World Orion Seek to Destroy Humanity?

[Ashim]

You're right, I was not familiar with the camelot project.  For what it's worth, what I see there is not a heartfelt offering of love and light, particularly.  It feels rather disharmonious compared to offerings from the heart.  (Not that I'm always living up to the highest standards, myself.)

I read about 30% of the Svali page and I thought that was plenty to experience it as a vibration dedicated destabilization through fear and paranoia.  That seems worthy of mention.

Lastly, I'm doing the best I can to be respectful towards yourself.  I trust you'll let me know how I'm doing in that department.

Teach/Learning my friend.
You are doing a fine job and I wish you all the best on the successful completion of your mission.

[Sacred Fool]

Thank you. I don't actually have a mission, per se. I just didn't want the hh stuff to be propagated without some clarification of its character. It just seems more balanced that way.

[Aion]

Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

[Ashim]

Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

[Minyatur]

Lots of members seem to have come here because of Hidden Hand, including myself, so that probably mean something of itself.

[Aion]

Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

I am glad you enjoy my unique literary style. I do my best to be both simple and to the point.

[Ashim]

Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

I am glad you enjoy my unique literary style. I do my best to be both simple and to the point.

Why not, for the benefit of the forum, expand on your initial comment; perhaps using a wider assortment of nouns, adjectives, pronouns, etc.
Sure, we will all be in the realm of telepathy soon, but just to facilitate fluid communications in the mean time.  

[Aion]

Hidden Hand is full of s*** anyways.

Well, thank you for your eloquent, poignant and impeccably researched comment.
I can't wait for the follow up.

I am glad you enjoy my unique literary style. I do my best to be both simple and to the point.

Why not, for the benefit of the forum, expand on your initial comment; perhaps using a wider assortment of nouns, adjectives, pronouns, etc.
Sure, we will all be in the realm of telepathy soon, but just to facilitate fluid communications in the mean time.  

Well, since you asked so nicely, I suppose I could expand on my assuredly concise thoughts so as to illustrate the details of my clear imagery.

[Infinite Unity]

Hidden hand to me seems like an ordinary person who has done there Ra homework. I personally do not like the feeling get from hidden hand. I read some of her rhetoric on her being from s m c lucifer, and how Yahweh asked for help in his creation. When she spoke on Yahweh it was with obvious distain. It was pretty clear to me one of her main sources of information was the Ra Material. I don't like how she portays herself being of the bloodlines, and openly says she's a negative adept. Then a paragraph down will then flip to sto variations of material. So basically in my opinion of your interested in hidden hand, just skip to the source and read Ra. Everything else is her subjective view of what is. f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

[Minyatur]

f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

I do think that is what they all hint toward, inward seeking.

[Sacred Fool]

f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

I do think that is what they all hint toward, inward seeking.

I agree.  Also, it seems to me that enhanced bickering serves to reduce the polarity of this forum.  Now, whom would that serve?

[Ashim]

Hidden hand to me seems like an ordinary person who has done there Ra homework. I personally do not like the feeling get from hidden hand. I read some of her rhetoric on her being from s m c lucifer, and how Yahweh asked for help in his creation. When she spoke on Yahweh it was with obvious distain. It was pretty clear to me one of her main sources of information was the Ra Material. I don't like how she portays herself being of the bloodlines, and openly says she's a negative adept. Then a paragraph down will then flip to sto variations of material. So basically in my opinion of your interested in hidden hand, just skip to the source and read Ra. Everything else is her subjective view of what is. f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

How about real critical thinking as aposed to whataboutism?
Discuss.

 The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

[APeacefulWarrior]

That's the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories in general.  Even the most well-meaning person who repeats them believing it's a service is ultimately just spreading ideas full of fear and negativity.  After all, those who profit from fear also profit from being feared.  Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent.  After all, the ultimate message here is basically "The world is controlled by an evil which is so deeply entrenched and widespread in reach no one could reasonably hope to uproot it."  I have a hard time imagining a more potent message for increasing paranoia and distrust in people, whether it's true or not.

You are, I believe, mistaken.
Your instict instructs you to ignore or block out these unimaginable things. These terrors. However, the higher you progress, the purer your vibration, the more you will see them to be real, actual elements of our society. This prompts acceptance. 
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.

Funny.  You couldn't even discuss the subject for a single paragraph without throwing in an insinuation that someone is "out to get me."  And yet you wonder why I regard such materials as merely being instruments to create needless paranoia?

It's true that acceptance of darker realities is one element of higher levels of awareness... but A)that doesn't necessarily mean believing in Dan Brown-level bad writing, and B)it doesn't do a thing to help the vast majority of less-enlightened people who read those sorts of materials and start jumping at shadows due to them.  I've seen people reduced to nervous wrecks, alienating all their friends and family, because they've become so convinced some conspiracy is out to "get" them.

But the real conspiracy is almost certainly only one to trick them into "getting" themselves.  Like Sun Tzu said, the best way to win a battle is to never fight it at all.  Merely trick your enemy into destroying himself instead.  After all, just turn things around.  Imagine YOU are a dark person in a position of power.  Wouldn't you want your perceived impact to be magnified?  Wouldn't you want to appear more fearsome than you really are?  Wouldn't you want people to be terrified of you, rather than only being concerned?  Wouldn't you want people to believe you're so powerful you must be reckoned with...  even if it wasn't actually the case?  

Or especially if it wasn't actually the case?   Wouldn't such a dark person be most afraid of being ignored?

An advanced positive person is humble.  An advanced negative would be the opposite.  They're going to understand just what a powerful tool fear is, and would do anything to increase that fear.  As far as that goes, spreading hyperbolic fearmongering propaganda is child's play, particularly because so many people eagerly eat it up and then regurgitate it for others.

In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.

[Ashim]

That's the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories in general.  Even the most well-meaning person who repeats them believing it's a service is ultimately just spreading ideas full of fear and negativity.  After all, those who profit from fear also profit from being feared.  Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent.  After all, the ultimate message here is basically "The world is controlled by an evil which is so deeply entrenched and widespread in reach no one could reasonably hope to uproot it."  I have a hard time imagining a more potent message for increasing paranoia and distrust in people, whether it's true or not.

You are, I believe, mistaken.
Your instict instructs you to ignore or block out these unimaginable things. These terrors. However, the higher you progress, the purer your vibration, the more you will see them to be real, actual elements of our society. This prompts acceptance. 
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.

Funny.  You couldn't even discuss the subject for a single paragraph without throwing in an insinuation that someone is "out to get me."  And yet you wonder why I regard such materials as merely being instruments to create needless paranoia?

It's true that acceptance of darker realities is one element of higher levels of awareness... but A)that doesn't necessarily mean believing in Dan Brown-level bad writing, and B)it doesn't do a thing to help the vast majority of less-enlightened people who read those sorts of materials and start jumping at shadows due to them.  I've seen people reduced to nervous wrecks, alienating all their friends and family, because they've become so convinced some conspiracy is out to "get" them.

But the real conspiracy is almost certainly only one to trick them into "getting" themselves.  Like Sun Tzu said, the best way to win a battle is to never fight it at all.  Merely trick your enemy into destroying himself instead.  After all, just turn things around.  Imagine YOU are a dark person in a position of power.  Wouldn't you want your perceived impact to be magnified?  Wouldn't you want to appear more fearsome than you really are?  Wouldn't you want people to be terrified of you, rather than only being concerned?  Wouldn't you want people to believe you're so powerful you must be reckoned with...  even if it wasn't actually the case?  

Or especially if it wasn't actually the case?   Wouldn't such a dark person be most afraid of being ignored?

An advanced positive person is humble.  An advanced negative would be the opposite.  They're going to understand just what a powerful tool fear is, and would do anything to increase that fear.  As far as that goes, spreading hyperbolic fearmongering propaganda is child's play, particularly because so many people eagerly eat it up and then regurgitate it for others.

In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.

The "out to get you" thing was a joke. Sorry you missed it.
Fact is, the dark elements must not be overcome. That's your misunderstanding.
Darkness, the shadow self, must be integrated.
Mucho más diferente

[APeacefulWarrior]

The "out to get you" thing was a joke. Sorry you missed it.
Fact is, the dark elements must not be overcome. That's your misunderstanding.
Darkness, the shadow self, must be integrated.
Mucho más diferente

So... you "integrate" conspiracy theories by helping disseminate them, whether they're true or not?

Well, it's your choice, but I tend to think that negative entities can fend for themselves and don't need much extra help. I'm more concerned about the damage such tall tales do to the unwary and the unprepared. Accepting that dark elements unavoidably exist doesn't necessarily mean disregarding the pain they can cause.

(BTW, you appear to have misunderstood what you believe to be my misunderstanding. I said nothing about "overcoming" the dark elements; I was speaking to how to avoid unknowingly aiding them. Ignoring the darkness doesn't make it go away, but can deny it additional power.)

[Glow]

In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.

I think we likely are all to react in a different way. I've know some people through my business that are "old blood lines" they have confirmed a lot of the control those few families have. *cough* democracy for me it provides no further catayst as I've accepted it is what it is and when their time is up it will be up. The only thing it does for me is reaffirmed I need to have my own mind and not be led by concensuss.

Maybe others need to get upset and paranoid, they still need that fear to concrete their push to break free of mainstream media telling them what to think/want/seek/love. Others maybe need the conspiracy propaganda they provide to crack their eyes open.

PS you heard about the ww2 military base in Greenland that is 150' below the surface right?
I'm sure people would have called that BS in those time but since the ice is melting the USA decided to admit it. I'm not sure we could even imagine the deception at work at the highest levels.

Not sure fear mongering is ideal but at least people will start questioning things, maybe be less easily led. That seems ok to me.

[APeacefulWarrior]

OK, I rarely pull this particular rhetorical stunt, but I'm a bit incredulous that you said THIS:

I think we likely are all to react in a different way. I've know some people through my business that are "old blood lines" they have confirmed a lot of the control those few families have.

...and yet wrapped up with:

Not sure fear mongering is ideal but at least people will start questioning things, maybe be less easily led. That seems ok to me.

So I'm just going to ask... Why exactly did you believe these people when they told you they were from incredibly powerful families that control the world? Why was this not one of the things you questioned so that you would not be easily led?

Because I would have a hard time believing they had no ulterior motives for telling you these things.

Besides which... even then, the amount of power those at the very top have over those at the lower levels is limited at best. Sure, I have no doubt there are families who get to do things like influence which banks are lending to which governments and games like that. But at the ground level, this is all largely abstract stuff that has very little direct impact on day-to-day commonplace life. At least, not unless a person believes those families have huge power over them, at which point the amount of power they gain is exactly the amount of power that person gives up via their fear.

[Minyatur]

I went to see a Horror movie 2 days ago and when the movie was starting I was thinking about how people are drawn to such things because of what it makes them feel, much alike how children get a certain thrill from fear which makes them seek it while they also dislike it. Then I thought from the perspective of an infinite being, lifetimes are pretty much like living a story, you're the character and live the scenario in the same manner a character in a movie seems to take itself seriously in what happens. So some souls could definitely have sought to feel the thrill of fleeing a murderer or of getting killed or even being led to kill another, this is done through a conscious or unconscious disincarnate focus (from the unveiled self or the Higher Self). All emotions are emotions of Love and as such contain a thrill/beauty/greatness in their exploration. I also believe on some level there are probably more willing to experience negative catalyst projected to them, than there are who are well with offering it. There's also the perspective that as infinite beings we always come to heal, so any negative state can only ever be a temporary exploration that adds to what we are.

On some level we truly are actors that others project, each of us is an answer to a need within others, so if you're in a certain state that makes you offer a negative catalyst, then you're really playing the role this other consciousness projects for you to play (interconnection/unity). There is no one nor anything that is not an infinite being nor Intelligent Infinity. The ways of the Octave work that lower consciousness is there to allow itself to be molded by higher consciousness (each thing takes it's turn and move up) and this allows to experience the infinite cause and effect of beingness as One, those who experienced the Light without awareness of the Dark saw a limit to their experience and sought to offer to those who would follow after them the ability to experience otherwise, this is the root of all darkness yet is literally just positive intent. They wanted us to know passion in greater ways, have more vivid experiences of what Love truly is because this is what they thought their experience lacked. We, who grow in awareness of Light and Dark also offer our distillment of what it meant to be ourselves so that others may grow as their own thing also, each always within it's free will of what it desires to be. Just like how Ra said those who experienced a lack of free will in their experience had the free will to experience this lack of free will, we are those who had the free will to grow in Love with awareness of both the STO and STS facets of this Love. Even if you never go in a negative density in your movement through the Octave, you are still of those who had the free will to observe it's existence.

So ultimately, those of the STS path are either consciously or unconsciously an answer to a need in others, just like you ever are yourself.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Sure, Minyatur... but we also have the Free Will to examine these scenarios and then decide for ourselves what contributions to make or not make to them.

It's all well and good to recognize in the abstract that life is a stage and we're but players on it. In that respect, I heartily agree... but each person's role is their own, and what they choose to contribute to that play is entirely up to them. I reject the idea that merely observing these things absolves me of the responsibility of participation. As Rush famously said, if I choose not to decide I still have made a choice. I AM here. I AM participating.

If I hadn't wanted to participate, I could have either not incarnated or just found a calmer planet to live on.

And while it's probably true that there are some who are fundamentally drawn towards negativity and use self-induced fear as their gateway to self-love, so to speak... I still choose to participate by pointing out the power dynamics involved and possibly helping to clarify the ramifications of the choices made when someone decides to play along with such theatrics. If someone is going to be drawn towards the darkness, they could potentially at least realize what path they're going down before it becomes too late for them to choose to turn around without a lot of time and healing involved.

The best choices are those made with the fullest amount of information about that choice, at least imo.

[Ashim]

The "out to get you" thing was a joke. Sorry you missed it.
Fact is, the dark elements must not be overcome. That's your misunderstanding.
Darkness, the shadow self, must be integrated.
Mucho más diferente

So...  you "integrate" conspiracy theories by helping disseminate them, whether they're true or not?  

Well, it's your choice, but I tend to think that negative entities can fend for themselves and don't need much extra help.  I'm more concerned about the damage such tall tales do to the unwary and the unprepared.  Accepting that dark elements unavoidably exist doesn't necessarily mean disregarding the pain they can cause.  

(BTW, you appear to have misunderstood what you believe to be my misunderstanding.  I said nothing about "overcoming" the dark elements; I was speaking to how to avoid unknowingly aiding them.  Ignoring the darkness doesn't make it go away, but can deny it additional power.)

Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

[Glow]

OK, I rarely pull this particular rhetorical stunt, but I'm a bit incredulous that you said THIS:

I think we likely are all to react in a different way. I've know some people through my business that are "old blood lines" they have confirmed a lot of the control those few families have.

...and yet wrapped up with:

Not sure fear mongering is ideal but at least people will start questioning things, maybe be less easily led. That seems ok to me.

So I'm just going to ask...  Why exactly did you believe these people when they told you they were from incredibly powerful families that control the world?  Why was this not one of the things you questioned so that you would not be easily led?

Besides which...  even then, the amount of power those at the very top have over those at the lower levels is limited at best.  Sure, I have no doubt there are families who get to do things like influence which banks are lending to which governments and games like that.  But at the ground level, this is all largely abstract stuff that has very little direct impact on day-to-day commonplace life.  At least, not unless a person believes those families have huge power over them, at which point the amount of power they gain is exactly the amount of power that person gives up via their fear.

I don't think I was fear mongering. Actually I know I wasn't. My clients never were either I would see them every month for years and conversations continue where you left off.

I'm not going to give out names but ones father was in the U.N. for a long time. There are also family names you can't fake being a part of.
The one I'm referring to with UN links is the most soft spoken gentle man, neither of us have fear over certain people having so much control. It's money, it would be nieve to assume families that have horded weath for centuries wouldn't use it to ensure they retain the wealth they have.

You can still have a great life of you work hard, just no need to be pushed and pulled by the mainstream media. Really you wanna talk fear mongering? Swine flu ? Didn't happen, bird flu? Didn't happen. SARS, Weapons of mass destruction?
Most of the stuff news services get people upset about is pure nonsense too. All I'm saying is think for yourself. Don't just follow the heard. *by didn't happen I mean they acted like everyone was going to die but very few even got it.

At least the conspiracy theorists are saying that vs the mainstream media trying to lead everyone to let them do the thinking for you.
Again I'm not one to indulge in reading all the fear based stuff. I'm not willing to be programmed by anyone, yet I'm not going to pretend there aren't people so fully enmeshed in their Facebook life that they couldn't use a new perspective to separate them from worshiping so hard at the Hollywood knows best altar.

Pendulums
Green peace were basically environmental terrorists but no one was listening now the pendulum has swung back to the middle.

Hippies did the same for our value system that catered to only white upper class men.

I'm tired after a long day but I'm sure you can come up with other examples where extremes brought awareness to a situation that needed attention but not to the degree the extremist went.
I see this the same way.

[Ashim]

If you are full of light and have balls the size of Saturn, then you may go "into darkness".

[APeacefulWarrior]

Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly? Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote. "Promptly have a panic attack?" Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said. Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either. That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard. The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light. Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally. They're almost inevitably going to favor one side or the other, both in the world and in themselves.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities. But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Green peace were basically environmental terrorists but no one was listening now the pendulum has swung back to the middle.

Hippies did the same for our value system that catered to only white upper class men.

I'm tired after a long day but I'm sure you can come up with other examples where extremes brought awareness to a situation that needed attention but not to the degree the extremist went.
I see this the same way.

The difference is, very few people are likely to destroy their lives and alienate all their friends and family from sheer paranoia, by being hippies smoking pot and enjoying free love. Conspiracy theories are very much a "playing with fire" situation, and it's very easy for people to get burned.

I also think you're giving Greenpeace a lot more credit than they're necessarily due. I'd wager Star Trek is ultimately far more responsible for the public at large becoming concerned with oceanic issues last generation than anything Greenpeace did. Which is the issue with Hollywood and the media. Sometimes they use their power responsibly, other times they don't.

Sure, it would be good if people on Facebook were less credulous and didn't blindly follow every trend that came along. But conspiracy theories just represent a different control system, and end up resulting in people like Alex Jones who are just as manipulative as the system they claim to fight. And in the meantime, for most people, if they weren't repeating gossip from TmZ, they'd be repeating gossip about their neighbors instead. It's a rather basic human trait that's been with us all of recorded history, and it wouldn't go away just because certain power structures vanished. Another extremely similar power structure would simply fill the vacuum left behind.

Most people are just fundamentally clannish, and there's always going to be something in life enabling such behavior. At least as long as people are living in 3D.

(And without outright defending the more noxious elements of the media, I'd suggest that the pacification effect it has is not entirely a bad thing. After all, there are far fewer wars in the world right now than pretty much any other time in history, and fewer violent crimes are being committed in most "westernized" countries than ever before as well. TV, as Howard Beale said, is in the boredom-killing business - and less boredom seems to also result in less people doing bad things to each other. If such a power structure were to go away, it would be very easy for a more openly harmful one to take its place.)

[Ashim]

Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly?  Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote.  "Promptly have a panic attack?"  Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said.  Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either.  That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard.  The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light.  Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities.  But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

I never called you silly. You were quick to edit that. Well done.
So basically, what you are saying is, that I should not come on here and spread information about the Law of One that is freely available on the internet, due to your concerns that it might be negative propaganda:and that beings less spiritually evolved as yourself could be influenced, against their will and become seduced by my dark manipulations.
You sound as jumpy as a bag of wired frogs.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly?  Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote.  "Promptly have a panic attack?"  Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said.  Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either.  That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard.  The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light.  Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities.  But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

I never called you silly. You were quick to edit that. Well done.

Wow man. Just wow. You literally told me "Stop being silly." I mean, it's even right there in the quoted section at the top of your reply! I can't begin to imagine what you think this denial accomplishes when it's self-evidently untrue.

But whatever. I'm going to bed.

Edit: Ah, I see you added more hyperbole and misquotes to your post just now. (sigh) Seriously, are you just not able to respond to the actual words I write, rather than making up creative re-interpretations of them? I never told you what to do or not to do, and I certainly never said anything about "your dark manipulations." And, once again, you then pass judgement on me based on your rewriting rather than what I actually wrote. Do you honestly not see how completely disrespectful this is, and how it makes anything like reasonable discussion basically impossible?

Yep, definitely time for bed.

[Ashim]

Stop being silly. I doubt seriously that any random and "unprepared" person would happen upon this thread and promptly have a panic attack due to our discourse. If so I take full responsibility. 
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

Silly?  Can you not discuss this without resorting to open insult?

Also, you say this, yet use a strawman argument to obscure what I really wrote.  "Promptly have a panic attack?"  Sure, that's silly, but it's not what I said.  Just as I never said anything about "overcoming" the darkness either.  That's two posts in a row you've misquoted me and then used that misquote as a basis of judgement.

And if "ignoring" was overstating the situation somewhat, it was only because I decided to try to write a shorter post without going into a lengthy discussion about the fine distinctions between various forms of disregard.  The underlying truth remains that those who focus on the darkness are ultimately empowering the darkness, and those who focus on the light are ultimately empowering the light.  Very few, if any, are capable of being so neutral as to feed both simultaneously and equally.

If someone chooses to focus on the darkness, that's certainly their right as free entities.  But I still think it's helpful if they're aware that's what they're doing, and choosing deliberately rather than unknowingly.

I never called you silly. You were quick to edit that. Well done.

Wow man.  Just wow.  You literally told me "Stop being silly."  I mean, it's even right there in the quoted section at the top of your reply!  I can't begin to imagine what you think this denial accomplishes when it's self-evidently untrue.  

But whatever.   I'm going to bed.

Make sure to keep the light on.

[Minyatur]

Sure, Minyatur...  but we also have the Free Will to examine these scenarios and then decide for ourselves what contributions to make or not make to them.  

It's all well and good to recognize in the abstract that life is a stage and we're but players on it.  In that respect, I heartily agree...  but each person's role is their own, and what they choose to contribute to that play is entirely up to them.  I reject the idea that merely observing these things absolves me of the responsibility of participation.   As Rush famously said, if I choose not to decide I still have made a choice.  I AM here.  I AM participating.

If I hadn't wanted to participate, I could have either not incarnated or just found a calmer planet to live on.

And while it's probably true that there are some who are fundamentally drawn towards negativity and use self-induced fear as their gateway to self-love, so to speak...  I still choose to participate by pointing out the power dynamics involved and possibly helping to clarify the ramifications of the choices made when someone decides to play along with such theatrics.  If someone is going to be drawn towards the darkness, they could potentially at least realize what path they're going down before it becomes too late for them to choose to turn around without a lot of time and healing involved.

The best choices are those made with the fullest amount of information about that choice, at least imo.

Of course and your free will to choose is how you gain momentum across densities in this Octave, so can't really escape that unless you wanna forever remain at the same level (middle path ftw, let's observe others polarize and realize polarity is never our true identity)

I don't see a problem with what you said, my post was more general and was left open in a tab since this morning.

[Glow]

Green peace were basically environmental terrorists but no one was listening now the pendulum has swung back to the middle.

Hippies did the same for our value system that catered to only white upper class men.

I'm tired after a long day but I'm sure you can come up with other examples where extremes brought awareness to a situation that needed attention but not to the degree the extremist went.
I see this the same way.

The difference is, very few people are likely to destroy their lives and alienate all their friends and family from sheer paranoia, by being hippies smoking pot and enjoying free love.  Conspiracy theories are very much a "playing with fire" situation, and it's very easy for people to get burned.  
 
I also think you're giving Greenpeace a lot more credit than they're necessarily due.  I'd wager Star Trek is ultimately far more responsible for the public at large becoming concerned with oceanic issues last generation than anything Greenpeace did.   Which is the issue with Hollywood and the media.  Sometimes they use their power responsibly, other times they don't.

Sure, it would be good if people on Facebook were less credulous and didn't blindly follow every trend that came along.  But conspiracy theories just represent a different control system, and end up resulting in people like Alex Jones who are just as manipulative as the system they claim to fight.  And in the meantime, for most people, if they weren't repeating gossip from TmZ, they'd be repeating gossip about their neighbors instead.  It's a rather basic human trait that's been with us all of recorded history, and it wouldn't go away just because certain power structures vanished.  Another extremely similar power structure would simply fill the vacuum left behind.

Most people are just fundamentally clannish, and there's always going to be something in life enabling such behavior.  At least as long as people are living in 3D.  

(And without outright defending the more noxious elements of the media, I'd suggest that the pacification effect it has is not entirely a bad thing.  After all, there are far fewer wars in the world right now than pretty much any other time in history, and fewer violent crimes are being committed in most "westernized" countries than ever before as well.  TV, as Howard Beale said, is in the boredom-killing business - and less boredom seems to also result in less people doing bad things to each other.  If such a power structure were to go away, it would be very easy for a more openly harmful one to take its place.)

Agree to disagree. I fully think that is ok though just different experiences, and perspectives.

[Patrick]

...
In the meantime, if one has simply accepted that there are dark elements to life which cannot be overcome... then why pay them much mind at all?  Focus on promoting the positive in life, and thus deny the negative the fear it so desperately needs to fuel its power.

Well said !

This is quite simply the easiest and most direct way to change the world IMHO.