Law of One Religion?

[Bluebell]

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad?

No one said chain smoking is 'ok' in terms of health.

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy.

Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals.

i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

Certainly, cooking is a factor, among many other factors to health.

The most comprehensive study ever done on diet shows that:

Animal Protein "Turns On" Cancer Genes - T. Colin Campbell PhD

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

shrug

[Shawnna]

Our lives are a direct reflection of every choice we have ever made.

I have complete faith in karma and I know those who choose to be hurtful in their words and deeds will reap appropriate karma.

[Diana]

please Diana. u said chain smoking is negligible but vegetarianism must be a contributing factor to his health? LOL

"The emotional drama in my opinion derives from those in defense of eating meat."

lol. i'm not the one whose signature judges others & offends people. i don't tell u wut to eat. the emotion & drama is from being told wut to do. by self righteous people like u. i don't like that & naturally go against that because i came to this planet to be different than the herds. not better but different.

i don't defend eating meat, but currently it's wut i choose for my health. u weren't there when i got sick. i was vegetarian & i got very very sick. torture. maybe i can be ok w supplements but it's terrifying to me at the moment to rely solely on that. it broke me to be vegetarian until i caved to eat meat, i was suicidal. i was a burden to others. so i caved. i'm so  sorry i didn't live up to ur standards. it's why i'm emotional, because it fucking broke & tortured me to NOT eat meat.

my nose is great, thanks. my point was, forcing often backfires.

You are still misquoting me. Let me be clear. Chain smoking in my opinion is not healthy for a human physical body. Vegetarianism is a choice based on many feelings and factors. I did not say being vegetarian must be a contributing factor to Yogananda's health. Please reread my post. But you are free to choose what you think.

You do not understand me at all, just to let you know.

I am very sorry for your health issues. Please do not suppose I have standards for you to live up to. You are blaming me for something I am not guilty of. That's okay. I don't really care. I would, however, prefer my words here to be better understood than you seem to have done. 

[Shawnna]

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad?

No one said chain smoking is 'ok' in terms of health.

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy.

Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals.

i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

Certainly, cooking is a factor, among many other factors to health.

The most comprehensive study ever done on diet shows that:

Animal Protein "Turns On" Cancer Genes - T. Colin Campbell PhD

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

shrug

Bluebell - Please correct your post - I did not say any of the quotes above.

[Bluebell]

so Carla is as good as a rapist?

OMG that is NOT what I said. That is offensive to imply that I said that.

Rape & other analogies / Relative value of animals vs humans / Meat-Eaters NOT being compared to rapists! But killing animals compared to killing/raping humans from the victim's perspective / Do we wish to emulate higher STO (drinking nectar) or higher STS (mutilating cattle and abducting lower density entities) entities?

Post #96 Bring4th_Monica
Post #111  Pablísimo
Post #146  Bring4th_Monica

okkkkkk........ just sounded like it. seriously Monica...



"Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals. "


i was talking about health, not morality. there's no cancer i know of in the wild.

[Bluebell]

please Diana. u said chain smoking is negligible but vegetarianism must be a contributing factor to his health? LOL

"The emotional drama in my opinion derives from those in defense of eating meat."

lol. i'm not the one whose signature judges others & offends people. i don't tell u wut to eat. the emotion & drama is from being told wut to do. by self righteous people like u. i don't like that & naturally go against that because i came to this planet to be different than the herds. not better but different.

i don't defend eating meat, but currently it's wut i choose for my health. u weren't there when i got sick. i was vegetarian & i got very very sick. torture. maybe i can be ok w supplements but it's terrifying to me at the moment to rely solely on that. it broke me to be vegetarian until i caved to eat meat, i was suicidal. i was a burden to others. so i caved. i'm so  sorry i didn't live up to ur standards. it's why i'm emotional, because it fucking broke & tortured me to NOT eat meat.

my nose is great, thanks. my point was, forcing often backfires.

You are still misquoting me. Let me be clear. Chain smoking in my opinion is not healthy for a human physical body. Vegetarianism is a choice based on many feelings and factors. I did not say being vegetarian must be a contributing factor to Yogananda's health. Please reread my post. But you are free to choose what you think.

You do not understand me at all, just to let you know.

I am very sorry for your health issues. Please do not suppose I have standards for you to live up to. You are blaming me for something I am not guilty of. That's okay. I don't really care. I would, however, prefer my words here to be better understood than you seem to have done. 

i think u do have standards.

[Bluebell]

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad?

No one said chain smoking is 'ok' in terms of health.

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy.

Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals.

i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

Certainly, cooking is a factor, among many other factors to health.

The most comprehensive study ever done on diet shows that:

Animal Protein "Turns On" Cancer Genes - T. Colin Campbell PhD

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

shrug

Please correct your post - I did not say any of the quotes above.

i was trying to reply to Monica. i think we both bungled the bubble system!

fixed!

[Minyatur]

Monica, you can hear what I say or listen not. But this is the information I am channeling to you.

The purpose of your incarnation lies not in judging Earth but in trying to understand it as part of the perfect Creation which you could not do without Wandering. Understanding the lessons of 6D and striving for those of 7D lies in the loss of polarization for after that there remains only total acceptance of the Creator as the Creator. Outside this density of existence you did not understand Earth and so you came here to further your understanding of the Creator of Himself.

After the loss of polarization, opens the path of a Logos.

[Bluebell]

Monica is right imo, in judging this messed up planet. but judging separates u. eating meat made me feel less separated. because i ate the grey. but who knows wut's wrong.

[Monica]

i'm not the one whose signature judges others & offends people.

What if I change it to Eating organic, garden-fresh tomatoes is STS.

Would that offend you too?

i don't defend eating meat, but currently it's wut i choose for my health. u weren't there when i got sick. i was vegetarian & i got very very sick. torture. maybe i can be ok w supplements but it's terrifying to me at the moment to rely solely on that. it broke me to be vegetarian until i caved to eat meat, i was suicidal. i was a burden to others. so i caved. i'm so  sorry i didn't live up to ur standards. it's why i'm emotional, because it fucking broke & tortured me to NOT eat meat.

You might not believe this, but I actually have a great deal of compassion for you. About 20 years ago, I got very sick. I almost died. It was terrifying! I tried everything...herbs, vitamins, various diets, and went to various practitioners: MDs, acupuncturists, herbalists, naturopaths, chiropractors, homeopaths, Reiki practitioners, etc.

Nothing helped. Finally, in desperation, I allowed a nutritionist to convince me to start eating meat again. He was convinced that my problems were because I was a vegetarian.

So, for about 2 years, I dutifully did what I thought I 'had to do.' It was very hard for me. I was completely grossed out by it and the only way I could get it down was to smother it in hot sauce and pretend it was tofu.

But, it didn't help at all. I did all that for nothing. I still had the same health problems, and it turned out that those problems had absolutely nothing to do with being vegetarian.

So, I finally decided "Why am I doing this when it isn't helping anyway?" and went back to being a vegetarian (and, later vegan). Later, I did finally find the solution to my problems.

I can definitely sympathize with someone suffering from health problems. I can even understand temporarily adding meat back in, in the belief that it might help. I now know that meat isn't the answer. I now believe that there is always a vegetarian solution, but it might take awhile to find it. It took me 20 years to find it! But at the time, when I didn't know what else to do, I tried meat. So I would never judge anyone for eating meat in a desperate attempt to solve a health problem. This falls into the category of 'necessary.' Even if it isn't really necessary, the person might think it's necessary. That simply isn't the same thing as eating meat because "I like the taste of bacon."

But even when I was desperate, and ate meat, I always knew that animals were suffering. I always believed, all during that time, that there had to be a better way. I refused to believe that I had to eat dead animals in order to be healed. I just didn't know what the solution was. It eluded me for so long, that I was finally willing to try meat.

Eating meat didn't help at all. Maybe it has helped others, but I contend that there is always a vegetarian solution. Dr. Cousens MD goes into great detail about this. He has counseled thousands of people, including many who wanted to be a vegetarian for spiritual/ethical reasons, but failed to thrive, for whatever reason. He claims a 100% success rate in helping hundreds of people thrive on a vegan diet - not just vegetarian but vegan - once they tweak their diet according to metabolic typing.

Vegans are pioneers and have made some mistakes. There isn't a 1-size-fits-all approach in terms of the ratio of carbs to fats and protein. Some thrive on higher carbs, lower fats and proteins, while others are the opposite. We live in a toxic world. That has to be taken into account too.

Guess what my problem was? I finally traced it to 2 causes: Drinking distilled water (which leached out minerals) and 2 botched dental fillings (which were causing a chronic, low-level blood infection). Nothing to do with diet at all.

According to Dr. Cousens, in 100% of the cases wherein the person feels they must eat meat, it is either something like that (water or teeth) or it's metabolic typing, and there are always solutions, if the person really wants to be a vegetarian.

I have no idea what is causing your health problems, and I truly do hope you find solutions. I truly don't judge you for doing what you feel you must do right now. I DO understand because I've been there! It is possible to both champion the animals and refrain from judging at the same time. This is what I feel in my heart. I truly don't judge people who are struggling with this because of health problems. People are mistaken when they think I am judging them, when I champion the animals. It is they who are judging themselves. Only they know in their hearts whether their 'choices' are truly 'necessary' or not.

[Monica]

"Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals. "


i was talking about health, not morality. there's no cancer i know of in the wild.

Carnivorous animals in the wild eat the diet they were designed for. Notice the sharp fangs...well suited to rip into the flesh of their prey. Notice how wolves and lions in the wild salivate at the smell and sight of a bloody deer.

They don't get cancer. They are eating what they were designed to eat.

The human physiology is very different from that of carnivorous animals.

It's very telling that the risk of cancer in humans goes up in direct proportion to the amount of animal protein they eat.

In other words, the more meat or other animal protein (eggs, dairy) they eat, the higher their cancer risk.

I think this is significant.

[Monica]

As for the concern of Creation, the rape of a woman is an experience of Creator chosen by the Creator. The Creation is the perfect unfolding of the convergence of complementary needed experiences, there is nothing that is not needed. If the planet were to magically progress to 4D STO, it would lose the purpose as to why all incarnations on this sphere are here. STS happens because it is a chosen experience by all parties involved.

Right...so don't bother trying to help that woman, even if she's screaming for help. Don't call 911...

42.7 Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for this in third density. Many entities here feel great compassion toward relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, bringing them food if there is hunger as there is in the African nations now, bringing them medicine if they believe they require administering to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.

This is creating a polarization or a vibration that is in harmony with green ray or fourth density. However, it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth density that these entities are experiencing catalyst and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth density than it would be to administer to their physical needs at this time. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this.

[font=sans-serif]On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.[/font]

The 2nd part of Ra's answer doesn't negate the part about feeding the body; it just adds to it.

[Monica]

okkkkkk........ just sounded like it. seriously Monica...

These posts directly address the distinction:

Rape & other analogies / Relative value of animals vs humans / Meat-Eaters NOT being compared to rapists! But killing animals compared to killing/raping humans from the victim's perspective / Do we wish to emulate higher STO (drinking nectar) or higher STS (mutilating cattle and abducting lower density entities) entities?

Post #96 Bring4th_Monica
Post #111  Pablísimo
Post #146  Bring4th_Monica

[Monica]

The complete message is Oneness, all he gives are insights to understand Oneness. He speaks many times of the duality of polarization yet aren't you the one excluding the part where Ra says it is an illusion. 

In the end, what Ra says is irrelevent to my message, it was meant from me to you.

I could now respond by saying "Aren't you the one excluding the part about feeding the hungry?" But I'm not interested in a game of tit-for-tat.

I'm not leaving out the illusion part or the Oneness part. I'm simply suggesting that the 'feeding the hungry' part and the 'answering the cries' part and the 'service to others' parts be included also.

[AnthroHeart]

Do you ever hear the excuse "the beef was dead anyway" when justifying eating meat? Like you couldn't bring them back to life.

[Monica]

Do you ever hear the excuse "the beef was dead anyway" when justifying eating meat? Like you couldn't bring them back to life.

Sure. But I think it's a lame excuse, being that all businesses operate on the principle of supply-and-demand. If people didn't buy the dead animal carcasses, they wouldn't keep artificially breeding and slaughtering the cows because there would be no one buying the meat. They kill the cows because people buy the meat, plain and simple. Cut off the demand, and the supply will disappear.

[Shawnna]

"The Law of One Religion?" has turned into something else entirely. 

[kycahi]

This is an observation only, not any kind of judgement. If lotsa people eat meat, such as in most western cultures, they do indeed "cause" the killing of animals. They also cause the raising of animals. If no human ate meat, the planet would have no livestock and therefore much much fewer 2nd density animal lives and therefore reduced opportunity for graduation 1stD to 3rdD. Is that worse than killing livestock? I dunno, and I doubt any 3D person knows, really. We can guess and discuss, but I doubt I would choose to read such discussion here because I considered meat-eating long enough. That's just me, though.

I do remember Ra or another channeled entity from L/L say that if you are judgmental of someone who pollutes, you harm the planet more than the polluter does. I think that could apply to meat eating too. This brings up the term Acceptance that is a recent subject hereabouts, and that reminds that no 3D existence can be perfect. Reasonable people disagree because they are supposed to: It's catalytic. :-/

[Shawnna]

so chain smoking is ok but meat is bad?

No one said chain smoking is 'ok' in terms of health.

wild animals eat meat. they're fit & healthy.

Presumably, we're more evolved than wild animals.

i think cancer & other ill is cooking related. i eat meat currently out of health reasons. but i think cooked food in general is "bad" & meat is usually cooked, baked, fried etc.

Certainly, cooking is a factor, among many other factors to health.

The most comprehensive study ever done on diet shows that:

Animal Protein "Turns On" Cancer Genes - T. Colin Campbell PhD

meat eating isn't ideal but the more i get judged for it by self righteous people the less i feel wanting to stop is my decision & i instinctively go against oppression.

shrug

Please correct your post - I did not say any of the quotes above.

i was trying to reply to Monica. i think we both bungled the bubble system!

Fix it please.

[Monica]

This is an observation only, not any kind of judgement. If lotsa people eat meat, such as in most western cultures, they do indeed "cause" the killing of animals. They also cause the raising of animals. If no human ate meat, the planet would have no livestock and therefore much much fewer 2nd density animal lives and therefore reduced opportunity for graduation 1stD to 3rdD.

There are plenty of 2D entities...except for the massive die-off caused by humans. Animals raised for meat are artificially inseminated and given growth hormones. Their reproductive cycles are abnormal.

I do remember Ra or another channeled entity from L/L say that if you are judgmental of someone who pollutes, you harm the planet more than the polluter does.

I don't recall anything like that from Ra. If some other entity said that, then I would question the clarity of that transmission.

I think that could apply to meat eating too. This brings up the term Acceptance that is a recent subject

It's quite apparent that many people here think 'judging' the unnecessary torture and killing of animals is worse than actually torturing and killing animals.

This is just nuts, in my opinion. Think about it. What if there was still legal human slavery in the US? Would anyone here say that those working for abolition of slavery are 'worse' then those who keep slaves?

Legal slavery. Someone says "It's wrong to control another human against their will and make them your slave. It's also wrong to beat them or kill them." How many of you would say that that person is 'worse' than the slave 'owner'?

Yet that is exactly what people are doing here...continually trying to shift the focus away from what they are doing - causing the unnecessary suffering and killing of sentient other-selves - and screaming "you are judgmental!" at those seeking to free the slaves.

[native]

true richness of being. that would include a little traipse down the wrong path.

Sure why not!

[native]

I guess what Ra meant in that dialogue is, Don made certain unspoken connections and it was highly probable to him that there was/were member/members from Ra as wanderers in their group.

I agree

[Minyatur]

This is an observation only, not any kind of judgement. If lotsa people eat meat, such as in most western cultures, they do indeed "cause" the killing of animals. They also cause the raising of animals. If no human ate meat, the planet would have no livestock and therefore much much fewer 2nd density animal lives and therefore reduced opportunity for graduation 1stD to 3rdD.

There are plenty of 2D entities...except for the massive die-off caused by humans. Animals raised for meat are artificially inseminated and given growth hormones. Their reproductive cycles are abnormal.

I do remember Ra or another channeled entity from L/L say that if you are judgmental of someone who pollutes, you harm the planet more than the polluter does.

I don't recall anything like that from Ra. If some other entity said that, then I would question the clarity of that transmission.

I think that could apply to meat eating too. This brings up the term Acceptance that is a recent subject

It's quite apparent that many people here think 'judging' the unnecessary torture and killing of animals is worse than actually torturing and killing animals.

This is just nuts, in my opinion. Think about it. What if there was still legal human slavery in the US? Would anyone here say that those working for abolition of slavery are 'worse' then those who keep slaves?

Legal slavery. Someone says "It's wrong to control another human against their will and make them your slave. It's also wrong to beat them or kill them." How many of you would say that that person is 'worse' than the slave 'owner'?

Yet that is exactly what people are doing here...continually trying to shift the focus away from what they are doing - causing the unnecessary suffering and killing of sentient other-selves - and screaming "you are judgmental!" at those seeking to free the slaves.

You are judgmental because you imply that a chosen experience of the Creator be it rape, murder or anything should be denied to that entity because you do not value the experience yourself. It is always a chosen experience.


I am not trying to judge you, I am only fufilling my role here as you are fufulling yours.

[native]

I understand your point. But while it may forward self-acceptance, it would also continue to cause cruelty in the world (the effects of human consumption on other life forms and the planet itself). I just can't imagine evolved beings wanting to do this. I feel they would find another way. The overall gain would be questionable.

But that's what I'm asking..how do we know that accepting things that appear to be negative will perpetuate negativity? That is sort of the whole game of spiritual progression, because love and acceptance often goes against what our consciousness sees as fact. For me personally, I know that I get tired of having to worry about everything I consume or do and how it is affecting circumstances elsewhere. So sometimes I just don't care. To hell with it, you know? I can't be expected to carry the weight of the world. I really get tired of having to worry about the world and others. To me this frustration signals that I'm denying things within myself. So what I'm suggesting is that if there were certain things we just accept about ourselves, whatever negative thing that it appears we are supporting, it might create a positive transformation elsewhere that would negate said total negativity in the world..or create a doubly positive transformation elsewhere.

Another way of saying the above is that the thing externally that appears to be negative might be representative of some blockage withing ourselves, something that we denied ourselves creating a blockage that we, again, confront in further distorted manner, which we can choose to indulge and accept, or continue on the path of unworthiness.

[Monica]

You are judgmental because you imply that a chosen experience of the Creator be it rape, murder or anything should be denied to that entity because you do not value the experience yourself. It is always a chosen experience.

So, if that person has chosen to be murdered or raped, should we oblige by murdering or raping them?

[isis]

I am not trying to judge you, I am only fufilling my role here as you are fufulling yours.

There is no good or bad polarity whatever unfold is the fufilling of different desires of the One.

Creation is the perfect arrangement for the fufilling of every desires as Creation is the manifestation of those desires.

STO is STS because it is unconsciously fufilling your desire of being STO which is your service to self. While STS is STO because it is unconsciously fufilling the desires of others of learning lessons that come into being because of this duality.

if you're gonna keep using that word...i guess i'll tell you...you're spelling it wrong...

[Minyatur]

You are judgmental because you imply that a chosen experience of the Creator be it rape, murder or anything should be denied to that entity because you do not value the experience yourself. It is always a chosen experience.

So, if that person has chosen to be murdered or raped, should we oblige by murdering or raping them?

If that was your role, which seems unlikely. This role would be assumed by one in need of the experience which I doubt to be your case. It happens unconsciously by both parties, none yet understanding the purpose of it. Once they reach 4D, they will reflect on the act of the Creator raping or murdering Itself and it will bring greater understanding of other-selves. 

You don't have to be consciously aware of your role, each interaction has it's purpose in mirroring something to you as you mirror back to others. In the end there is only One with the illusion of separateness and not understanding the self and other-selves. There is no one which you are not, you are every role for is not all One?

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I'll add that in no way am I telling you that your way of being is not the way for you to be. How you act is up to your free will and you can view Creation as the perfect converging of inter-balancing inter-dependent free wills. You being here is in no way random, you exist here and now out of all of Creation because this is where you need to be to learn/teach, teach/learn. You do not of think this place as right yet this is the place that corresponds to your needs in reality, the most fitting vibrational place. All has purpose.

[Monica]

You are judgmental because you imply that a chosen experience of the Creator be it rape, murder or anything should be denied to that entity because you do not value the experience yourself. It is always a chosen experience.

So, if that person has chosen to be murdered or raped, should we oblige by murdering or raping them?

If that was your role, which seems unlikely. This role would be assumed by one in need of the experience which I doubt to be your case. It happens unconsciously by both parties, none yet understanding the purpose of it. Once they reach 4D, they will reflect on the act of the Creator raping or murdering Itself and it will bring greater understanding of other-selves. 

You don't have to be consciously aware of your role, each interaction has it's purpose in mirroring something to you as you mirror back to others. In the end there is only One with the illusion of separateness and not understanding the self and other-selves. There is no one which you are not, you are every role for is not all One?

---

I'll add that in no way am I telling you that your way of being is not the way for you to be. How you act is up to your free will and you can view Creation as the perfect converging of inter-balancing inter-dependent free wills. You being here is in no way random, you exist here and now out of all of Creation because this is where you need to be to learn/teach, teach/learn. You do not of think this place as right yet this is the place that corresponds to your needs in reality, the most fitting vibrational place. All has purpose.

Eating animals has the direct consequence of causing suffering and death to sentient beings; it is making the choice to be in that role.

[Diana]

I understand your point. But while it may forward self-acceptance, it would also continue to cause cruelty in the world (the effects of human consumption on other life forms and the planet itself). I just can't imagine evolved beings wanting to do this. I feel they would find another way. The overall gain would be questionable.

But that's what I'm asking..how do we know that accepting things that appear to be negative will perpetuate negativity? That is sort of the whole game of spiritual progression, because love and acceptance often goes against what our consciousness sees as fact. For me personally, I know that I get tired of having to worry about everything I consume or do and how it is affecting circumstances elsewhere. So sometimes I just don't care. To hell with it, you know? I can't be expected to carry the weight of the world. I really get tired of having to worry about the world and others. To me this frustration signals that I'm denying things within myself. So what I'm suggesting is that if there were certain things we just accept about ourselves, whatever negative thing that it appears we are supporting, it might create a positive transformation elsewhere that would negate said total negativity in the world..or create a doubly positive transformation elsewhere.

Another way of saying the above is that the thing externally that appears to be negative might be representative of some blockage withing ourselves, something that we denied ourselves creating a blockage that we, again, confront in further distorted manner, which we can choose to indulge and accept, or continue on the path of unworthiness.

I'm not saying accepting things that appear to be negative would perpetuate negativity. I'm saying it would be bypassing another aspect of reality which could be addressed possibly to better purpose for one who is aware.

I understand the frustration of not being able to do "everything" all the time. That's where self-acceptance comes in. But each individual must set those boundaries for themselves. No one should "carry the weight of the world." The only thing a person carries is their own stuff. So if you can't do everything, or certain things, or anything about helping the world, that's okay with me. But it must be okay with you. If you can't worry about what you eat all the time, I hope it is with kindness for and acceptance of yourself. If you feel background or subconscious twinges, I would work that out if I were you.

On the other hand, I do understand some of the comments in this thread about not getting involved here with human activities. But I personally could not just come here as a wanderer and do as the natives do, and indulge in whatever knowing I contribute to suffering. No, I can't do everything. But I can make conscious choices every time I make a choice. If I decide to eat cake at a party, I can forgive myself and enjoy with abandon. To analyze all the consequences of eating cake is often beyond my capacity at any given moment in time. But I couldn't forgive myself for eating animals that have been tortured, lived horrible lives, and were slaughtered mercilessly. I am fully aware of the plight of meat animals and can't pretend not to be, and I need no time or brain power to process that information and make a decision on what to eat. (I could say more about not eating animals at all, but I want to stay on point.) These are MY boundaries, based on My integrity, not anyone else's. And I endeavor to live this way. I fail often (not regarding eating animals—that I haven't done in 21 years) but that doesn't stop me from sticking to my goals and endeavoring to make every choice conscious, with self-acceptance, and with a glad heart.

[native]

Certainly, I agree with all that. I realize that I was leaving certain things out that may have made my logic sound fuzzy. When there are things we feel passionate about, we should embrace them of course. I do not suggest going against our guilty feelings and instead just accept whatever negative aspect we are dealing with. I agree that we need to set boundaries.

To sort of clear things up, I have taken on opinions or habits in the past in an attempt to be a better person which felt right at the time, but later on came to realize that I just didn't enjoy doing what I was doing. This suggests that in the same way that we can be unconscious to higher principles, we can also be totally unconscious about our truest balance.