Session 31 - As a Gay Man, I think Ra's take on Homosexuality is idiotic

[AnthroHeart]

Strange, usually in a dream sex is something bad. Usually if my dad is around in a dream I'm trying to hide it from him, or trying to avoid him because he's coming after me. He has kept me from good sex a lot of times in a dream.

[ada]

doesn't that always happen? -lol

[Chandlersdad]

Strange, usually in a dream sex is something bad. Usually if my dad is around in a dream I'm trying to hide it from him, or trying to avoid him because he's coming after me. He has kept me from good sex a lot of times in a dream.

I had sex with my dad once in a dream. But then my mother appeared in the dream and began screaming at us. Per Freud, heterosexual boys supposedly want to replace their father and possess their mother. Maybe for gay boys it is the opposite. They want to replace the mother and possess the father?

[ada]

aren't dreams the weirdest, i wish i could stop the dream and any point and become aware so I can just wander and view my being that is the illusion-inside an illusion-insiyou get it.

[AnthroHeart]

They say that reality is a lucid dream, and we can control it to some extent.

[ada]

image one with illuminated lucidity gemini youtube auto played song called 'ethereal dreams' what a joy

[bluevision10s]

So I've read though some of this thread and I'm disappointed with how people are responding.  Seems like there is a lot of anger and aggression, at each other, and at Ra.  People are picking material out of the books and throwing it at each other.  The message was simple.  There is no right and wrong, all things are love and all service is to the one Creator.  So if someone doesn't like gay people, that is okay.  And if a gay person does not like the person that doesn't like him, that is okay too. Everyone is still learning and growing.

Ra says that homosexuality is an impairment...etc, etc.  You may disagree with him but every student doesn't always agree with his teacher.  But that is why he is your teacher.  The idea is to learn from your teacher not him/her condemn because you disagree with their interpretation.  My doctor had a great quote, "When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."  Not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons.  Some people need more time and some people need less.

So take your time thinking about what you've read in the LOO books.  If you need to take a few weeks or longer off from LOO to digest, meditate, think it over, etc.  Even if you have to throw it away to feel normal again, then do it.  It took me 10 years of reading/thinking about these books until I have finally been able to move on and not worship the information.  Have patience.  All is one.

I think you are misunderstanding the source of the incredulity and disappointment about what Ra is saying.  The anger is a reflection of the magnitude of that disappointment in that the material is SO IMPORTANT, how can it be so wrong here?

Your thesis here, that the greater Ra teaching, "all is one" excuses Ra's answer on homosexuality is exactly the same kind of excuse that white people make when confronted with "Black Lives Matter."  It is a false dichotomy to say, "no, All Lives Matter."  But white people aren't being gunned down by the police every other day are they?  It's like going to the doctor, "my left arm hurts!"  "Oh?" says the doctor.  "How's that right arm?  Because all limbs matter." And what would you think of such a doctor who spent the appointment looking at the other arm and your legs?  Would you feel THIS SMALL?  Your complaint delegitimized?

You too would be in the same thinking if, in answer to two questions, Ra had said:

• Black skin is an impairment from the logos' design which was for white people. 
  
• The polarity of male and female is master over servant: the female is lessor. 
  
• The creator designed a master race, the others are accidental impairments and deviations from it. 
  

Homosexuality was not described as a variation in the human experience like height, weight, skin color, hair color, strength, stamina, charisma, intelligence, health, etc.  Nope. Homosexuality is an "impairment."

Words matter, bluevision. And for being a channel of exquisite clarity and precise words, Ra's words resonate with some of us deeply. 

To say, "not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons" is to be condescending and smug.  

To say, "the idea is to learn from the teacher" not to disagree, is actually directly counter to the teaching, which is to teach discernment and the use of free will which, BTW, INCLUDES rejecting the teaching. 

To say "all is one" so that these disagreements become trivial and unimportant, is to devalue the humanity of the people who are expressing something different. Hush you silly people.  You "just need more time" to understand what Ra is really saying, like "10 years of reading/thinking about it."

"Have patience."

Seriously. Do you not hear the condescension oozing from what you have written here?  Because I sure do. 

I'm sorry your upset with what I have written. I wasn't trying to be smug or condescending. You missed the truly compassionate nature of my message.

What I meant when I said the LOO was not for everyone, I meant that the material can open your mind in such a way that you may go insane. Not to mention there are many sub levels to each dimensions and I believe it's important not to rush. The problem is that you go over in your head...is it real? Is it the truth? I can't prove it.. etc. I was trying to help people cope with that problem by meditating on the material, etc. This helps you face yourself.

Plus I thought the LOO forum's were to discuss and continue the spiritual growth of the person. But if you don't believe in the material and are rejecting some of it then why are you on this forum? It seems from your post that your more interested in discrediting the information than discussing it in a loving manner.

And I don't appreciate you trashing me on this site. If people continue to communicate to me this way on this forum then I won't be posting or coming to the forum any more.

[Chandlersdad]

So I've read though some of this thread and I'm disappointed with how people are responding.  Seems like there is a lot of anger and aggression, at each other, and at Ra.  People are picking material out of the books and throwing it at each other.  The message was simple.  There is no right and wrong, all things are love and all service is to the one Creator.  So if someone doesn't like gay people, that is okay.  And if a gay person does not like the person that doesn't like him, that is okay too. Everyone is still learning and growing.

Ra says that homosexuality is an impairment...etc, etc.  You may disagree with him but every student doesn't always agree with his teacher.  But that is why he is your teacher.  The idea is to learn from your teacher not him/her condemn because you disagree with their interpretation.  My doctor had a great quote, "When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."  Not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons.  Some people need more time and some people need less.

So take your time thinking about what you've read in the LOO books.  If you need to take a few weeks or longer off from LOO to digest, meditate, think it over, etc.  Even if you have to throw it away to feel normal again, then do it.  It took me 10 years of reading/thinking about these books until I have finally been able to move on and not worship the information.  Have patience.  All is one.

I think you are misunderstanding the source of the incredulity and disappointment about what Ra is saying.  The anger is a reflection of the magnitude of that disappointment in that the material is SO IMPORTANT, how can it be so wrong here?

Your thesis here, that the greater Ra teaching, "all is one" excuses Ra's answer on homosexuality is exactly the same kind of excuse that white people make when confronted with "Black Lives Matter."  It is a false dichotomy to say, "no, All Lives Matter."  But white people aren't being gunned down by the police every other day are they?  It's like going to the doctor, "my left arm hurts!"  "Oh?" says the doctor.  "How's that right arm?  Because all limbs matter." And what would you think of such a doctor who spent the appointment looking at the other arm and your legs?  Would you feel THIS SMALL?  Your complaint delegitimized?

You too would be in the same thinking if, in answer to two questions, Ra had said:

• Black skin is an impairment from the logos' design which was for white people. 
  
• The polarity of male and female is master over servant: the female is lessor. 
  
• The creator designed a master race, the others are accidental impairments and deviations from it. 
  

Homosexuality was not described as a variation in the human experience like height, weight, skin color, hair color, strength, stamina, charisma, intelligence, health, etc.  Nope. Homosexuality is an "impairment."

Words matter, bluevision. And for being a channel of exquisite clarity and precise words, Ra's words resonate with some of us deeply. 

To say, "not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons" is to be condescending and smug.  

To say, "the idea is to learn from the teacher" not to disagree, is actually directly counter to the teaching, which is to teach discernment and the use of free will which, BTW, INCLUDES rejecting the teaching. 

To say "all is one" so that these disagreements become trivial and unimportant, is to devalue the humanity of the people who are expressing something different. Hush you silly people.  You "just need more time" to understand what Ra is really saying, like "10 years of reading/thinking about it."

"Have patience."

Seriously. Do you not hear the condescension oozing from what you have written here?  Because I sure do. 

Somehow I missed your post until late at night on 8-25-16. It was not addressed to me, but I resonate totally with what you said. I also read the response to your message, and it bounced off me like teflon. When someone responds to a heartfelt REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE with metaphysical early 6th density dogma, I just turn off. We are NOT 6rh Density beings. We are 3rd density beings. I've been involved with the so-called New Age for 40 years. I have seen to many people who take on a dogma far beyond the current experience of most 3 D humans and then pontificate from it. This helps no one. Again, you kept it real. Thanks.

[Chandlersdad]

So I've read though some of this thread and I'm disappointed with how people are responding.  Seems like there is a lot of anger and aggression, at each other, and at Ra.  People are picking material out of the books and throwing it at each other.  The message was simple.  There is no right and wrong, all things are love and all service is to the one Creator.  So if someone doesn't like gay people, that is okay.  And if a gay person does not like the person that doesn't like him, that is okay too. Everyone is still learning and growing.

Ra says that homosexuality is an impairment...etc, etc.  You may disagree with him but every student doesn't always agree with his teacher.  But that is why he is your teacher.  The idea is to learn from your teacher not him/her condemn because you disagree with their interpretation.  My doctor had a great quote, "When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."  Not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons.  Some people need more time and some people need less.

So take your time thinking about what you've read in the LOO books.  If you need to take a few weeks or longer off from LOO to digest, meditate, think it over, etc.  Even if you have to throw it away to feel normal again, then do it.  It took me 10 years of reading/thinking about these books until I have finally been able to move on and not worship the information.  Have patience.  All is one.

I think you are misunderstanding the source of the incredulity and disappointment about what Ra is saying.  The anger is a reflection of the magnitude of that disappointment in that the material is SO IMPORTANT, how can it be so wrong here?

Your thesis here, that the greater Ra teaching, "all is one" excuses Ra's answer on homosexuality is exactly the same kind of excuse that white people make when confronted with "Black Lives Matter."  It is a false dichotomy to say, "no, All Lives Matter."  But white people aren't being gunned down by the police every other day are they?  It's like going to the doctor, "my left arm hurts!"  "Oh?" says the doctor.  "How's that right arm?  Because all limbs matter." And what would you think of such a doctor who spent the appointment looking at the other arm and your legs?  Would you feel THIS SMALL?  Your complaint delegitimized?

You too would be in the same thinking if, in answer to two questions, Ra had said:

• Black skin is an impairment from the logos' design which was for white people. 
  
• The polarity of male and female is master over servant: the female is lessor. 
  
• The creator designed a master race, the others are accidental impairments and deviations from it. 
  

Homosexuality was not described as a variation in the human experience like height, weight, skin color, hair color, strength, stamina, charisma, intelligence, health, etc.  Nope. Homosexuality is an "impairment."

Words matter, bluevision. And for being a channel of exquisite clarity and precise words, Ra's words resonate with some of us deeply. 

To say, "not everyone is ready to learn the LOO lessons" is to be condescending and smug.  

To say, "the idea is to learn from the teacher" not to disagree, is actually directly counter to the teaching, which is to teach discernment and the use of free will which, BTW, INCLUDES rejecting the teaching. 

To say "all is one" so that these disagreements become trivial and unimportant, is to devalue the humanity of the people who are expressing something different. Hush you silly people.  You "just need more time" to understand what Ra is really saying, like "10 years of reading/thinking about it."

"Have patience."

Seriously. Do you not hear the condescension oozing from what you have written here?  Because I sure do. 

I'm sorry your upset with what I have written.  I wasn't trying to be smug or condescending.  You missed the truly compassionate nature of my message.  

What I meant when I said the LOO was not for everyone, I meant that the material can open your mind in such a way that you may go insane.  Not to mention there are many sub levels to each dimensions and I believe it's important not to rush.  The problem is that you go over in your head...is it real?  Is it the truth?  I can't prove it.. etc.  I was trying to help people cope with that problem by meditating on the material, etc.  This helps you face yourself.

Plus I thought the LOO forum's were to discuss and continue the spiritual growth of the person.  But if you don't believe in the material and are rejecting some of it then why are you on this forum?  It seems from your post that your more interested in discrediting the information than discussing it in a loving manner.

And I don't appreciate you trashing me on this site.  If people continue to communicate to me this way on this forum then I won't be posting or coming to the forum any more.

Life is a series of catalysts. You are given choices in how to respond. If you choose to leave because people here aren't treating you as you deem necessary to be treated, then that is the proper course. My dad used to say "You can either carpet the entire world or simply wear shoes". RA probably had a 6th Density way to express this. When anyone comes to a forum and discusses MY LIFE in a glib theoretical manner (which is how I perceived your comments here so far), then such a person may expect to be refuted, even in emotional terms. RA WAS WRONG. Face up to it. This forum is for discussing Ra, not for blind worship. Any time you make anything into a "sacred text", you are headed for official dogma, and a legion of relatively mindless disciples.

[AnthroHeart]

But when carpet gets sticker burrs, you have to wear shoes. They're painful.

[kycahi]

"Gay" and "straight" may be opposites, but that doesn't mean that gay people and straight people are opposites. Nor does every gay man wanna be a woman and every gay woman a man.

You might know a gay man who is a sissie and a gay woman who is butch, but many are not at all like those. Each have big spectra, as do straights. MAYBE they are living an opposite life, such as a gay man being a bigot in another life now getting a taste of being on the other side, but not many. After all, we have past lives and present lives. Our present lives are our other selves.

[Saiyan]

Dear brothers and sisters,

If you do not like Ra material or his teachings, then you should go to another forum.

Somehow it seems like gay people here are more heterophobic than the other way around.

You should accept your distorsions and impairments instead of trying to justify something which isn't normal.

King regards...

[rva_jeremy]

But if you don't believe in the material and are rejecting some of it then why are you on this forum?

Nobody here is required to accept the Law of One material as gospel.

[Manjushri]

What I meant when I said the LOO was not for everyone, I meant that the material can open your mind in such a way that you may go insane. Not to mention there are many sub levels to each dimensions and I believe it's important not to rush. The problem is that you go over in your head...is it real? Is it the truth? I can't prove it.. etc. I was trying to help people cope with that problem by meditating on the material, etc. This helps you face yourself.

Perhaps YOUR mind was opened to a point of insanity, but a book of channeled material has no power. If a reader goes "insane" it's clear he was going to do it with or without a book.

Claiming it has such power creates dogma.

[Chandlersdad]

Dear brothers and sisters,

If you do not like Ra material or his teachings, then you should go to another forum.

Somehow it seems like gay people here are more heterophobic than the other way around.

You should accept your distorsions and impairments instead of trying to justify something which isn't normal.

King regards...

Homosexuality has been observed in over 450 species. This makes your claim that it is "abnormal" (against nature?) totally refuted by reality.

If you are going to use the Ra Law of One to bash gay people, then I would suggest you are not ready for the material.

You have no clue. First, you claim that gay people here are heterophobic. THEN you insult gay people! The irony is amazing.

[Saiyan]

[/quote]

Homosexuality has been observed in over 450 species. This makes your claim that it is "abnormal" (against nature?) totally refuted by reality.

If you are going to use the Ra Law of One to bash gay people, then I would suggest you are not ready for the material.

You have no clue. First, you claim that gay people here are heterophobic.  THEN you insult gay people! The irony is amazing.
[/quote]

Dear Chandlersdad,

Mental illnesses exist in animals as well,  I agree with you on that. But that doesn't mean it is normal. Animals can have distorsions/impairments too,  but at least they do not deny it and try to present it as something normal/good.

I'm not bashing anyone for being gay,  I'm bashing you for bashing Ra for stating the fact that you don't agree with.

If you are so easily offended by someone's opinion which differs from yours, maybre the real problem is in you my friend, you need to accept your distorsions insted of "fighting" people who tell you the truth.

What do you think about those examples when gay people went to psychiatrist, were successfuly cured and now live their lives as straight people?

Kind regards Chandlersdad...

[ada]

Dear Chandlersdad,

Mental illnesses exist in animals as well,  I agree with you on that. But that doesn't mean it is normal. Animals can have distorsions/impairments too,  but at least they do not deny it and try to present it as something normal/good.

I'm not bashing anyone for being gay,  I'm bashing you for bashing Ra for stating the fact that you don't agree with.

If you are so easily offended by someone's opinion which differs from yours, maybre the real problem is in you my friend, you need to accept your distorsions insted of "fighting" people who tell you the truth.

What do you think about those examples when gay people went to psychiatrist, were successfuly cured and now live their lives as straight people?

Kind regards Chandlersdad...

maybe so, but even that, does it truly matter what path you take if it brings you true happiness? duality is no more than an illusion, no orientation is correct, once we connect, all is one, all is gender-less, all is love. so tell me, what do you love, brother? I know for certain, I love you, regardless of your profound understanding in gay people, which obviously you have no clue how it is like?

[Saiyan]

maybe so, but even that, does it truly matter what path you take if it brings you true happiness? duality is no more than an illusion, no orientation is correct, once we connect, all is one, all is gender-less, all is love. so tell me, what do you love, brother? I know for certain, I love you, regardless of your profound understanding in gay people, which obviously you have no clue how it is like?

Dear Papercut,

I must thank you for a very lovely post  

Of course not, every path is as valid and as good as any other.  

I am striving toward universal love, but I'm obviously not there yet, hehe..

I have nothing against gay people. Human being is a human being regardless of his/her distorsions, and should be respected and loved, and let to live and enjoy his/hers life in any way he/she wants to.

But my opinion is that being gay is not normal and should not be portreyed as such. It could be that there is something wrong with my view of the world and human life, as I'm as distorted as majority of us are, but that's me :-)

I am waiting to hear some argument against my way of thinking on this subject. But some real argument, not stuff like "animals can be gay" and "we were born like this so it must be normal" :-/

I mean, people are born with schizophrenia, autism, bipolar disorder, etc.  People are also born with no limbs, with no hearing or with no sight, born without some internal organs and so on. This all happens with animals as well.

Would you say that it is all normal? Would you say that we should not try to help and heal these people?

I really, really am not trying to insult anyone or be rude on purpose.

If you think that is the case, than just call me homophobic and tell me to f... off

Or you could try to prove me that I'm wrong, but with some good arguments

Thank you, dear Papercut..
I love you too...

[ada]

creation does not speak right/wrong, true/false, normal/abnormal, all is and always will be well. our mission is to love, thank you for your honest reply

[YinYang]

I will just say that gay people have made this world a much better place, more beautiful and interesting. We are richer thanks to them. It’s the creativity thing again. For some reason (there are some speculative studies out there), they are extremely creative. They are phenomenal musicians, poets, artists, writers…just take your pick, and they are some of the most progressive minds on this forum (in my humble opinion). I think it has to do with psychological androgyny. My favourite musicians are gay; Queen, David Bowie, KD Lang, Tracy Chapman, Melissa Etheridge… I’m keeping this relevant to an international forum, in my own country some of the best are also gay, funny that… comedians; Ellen (funniest comedian in this corner of the galaxy), Suzanne Westenhoefer (just as hilarious), poets; Rilke (best of all time), Mary Oliver… then one of the best podcasts on the net, Design Matters with Debbie Millman, best “interestingness” website - Maria Popova’s Brain Pickings, writers; Virginia Woolf, Emily Dickinson, Oscar Wilde, T. S. Eliot, Aristotle, Plato, Shakespeare (he-he, Shakespeare is still under speculation, although Sonnet 18 makes it pretty clear) and even Rumi and Shams are under speculation...

These examples are just the tip of the iceberg, so if this is an “impairment”, Infinite Creator please send us more impairments! It’s urgent!

[YinYang]

And I forgot about Oliver Sacks, what an extraordinary individual. In his last interview before his death he mentioned that his mom said to him "you are an abomination, I wish you had never been born". I have a hunch history will judge him quite differently...

[Infinite]

Well, I read in other sources about the homossexualism. The explanation is the same: when the spirit incarnates oftentimes in the same polarity (sex), and so, incarnates in the opposite polarity (sex) is possible that him to suffer influencies of the old polarity (sex). Being does not feel belonging to the current sex but the old. Is just a question of sexual polarization. In Samael Aun Weor's Gnosis the focus is sexual magick and this question is very clear: is necessary opposite polarity energy for sexual magick working. However, I don't see men or women homossexuals different or below the heterossexuals. Please, don't give this illusion changes your view about the truth. We are all one. Peace, love and light.

[Chandlersdad]

Homosexuality has been observed in over 450 species. This makes your claim that it is "abnormal" (against nature?) totally refuted by reality.

If you are going to use the Ra Law of One to bash gay people, then I would suggest you are not ready for the material.

You have no clue. First, you claim that gay people here are heterophobic.  THEN you insult gay people! The irony is amazing.
[/quote]

Dear Chandlersdad,

Mental illnesses exist in animals as well,  I agree with you on that. But that doesn't mean it is normal. Animals can have distorsions/impairments too,  but at least they do not deny it and try to present it as something normal/good.

I'm not bashing anyone for being gay,  I'm bashing you for bashing Ra for stating the fact that you don't agree with.

If you are so easily offended by someone's opinion which differs from yours, maybre the real problem is in you my friend, you need to accept your distorsions insted of "fighting" people who tell you the truth.

What do you think about those examples when gay people went to psychiatrist, were successfuly cured and now live their lives as straight people?

Kind regards Chandlersdad...
[/quote]

I confess that I do not have the gentle finesse to deal with such blatant ignorance and prejudice calmly, as others here have. You are stating that all animals and humans who exhibit homosexual behavior must be mentally ill. Why should any gay person find that objectionable? How petty of me to respond with a hint of animosity or sarcasm!

So you do not think a society like the USA should teach that homosexuality is (for a small portion of the population) normal? What does such a teaching do to you? Does it mean you must be kind and polite to gay people, that you must not deny them a job or housing or deny them any of the rights guaranteed to all citizens under the USA Constitution? Does their marriage to each other inflict an undue burden on your heterosexual life, such that denying gay people their rights under the assertion that they are "not normal" is justified? Does your discomfort and prejudice matter more (which seems extremely STS to me) than millions of gay peoples' rights?

Listen, I do not have the patience to chat with someone as ignorant as you are. I will let others charm you with their gentle approach which so far ignores the blatantly prejudiced erroneous notions you have picked up about gay people. Perhaps you might want to consult with a local psychiatrist on the issue, since homosexuality is NOT considered a medical disorder in the USA. Per your name, perhaps you live in some third world Asian nation that has only a primitive notion about homosexuality.

I began this thread long ago. But it is not my desire to keep responding to the occasional ignorant poster here. Gay guys - I am not going to keep doing the heavy lifting here. If someone else wishes to "defend their sexuality", they may do so. but I really have done my part to tell it like it is. If that is not allowed within a Ra oriented forum, then I would say that Ra is full of it when it comes to explaining human sexuality in a 3rd density reality. I would consider prejudice a major distortion of the Law of One, not 2 men loving each other. THE END

[YinYang]

Well today is truly a rainbow day in South Africa. Something that has been dominating our news in recent days is this extremely homophobic US preacher who wants to come here.

I'm happy to announce that he and his entourage of undesirables have just been barred from entering the country. He can spread his filth in the US, it's not welcome here, we take prejudice and hate speech very seriously. He has been banned from the UK as well.

Homophobic US pastor Steven Anderson won't be allowed in SA

[ricdaw]

I began this thread long ago. But it is not my desire to keep responding to the occasional ignorant poster here. Gay guys - I am not going to keep doing the heavy lifting here. If someone else wishes to "defend their sexuality", they may do so. but I really have done my part to tell it like it is. If that is not allowed within a Ra oriented forum, then I would say that Ra is full of it when it comes to explaining human sexuality in a 3rd density reality. I would consider prejudice a major distortion of the Law of One, not 2 men loving each other. THE END

Be free of the heavy lift, Chandlersdad. I think the forum is speaking in defense of us through a profound silence (e.g. hostile and/or ignorant statements land with a "plop" in the thread, and they are left without reply). None to few are "liking" such posts.

And this is okay. I have noticed a lack of vitriol and hate in the posts. No one has been "reported." (Unlike the kind of stuff that happens in other blog/post/forums out in the real world.)

This forum feels very safe to me. Nothing in this thread of posts is scary or intimidating. No one is being bullied.

While I am more than capable of jumping into this topical discussion, I feel the need to keep it grounded and focused on Ra's teachings (since that's why we are here). And having expressed my objections to Ra, and Ra not providing any new reply, there doesn't seem to be any traction in engaging.

But, Chandlersdad, I do fully and completely appreciate your heartfelt conviction and willingness to try!

[YinYang]

In my first post of this thread I linked an article which explores the link between prejudice and low IQ, and one can certainly observe it with these extreme right-wing white supremacist groups, and most fundamentalist movements.

But there’s another personality type that isn’t necessarily intellectually challenged that is also always very prejudiced, and that’s the authoritarian personality.

Theodor Adorno’s 1950s book The Authoritarian Personality (Studies in Prejudice) is quite a seminal work in this field. He measured authoritarianism with an F-scale – F standing for fascist.  Authoritarian personalities seek extreme order, and they struggle to make sense of a world filled with infinite variety, abstract concepts, confusion and chaos, and then they proceed to try and “create order”, which leads to fascism and totalitarianism if they’re not met with resistance. With fascist regimes, the first group who is usually in danger is homosexuals - Nazi Germany, Italy during Mussolini's reign, Apartheid South Africa, etc.

Ra also speaks of this order which is characteristic of negativity.

It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that in our understanding too much order is by its essence negative. However, this same ability to structure abstract concepts and to analyze experiential data may be the key to rapid positive polarization.

So this week was interesting for me to observe how we as a nation who is extremely sensitive to fascism and authoritarianism due to our recent past, reacted to this situation with this fundamentalist preacher and hatemonger. We have the most liberal constitution in the world, it's a thing of beauty, written by very positive entities and finally signed off by the big man Mandela himself, so I just got this smile on my face when the decision to bar him from entry was released to the media. I'm still smiling.

[Saiyan]

Dear Chandlersdad,

So you are saying that I'm ignorant because I don't agree with you.

In that case my friend, you are as ignorant as I am, because you don't agree with me, right?

But our 6D friend/friends obviously agree with my opinion. Hmm, interesting.

I guess Ra is also ignorant as I am. Than you must be some super human or something, hehe..

What I find rather interesting about yours responses is that you avoid answering questions constantly.

Maybe you can at least answer this question: why are you so full of anger my brother?

Kind regards Chandlersdad...

PS: I must repeat myself, I have nothing against you guys. Just keep it real and accept who you are, don't be mad at others for your own distortions, you have chosen it, remember?

[Diana]

It might be remembered that any channeled material comes through a channel. No matter how "pure" the channel, the channel is still human with distortions. This distorts the material.

So in considering the Ra Material, it must follow that the human channel be considered. This is not to say I think Carla was prejudiced against gays. But being a human with distortions must play a part in what comes through, and not necessarily in a linear or even conscious manner.

Be authentic and think for yourself. This stance does create a sense of isolation. Humans are still mostly in herd mentality, where anyone different from the herd is perceived as a threat. The hardest part of dealing with that is trying to feel the oneness, at least for me.

I think when it comes to homosexuality, or any sexual identity apart from what our religions have mandated, it is helpful to think ahead to a future, more evolved society. I imagine in that society sexuality, along with much of physicality, to be of little importance beyond how an individual wants to express. If at that point there are still male and female body types, I am assuming procreation will be achieved in another less animal way, so there would be no concern whatsoever about who one is with sexually. One would be completely free and safe to unite with any other individual in any way because it is based on just the magnetic attraction and not on fears of the species dying out. Which suggests that in a future, evolved society without the need to procreate physically, the human body may indeed become androgynous. 

So to identify as gay or heterosexual has little meaning to me. I try to drop these identities. I am female and I am attracted sexually to males. But that doesn't mean I don't ever have sexual feelings for women—they just aren't that strong. But the lines are blurred. And I think the lines are meaningless once you remove procreation and societal judgments (which are ever-changing according to human fears) from the equation. 

[YinYang]

Humans are still mostly in herd mentality, where anyone different from the herd is perceived as a threat.

This reminded me of the "fear lecture" in the movie A Single Man, so I just had to post it.

[rva_jeremy]

So to identify as gay or heterosexual has little meaning to me. I try to drop these identities. I am female and I am attracted sexually to males. But that doesn't mean I don't ever have sexual feelings for women—they just aren't that strong. But the lines are blurred. And I think the lines are meaningless once you remove procreation and societal judgments (which are ever-changing according to human fears) form the equation. 

For what it's worth, this is kind of my argument too -- and we debated this at length at homecoming this year, late into the night/early morning.  

Lived, experienced sexuality is totally a spectrum and probably several spectra, with lots of interrelated energetic phenomena at play.  In any other form of energy we'd easily acknowledge this, understanding that the poles, the extremes at either end of the spectrum, are ideals or archetypes that one approaches but never reaches 100%.  When those of Ra articulate an ideal when it comes to sexuality, why would we expect a special kind of balance to which we'd never hold ourselves in any other energetic aspect?

This is why I think you have to take Ra's pronouncements with a grain of salt when you apply it to the human experience.  Living according to the Law of One is something to which we aspire, not something we achieve in third density.  Compassion for the actual experience is always therefore appropriate.