've draw a LOT from Seth's Words and I am working with Consciousness to reach deeper into Self and other realms of experience.

    You wrote:
    (01-07-2015, 06:42 AM)Yera Wrote: (...) rigors of constantly creating my own life's circumstances.(...)

    I'm wondering why are You perceiving your own Creation as a something "rigorous"? From what I've read, it supposed to be a Joyful and Spontaneous process. Do You think, that You could perceive/experience it as such?


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    01-07-2015, 09:03 AM
    (01-07-2015, 07:24 AM)third-density-being Wrote: I've never considered my-Self nor my life in such manner.
    To be honest, I don't think that "everyone has a master" - I don't and I would never accept one.

    I think it makes perfect sense when the term master is taken out of the master/slave context. In activities like martial arts and philosophy, a master is one who is considered to have obtained a high level of awareness and a fluidity of practice. To be self-mastered is simply to be self-aware, with the willpower to direct that awareness. It is not at all uncommon for masters of various disciplines to accrue followers and apprentices seeking to emulate their skills. Likewise, to truly learn from the Self one must approach it with a receptive attitude, allowing oneself to be guided without necessarily having access to the end result. What separates this approach from slavery is that the disciple always has the choice to ignore the master's words, following out of respect and faith, not fear and domination.



    Quote:I'm wondering why are You perceiving your own Creation as a something "rigorous"? From what I've read, it supposed to be a Joyful and Spontaneous process. Do You think, that You could perceive/experience it as such?

    I assure you that I find the process of life quite joyful, abounding with creativity. However, as one takes a more and more active role in shaping their own experience, they gain more and more responsibility in the process. Errors that could once be excused by innocence and ignorance take on more gravity as the finer and subtler layers of seeking are exposed. Consequences of one's actions are more sharply defined, and more complex challenges emerge. Self-acceptance grants a sort of armor in facing the awesome responsibility of Creatorhood- a protection from the crippling fear of failure- which in one sense grants a pervasive ease of existence. This does not, however, remove all challenges from one's path, nor does it erase the chance of distortion arising as one attempts to face said challenges.

    I accept the honor/duty I have taken onto myself in my seeking with absolute joy. I am filled with a certain fearlessness that is incredibly liberating, especially considering how emotionally chained I was in the past. I do, however, still run into fear, discomfort, doubt and frustration, and quite often at that. The process of refining my response to these stimuli is ongoing and far from perfect. The perpetual joy comes from the worth I see in continuing the learning process in spite of these things, in watching myself grow and develop new ways of solving problems, and in the knowledge that all discomfort is transitory. If you can manage to Become the Creator with no difficulty/frustration at all, you are certainly more of a master than I.

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    I think it might be of benefit to say that the point of this post is to take a concept associated almost exclusively with negativity and to free it from the stereotype to be viewed from a wider perspective. I want to make people think about conventional concepts in unconventional ways. Whether or not you, the reader, agree with my statements, I hope I've at least caused you to go "Hmmm..."
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    01-07-2015, 11:07 AM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2015, 11:13 AM by AnthroHeart.)
    I don't have a master but I thought before about being dominated by a friendly wolfy anthro. Probably sexually too. half human half wolf.
    Like a kind werewolf. But more cartoony.

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    01-07-2015, 11:13 AM
    I weigh 260 pounds, and am cutting off so much sugar once I run out of it. I do drink alcohol with my coke zero. Not sure if that will make me gain weight. But the weight gain seems to slow down as I've gained more of it. I tried jogging but my belly hurts being bounced up and down like that.

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    01-07-2015, 12:35 PM
    I used to be my own master. I used to be very hard and strict on myself, beating myself up for every perceived flaw. If I didn't live up to my own standards, the flogging came from myself. This, then, was to avoid the flogging of others - if no one else could find fault with me, no one could be mad at me or perpetrate anything against me. So if you ask me, the desire for a master-slave relationship is one that stems from fear of, as you called it, the rigors of constantly creating one's own life experience. Is it an attempt to escape the "Law of Responsibility"?

    I try to my highest ability each day to have no master other than the Creator. As I control myself less others attempt to control me less which gives me freedom. Or, when they do try to control me, it's laughable. Also, when we can choose our master, it's less fearful than being an unwilling slave to an unseen driver, which is sort of what Earth's really about.

    "The Choice" is (in one's mind) often negated when one is chained to a rock at the edge of the cliff.

    Fear, unworthiness, and powerlessness are the feelings that cause one to desire slavery - a very weak yellow-ray. We are all our own Logos and able to shine forth our will like the bright noonday Sun as strongly as anyone else.

    Thank you Yera for shining so brightly and sharing your light! You have much to teach and we are a forum of eager learners. BigSmile
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    01-07-2015, 01:51 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2015, 01:52 PM by Spaced.)
    Wisdom is my master, though honestly I am not always the most diligent servant Smile
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    01-07-2015, 02:11 PM
    I don't have a master outside of myself. Sometimes i call my higher self master, in the more romantic sense of the wording, akin to the devotes of a loving guru.

    The self is the only true master, the higher self is our true nature, it really isn't higher/lower in this sense. I think one of the most powerful moments a person can have is to realize that nobody can bring lasting joy, love or happiness other than from within themselves.

    Thoughts and emotions to me are like clouds that fill the sky, they come and go unless we follow them. Once we understand this we can see that our nature is the infinite clarity of sky and not the clouds that sometimes fill it. Only once the sky is clear can we see the light of day.
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    01-07-2015, 05:27 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2015, 05:29 PM by Phoenix.)
    I'm in a similar situation to you in some ways since I had the 'feeling' to create a song that has the lines in it 'it's noon time in the bedroom of a layabout priest, he doesn't worship god, he worships the beast.' I also had VERY positive feelings when reproducing it. Although, perhaps as a hint when I went out busking it was the only song I didn't get any money for.

    If I throw away this song, the 'channel' is disturbed. I find that any 'psychic ability' I might have doesn't distinguish massively. If there is a pattern out there in the world that is non positive, then it just becomes part of the channel then can't be removed. This is the same with David Wilcock and I've seen a few pretty obviously greeted q'uo readings.

    I haven't found what to do about this but 'disturbing' the channel doesn't help.

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    I have not yet chosen one.

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    01-07-2015, 07:34 PM
    I think it's wonderful that everyone has their own definition of master, and take on a simple question. Yera, if your intention was to make us go 'hmmm,' I would say you've achieved it.

    My "Master" is Humanity, for that is who I am here to serve.
    I am one of Humanity which makes the notion of master/slave moot.
    We are all one.
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    01-07-2015, 08:48 PM
    Good idea on the higher self being like a master. It is my guide, even if unconscious.

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    01-07-2015, 11:10 PM (This post was last modified: 01-21-2015, 06:48 PM by isis. Edit Reason: expletive )
    if i can't be the slave then i'm not playing the game (says the master)

    i am my own master, so far

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    01-07-2015, 11:59 PM
    the image of perfection

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    01-08-2015, 06:25 AM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2015, 04:45 PM by third-density-being.)
    Hello Dear Yera,

    Thank You for your reply.

    Your Words made me realize, that there's significant "emotional charge" in labels alone. Word/label "Master" has negative connotations for my and that alone shaped in large degree my response - not only in what I've written, but above all in my understanding of your post. Thank You, that was a valuable lesson/reminder.

    Now, I would like to comment on some of your statements.

    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: (...) to truly learn from the Self one must approach it with a receptive attitude, allowing oneself to be guided without necessarily having access to the end result. (...)

    I agree. Not only a receptive attitude is necessary, but also honesty with Self. And by "honesty" I also mean the readiness to question the Self and Our Beliefs, which are the base for Our thinking/understanding and even perception itself (how We select and evaluate data).

    I think it is quite interesting statement (bolded one in quote of You). To have an access to the end result. Is there one? I'm asking, because it took me a while to understand, that there is no actually "end" of Our Seekings. So when We are writing/talking about "end result" it may be Our personal goal, that We decided to reach/accomplish. And yet, in this (non-material) sphere, I truly do not know how can I properly define such "end result". Every time I try to define it, at some point I realize, that what I was doing, was creating a concept of some event/ability/experience and I was trying to fit my own reality in it.
    This is of course very helpful tool and the way We normally proceed in this reality - I do this despite above experience/understanding, because I need a structure of some kind, to go further with my Mind - but I do this with an uncomfortable awareness, that it is only my imaginary goal, which hopefully will lead me to deeper/more genuine understanding/experience, and that the latter one will permit me to establish another structure (goal), which will allow me to make another step in my Seekings (whatever this "step" may be).

    This brings me to your Words:
    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: If you can manage to Become the Creator with no difficulty/frustration at all, you are certainly more of a master than I.

    I apologize, but it was quite a humorous for me. No, I cannot "become Creator" and I have no conscious knowledge of such experience. In fact, I consider my-Self to be at the very beginnings of my Seekings. I have problems with tracking my own thoughts and with understanding their true nature.
    Therefore to direct such sentence to me, was like to ask a month old infant if He/She finished interpreting data from latest experiment conducted in Large Hadron Collider facility Smile

    No, Dear Yera, I am not a "Master", and even If I was to reach an unimaginable (for me now) depth/level/stage of my Seekings, I would never agree to be called as one. Why? Because it is my opinion, that every time such relation is established, the "Power of Self" is delegated outside of Self - and that (again - in my opinion) is harmful to the Self (in the long run/wider perspective).

    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: What separates this approach from slavery is that the disciple always has the choice to ignore the master's words, following out of respect and faith, not fear and domination.

    I can assure You, that there are times when I am ignoring my-Self. I'm rejecting my own conclusions, my own understanding, I'm arguing with Self and I do sometimes discredit my-Self as well. But this is also a Great Experience/Lesson for me, from which I am learning a lot about my-Self. It is hard for me to express it in Words, as those are always very private/intimate experiences in different, given contexts of my Seekings. Lately for example, I'm quite frustrated with work with my Beliefs, because I do not know how exactly to proceed. Literally yesterday I noticed, that in what We understand as "time", my own attitude toward Self and my reality is changing "only" while I'm being consciously aware of what my Beliefs actually are. This makes me to reconsider/redefine what I understand by label "to proceed" - even though that in the categories of the Mind I'm not "working" with beliefs, I begin to realize, that there are changes "happens" in the sphere/area to which I have no direct access to.

    Now, the foundation of this “realization” brings me to another quote of You:
    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: (…)Self-acceptance grants a sort of Amor (…)

    Above is taken from context, to which I will return.
    But for now, I would like to point out, that my own “armor” is my understanding. As I perceive it, it is something that permitted me to “stay on track” of my Seekings – the awareness of larger/manifold reality than Our current Creaturehood. Thanks to it my interpretations of events in my reality are not limited to causality or expected outcomes, but I’m granting a priori the possibility (if not the certainty) of distortions in my own, fundamental assumptions.
    In other words I do understand, that I am limited by my Mind, but this is best, imperfect tool I possess, to work with. This is my own, personal Patch and I do understand, that it is not proper for everyone. Many Beings are gifted in emotional/spiritual sphere and are able to work effectively in this field – I am not, therefore I’m primarily relying on my Mind and my Understanding. I’m just beginning to learn how to recognize and work with my feelings/emotions and symbols.

    Now I would like to quote your Words, which I do not understand:
    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: However, as one takes a more and more active role in shaping their own experience, they gain more and more responsibility in the process. Errors that could once be excused by innocence and ignorance take on more gravity as the finer and subtler layers of seeking are exposed. Consequences of one's actions are more sharply defined, and more complex challenges emerge. Self-acceptance grants a sort of armor in facing the awesome responsibility of Creatorhood- a protection from the crippling fear of failure- which in one sense grants a pervasive ease of existence. This does not, however, remove all challenges from one's path, nor does it erase the chance of distortion arising as one attempts to face said challenges.

    I’ve read your post on the “Wanderers Stories” forum and I realize that You are way a head of me in your Seekings and Experience. But I do not understand of what “errors” were You writing about and why are You attaching such gravity to it? To make mistakes is something common/natural in this field, as We all are “making steps in the darkness of Our own limitations”.
    Also, I’m wondering of what “consequences” were You writing about – a consequences to the Self or Other-Selves? What kind of consequences? Why are they (if they are such for You) fearful?

    But this - crippling fear of failure – is totally an alien experience to me. What do You understand by “failure” in this field? I’ve never looked at it in such categories, and as far as I understand, it is a hindering perspective in “Self-unfolding”/”Self-exploration” process.

    Please explain.


    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: I do, however, still run into fear, discomfort, doubt and frustration, and quite often at that. The process of refining my response to these stimuli is ongoing and far from perfect. The perpetual joy comes from the worth I see in continuing the learning process in spite of these things, in watching myself grow and develop new ways of solving problems, and in the knowledge that all discomfort is transitory.

    I share with You all those feelings, accept the fear. Honestly, I do not understand why this emotion is present within You. What is a cause of it?

    Since there is no end to Our Seekings, there is no “perfection” – it is merely an Idea to which We can strive towards. This is of course my understanding, but If We were to actually reach/achieve “perfection”, it would mean the end of Our Seekings – and We were told on many occasions, that there is no such end.

    If it’s possible, I would like to learn your Point of View in this matter.


    (01-07-2015, 09:03 AM)Yera Wrote: I think it might be of benefit to say that the point of this post is to take a concept associated almost exclusively with negativity and to free it from the stereotype to be viewed from a wider perspective. I want to make people think about conventional concepts in unconventional ways. Whether or not you, the reader, agree with my statements, I hope I've at least caused you to go "Hmmm..."

    Yes, Dear Yera, You have Smile
    Edited: Thanks Isis Smile


    However at this point I would like to write couple words regarding your approach to this sphere in general. And when I’m writing about “your approach”, I’m referring to what I was able to drawn from your Words here, on this forum. Please treat it only as my opinion and my imperfect attempt to understand.

    From what I’ve noticed, You have a tendency to placing “things” (goals/power/right to evaluate/etc.) outside of Self. I can only imagine, that this is a habit/tendency drawn from your past experiences, when You had a “Master”. I may be wrong, but I have an impression, that You are trying to transfer such relation to your new approach – or at least that You are strongly relating to such relation, in Seekings for your new approach / “ways of Seeking”.

    Please, do not be offended by my Words – I would never want to hurt You in any way. I am only offering You my honest/genuine thoughts and I hope they will (somehow) aid You on your Patch, as your aiding me in my attempts to understand more and deeper.


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    01-08-2015, 12:59 PM
    (01-08-2015, 06:25 AM)third-density-being Wrote: Yes, Dear Year, You have Smile

    haha, he called u year. yesterday i tried to type year but accidentally typed yera instead
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    01-08-2015, 02:43 PM
    (01-08-2015, 12:59 PM)isis Wrote:
    (01-08-2015, 06:25 AM)third-density-being Wrote: Yes, Dear Year, You have Smile

    haha, he called u year. yesterday i tried to type year but accidentally typed yera instead

    My spell check is constantly changing Yera to Year. I have to fix it every time.
    Anyway.
    Happy New Yera everyone.
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    01-08-2015, 03:37 PM
    (01-07-2015, 06:42 AM)Yera Wrote: Today I asked myself "Who is the master I am willing to serve?" I tried to picture the embodiment of holy Selfhood that I know I can put my trust in- the Will I know will guide me to my own heart's desire. I saw only a white expanse, a sense of everything. Then, I was overcome with a feeling I can only describe as immeasurable tolerance. For a moment I saw from the eyes of that higher self, and from those eyes every desire this personality expresses is holy, no matter how base or immature, for every desire is a desire of the Creator. My silly fantasies were suddenly sacred, and in seeing that sacredness I could feel the chains of obsession breaking away.

    That Self, I've realized, will take on any form I desire- anything I need to learn, to express myself, to follow the paths I uncover. At times it has dressed up as a frightening dark entity, playing the role I've asked it to without the slightest shred of judgment, and now the sight of that costume fills me with laughter. It is as beautiful and sacred as the holy guardian angel I now see before me. THIS is the Will I wish to serve to the end.

    I felt compelled to share this journey. It has been a very deep and emotional process for me.

    We all serve something. Who is your chosen master?

    Yera, I recognize in your words something of myself—you think too much. Tongue Though, it works well in writing fiction, which I also do. Smile

    I serve no master. I acknowledge the idea of an adept. But master, no, in the sense of someone/thing to serve. I think and make decisions for myself always, and do not pass that to anyone. It takes courage—what I call the warrior spirit—and carries with it a burden of alone-ness. The idea of following anyone/thing at all is diametrically opposed to my nature. 

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    01-08-2015, 03:45 PM
    third-density being, by "end result" I was speaking of trusting a process without knowing the outcome. I seek to know myself. The more of my Self I uncover, the less I realize I know. While I think I've gotten a decent grasp on the parts of myself uncovered thus far, I have no idea what else I'll find in there, and I don't doubt I'll ever run out of things to find. If I was insisting on a certain product in this seeking, I would undoubtedly hamper the entire process.

    By "errors" I speak of pursuing actions not in alignment with one's highest purposes. When one's goals are shallow or unknown, it is easy to make self-sabotaging actions without realizing it. The consequences of these actions are usually what generate a higher awareness of one's "grand plan" in the first place. However, when one has attained a more solid understanding of their desires and the path they want to follow, choosing to follow temptations that go against these desires tends to be more directly harmful to the individual's progress on said path.

    Consider the cave man who kills another cave man out of primitive territorial instincts, compared with a seeker who has dedicated themselves to preserving peace and harmony going out and murdering someone. Who is going to suffer more for their actions? The situation is rarely that dramatic, but there are definitely ways to either expedite or impede one's progress, and as more and more awareness is obtained, realizing the difference between the two becomes more and more valuable. Making an "error" (or a hundred of them) isn't going to damn you to hell or prevent your ultimate progress, but as Ra says, why use a blunt instrument if a scalpel is available?

    My fear of failure comes from experiencing a high level of rejection during my childhood, due to my very sensitive behavior being perceived as "crazy". I was constantly bullied, criticized and pushed away by peers and teachers alike. Tell a child there's something wrong with who they are, that their thoughts make them a bad person, and they will likely believe you. While I feel I've come a very long way in reclaiming the Self I stuffed away out of a fear of abuse, rejection and disciplinary measures, I still find it challenging to be completely myself around others, especially when expressing opinions I know are going to go against the status quo (which happens quite often, it seems). While I intellectually understand that the world around me is a mirror of the one within, allowing me complete freedom to create the sort of experience I want, I still remember the taunts and the feelings of intense loneliness and self-hatred. I am actively working with the fear, instigating healing, but I can't say I've perfected the process. It is still easy for me to see results that don't please others as failures.

    I used to hate myself for feeling such things, but now the fear itself has faded enough for me to realize we've all got our own set of distortions that influence how we learn and grow. In recognizing my fears, I can choose to continually act in ways that counter them. I honestly had an agitated response ready to go for what you said, but I chose instead to go back, re-read your words, and try to see from your perspective instead of just being afraid of my ideas (an expression of self) being rejected. This in turn taught me more about myself.

    I thank you for your responses. Life would be awfully boring if people just agreed with me all the time. :p
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    01-08-2015, 04:44 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2015, 05:17 PM by third-density-being. Edit Reason: spelling )
    Thank You for your response, Dear Yera,

    To be honest, I was somewhat afraid of agitated response from You, as I permitted my-Self for some personal remarks.

    I would like to emphasize this: I am Glad You are here and I will never reject You. I may not understand some things or disagree with You in some areas/topics/with some of your thoughts, but it is never directed at You personally.

    Thanks to your reply I understand now why You have such emotions within You and I see that You are actively working with them.

    And yes, Our experiences from childhood - especially those negative ones - possess enormous charge and it is fundamental matter to work those "things" out. But it is a long process and I'm writing this from my own experience.

    (01-08-2015, 03:45 PM)Yera Wrote: By "errors" I speak of pursuing actions not in alignment with one's highest purposes. When one's goals are shallow or unknown, it is easy to make self-sabotaging actions without realizing it. The consequences of these actions are usually what generate a higher awareness of one's "grand plan" in the first place. However, when one has attained a more solid understanding of their desires and the path they want to follow, choosing to follow temptations that go against these desires tends to be more directly harmful to the individual's progress on said path.

    If You are able to perceive Self from such perspective - and by that I mean to be able to differentiate on an intellectual level whether or not your actions are consistent with your "highest purposes" - than it is without any doubt sign of your advancement in this field.
    I, unfortunately, do not know my "highest purposes" - I'm just trying to be honest with Self and following my conscience. I hope despite my limiting "Mind-Patch" I will be capable of such differentiation as well.

    Thank You once again for your answer, Dear Yera.


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    01-08-2015, 06:34 PM
    I wouldn't claim absolute knowledge of my own divine will- I think there's some things that just exceed the capacity of human understanding.


    I do, however, realize that every action I take is a choice, and, while I'm not always successful, I try to consistently choose in a direction that is in alignment with the highest and best truth, the most desired state of being, that I am capable of perceiving. That truth could change tomorrow, but it is the consciousness of intention and the purity of that intent that build the momentum which catapult one into the realm of the adept.

    I'd note that this doesn't mean I try to squash out parts of myself I find not in alignment with those highest of goals. I explore every desire I encounter, but it is the higher will that guides the context and mode of that exploration. I explore to understand, I understand to accept, I accept to Love and I Love because I have determined Love to be the undeniably natural state of my being and the universe. Thus far, I cannot perceive any truth that brings me more joy and inner clarity, and so with all my heart I try to choose to see the Love in all things, even those things in the world, and especially in myself, which seem most unloving.

    This is what I see as the basis of polarity. My only real qualm with the concept is that "STS" and "STO" quickly turn into a stereotyped set of behaviors, and true self-expression is not possible via conforming to a stereotype out of the fear of "not making it." Do it for your Self, not the fourth dimensional cookie.

    I've perhaps derailed my own topic...whoopsie. Confused
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    01-08-2015, 09:21 PM
    Thank You for your reply, Dear Yera.

    I was not going to answer further, as I felt I didn't had anything to add to your Words, but your post made me thinking a lot, and I decided to emphasize some of your statements:

    (01-08-2015, 06:34 PM)Yera Wrote: (...) it is the consciousness of intention and the purity of that intent that build the momentum which catapult one into the realm of the adept.
    (...)

    You've captured so much in this (seemingly) simply sentence. When I tried to translate it into my life, I saw how profound and very hard it is to accomplish such perspective/awareness, and to maintain it.
    I'm not sure how to express it in words, but those Words triggered something in me and made me understand how important it really is. "Funny" thing is, that I knew that before, but You attached proper weight to it within me.
    I will be more conscious in that regard from now on. Thank You.

    (01-08-2015, 06:34 PM)Yera Wrote: (...) I explore to understand, I understand to accept, I accept to Love and I Love because I have determined Love to be the undeniably natural state of my being and the universe. Thus far, I cannot perceive any truth that brings me more joy and inner clarity, and so with all my heart I try to choose to see the Love in all things, even those things in the world, and especially in myself, which seem most unloving.

    This is very interesting for me as well. Within bolded statement, I've reached only to point "I explore to understand". I've never thought of acceptance nor about love in this context. In fact, my attitude may be translated into statement: "I explore to understand, I understand to explore". You really gave me something to think about - that's the reason I've came back here and now replying to your post.

    (01-08-2015, 06:34 PM)Yera Wrote: This is what I see as the basis of polarity. My only real qualm with the concept is that "STS" and "STO" quickly turn into a stereotyped set of behaviors, and true self-expression is not possible via conforming to a stereotype out of the fear of "not making it." Do it for your Self, not the fourth dimensional cookie.

    I've perhaps derailed my own topic...whoopsie. Confused

    I fully agree and I do think, that despite obviousness, this is not “classic” two-poles (STS vs STO) situation. It is about very sophisticated journey and being open to everything that within You - without looking whether or not We are oriented toward Service to Others or Self. In wider perspective it really doesn't matter - what matters, is to make genuine choices, that are/will be dictated by what resides within a Being - without looking at what in Our opinion "should be". Because this beliefs what "should be" is a way of suppressing Self, when One is turning to it at every decision One makes.

    Quote:Do it for your Self, not the fourth dimensional cookie.
    You really made me laugh out loud - true lol Smile

    Also, I don't think that You derailed your own topic - I think that You just haven't thought it may lead You/Us to this point of discussion. And it is a Good point, that shows how unexpected is the nature of such Seekings/Understanding.


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    01-08-2015, 10:24 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2015, 10:37 PM by Phoenix. Edit Reason: Kept adding lines. )
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    (...) I explore to understand, I understand to accept, I accept to Love and I Love because I have determined Love to be the undeniably natural state of my being and the universe. Thus far, I cannot perceive any truth that brings me more joy and inner clarity, and so with all my heart I try to choose to see the Love in all things, even those things in the world, and especially in myself, which seem most unloving.
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    That's pretty good.

    As far as masters go, for me it's pretty much positive entities. Or to be sure I feel them with me when I fear often, but the master is the directing of my own will in order to seek the Creator. I think.

    I'm following David Wilcocks teachings a little; and I have a whole memory backlog of LOO quotes, Edgar Cayce quotes and I can always go and read q'uo if the fancy takes me. I do have other potential teachings which I'm not always strong enough to follow, or not in the position to at the moment, and which may or may not be positive so I won't outline. I pray, meditate. I play music and when I hold my astrology chart infront of me or do anything in that area I feel a genuine connection to higher positive forces. Like my higher self punches through the confusion just quickly and is in the room with me. (From inside).

    But I also want to engage with the 'real world'. Don't know if that interferes with the 'master' idea. Like the whole Mammon thing.

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    01-09-2015, 03:17 PM
    My master would be myself, I have views of the world and can only move foward refining them as I grow in wisdom and love. I do not have anyone to serve because God is within me and thus as I grow, I move toward becoming one with my divine nature as part of Creation.

    Or you could say my master is anything and everything through my very own understandings.

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    Good one isis. He was a great example.

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