Tarot or Dowsing anyone?

[AnthroHeart]

Hi all,

I'm learning to use more tools to help me with guidance. I have 3 types of Tarot decks. I'm not huge into it, but starting to learn it more to work with.

One is Ascended Masters


Second is Animal-Wise Tarot


Third is Enchanted Tarot


I like these because they present different perspectives on a question. Like I asked what is it I should work on that is most important.

The Ascended Master card gave me the Peace Offering card with White Buffalo Calf Woman. Very interesting because it's native american and I had recently been focused on that.

Enchanted Tarot gave me King of Hearts, which indicates I should focus on understanding in the situation. And Animal-Wise gave me the Bat, which is the Hanged-Man equivalent, indicating changes to my view or understanding.

So curious if others here have experience in Tarot.

I also like to use my pendulum for dowsing. I use a numerical chart for when I need to dowse numbers, such as any here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&so...q=&gs_rfai=

[Questioner]

Hi GW, I am also interested in tarot. Have you seen The Enchanted Tarot web site? Nice hand drawn animations and music there. I find that majority of their descriptions very positive, although there are a few cards where I don't agree with their modernizing updates.

Some other tarot sites I enjoy:
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/
http://tarotjourney.net/
http://facade.com/tarot/ especially readings done with their Minchiate deck.

I find it very helpful to have a conversation with the cards. For example if I get the Hanged Man, my next question will be, Hanged Man, please show me how to get unstuck. If I get the King of Hearts, I say, thank you, King of Hearts, please show me how this situation can have the ultimate of open hearted love that you represent.

For the minors I look up the card at tarotjourney to find the name. For example, two of pentacles is the Lord of Harmonious Change. So I greet the Lord of Harmonious Change and ask his help understanding the harmonious change that is possible for me now.

I don't have any experience with dowsing or pendulums.

I find a very simple kind of muscle testing helpful. After reading David Hawkins' Power v. Force, I find that I can often ask yes/no questions while holding both hands in front of me, in a neutral position. With left hand pressing down on right, if the answer is Yes the pressure is resisted and my hands stay up. If the answer is No the right hand is pushed down. It is unobtrusive enough to look like a random motion to bystanders. I then use a series of binary questions to narrow down the options.

I'm also keen on I Ching for divination. Should I comment about that in this thread?

I am not an expert in any of these. Although I enjoy sharing what I have learned, please be especially sure to use your own judgment here. I accurately share my own understanding, but that understanding may be misinformed or naive. Don't let any mistakes on my part interfere with your own spiritual path. These are all powerful methods of opening ourselves to spiritual forces beyond humanity. We should use them with alert discernment and respect. In my opinion, we should leave them alone when too tired to think things through clearly for ourselves.

[Ali Quadir]

Hey Gemini, I have a deck of Rider Waite, which I tend to recommend because it contains a lot of occult symbols, every card because of this has an enormous amount of information to work with.. And a deck of Arcus Arcanum, which is really a comic book variant of the Rider-Waite deck the look of which I like. Really sweet pictures on that one.

The Waite has a tremendous amount more personality and accuracy. It was designed by occultists and is the most used deck I believe. The Arcus Arcanum feels very different. If I work with the cards, I use the Rider Waite deck. I got it it's personal wooden box..

I'm not very good with them I admit. Last time I used them was 10 years ago. The only thing I can recommend is to get into the symbology of your deck. Get to know them inside and out and associate feelings with every card. Follow your feelings more than the booklet. If you misunderstand a card and later figure that out, it doesn't mean your previous spreads are now invalid. The cards adapt to your understanding.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you for the feedback. No, I haven't seen those sites yet but will def. check them out.

Ali, yes, I forgot I do have a smaller Rider Waite deck. I am just picking up the Tarot again, so I actually didn't realize all I had.

Sure, I-Ching is good to explore here. I can't remember who, but there was a talk once on how the pieces fit together to form geometry like the star tetrahedron. I think it might have been Nassim Haramein, but don't recall.

Questioner, the conversation with the cards is a great idea. I find it's like connecting with the Logos. We don't have to go to the Great Central Sun to be in the energy of Logos. It speaks to us through whispers, which I find remarkable.

I was listening to an interview that Dolores Cannon had with tarot reader Justine Alessi.
You can hear the interview at: http://www.cannonarchives.com/ for January 2, 2009.

I ordered her book Rebirth of the Oracle, which is more modern writing on the tarot.

I use dowsing for yes/no questions. I've dowsed numeric values for herbs I might be taking for different experiences. Like what is the optimal mg of an herb for me, and for someone else I may be working with. And trusting that, it works out perfectly. But I make sure that I'm clear of negative influences.

When I dowse, I first ask "Are you Creator who created me for my highest good" or "are you the guide provided to me for my highest good". Then I ask "are there any negative influences that would affect the results".

Then, just letting go. I find that surrender has power over fear. It's amazing, but when one can learn to surrender more and more, the fluidity of the world around us becomes apparant. I actually can see walls breathing, and the ripples of the ground when I let go into an accepting state. Took months of releasing, and learning to trust intuition more and more.

So when I approach Tarot now, it's how the energetic patterns feel to me. They have their own fluidity and way of speaking, their own dance that one engages in.

[fairyfarmgirl]

I prefer the Tarot of Love or the Animal Spirit Cards. I mostly dowse now. The Tarot of Love was particularly helpful and healing for me... for we are always creating our own reality... the imagry helped me create better and good things in my life. It was part of my heart opening process.

As for divinination... It seems that my Higher Self feels that it is time to set such tools aside and work with creating my own reality rather then attempting to predict potential potentialities that are over 51% possible--- meaning many Seekers have arrived at the moment of Creating their Reality by intention. Prediction impedes developing these creative wings.

So, now I use only the Animal Spirit Deck--- and that is only if an animal literally shows up on my front or back porch or engages me somehow. All of creation speaks to you and is there to assist if you know what to ask and how. They will always answer (the elementals work through the Animals as well as guides).

Now when I reach a place of indecision and must decide due to life circumstances I dowse and take the info under advisement. Mostly, It slows down my processing and information stream so that I can see other possibilities or see the current possibilities in a new light... I find it usually assists me in that way.

The imagry of the tarot is what works with you... put the written meaning aside and allow the cards to speak to you and inspire higher-moving centered actions. What the book may say as a meaning may not be the meaning at all for you. Each reading is personal and speaks to your life potentials not to anothers.

fairyfarmgirl

[AnthroHeart]

Good advice ffg. I'll take in the imagery as well. I find the words on the cards themselves hold vibrational patterns that can snowball the energy. I have to steer it sometimes to not get overwhelmed.

[@ndy]

I have my old Tarot cards - The Thoth Tarot.
Not because I was into Occult really, I just found them in a head shop and fell in love with the images. Really beautiful.

I've not used them much over the past 8 or so years, but now and then I do. I've been intending to work with them again more.
I used to dowse too, something else’s I'm toying with picking up again.
I'm waiting till I'm a little less 'Buzzy' and more confident in my abilities again, I gave my old pendulum to a friend who fell in love with it
Weirdly I had an interesting conversation on dowsing today with a Gorgeous old retired GP turned healer - he was telling me he'd tried so hard to dowse but lacked confidence in his own insight, his openness was lovely.
The dowsing charts look fantastic; I think I'll have to print my self some to try.

[AnthroHeart]

Andy, good to use what works for you.

I don't think in terms of Occult or not. Everything is a vibrational expression of Creator, of Logos and the energies of everyone. I've worked with mandalas, as keys that fit a certain vibrational pattern that is interdimensional in nature.

Yeah, learning to trust the dowsing is an important first step. I'd recommend smudging with white sage first to clear negative energy, that can include doubts. Use protection of visualizing a white bubble of light, or however you use protection for this.

[Brittany]

Instead of traditional cards, I use a set of cards called "Soul Cards." There's about 64 cards with different images on them that were done by Deborah Koff-Chapin, who is into psychic artwork. The pictures are very evocative but have no specific set meaning, which allows me to do fully intuitive readings, which seem to be what I am best at. I more use the images as triggers for my subconscious mind instead of interpreting them in an archetypal fashion. So far everyone I've done readings for have seemed very pleased with the results. Not that I'm dissing the tarot...it just wasn't something I was ever really able to get into.

[fairyfarmgirl]

I use a pendulum that is a small crystal surrounded by a spiral of pure copper wire. The copper is very grounding to me. Otherwise, when I pick up a pendulum it simply vibrates all over the place and gives me the maybe answer continously. I found my pendulum at a Herbal and Pagan Shop. It was hand set by the Lady of the Shop... she said Spirit told her to make it... and thought it crazy... I saw it, bought it and have been using it for over 12 years.

I keep my pendulum hanging in a Eastern window. It likes the Sunlight. Since it is surrounded by a spiral of copper--- all excess energy simply grounds away into the Earth. A Great Light Grounding Tool for me at least.

I have the Electromagnetic signature that blows out lightbulbs, makes computers freeze up and stops watches (they never work again)--- Another good stone for high frequency peoples is Rose Quartz! Very grounding and smoothing of energy.

fairyfarmgirl

[Questioner]

I have the Electromagnetic signature that blows out lightbulbs, makes computers freeze up and stops watches (they never work again)

A tech support job is probably not for you.

But you could be a very valuable member of a technical team. You would come in after people think they have invented the perfect system, Then they give it to you to see it break in a totally unpredictable, incomprehensible new way.

I'm glad you are able to get on the forum and that it still works.

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Sure, I-Ching is good to explore here. I can't remember who, but there was a talk once on how the pieces fit together to form geometry like the star tetrahedron. I think it might have been Nassim Haramein, but don't recall.

I'm not familiar with that talk.

The simplest way to look at I Ching divination: it always gives you from one to twelve little pictures about the situation. Each picture represents a story, situation, or energy pattern involved in the situation.

There is the original hexagram. If nothing changes then that is all you get. Then there could be anywhere from one to six changing lines. Finally there is the new hexagram created after the lines have changed.

If you look at the top and bottom trigrams of the source and destination hexagrams, and both upper and lower trigrams change, then you could wind up with as many as a dozen picturesque metaphors in all about your situation.

As I see it, if there are no changing lines, the oracle is saying "This is the most fundamental spiritual fact of the matter, unless someone has a true change of heart."

The problem I find is that some interpretations are heavily Confucian, full of the blame/shame game of hierarchical duties. To counterbalance that I try to find a more modern, fluid, Taoist type of interpretation. I also like the feature in the wengu site (linked below) where you can click on any of the original ideagrams. It goes to a Chinese to English dictionary that lets you trace through the art and symbolism of the pictorial language.

Some favorite sites:

http://facade.com/iching/ for the original reading - yarrow seems to work best for me. But their explanations are not much help.

http://wengu.tartarie.com/wg/wengu.php?l=Yijing
This one has the Confucian interpretations. About half the time I ignore their dogma and explore the links on the particular Chinese symbols.

http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/
This is a more freewheeling modern interpretation.

For a reading, I come up with a question. Put in the question and get the reading. Look up the source trigram in the Wengu and Yijing sites. Meditate on the picture given for the source trigram, and for any changing lines. Then look up the destination trigram. Let each of the images speak to me. Invite them to fit together into a miniature mental movie that shows how things are changing.

Where it really gets interesting is when you combine this and Tarot. Example: Get two of pentacles on tarot. Ask the Yi (I Ching), "What does the Lord of Change want me to understand about how the situation is changing?" Get 48.4. (Hexagram 48 source with line 4 changing.)

48 is The Well and 48.4 says that a renovation project relines the well shaft so that clean water can come to the surface. This may make the well temporarily unavailable, but there is no blame in that. It is necessary work so that everyone can have more healthy water to drink soon. From the four pictograms I find, literally: "Well brickwork absence blame."

Ask the Tarot, "Lord of Change, what does it mean to line the well now?" If I do not understand what the well is, I would start there and then go on to the lining.

[Ali Quadir]

I'm glad you are able to get on the forum and that it still works.

Don't provoke her! The server might end up in orbit!

It reminds me of a story my chemist teacher once told. A famous physicist had the same problem. Wolfgang Pauli, every time he went into a lab something broke.. At one time something broke down and he wasn't around. So someone made a joke about that to him.. It turned out he was in a train passing the center and looking at it at that precise time.

I love those little bits of weird.

[thefool]

Hi Gemini-
It is funny that you mentioned Tarot. I have owned OSHO tarot for a while now. Might have used them less than 10 times in last 5-6 years. But on Sunday I had the deep urge to use them and had profound insights into my current situation using the 'Insight Spread'. It is a 8 card spread that starts with what you are suppressing (Card 1) and end with insight into the body (card 5), insight into the heart (card 6), insight into the being (card 7) and finally the over all understanding (card 8). The analysis was dead on and significant.

I also agree that pictures are worth a thousand words and say a lot more than the booklet.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Haha guys! It seems to only be when I am networked to other computers like in a Giant Call Center... and the hard drive is located at my feet. I also was constantly shocking people whenever I walked by them... too much energy around me! All those lovely computers just beaming electromagnetic energy into my field. I was also highly emotional at that job too. I wonder if there is a correlation between the electromagnetic energy of a large bank of networked computers and Solar Flares. I wonder if the principles of the energy emissions are the same.

fairyfarmgirl

[Questioner]

I'd love to discuss the electromagnetic thing more, mind if we have a new thread for that ffg?

[fairyfarmgirl]

It is a fine topic. Although, Electromagnetism is inherent in any type of divination. Especially Dowsing!

fairyfarmgirl

[AnthroHeart]

Computers seem to love me. When people complain of their computer not working, I'll go have a look and they will suddenly be working. I run a business providing internet service to a small community, so I get my share of calls.

Never fried anything. Though, I'm one of those who's never had the experience of picking up the phone and knowing who's on the other end. I guess my gift is more the pendulum, sensitivity to energy, and just coming back into the Tarot. Not so much divination or prediction or mediumship or any of that.

[Questioner]

If it's on topic here I guess we don't need a new thread. I've got a good title ready for the new thread though: "Her (electro)Magnetic Personality."

ffg, let me put on my troubleshooting nerd beanie cap from my own call center days.

Sounds to me like a static electricity problem at the call center. Maybe indoor air that's too dry. If that was the problem, touching a piece of metal, like a cubicle bracket, should let the static spark discharge before zapping a person or computer.

I'm always wary about computers on the floor. Too many dangers from static, misplaced kicks, and dust bunnies making the box overheat.

There are so many places electromagnetic radiation can leak in the typical computer setup.

The computer box is supposed to have metal shielding all the way around the unit. But if someone installed some stuff inside and left the holes open (without screwing the plates back in) there can be holes in that cage.

Then the monitor cable can leak more radiation, if its braided shield is not intact or the connectors aren't properly secured. In a rush, people might have shoved in the connector so the screen lights up, but they didn't connect the screws that complete the grounding connection.

Most people in modern nations use flat screens now. They simply turn on a light at each dot to make the picture. Tube monitors put out a lot more energy. The big transformer and other electronics inside guide the electron gun, which blasts a lot of energy at the back face of the screen to light up the dots.

Now we take these computers and wire them up. The wiring might also be unshielded. Replace the electrical wires with fiber optic lines, put them inside conduit (like 1" plastic tubes), and there's no more leakage in or out of the network lines.

More leakage can come with the unshielded keyboard and mouse wires.

Finally all these devices have power cords. If the cords go through a rat's nest of extension cords, they might not all be properly grounded.

So we should put you into a building where everyone uses laptops on desks. Using the laptop's own built in flat screens. Running on batteries and connected by shielded fiber optics. With ample humidity and a grounded metal plate at each desk, far from equipment, to discharge any static before sitting down or shaking hands.

In that environment if you STILL make computers go haywire... then it's definitely you.

[AnthroHeart]

Don't forget the class 1 cleanroom for the dust bunnies.

[Questioner]

GW and ffg, you two could be the "good cop/bad cop" of computer service. The scene from my mental movie:

Interior: interrogation room. A stubborn computer is on the desk. GW peers at it closely. ffg stands at the far wall.

GW (to computer as he plugs in a drive): "Listen buddy, here's a spare hard disk. Why don't ya give me the data the easy way. That way my partner don't have ta come over here and... FIX ya. Ya don't wanna know what happens to machines she tries to... FIX. Now just boot up and show me some files, OK?"

Nothing happens.

ffg: "I could come over there and take a look, you know."

Computer starts nervously popping up windows and dumps all its files onto GW's disk.

GW: "See I told ya we might not have to take you to her. You made the right choice."

He picks up the computer and walks out.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Questioner--- there were no back plates on the harddrives, cables were all loose. It was very dry and the carpet was a giant conductor pad. I even tried wearing rubber soled shoes with no avail. Now that I think of it, my electrician friend had said to me at the time that none of it was properly grounded. He suggested that I install a grounding wire. When I brought it up at a "team meetings" (pardon while I retch). They all laughed at me and said I was over reacting. I wonder if anyone did get electrocuted there... I left that job and happily to go.

I do fine on lap tops its just networked computers with monitors and large harddrives that I give problems too... I am not the only one though. Where my hubby works they gave his this electromagnetic test and then handed him a rubber mat to stand on saying he would short the equipement out... I do think it is rather common among high frequency people.

fairyfarmgirl

[Questioner]

I'm glad you got out of there. Careless, messy people who had a careless, messy workplace. What would they next carelessly make a mess... payroll? ethical scandals?

This goes back to our earlier discussions. Some people make problems and like it. We can offer a helpful suggestion as you did. But it's not our responsibility to try to force a solution on them. Sounds like you already knew this. There are some messy computer, messy ethics jobs I wish I'd just left, back in the day.

I've never heard of an electromagnetic test before. That's a clever idea.

[@ndy]

Back to the original comment, I wanted to say thanks GW - I've never felt anything negative from my cards either. Was in a lower vibration earlier on - felt an urge to read and got a message that brought happy tears to my eyes. I defiantly feel at one with them.

I've not tried smudging, there’s so much I'd like to explore at the moment, but children and such have to come first.
I normally just write poetry but was thinking of dowsing with regard to vibration and colour .... Not sure how this is going to work yet But I'm sure it will