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    01-25-2015, 06:00 PM
    Hi -- I don't participate much at all here but appreciate B4th and this forum.  This is just a quick fictional piece that I came up with this Sunday morning when I had some time to write when, unexpectedly, none of my usual PBS programs were on.

    Just as unexpectedly this idea of a 6D SMC 'Xandria' popped up with this possible future channeling scenario.

    This piece is totally futuristic and fictional but is meant to be speculative and hints as to who Xandria is -- which most of you will easily get.

    The topics are Ra derived and meant as an appreciation for the Ra Material.

    So, for entertainment purposes only...

    The Xandria Material


    Did you hear about this 10 book series consisting of 300 Q&A sessions (each session approx 6 hours long with approx 60 Q&A's)?  

    Each session is conducted by a dedicated channel group of 9 people who are divided into 3 sub-channel groups of 3 people who channel on a sequential and rotational basis whereby the 1st group channels for the first 2 hours, the 2nd group channels the next 2 hours and the 3rd group channels the last 2 hours.

    Each sub-channel group consists of a questioner, channel instrument and tuning instrument and has the following gender pattern among the 3 groups -- M,F,M -- F,M,F -- F,F,M.

    Each subgroup has their 'areas of interest' loosely categorized as science/mathematics, philosophy/metaphysics, and theology/sociology with much cross-over between subjects so as to strive to be cohesive and holistic during each session.

    Who is Xandria? They are from the Milky Way galaxy and are a 6th density SMC of approx 700 million MBS complexes who consisted originally of 15 seemingly disparate 3rd density planetary races who merged on one planet to collectively graduate to +4th density and then to 5th and 6th density.    

    Xandria's racial, intellectual and spiritual integration was a challenge during 4th density but led to a richness of variety, and of versatility and depth of knowledge that supercedes the single homogeneous planetary races of much smaller population that experience much less challenging integration and thus less depth of insight and wisdom during their 3rd and 4th density experience.

    Xandria's insight and versatility is shown by their ability to interact and communicate with many seemingly disparate 3rd density planetary societies with more cohesion and less discordance and with many unique 4th, 5th and 6th density SMC's from the gravitationally-bound 'Local Group' of 60 galaxies which includes the Milky Way, Andromeda, Triangulum, Tucana, Sextans, etc -- our local Galactic Cluster Logos.

    They have tested and extended their versatility and adaptability by allowing some
    adventurous and courageous members of their SMC to transmigrate as Nomadic Monads (Monadic Nomads), or with the poetic name of 'Wingless Angels', to 3rd density planets located in the outer borders of our Virgo Supercluster of galaxies.

    When called to be channelled, Xandria's main purpose is to convey the Infinity/Unity Principle (IUP) and One Creator Panentheism. There is much deliberation and discourse about the initial variants of IUP called the Primal Triad of Free Will, Love and Light which extends to the dynamic and applicable Hexad of Will/Love, Love/Will, Will/Light, Light/Will, Love/Light, Light/Love and their infinite variant manifestations.

    Other topics of discourse include the Roots of Unity, Mythos/Topos/Logos complexes, the Physical/Transphysical/Metaphysical Triad of the Reciprocal System, the beauty and necessity of the Free Will/Determinism dynamic (ie Chaos Theory and Fractal Geometry), Tone Poems and Tone Poetry, Bio-Logics and Metanoia, Psycho/Spirito-Logics and the Affections (philosophy of Love), polarities of Inner/Outer Focus, Inner/Outer Care Concern, Care Concern for Self/Other, Service to Self/Other, the various Theisms and Deisms, etc.

    Xandria always ends a session by saying 'Grateful for All and Wish All Well' and then adds the acronym in an Aflack duck voice 'GAWAW!' just for good measure which usually causes the questioner and tuning instrument to have a healthy laugh and allow for a welcoming awakening of the channel instrument.
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    01-27-2015, 02:07 AM (This post was last modified: 01-27-2015, 08:40 AM by Dekalb_Blues.)
    Truth is stranger than fiction, 4DS-y!  ; )
    (Cf  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6q37n7GDCY at about 01:40 ff )
    lol-- for a brief shining moment I thought I was going to learn about the subtle spiritual nexus between the All and (of all things in the universe) the sensual-enhancement-aids [*ahem*] mail-order company, Xandria.com, of Gaye Raymond (entrepreneurial wife of mega-knickers-vendor Victoria's Secret's founder Roy R.)-- which company's endeavour is, of course, a perfectly valid and laudable way, I should think, of sharing light/love in the midst of potentially very sorrow-inducing catalyst. I do so wish you had thus provided the true scoop on the esoteric cosmic-allegory dimension of the ineffable Mystery-Clad Being that is adumbrated in the enigma of The Plain Brown Wrapper...

    Your playful metaphorical recasting of something that rings a bell somehow more than somewhat (and which more than a few frequenting this forum perhaps take a little too dead-solemn-seriously) is tray bong, tray tray bong-- well done!  Sounds a bit like my delightful and totally unexpected run-in with the myterious and proudly-pseudoextant Hathorian Mitchellians from the planet Jo-ni, who communicate Earthwise synaesthetically via an elegantly holistic potpourri of musicpaintingcouturelyrics, and who have as their sessional sign-off the acronym SISTOWBELL ("Somehow, In Spite Of Trouble, Ours Will Be Ever-Lasting Love")...

    Personally, now that I've been run through the strange mercy of various preparational grinding-mills (that of the Ra being one of them) and thanks to the mighty power of egregiously lunatic extraperceptual irresponsibility gained therefrom-- I find that I'm attuned to programs that typically turn up missing in the generally unprogressive repertoire of the terrestrial broadcasting systems (much less, in particular, in the sadly co-opted Propagandic-B.S. feed therein), and that because of this I'm free now to shamelessly luxuriate in more-advanced televisual emanations from the Artist-Superorganism Formerly Known As, Among Other Things, The Void, whose selflessly-distributed baraka is often experienced by its receptors as the artistic inspiration leading to killer tunes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HjMcY50Kc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whpQxE9HbIc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkwym8Ryfqk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF177Aj59C8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrIIW_pKLBA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmDKI4sDJw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JySQE4axlJY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK2uTtuI...4w&index=1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5twt5oCUTM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbbJIh_BG4  
    http://vimeo.com/108650530
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qnvrsA_Fc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg_EYc3SFuQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBzAg8NuDk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Usb26HywtU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrCk5ZWt3a8
    und so weiter.  Cheers!
    Cool Heart
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    02-08-2015, 04:47 PM
    Hi there DB! -- appreciate your feedback and zany humor. It's nice to know the 3 Stooges are still relevant!

    For those who didn't get the hint Xandria is actually our future planetary collective which made a modest 4D graduation of 700 million  -- about 8% of the total of incarnates and discarnates which I estimate is approx 9 billion.

    From what I gather this is comparable to Scott Mandelker's estimate and have enjoyed listening to his take of the Ra Material and his own original thoughts of various topics. He says he plans to 'shake up the Council of Saturn' with a few choice recommendations when he makes his return debut, and that I don't doubt!

    Speaking of original thoughts here's some more story telling and speculating regarding our future 6D SMC who have encountered a 3D planetary humanoid race who are finishing their 3D cycle.

    BTW, Xandria is possibly derived from the ancient city of Alexandria which was known for the its great library of collected world knowledge and meeting of scholars. The famous female philosopher Hypatia taught there and reference is made to her below.

    So, again for entertainment only, a segment of a channeled session from Xandria.

    Q. You referred to the philosophy of Love as 'the Affections'. What is so unique and special about the term 'affection'?

    A. Firstly, the term 'affect' is defined as 'the conscious subjective aspect of feeling or emotion'. It is our experience that feeling and emotion logically precedes or underlies the experience of loving in the personal, interpersonal and transpersonal sense. Thus 'affection' is considered by us as a root term for 'love' when applied to these domains.

    Secondly, we consider that the term 'affection' has a richness of meaning or semantics which allows for effective translation of abstract forms of love to concrete forms of love. A multitude of dialectic variants, or relationships, can be derived for philosophical interpretation in terms of the polarities of inward/outward focus, inward/outward care concern, care concern for self/other, service to self/other.

    Some standard relationships are:

    Mother/Son  -- Son/Mother
    Mother/Daughter -- Daughter/Mother
    Father/Son -- Son/Father
    Father/Daughter -- Daughter/Father

    Boy/pet Dog -- pet Dog/Boy
    Boy/pet Cat -- pet Cat/Boy
    Girl/pet Dog -- pet Dog/Girl
    Girl/pet Cat -- pet Cat/Girl

    Notice the variety of 'feelings of affection' and how subtle and nuanced they are which, in turn, provides a rich basis for a philosophy of Love, for Psychology and for Spiritology.

    Q. That is certainly interesting and seems to be quite comprehensive but what do you mean by 'abstract forms of love'? I think I understand the concrete forms of love per your examples but could you give an example of an abstract form of love?

    A. Yes we are thrilled to share with you the following abstract formula which we call:

    The Algebra of Dyadic Love
    note: algebra means 'reunion of broken parts'

    (A+B) x (B+A) = the seven expressions of Fusion Love

    Mathematically and quantitatively, A and B are abstract variables for numbers and + and x are mathematical operations.

    Now, metamathematically and qualitatively, 'number' refers to 'nombre' or 'name' or 'identity' or 'vibrational being' and the operations, '+ and x' have extended metaphysical meaning and application.

    Given this let us now substitute our philosopher friends Plato and Hypatia for A and B.

    (Plato + Hypatia) x (Hypatia + Plato) is interpreted as 'Plato posits Hypatia and Hypatia posits Plato'

    The additive process 'posits' means 'affirms the existence, essence and truth of' -- also 'to acquiesce'.

    The conjoining process 'and' means 'interweaves/multiplies with' -- also 'to coalesce and expand'.  

    Are these definitions understandable in your view?

    Q.Yes they are, thank you. Can you now explain how you derive these seven expressions of Fusion Love and why does it happen to be seven?

    A. Yes we can explicate further. Simply just do the math as you say! Multiplying, adding and resolving by factoring creates seven unique algebraic expressions of personal/interpersonal relationship involving merging, melding and transdimensional expansion.

    For example one expression is A^2 + AB + BA + B^2 which shows personal melding and dimensional expansion, A^2 and B^2, and interpersonal melding and dimensional expansion, AB and BA. This is closest to total fusion and transcendence and requires working through the other relationship expressions.

    Another example shown by the resolution or factoring process is the expression A(A + B) + (A + B)B which offers the opportunity for a greater individual perspective of the interplay of each other's affections without dimensional expansion but with honest mutual feedback.

    These seven expressions can be displayed as an interconnecting and dynamic seven-fold system or Septad which allows for continuous transition from one expression to another, thus providing opportunity for continuous evolution of a couple's affections and awareness.

    A convenient summation to keep in mind is the 3 stage process of acquiescence, coalescence, transcendence.

    We openly disclose the fact that this formula was applied with much success during our 4th density process of integration which was also enhanced by 4D uncloaking or unveiling of our subconscious.  

    In order to sufficiently integrate our population of 700 million we applied this formula not only to individuals but also to small individual groups and then further to progressively larger individual groups. An example of this is the intermediate stage of integration of our aquatic Dolphinian group with our humanoid Denebian group.

    Q. This is most remarkable! What an elegant formula and process for achieving such collective harmony! I thank you...we thank you...for sharing this in such detail. We may need to ask follow-up questions as we explore this further. Do you mind sharing more if we need to ask further?

    A. We are open to further questions but only after you have applied your own research and development and made discoveries that are unique to your level of being. We appreciate that your planetary race is one that values independent thinking and 'holy curiosity' while keeping to a minimum the so-called 'appeals to authority' for answers. We strive to only appeal to Free Will and encourage much questioning and critique of our material.

    We end this session by being grateful to all and wishing all well.....gawaw!
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    02-15-2015, 01:34 PM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2015, 07:17 PM by 4Dsunrise. Edit Reason: *All is One -- everything is you One is All -- you are everything )
    Just speculation, but I think that there is a large population of talented college educated 4th density graduates, many who have backgrounds or degrees in philosophy, theology, the humanities and sciences and who will be the intellectual backbone for the Terran SMC, Xandria.

    We should expect that they will do their own research and development of esoteric and philosophical material ie Ra and make revisions unique to their sensibilities.  

    In that vein, here's another snippet of a channel session.

    Q. You have stressed the importance of the Infinity/Unity Principle or IUP. Can you elaborate as to it's meaning and implications?

    A. Yes, we shall elaborate.

    There is actually a two-fold reciprocal nature to the IUP. There is the Infinity/Unity aspect and the Unity/Infinity aspect. Existentially, Infinity preceded Unity but found its essence through Unity through focus and formulation and became aware. Unity gains being and awareness through the dynamism and activity of Infinity. Thus these two aspects are equally significant and form a Dyad.


    Infinity/Unity means 'All is One' and is called the Law of All or LoA.
    Colloquially, one can say 'All is I' which allows an inward focus from the All to oneself.

    Unity/Infinity means 'One is All' and is called the Law of One or LOO.
    Colloquially, one can say 'I am All' which allows an outward focus from oneself to the All.

    When we were stumbling and fumbling our way through 3rd density an important and beloved teacher from our sister planet Venus shared with us the LOO.

    For LOO, projection or outward focus is emphasized by stating 'You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation...you are...All.'

    For LoA, injection or inward focus is emphasized by stating 'Every thing is you, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation...All is...you.'

    So, as you can see, the IUP is inclusive and complete and states 'One is All and All is One' and colloquially,  'You are every thing and every thing is you.' *

    The distinction between LoA and LOO may seem subtle but it is significant for allowing the emergence of polarity and evolution.

    A rather simple example of the IUP was from our own John Lennon who shared this sentiment with the lyrics 'I am you and you are me and we are we...and we are all together...coo coo cachoo!'

    These lyrics portray the essence of the algebra formula for Dyadic Love and were practiced by the John Lennon/Yoko Ono dyad with mixed results. At times John 'fell off the wagon' so to speak but such a falling was important catalyst for their mutual karma and lessons of fidelity and forgiveness.

    Is this description of the IUP of sufficient clarity?

    Q. Yes, that was quite clear, thank you.  If it's possible we would like to know more about the implications as relates to One Creator Panentheism and the Primal Triad.   

    A. We shall be happy to share but will have to close this session since we sense that the tuning instrument has an intestinal requirement that quickly approaches the level of  'unstoppable force' and must be palliated as soon as possible. We suggest that ingestion of extra spicy meals be avoided prior to a channeling session.

    Q. Haha! Message received! We shall add that to our protocol. Thank you for your patience and we look forward to the next session.
     
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    02-22-2015, 04:20 PM (This post was last modified: 02-22-2015, 04:31 PM by 4Dsunrise.)
    When doing a quick scan of some of my Quo pdfs I found from one of the Quo sessions this remark which I assume pertains to Carla.

    Quo said: There is a saying upon this instrument’s wall, “All is in the All, and the All is All.”

    This seems close to an expression of panentheism -- so right on cue here's a version of that notion by the futuristic and fictional Xandria SMC.

    Q. We are very curious about your notion of One Creator Panentheism. We would first like to know your definition of panentheism and how it is derived from the IUP.

    A. You are correct to indicate what is meant by our 'notion' of One Creator Panentheism because in your veiled and complex 3rd density there can be several variants of this system.

    There is also much confusion with the related systems of pantheism, pandeism, panendeism, monotheism, monism -- each having several variants of their own.

    When you graduate to 4th density our notion of panentheism will perhaps become more clear.

    Consider the following definitions and constructions.

    Oneness predicates en-theism which means 'in God' and 'God within' asserting 'I am the Creator' for an individual being and allows for self-focus, care, concern and service.

    Allness predicates pan-en-theism which means 'All in God' and 'God within All' asserting 'We are all co-Creators' for all individual beings and allows for other-focus, care, concern and service.

    Entheism is a component of panentheism and therefore allowed expression in the STS fashion but within certain parameters indicated by the Roots of Unity.

    This is the first part of the definition of One Creator Panentheism. Panentheism is also defined as a synthesis of monotheism and pantheism and addresses the remaining part..

    Consider the following definitions and constructions.

    Oneness predicates mono-theism which means 'One God' or the One Creator of the Universe which has beingness and an origin and a destiny -- in other words a divine and transcendent purpose.

    Allness predicates pan-theism which means 'All is God' in the sense that God is the Universe and all its phenomena. The Universe or Creation is considered as the body of God which allows knowing the nature of the Creator but not of Its origin or destiny.

    This part of the definition means that the Creator is All and One and more than the totality of existence - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Its Oneness expresses monotheistic transcendence and its Allness expresses pantheistic immanence.

    To summarize the One Creator sub-divides and takes form as co-Creators to experience Itself through pantheistic immanence while Its mystery of origin, destiny and purpose is experienced through monotheistic transcendence.

    The term One Creator Panentheism is unique but also ponderous and may be better expressed in abbreviated form as OCP. All-One-Theism is also an appropriate term to consider.

    Speaking of ponderous, we feel your need to 'catch your breath' from this mental exertion and allow you to ponder further at your own pace.

    Q. Yes, that was quite the answer but we got what we ask for, thank you.
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    02-22-2015, 07:16 PM
    Panentheism is what I have believed.

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    03-01-2015, 03:13 PM
    I just read that it was the 85th anniversary of Don Elkins' birth.

    Thanks goes to him, Jim and Carla for being trailblazers and cutting through the 90% bunk of New Age narcissism and profiteering.

    The Ra Material is really worthy of being taught at university but perhaps will be during the 4th density of this planet in whatever educational settings are provided.

    Anybody want to volunteer for another tour of duty and teach in early 4D? I'm almost tempted but I'll pass. I sense that there's alot of quality young people who are qualified to carry on the teaching role.

    Here's a session about these deep thinking young people who would benefit from a philosophical treatment and presentation of the Ra Material -- just my opinion.

    Q. We have many atheists and agnostics among our population.

    They ask puzzling questions such as:  "Does the creation require a creator?' or 'Could our universe have arisen without design, intent or purpose?' or 'Why not an eternally existing universe without a creator versus an eternally existing creator?'

    Our philosophers ask 'Why is there something rather than nothing?'
    They question the so-called First Cause, 'Who created the Creator...and who created the One who created the Creator...and who created the One that created the One that created the Creator...?' What is the rationale for this infinite regression?

    We are perplexed and befuddled by these questions, but they appear valid and worthy of addressing.  

    In your 3rd density experience did you ponder these questions and if so how did you resolve them through your panentheism or All-One-Theism?
     
    A. We surmise a plurality of ontological questions from you that require an overview approach.

    To your last question, we did indeed ponder these same questions during our 3rd density experience. We had our share of atheists and agnostics who dared to ask the tough questions which would force much philosophical and theological debate. Many of these atheists and agnostics were sincere humanists who easily graduated to our 4th density but then continued the debate while free of the velvet fog of veiled consciousness.

    One of these antagonists was our quasi-pandeist Albert Einstein who asked 'What I want to know is whether God had any choice in the creation of the Universe.'  In other words, does the Creator have free will to choose to come into being or not come into being?

    This was an appealing question because it encompassed your philosopher's questions of 'Why something rather than nothing?' and First Cause -- both which address the issue of choice.

    We feel that the First Cause was an Absolute Determinism whereby primal Non-Beingness must emerge into Beingness -- primal Non-Existence must emerge into Existence -- primal Nothingness must emerge into Somethingness. Our IUP asserts that primal Infinity must emerge into Unity.

    This Absolute Invariant Determinism was the Original Thought that predicated a fixed, constant deterministic choice -- one that is invariant and necessary and infused with awareness and purpose.

    This Determinism, by definition predicated 'laws', 'maxims', 'principles', etc whereby from this Absolute Invariance emerges Absolute Variance or the Free Will Principle. As the initial counter-reaction to Invariance or Constancy it is natural that this principle is by definition the 1st Variation and is infused with awareness and will.

    The natural counter-reaction to this 1st Variation or Free Will Principle is to revert back to Absolute Invariance or Absolute Constancy -- a return to the Source that is infused with awareness, inspiration and deep affection and is called the Love Principle and is the 2nd Variation.

    The alternating reciprocation between Free Will and Love -- called the Free Will/Determinism Dynamic -- generates primal Vibration and results in the 3rd Variation called the Light Principle which is infused with awareness and desire to manifest -- to Being and Becoming -- by which the Creator experiences Itself.

    So, as you can see, the Original Thought of Absolute Determinism begets the Primal Triad and its triadic nature begets the Dynamic Hexad and a Creation of infinite richness.

    To summarize, the Creator had no choice but to come into being and to desire to experience Itself through All-One-Theism so that it can pursue the mystery of the Original Thought of Determinism and Purpose.

    Q. It is fascinating to consider how determinism plays such a key role. Is it a fair statement to say that this kind of determinism transcends the rather mundane scientific kind of mechanistic determinism?

    A. Yes, this is quite so.

    Q. Is it also fair to say that in a very fundamental sense, that Determinism needs Free Will and the converse that Free Will needs Determinism?

    A. For Creation to manifest and the Creator to have Being this is of, may we say, sublime necessity, and sublime necessity is expressed by the concept of the Logos which has been called the divine ordering principle of Creation which is infused with awareness, purpose and inspiration and thus the spiritual aspect of the Mythos/Topos/Logos Triad.

    Q. I think we will call this a session before my head explodes! Just kidding...this was most illuminating and we plan to visit a few nearby universities and present this session to philosophy students and others in a colloquium setting.

    We feel that your material is of the clarity and profundity of your Plato and Aristotle and other philosophical luminaries and is worthy of exposition to the academic mainstream. We have a support staff who are more than ready to create Power Point presentations and go on tour to universities and engage in discussion and Q & A's with students.

    Do you feel that this is a sound decision and worthwhile effort?

    A. We, as always, appeal to Free Will and wish you well in your efforts. We do feel that your younger generation of students are a receptive population who are ever curious and ever questioning, so be prepared for an adventurous ride with the caveat that it is okay to plead ignorance of deep questions -- as any honest expositor would do.

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    03-02-2015, 01:12 PM
    To respond to your first musing, heck yes I'm coming back. Things are getting better and better, albeit slowly. I'm not gonna put in all this hard work in 2015 and miss our on all the awesome stuff to come in the next few centuries.

    I want to be here on Earth on the day that we finally say, no one is in a cage any longer (literal especially but figuratively as well). FREEDOM FOR ALL! We're gonna do that, why bail out of the roller coaster before you get to the top of the hill?
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    03-03-2015, 07:58 AM
    "There is no magic greater than honest distortion toward love. " Perfect! I cast that magic all i may. Jade is one of my birthstones, &  bridges the event horizon between my past & future.  Freedom is ours this moment ... the "already-not-yet" of unfoldment, just as the rose bud is the certainty of the flower in full bloom. ... life-light-love-libra=L/L/L/L. This path we have chosen, from many, yet all paths are one path ... the beauty is in the illusion, yet we may understand the path does indeed arrive at its final destination with the first foot-fall upon it.




    (03-02-2015, 01:12 PM)Jade Wrote: To respond to your first musing, heck yes I'm coming back. Things are getting better and better, albeit slowly. I'm not gonna put in all this hard work in 2015 and miss our on all the awesome stuff to come in the next few centuries.

    I want to be here on Earth on the day that we finally say, no one is in a cage any longer (literal especially but figuratively as well). FREEDOM FOR ALL! We're gonna do that, why bail out of the roller coaster before you get to the top of the hill?
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    03-07-2015, 01:28 PM
    Where is this material found online?

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    03-15-2015, 05:42 PM
    To Jade -- love your enthusiasm. You sound alot like spiritual warriors ie Sean Stone, Abby Martin, Peter Joseph... to name a few. They're courageous and inspirational.

    To Gemini -- you must have skipped the OP cuz this is the fictional material of a not so humble messenger of the Infinity/Unity Principle! Kidding aside, I appreciate the interest.

    For this post, thanks goes to David Wilcock and his Progenitor theory of interstellar outcasts which reminded me of StarTrek's Q Continuum and it's zany character. Also a big thanks to Quo for the following info.

    Quo mentions that beings are derived from combining units of Free Will and Love which they call Absolute Variance and Absolute Constancy. My take is that Determinism is synonymous with Love because 'you are determined, you have meaning and purpose, there is a reason for your existence' -- the sentiment of Logos or Love.

    Q. We attempted our first philosophical treatment and presentation of the Xandria Material at a nearby university. All things considered, it went quite well and students and faculty appreciated our efforts to think and speak philosophically and to accept open-ended questions with open minds.

    During the Q&A students had questions regarding the traditional monotheistic Omni-God and of meta-ethics and the origin of good and evil.

    They pulled no punches and were sincere and intense when they asked:

    1. Is this One Infinite Creator a fatherly Omni-God who is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-loving, etc? Do not the terms one and infinite entail omni-ism? If so, how does this Creator allow activities ie satanic torturing of kittens and small children? Where is the so-called 'love and light' during their excruciating suffering? Can a very focused will and intent override 'love and light'? How does Xandria's All-One-Theism reconcile this?

    2. There is a branch of theology called theodicy that defends God's goodness and justice in the face of the existence of evil. Does Xandria have a coherent theodicy that is logically consistent and complete?

    3. Meta-ethics is the branch of ethics that seeks to understand the metaphysical nature of ethical properties. Major meta-ethical questions are the following. Is there such a thing as natural ethical laws that are objective and universal? If so, what purpose does evil serve? Natural ethical laws imply a 'moral absolutism' so does a complementary 'moral relativism' exist as suggested by Free Will and its complementary relationship to Determinism?

    Could Xandria address these questions and share their meta-ethical philosophy?

    As you can see these questions are well thought out and we were not quite prepared to address the ethical issues. Even so, we attempted by explaining the 'appeal to Free Will' for allowing so-called evil to exist, but which then elicited a collective 'uh...huh' from the students. Not too convincing we admit.

    Could you please elucidate on these questions or perhaps focus on one particular question and elaborate? We appreciate your willingness to address them.

    A. Yes, we welcome such challenges! We do commend you and these students for such sincere truth-seeking and leaving no stone unturned. All good educators attune to the background knowledge and level of awareness of their students and your efforts to understand the philosophical terminology and phraseology and to relate to fresh-thinking and feeling souls is most efficacious.

    Now, addressing these questions allows us the opportunity to introduce our notion of the Mythos/Topos/Logos Triad and of some, but not all, ethical properties of the seven-fold chakra system.

    In the previous session we spoke of the Logos as the spirit aspect of the Triad with the following response: For Creation to manifest and the Creator to have Being this is of, may we say, sublime necessity, and sublime necessity is expressed by the concept of the Logos which has been called the divine ordering principle of Creation which is infused with awareness, purpose and inspiration and thus the spiritual aspect of the Mythos/Topos/Logos Triad.


    The infinity of spirit is greater than the infinity of consciousness and of form, and thus Logos can be used in a standalone fashion when referring to a galaxy or sun or planet or an entity such yourselves. It is at times convenient to call your sun a Solar Logos and at other times to call it a Solar Mythos/Topos/Logos Complex or MTL Complex when deeper understanding is required. The term Mind/Body/Spirit Complex is directly derived from the abstract Mythos/Topos/Logos Complex which encompasses all forms of being.

    Here is a brief synopsis of each aspect of this triad.

    Logos -- spirit aspect, divine governing principle, order and harmony, theme, love directed
    Mythos -- mind aspect, imagination, explication, narrative, plot, will directed
    Topos --  body aspect, structure and function, setting, light directed

    We now pause to ask you if this notion feels relevant to you in an intuitive fashion.

    Q. Your synopsis is most helpful and it has a good feel so to speak. Thanks for asking and please continue.

    A. Skipping some steps and jumping forward we shall describe the basics of creation of beings such as yourselves in the context of the seven-fold chakra system and a few of its ethical parameters or properties.

    The Logos allows the sublime necessity of Beingness whose infinity inspires the Mythos to ideate. Purpose and meaning underlie consciousness of mind and form of body.

    The ideation of the Mythos allows the consideration of a unit or monad of Free Will and a unit or monad of Determinism which is Absolute Variance and Absolute Constancy, respectively. The dyadic merging of these monads creates the seed of beingness -- of entities such as yourselves.

    The Mythos provides a template or schematic in the abstract Platonic realm whereby a monad is conceived of as a circle which is an ideal Platonic form -- also considered archetypal and infused with meaning via the Logos.

    The merging or intersecting of two circles form a vesica pisces which has vertex/vortex points that interconnect in dyadic and triadic fashion to form the seven energy centers within the intersection. Interconnecting lines form the nadis of ida, pingala, and sushumna.

    The 'fleshing out' of this chakra system takes place via the Topos which extends the merging of 1-spheres or circles to merging 2-spheres, merging 3-spheres and so on continuing up to merging 7-spheres whose structure and properties you experience at a presently limited level.

    For our purposes the merging circles and vesica pisces schematic is sufficient to describe the ethical nature of the chakra system with the addition of applying the Roots of Unity to describe the natural polarity of each energy center. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd roots of Unity or of the Monad provide a quantitative basis for natural ethical laws to be derived and the notion of moral absolutism to be considered.

    We again skip the details regarding the mathematics for determining polarity and percentage values and jump to the application of CCS or Care Concern for Self and CCO or Care Concern for Other as relatable polar expressions of intent and affection.  These provide a general qualitative basis for allowing the notion of moral relativism to be considered.

    Here is a synopsis of the energy centers of this vastly elaborate system.

    Red is 86.6% CCS and 13.4% CCO of one's own kind -- personal affections
    Orange is 57.7% CCS and 42.3% CCO of one's own kind -- interpersonal affections

    Yellow is 28.8% CCS and 71.2% CCO of one's own kind -- conditional transpersonal affections including emergence of Care Concern for Transpersonal Self or CCTS

    The ROY triad expresses focused will and intent for self-preservation and preservation of one's interpersonal and group relations.

    Green is 0% CCS and 100% CCO of all kinds -- unconditional transpersonal affections including emergence of Care Concern for Transpersonal Other or CCTO.

    This is the emergence of true transpersonal and transcendental affection by which the Algebra of Dyadic Love can be applied. ROYG produces 4D STO.

    Blue is 28.8% CCO of all kinds and 71.2% CCS -- both conditional and unconditional transpersonal affections with strong focus for inner knowing and CCTS

    ROYGB favors unconditional affections and produces 5D STO while ROYB favors conditional affections and produces 4D and 5D STS.

    Indigo is 57.7% CCO of all kinds and 42.3% CCS -- both conditional and unconditional transpersonal affections with strong focus for integration of Oneness or LOO.

    ROYBI favors conditional affections and produces 6D STS that asserts a self-worshiping variant of the LOO ('I am the One') but converts to ROYGBI in 6.4D as polarities merge.

    Violet is 86.6% CCO of all kinds and 13.4% CCS -- both conditional and unconditional transpersonal affections with strong focus for integration of Allness or LoA

    ROYGBIV produces Buddhic beingness and, in Star Trek Next Generation terms, one becomes a Q of the Q Continuum by which Q refers to Quintessence and Q Continuum is the continuum or infinity of spirit.

    We find that you are reaching 'head exploding' levels and a wrapping up of this session is noted.

    Do you have one final question?

    Q. We did not cover the Omni-God question. Do you have a quick answer as to why your All-One-Theism reconciles various issues regarding the notion of One Infinite Creator?

    A. Please consider contemplating the Free Will/Determinism dynamic in terms of a zooming in of the Mandelbrot Set and observing deterministic, yet free ranging, karmic cause-effect formations that never stay static as one continues to zoom in. On a meditative and contemplative level of this infinite process one may feel Logoic harmony and the affection of Faith and Trust may be realized.

    Where a descriptive answer fails we attempt to provide this prescriptive answer which has potential for BEE which acronyms for 'being, embodying, and experiencing'.

    So we suggest that you strive to BEE the Mandelbrot Set Mythos/Topos/Logos Complex to gain new insight.

    Q. That is most apropos and it sounds as though a group experience of this kind of cinematic excursion into the Mandelbrot MTL Complex would magnify the effect.

    A. Yes, most certainly. We also enjoyed this group experience along with a few StarTrek episodes of Q and his antics.

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    03-27-2015, 07:23 PM (This post was last modified: 03-27-2015, 07:33 PM by 4Dsunrise.)
    That last question in the last session was rushed. It didn't give the futuristic Earth SMC of Xandria much of a chance to explain and defend their position. 

    I don't know if Quo has been asked this question but if so would someone who knows give a link or date of session? 

    The channel groups and Xandria are ready to move on from this question but it begs answering and is foundational for other ethical questions, so has value.  

    Q. We feel at the end of the last session that we rushed through and glossed over the important question regarding the traditional Omni-God. The students who asked were quite sincere and were not interested in 'appeals to authority' or 'God's will' to reconcile various acts of an Omni-God.

    We do appreciate your prescriptive answer but would like to attempt a descriptive account and carefully analyze and explore each part of the question they raised. We feel you deserve the chance to fully address each part. Would that be possible?

    A. Yes, we welcome the opportunity to address more fully this question which our own people in 3rd density have pondered, for it is natural at even a young age to ask 'why all the suffering?'.

    Q. Thank you. This would be most helpful since we have been invited to make a follow-up visit to the university to expand on various topics and cover more ground. Here again is their question which we must emphasize is towards a traditional notion of a monotheistic Omni-God and not your panentheistic notion of All-One-Theism.  

    Is this One Infinite Creator a fatherly Omni-God who is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-loving, etc? Do not the terms one and infinite entail omni-ism? If so how does this Creator allow activities ie satanic torturing of kittens and small children? Where is the so-called 'love and light' during their excruciating suffering? Can a very focused will and intent override 'love and light'? How does Xandria's All-One-Theism reconcile this?

    Please repeat and address each part if you would be so kind?

    A. Certainly, we shall apply our notion of panentheism as we answer. Let's begin.

    Is this One Infinite Creator a fatherly Omni-God who is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-loving, etc?

    Regarding the notion of 'fatherly', an Omni-God is all-relating -- a father, mother, sister, brother, grandfather, grandmother, aunt, uncle, 1st cousin....you see what we mean? An omni-faceted and all-inclusive family member of any and all gender with no restrictive role. But why stop there? All-relating includes friend, lover, counselor, etc, which is also omni-faceted.

    An Omni-God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, but also omnifarious which is of all varieties, forms and kinds and therefore expresses both positive and negative polarities.

    An Omni-God is all-loving which entails being all-accepting and all-tolerating so then includes our beloved satanic brethren and their acts of torture.

    An Omni-God is all-curious which appears paradoxical if already omniscient. If one is all-knowing what is there to be curious of? That question alone requires curiosity and is key to generating a self-imposed ignorance and thus an all-creative, all-experiential quest which includes the experience of our beloved tortured kitten and child.

    The saying 'curiosity killed the cat' may seem offensive and despicable in this context but exemplifies the possible/probable risks involved when venturing into the unknown realms of Free Will and Determinism.

    Q. We must interject and respond to your 'curiosity killed the cat' analogy. It feels as though an Omni-God is amoral and indifferent to what it experiences, if that makes sense.

    A. It is perceived as such when one takes an all-moral and all-feeling stance. This is where the Law of All is essential for inducing wisdom during both 5th and 7th density. But we digress. To the next question.

    Do not the terms one and infinite entail omni-ism?


    Yes they do but they also entail mystery which entails curiosity and the aforementioned risks.

    If so how does this Creator allow activities ie satanic torturing of kittens and small children?

    As mentioned, omnifarious, omni-tolerating and omni-curious qualities bring forth such allowance.

    Where is the so-called 'love and light' during their excruciating suffering?


    This is a critical question which is understandably upsetting for these CCO and heart-centered students. Where is this so-called 'love and light' during their suffering? It seems obvious that it is no where to be found for the kitten and child -- only terror and unbearable physical and emotional pain that will scar these entities for several life cycles.

    It therefore is, at most, repressed love and light which the will of the satanic torturers impose during that suffering experience and then a battle of wills between torturers/tortured allows variant love and light effects after the experience. This is explained by the interactions within the Dynamic Hexad and a topic for later discussion.

    As derived from the IUP and the Primal Triad of Free Will, Love and Light it is logically and naturally considered the 'will, love and light' of the Creator for a complete and accurate description of the Creator's actions. So, more accurately, there is 'will, love and light' during the kitten and child experience but with very little love and light at that moment.

    Continuing further as to reasons for the suffering, could it be that the kitten and child had karmic debts that they wished to pay to alter their path of polarity? Possibly...the kitten perhaps once a night-stalking, man-eating tiger and the child perhaps once a savage murdering marauder.

    But perhaps not, perhaps they are relatively young souls whose karmic patterns were simple and mundane and so therefore they were compelled to take the fool's dive off a cliff and be inserted into a risky and uncertain situation which led to their unprecedented experience.

    In this case the initial spin of the wheel of karma has begun for these young souls which shall be directed by will, love and light as their karmic patterns evolve.

    To the next question

    Can a very focused will and intent override 'love and light'?

    This is precisely correct as has been mentioned by the torturer/tortured dynamic and is a result of interactions within the Dynamic Hexad.

    How does Xandria's All-One-Theism reconcile this?

    Consider the notion of Lila or Pandeism, where a Creator essentially abandons it's Creation and allows it free reign with no direction or underlying purpose but only 'to play' for the Creator's amusement. There is no reconciliation by this frivolous and meaningless activity and leads people to nihilism and pessimism.

    Now consider Panentheism or our notion of All-One-Theism which allows for 'purposeful play' where the play can be tragedy, comedy, adventure, etc and the Creator plays roles as writer, director, producer and actor and desires to evolve by catalyzing and interacting with its Creation ie placing quarantines and time laterals on planetary societies. There is the potential for reconciliation as will, love and light seeks purpose through the IUP and leads people to spiritual vitalism and optimism.

    This summarizes our beliefs and notions surrounding this question. We welcome your critique and questions of our philosophical view, for as always, we appeal to Free Will and as little as possible to authority as your Libertarian folk like to do.

    Q. Thanks for that summary. We plan to expand and develop what you have said and also to consider other prescriptive approaches that complement the Mandelbrot MTL Complex experience.

    We are intrigued by the notion of MTL Complexes in general and want to do a more careful study of our Solar MTL Complex and our Planetary MTL Complex with their various Mythoic archetypes, and their Topoic structures and processes relating the Reciprocal System to platonic forms ie nested pyramids and star tetrahedrons.

    We have gained so much from our discourse with you and feel that our present educational endeavors will ease and quicken our transition to 4th density.

    A. We feel jubilant and joy towards your educational efforts and wish you well.

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    03-27-2015, 08:42 PM
    (03-27-2015, 07:23 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: That last question in the last session was rushed. It didn't give the futuristic Earth Social Memory Complex of Xandria much of a chance to explain and defend their position. 

    I don't know if Quo has been asked this question but if so would someone who knows give a link or date of session? 

    The channel groups and Xandria are ready to move on from this question but it begs answering and is foundational for other ethical questions, so has value.  

    Q. We feel at the end of the last session that we rushed through and glossed over the important question regarding the traditional Omni-God. The students who asked were quite sincere and were not interested in 'appeals to authority' or 'God's will' to reconcile various acts of an Omni-God.

    We do appreciate your prescriptive answer but would like to attempt a descriptive account and carefully analyze and explore each part of the question they raised. We feel you deserve the chance to fully address each part. Would that be possible?

    A. Yes, we welcome the opportunity to address more fully this question which our own people in 3rd density have pondered, for it is natural at even a young age to ask 'why all the suffering?'.

    Q. Thank you. This would be most helpful since we have been invited to make a follow-up visit to the university to expand on various topics and cover more ground. Here again is their question which we must emphasize is towards a traditional notion of a monotheistic Omni-God and not your panentheistic notion of All-One-Theism.  

    Is this One Infinite Creator a fatherly Omni-God who is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-loving, etc? Do not the terms one and infinite entail omni-ism? If so how does this Creator allow activities ie satanic torturing of kittens and small children? Where is the so-called 'love and light' during their excruciating suffering? Can a very focused will and intent override 'love and light'? How does Xandria's All-One-Theism reconcile this?

    Please repeat and address each part if you would be so kind?

    A. Certainly, we shall apply our notion of panentheism as we answer. Let's begin.

    Is this One Infinite Creator a fatherly Omni-God who is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-loving, etc?

    Regarding the notion of 'fatherly', an Omni-God is all-relating -- a father, mother, sister, brother, grandfather, grandmother, aunt, uncle, 1st cousin....you see what we mean? An omni-faceted and all-inclusive family member of any and all gender with no restrictive role. But why stop there? All-relating includes friend, lover, counselor, etc, which is also omni-faceted.

    An Omni-God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, but also omnifarious which is of all varieties, forms and kinds and therefore expresses both positive and negative polarities.

    An Omni-God is all-loving which entails being all-accepting and all-tolerating so then includes our beloved satanic brethren and their acts of torture.

    An Omni-God is all-curious which appears paradoxical if already omniscient. If one is all-knowing what is there to be curious of? That question alone requires curiosity and is key to generating a self-imposed ignorance and thus an all-creative, all-experiential quest which includes the experience of our beloved tortured kitten and child.

    The saying 'curiosity killed the cat' may seem offensive and despicable in this context but exemplifies the possible/probable risks involved when venturing into the unknown realms of Free Will and Determinism.

    Q. We must interject and respond to your 'curiosity killed the cat' analogy. It feels as though an Omni-God is amoral and indifferent to what it experiences, if that makes sense.

    A. It is perceived as such when one takes an all-moral and all-feeling stance. This is where the Law of All is essential for inducing wisdom during both 5th and 7th density. But we digress. To the next question.

    Do not the terms one and infinite entail omni-ism?


    Yes they do but they also entail mystery which entails curiosity and the aforementioned risks.

    If so how does this Creator allow activities ie satanic torturing of kittens and small children?

    As mentioned, omnifarious, omni-tolerating and omni-curious qualities bring forth such allowance.

    Where is the so-called 'love and light' during their excruciating suffering?


    This is a critical question which is understandably upsetting for these CCO and heart-centered students. Where is this so-called 'love and light' during their suffering? It seems obvious that it is no where to be found for the kitten and child -- only terror and unbearable physical and emotional pain that will scar these entities for several life cycles.

    It therefore is, at most, repressed love and light which the will of the satanic torturers impose during that suffering experience and then a battle of wills between torturers/tortured allows variant love and light effects after the experience. This is explained by the interactions within the Dynamic Hexad and a topic for later discussion.

    As derived from the IUP and the Primal Triad of Free Will, Love and Light it is logically and naturally considered the 'will, love and light' of the Creator for a complete and accurate description of the Creator's actions. So, more accurately, there is 'will, love and light' during the kitten and child experience but with very little love and light at that moment.

    Continuing further as to reasons for the suffering, could it be that the kitten and child had karmic debts that they wished to pay to alter their path of polarity? Possibly...the kitten perhaps once a night-stalking, man-eating tiger and the child perhaps once a savage murdering marauder.

    But perhaps not, perhaps they are relatively young souls whose karmic patterns were simple and mundane and so therefore they were compelled to take the fool's dive off a cliff and be inserted into a risky and uncertain situation which led to their unprecedented experience.

    In this case the initial spin of the wheel of karma has begun for these young souls which shall be directed by will, love and light as their karmic patterns evolve.

    To the next question

    Can a very focused will and intent override 'love and light'?

    This is precisely correct as has been mentioned by the torturer/tortured dynamic and is a result of interactions within the Dynamic Hexad.

    How does Xandria's All-One-Theism reconcile this?

    Consider the notion of Lila or Pandeism, where a Creator essentially abandons it's Creation and allows it free reign with no direction or underlying purpose but only 'to play' for the Creator's amusement. There is no reconciliation by this frivolous and meaningless activity and leads people to nihilism and pessimism.

    Now consider Panentheism or our notion of All-One-Theism which allows for 'purposeful play' where the play can be tragedy, comedy, adventure, etc and the Creator plays roles as writer, director, producer and actor and desires to evolve by catalyzing and interacting with its Creation ie placing quarantines and time laterals on planetary societies. There is the potential for reconciliation as will, love and light seeks purpose through the IUP and leads people to spiritual vitalism and optimism.

    This summarizes our beliefs and notions surrounding this question. We welcome your critique and questions of our philosophical view, for as always, we appeal to Free Will and as little as possible to authority as your Libertarian folk like to do.

    Q. Thanks for that summary. We plan to expand and develop what you have said and also to consider other prescriptive approaches that complement the Mandelbrot MTL Complex experience.

    We are intrigued by the notion of MTL Complexes in general and want to do a more careful study of our Solar MTL Complex and our Planetary MTL Complex with their various Mythoic archetypes, and their Topoic structures and processes relating the Reciprocal System to platonic forms ie nested pyramids and star tetrahedrons.

    We have gained so much from our discourse with you and feel that our present educational endeavors will ease and quicken our transition to 4th density.

    A. We feel jubilant and joy towards your educational efforts and wish you well.

    Aww, man!! Why'd you have to spoil it and say it was a future Earth!? I was going to say it. To be honest, I've skimmed over the replies, so I'm not sure if someone guessed it before you said it.

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    04-19-2015, 06:50 PM
    Hi Lighthead -- you said

    Aww, man!! Why'd you have to spoil it and say it was a future Earth!? I was going to say it. To be honest, I've skimmed over the replies, so I'm not sure if someone guessed it before you said it.

    I know -- I should have gone the way of the movie 'Interstellar' and keep you all in suspense! But that wouldn't be kosher since I don't want 6D Xandria to conflict with 6D Ra. Actually Ra is likened to Xandria's big sister since Venus is known as our sister planet and Ra has guided Earth folk for awhile and Xandria acknowledges Ra.

    That sister planet theme is what this new post is about -- with some editorializing over names in the beginning -- not meant to be harsh, just an observation.
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    Have you ever wondered what the Venusians were like in 3rd density?

    I think we focus too much on the name 'Ra' to describe the population of 38.5 million from Venus just as it would be off base to focus too much on the name 'Xandria' to describe a population of 700 million from Terra.

    I wonder why Ra couldn't verbalize the name that they gave for their planet or for the Sun during their 3rd density. I assume they had vocal cords and a language back then so why not just say in a session 'we called our Sun so-and-so and called our planet so-and-so'?

    Historically Venus is known as our sister planet and I like to think of them in those relatable terms, so here's Xandria's version of how our sister planet evolved in late 2D and 3D.

    Q. We live in a solar system consisting of 7 planets -- our planet being the 4th from the Sun. Our 5th planet is twice the size as our planet with a surface of approximately half ocean and half land areas that appear luscious and verdant. It also has 2 large moons and completes a diurnal cycle in half the time of our planet -- a much faster spinning planet.

    We consider it our big sister planet with as yet unknown life forms and we hope to explore it more readily when we enter 4th density.

    You have mentioned that you had a sister planet which had intelligent life and who were your beloved friends and teachers. We are intrigued by this parallel to our situation and wondered if it was possible that you could share more about your sister planet and how its biological and spiritual evolution compared to your planet.

    A. We find it fascinating and rewarding to explore the evolutional history of various planets and would be happy to share what we have learned about our sister planet Venus and our Venusian friends who evolved prior to us. They were much more open to sharing their history after our transition to 4D.

    It's very important to note how a planet's physical conditions shape the evolution of its indigenous inhabitants and we shall begin by comparing Venus to our Earth in these terms.

    Venus is much warmer and arid than Earth which limited its 2nd density potentials regarding population and diversity of flora and fauna and thus only produced a 3rd density of 38.5 million indigenous inhabitants with no option for additional migration of other planetary races.

    It was a small and racially homogeneous population who evolved from primates who dwelled in the highlands and mountains of a continent in their northern arctic region. The constant heat from a Sun that is 2 times brighter than on our Earth led to producing primates of long slender body types designed for efficient cooling and low metabolism.

    Adjacent to this continent there was a polar regional ocean which provided a minimal hydrolic cycle of rainfall and a modest food supply of edible plants and insects for these primates.

    The environmental pressure of food scarcity led to the necessary evolutional adaptation of cooperative food gathering and sharing behavior with strong extended familial bonds. This culture of cooperation and the need to conserve energy also resulted in mating behavior that did not involve male infighting. Instead females chose their mates based on how well the male communicated and helped with group survival activities.

    There were some exceptions of aggressive and manipulative behavior  -- clashes among clans during times of intense droughts and jealousy and infidelity among both males and females. These behaviors were minimal but in their own way contributed to advancing the striving for self awareness and graduation to 3rd density.

    As 3rd density beings the Venusians would continue to expand on and refine these behaviors -- both the positive and negative.  

    Another key physical condition was that the rotation of Venus was 4 times as slow as our Earth and thus equivalent to 4 Earth days.

    In the arctic region where these primates dwelled the Sun was always low in the sky so the duration of day was shorter than the duration of night -- on average a 40 hour day and a 56 hour night.

    Such a slow diurnal cycle results in significantly slower paced activities and long periods of idleness and napping leading to contemplation and dreamy hypnogogic ideation.  This, in turn, activated and developed the frontal and parietal lobe functions of memory and visualization.

    During the day a main contemplation was of the Sun with its long periods of sunrise and sunset -- a Sun that goes through an extraordinary spectral color transition during these periods and which appears as 1.5 times larger in the Venusian sky as compared to Earth.

    During the night, which is always moonless, a main contemplation was of constellations and brief and fleeting hypnogogic visions of mysterious mythic creatures embedded in them along with gridlike patterns of laser light connecting other stars. Shooting stars and comets also produced a form of wonderment within the primate's developing mind and soul.

    The extra long night also led to desert-like cold temperatures from midnight to sunrise and produced the yearning for the Sun and the need for huddling and cuddling among the group which was a natural precursor for emotional openness and intimacy in 3rd density.

    As one can tell the Sun is highly revered during late 2nd density and will be further appreciated and attuned to during 3rd density when structures will be built on various nodal zones of the planet as the Venusians survey and explore their planet.  

    The practice of pilgrimages to these sacred places will be a vital aspect of their culture but will also lead to societal fracturing in late 3rd density producing various factions which range from zealous and devoted nomadic pilgrims who worship the planet and the Sun to the pragmatic coastal beach dwellers and farmers of the native arctic region who desire material security and comfort and are less open to sharing the bounty of their efforts.  

    Most notably, there is a charismatic priest and priestess couple with advanced ET roots who have garnered support for their propaganda and ideology promoting an Age of Bountiful Spiritual Pleasure which is attractive to many who idolize various sensuous and adventurous mythic deities of the night time sky.

    This couple has invoked the darker night forces of the planet to mesmerize and seduce massive crowds with all night light shows and concerts that are designed to be magically powerful and seductive and promote a distorted theme of pleasurable love as the one and only sacred love.

    This all takes place in the last sub-density of 3D -- during the period just preceding and during the 4th density transition which causes the moderate factions to polarize and splinter further as they gravitate towards these factions of polar extremes. There will be much heartbreak and sorrow as members from deeply bonded families and clans will differ and part ways as they decide to separate towards the ideologies of these factions.

    This period will be called by 4th density Venusian historians as the Age of the Broken Heart where only an initial 15% 4D graduation occurs but where in the earliest part of 4th density a great movement called the Mending of the Broken Heart takes place among both the new 4D upstarts and their now self-realized and regretful 3D family.

    Throughout one Venusian summer season 4D and 3D family members meet and call themselves 'Children of the Sun' where they go on a spiritual campaign to all regions of their arctic continent and conduct celebrations and healings as a threepart planet-wide concert each day at sunrise, sun peak and sunset.

    This campaign was very effective drawing the remaining Venusian population and is called by historians as the Great Harmonic Convergence of Hearts after the final Venusian stragglers accepted the path of heartful care and service to one's fellow being.

    It was a great collective endeavor by the newly formed and complete 4D Venusian planetary family.

    This completes our historical exposition regarding our Venusian friends. We hope you find it as interesting and intriguing as we do.

    Q. I love it! It's great to know how such advanced beings lived through their 3D life of joys and pitfalls. It allows us to better relate to them and to you and not be so overwhelmed by this whole experience of conducting these sessions with you. We thank you so much for sharing.

    A. You're most welcome.  
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    05-03-2015, 01:08 PM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2015, 07:15 PM by 4Dsunrise.)
    6D Terrans IUP = LoA + LoO or 6D Venusians LOO?
    Nehru/Peret's RS2 or Dewey Larson's RS?

    Both the 6D Venusian's Ra Material and Dewey Larson's Reciprocal System were game changers for me. They were the foundation for the continued research made by my fictional 6D Terrans and by Nehru and Peret.

    The Venusians and Dewey Larson deserve all the credit for making breakthroughs and shifting paradigms but I fall on the side of the Terrans and Nehru and Peret for making corrections and advancements of their predecessor's claims.

    When a graduate student reevaluates and questions her college professor's published works isn't that a good thing? Was Larson wrong to question Einstein? And are Nehru and Peret wrong to question Larson?

    If anyone is interested in pursuing the research that's been started by our 6D Terrans let me know and maybe we can develop a comprehensive philosophical treatise and a curriculum based on the IUP that can be offered to university philosophy departments. We can also make power point presentations and make a youtube channel if it really takes off.

    I welcome a friendly philosophical debate regarding the Terran's IUP and the Venusian's LOO so will start with the following Ra Material statements and then a fictional channel session where the questioner challenges Xandria's theoretical claims about the IUP.

    Please chime in if you have questions about the IUP which claims that all other principles and phenomena are derived from it, ie bipolarity, octaves and densities, free will and determinism, the Primordial Triad, the Dynamic Hexad, karma and inertia, etc.

    From Book 1: Session 1

    Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One.

    What are the Venusians distortions relative to enunciating the laws of creation? Can we assume that they may be at 6.6.6 density which has a strong LOO bias? From this statement why don't they make explicit that the LOO is the fundamental law of creation?

    That which is infinite (ie the set of natural numbers) cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept.

    The set of natural numbers is a countable infinity and contains more than one number which means that it is an infinite plurality. A set or collective is considered a unity or a complete whole, so let's call the set of natural numbers a complete plurality.

    You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

    In short form this statement means 'You are All'. The converse of this statement in short form is  'All is you' or the Law of All.

    The term 'converse' means 'reversed in order, relation or action' so the LoA and LOO have a bipolar reciprocal relationship. They have equal significance which is why IUP = LoA + LoO.

    On to the channel session.

    Q. We mean no disrespect but we remain skeptical of some of the claims of the IUP.

    You claim that, in theoretical terms, that IUP = LoA + LoO. We have heard from other channel sources, including your Venusian mentors, that theoretically, Oneness or LOO is sufficient to derive all the principles of knowledge and experience.

    We find the LOO as both attractive and compelling as we seek the oneness and harmony of positively polarized 4th density whereby each individual seeks to identify with all others in order to create a robust SMC.

    We do acknowledge that this involves a mutually outward and projective focus and CCO/STO which you have stated is the essential nature of LOO or, according to you, that 'One is All'.

    We claim that LOO asserts that Oneness encompasses Allness so therefore LOO encompasses LoA and that the notions of inward and injective focus and CCS/STS are aspects of Oneness and 'All is One' is not distinct from 'One is All', as you would claim.

    We therefore claim that your assumption that IUP = LoA + LoO is extraneous and erroneous unless proven otherwise.

    We would like as proof the following conditions.

    1. Addressing our claim that LOO asserts that Oneness encompasses Allness so therefore LOO encompasses LoA.

    2. More clarity and detail of your definitions of LoA and LOO especially as to how 'One is All' is distinct from 'All is One' -- a distinction which we presently refute.

    3. Provide one or more specific examples of where the IUP supercedes the LOO as necessary in deriving aspects or principles of the Creation. We suggest explaining how the octaves and densities are derived and how they function according to the IUP as opposed to the LOO.

    A. We thank you for being honest and forthcoming regarding your disagreement with our theoretical notion of the IUP.

    We also mean no disrespect to you, to other channels and especially to our beloved Venusian friends who were functioning at a sub-sub-density of 6.6.6D at the time of their transmission of the LOO in our 3rd density. The density of 6.6.6 is an evolutional interval that is particularly focused on LOO principles.

    In addition, their message of the LOO is essential for those entering 4th density and is, as you stated, attractive and compelling and rightfully so because both positive and negative 4D is a LOO motivated density due to outward focus and identification between individuals in order to form a SMC.

    We have opened the door to elaborate further on the densities and will do so in the order of your enumerated questions.

    Regarding your first question of -- Addressing our claim that LOO asserts that Oneness encompasses Allness so therefore LOO encompasses LoA.

    In a previous session we stated:

    Unity/Infinity means 'One is All' and is called the Law of One or LOO.
    Colloquially, one can say 'I am All' which allows an outward focus from Oneself to the All
    .

    For LOO, projection or outward focus is emphasized by stating 'You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation...you are...All.'

    From these statements we consider that LOO asserts that Oneness identifies with Allness but does not encompass Allness and, as a result, LoO does not encompass LoA.

    There was a quote from our Venusian bretheren stating 'Unity contains all and so therefore it cannot abhor any' which we totally agree but there is a distinction between the quantitative 'all' and the qualitative 'Allness' which is subtle but significant and where the application of philosophical analysis is essential to understand such distinctions.

    We would restate that 'Unity is Infinity and therefore contains all'. This makes clear that the qualitative notion of identification entails the quantitative notion of containing.

    Let us refer back to this same session regarding LoA.

    Infinity/Unity means 'All is One' and is called the Law of All or LoA.
    Colloquially, one can say 'All is I' which allows an inward focus from the All to Oneself.

    For LoA, injection or inward focus is emphasized by stating 'Every thing is you, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation...All is...you.'

    From these statements we consider that LoA asserts that Allness identifies with Oneness but does not encompass Oneness and, as a result, LoA does not encompass LOO.

    Let us state that 'Infinity is Unity and therefore contains one' whereby the phrase 'contains one' means 'contains one and only one of itself' and so again the qualitative notion of identification entails the quantitative notion of containing.

    Let us again refer back to the session where we stated:

    There is actually a two-fold reciprocal nature to the IUP. There is the Infinity/Unity aspect and the Unity/Infinity aspect. Existentially, Infinity preceded Unity but found its essence through Unity through focus and formulation and became aware. Unity gains being and awareness through the dynamism and activity of Infinity. Thus these two aspects are equally significant and form a Dyad.

    In this case we do not use the algrebraic notion of Dyad due to the absolute nature of the terms Infinity and Unity and thus express in theoretical terms as IUP = LoA + LoO or colloquially 'All is One and One is All'

    We hope this has sufficiently addressed your 1st question.

    Q. Ah -- we'll get back to you after we do our own philosophical analysis. We appreciate your efforts and look forward to question #2.

    A. We appreciate your healthy skepticism and shall now address your second question of -- More clarity and detail of your definitions of LoA and LOO especially as to how 'One is All' is distinct from 'All is One' -- a distinction which we presently refute.

    We shall now introduce the terms 'absolute' and 'relative' which further clarifies and distinguishes LoA and LOO. The term 'absolute' refers to 'one and only one' as there cannot be more than one absolute Infinity or absolute Unity. The term 'relative' refers to 'more than one' as there can be more than one relative infinity ie countable and uncountable, and more than one relative unity ie unit intervals of a number line.

    LoA -- 'All is One' means 'Absolute All is a relative One-exclusive complete Plurality' where 'relative One-exclusive' translates to 'excludes all but one, and so there is one and only one absolute Infinity'.

    LoO -- 'One is All' means 'Absolute One is a relative All-inclusive complete Singularity' where 'relative All-inclusive' translates to 'includes all to form one and only one absolute Unity'.

    An important point is that in both these definitions the notion of finity is a natural consequence of the absolute/relative dynamic and of terms ie singularity and plurality -- so thus there is a logical and natural emergence of finity and form in Creation.

    In a past session we stated:

    The distinction between LoA and LOO may seem subtle but it is significant for allowing the emergence of polarity and evolution.

    Let us briefly state that 'Oneness is static without Allness and Allness is unfocussed without Oneness' so together they form a dynamic duo and dynamism entails polarity and evolution.

    So, in conclusion, there is a distinction in the manner of complementarity. This complementarity implies a dynamic inseparable duality or unified bipolarity -- a notion that the philosophical system of Non-Duality requires.

    We hope this has sufficiently addressed your 2nd question.

    Q. We will again suspend judgement until we undergo our own philosophical analysis.

    Perhaps the pull of 4D has us in an emotionally biased LOO mode and is clouding our perception of Allness and of LoA. We'll keep an open mind.

    A. We again applaud you for maintaining a healthy discernment while leaving your minds and hearts open.

    We now would like to show where both LoA and LOO as defined by our IUP are clearly necessary to produce polarity and evolution and which we will address in your 3rd question -- Provide one or more specific examples of where the IUP supercedes the LOO as necessary in deriving aspects or principles of the Creation. We suggest explaining how the octaves and densities are derived and how they function according to the IUP as opposed to the LOO.

    We shall now attempt a sufficient explanation.

    The natural bipolar relationship of LoA and LOO allows the bipolar relationship of number as odd/even, prime/composite, predecessor/successor to form 2x2x2 structures called octaves which are based on a natural vibrational or tonal progression which uses doubling effects to distinguish between successive octaves.  

    The IUP asserts the initial notion that 'Infinity is Unity' -- it is the 1st assertion so therefore LoA is assigned #1. 'Unity is Infinity' is the successive 2nd assertion so therefore LOO is assigned #2. These assertions then alternate so that LoA is 1, 3, 5, 7 whereas LOO is 2, 4, 6, 8.

    As previously mentioned, these numbers have vibrational being and, in this case, have beingness as the 8 densities of an octave. So LoA relates to 1D, 3D, 5D and 7D while LOO relates to  2D, 4D, 6D and 8D.

    In other words, the densities of an octave take on the character and motivation of either LoA or LOO with further modification made by the sub-densities within each density which, in turn, has further modification made by the sub-sub-densities, and so on.

    For all practical purposes the sub-sub-density level is sufficient for general evolutional understanding. For example, a density of 3.6.5 has the character and motivation of LoA/LoO/LoA in 3D with a natural evolutional draw to LOO motivated 4D.

    So at this particular stage of 3.6.5D the self-aware 'All is I' character of 3D is modified by the 'I am All' character of a 3D-filtered 6D which, in turn, is modified by the 'All is I' character of a 3D/6D-filtered 5D. As you can see it has a hierarchal and complex interactive structure.

    In addition, this hierarchal density complex in 3D is modified by the ethical bipolar draw of 4D and its 'I am All' character.

    This rich interplay of LoA and LOO through the filterings of number and density is that of a tone poem or chromatic composition -- expressive, dynamic and alive with polarized tension and action.

    We sense a query. Do you wish to respond?

    Q. No, we were just caught off guard with your notion of a density filtering process and of tone poems and chromatic compositions. These are new concepts to consider and to put into perspective.

    A. We suggest opening one's heart and one's intuitive and artistic senses as you consider these concepts. Musical and color arts training is most beneficial in this regard. Let us provide an example that is relevant to your 3D condition..

    To evolve to 3D the need for individuality and self-awareness is motivated by 'All is I' consciousness and inner focus which provides a level of cognition/affection for integrating 1D and 2D consciousness. Once in 3D the 4D consciousness is activated but only faintly until one reaches 3.4D and clear ethical awareness emerges and one evolves beyond a clan or tribal ethic. Notice that 3.4D has LoA/LoO motivation.

    When in LoA/LoA motivated 3.5D one most likely feels as an outcast of the clan or tribe and inner focus and integration takes place in accord with the 'All is I' sub-density. One becomes more open and aware of a global or universal ethic and strives to understand its principles.

    The STS principles are towards understandings and methods of manipulation of clans and tribes for personal power of a CCS nature, whereas STO principles are towards understandings and methods of peaceful coalescing of clans and tribes for personal power of a CCO nature.

    When in LoA/LoO motivated 3.6D one becomes socially involved with others of like mind and ideals which reflects outer focus in accord with the 'I am All' sub-density. Political, military and corporate power structures appeal to the social focus of STS while charity and grassroots movements appeal to the social focus of STO.

    Finally, when an individual is at 3.7D she is experiencing LoA/LoA consciousness and an acute integration of LOO sub-densities 3.2, 3.4, 3.6 with also a strong awareness and draw to LOO motivated 4D. She has also been integrating LoA sub-densities 3.1, 3.3, 3.5 and their lessons and is deciding her ethical 4D fate with much inner reflection and perhaps inner conflict and turmoil. The tone poetic and chromatic drama is being played out on both inner and outer planes of her soul/chakra system and her daily life.

    We wish her well in her efforts to progress to 4D.

    As we mentioned our Venusian friends were at 6.6.6D which reflects LOO/LoO/LoO when offering the LOO to us as we were entering the LOO motivated 4D. That LOO bias tends to overstate LOO and understate LoA and our notion of the IUP.

    We presently exist at 6.7.3D which reflects LOO/LoA/LoA and are motivated by both LOO and LoA as we are drawn to LoA motivated 7D.

    We again sense a query. Do you wish to respond?

    Q. I don't know where to begin. I can relate to that person in 3.7D since that is where we are personally and as a planet. The elaborate interplay of LoA and LOO within myself is such a new concept to consider, but I must admit it has an intellectual elegance.

    A. We understand and offer a few examples. Your breathing in and out is a LoA/LoO process. Your heart beats by contracting and expanding and is a LoA/LoO process. Your inner/outer focus and CCS/CCO is LoA/LoO.

    Also, to understand the dynamic interaction of LoA and LOO throughout 3D we suggest that you consider the idealized developmental evolution of a person from infancy to old age recognizing that at 3.1 an infant experiences itself as the center of the universe while at 3.7 an octogenarian is self-reflecting and inward seeking in preparation for rebirth. As you can see both 3.1 and 3.7 express LoA /LoA or 'All is I' consciousness but with much different levels of maturity.

    Do you have a query?

    Q. Yes, we have a question regarding densities and octaves particularly the discrepancy of 7 densities in an octave which, by definition, should be 8 densities. We noticed that you explicitly enumerated 8 densities per octave. Are we to assume the 8th density of one octave coincides with the 1st density of the next octave and does this directly correspond to the musical diatonic octave?

    A. Yes this is quite true. There is an overlap of 8th density and 1st density from one octave to the next and this indicates further elaboration of the term density and of 8th and 1st density principles.

    In the pure sense, a density is a sub-octave or a minor octave and a sub-density is a sub-sub-octave or sub-minor octave and so on. Octaves within octaves within octaves.

    The term density is used because it is a measure of the degree of intensity of will, love and light and so it is equivalent to a measure of vibrational beingness. Density is likened to a degree of temperature and is convenient and descriptive for determining the evolutional stage of being. Drastic changes take place at a melting point and boiling point degree and similarly at a successive density or stage of evolution.

    Let us now consider the overlap of densities 3.8 and 4.1 which is most relevant for you.

    They both represent the same quantitative degree of intensity but have different qualitative modes and motivations in that 3.8 is LoA/LoO and 4.1 is LOO/LoA. These modes have a complementary and reciprocal relationship and provide the necessary linkage and transition between densities -- in this case between 3D and 4D. These complementary modes also allow for bipolar ethical expression whereby either 4D+ or 4D- is chosen.

    To further elaborate, recall the example of the octogenarian at 3.7D preparing for rebirth. The transition from LoA/LoA of 3.7D to LoA/LoO of 3.8D is the final rebirth phase as one projects out of their physical body using the 'I am All' or LOO state of being to end the LoA mode of 3D. It is a releasing and exiting phase.

    To continue with this example, at rebirth one is now injected into 4.1D which, at LOO/LoA provides the  'All is I' or LoA mode that properly plants or seats the distillations of 3.8D into 4D. It is a collecting and entering phase.

    The blending of 3.8D and 4.1D is likened to a saxaphone and clarinet playing the same note of the same octave. They are of different timber but of the same tonal vibration and therefore this duet is essential for providing the foundation for the rich tone poetic and multi-instrumental ensemble of 4D.

    We sense a conclusion to this rather lengthy exposition is appropriate.  

    Q. Yes, we notice that our channel's voice is getting raspy so we agree that it's time to sign off. Thank you for taking the time to address our conditions. We will digest it carefully and get back to you.

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