6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[βαθμιαίος]

so now, we are over the polarity question then ?

If by that you mean, "Does everyone agree that polarization = compassion alone?" I'd have to say the answer is no. In fact, I'm not sure anyone agrees.

Peregrine's questions are relevant because they address the heart of the thread: what do we do now that we're here on this planet at this time?

[Joseph326]

Polarity is simply a tool for the expansion of the consciousness of the One Infinite Creator. It is a method of growth. This growth is indeed a service.

When an entity is seeking without polarity, it is not focused on expansion anymore. It is focused upon reaching Oneness so that its journey of service may be complete and fully integrated. On the path of consciously seeking Oneness, an entity may need to fine-tune the balance they have achieved through their various polarized services, in order to become perfectly balanced (yet still unique in their experiences). This would most likely require incarnation, and harvest time would be the most efficient in providing suitable catalyst.

Every entity of a social memory complex that chooses to incarnate for further balance would in most cases be working on distortion(s) that are unique to the individual. Keep in mind a social memory complex can be comprised of millions of entities who each keep their individual traits when joining the collective.

There may be only a small amount, or a quite large amount of distortions to work through depending on the individual. These distortions may be balanced through a particular service. The individual mind/body/spirit complex will know, if they are in touch with their higher self to some extent, what services are needed in the current incarnation.

Expansion of Infinity (polarity is the method of this in our octave) is a service. Seeking towards Unity is also a service. As the 'breath' of the Creator goes out, so too must it breathe inward in order to expand while continuing to exist and integrating the expansion.

Would a 3D incarnation be a suitable environment in which to seek Oneness with the Creator? If so, it would most likely be one of the most challenging, yet enriching methods of doing so due to the heavy veil and the abundance of catalyst.

I would suggest, if I may, that each Wanderer might be here for a different reason. This may include various services through polarization that are required for balance. It may also include the seeking of Oneness if balance is already achieved. One lifetime may well include both depending upon the progress attained by the entity. There is ever the possibility of further distortion in an individual due to the nature of 3rd density, and this is a known risk. Further polarization may be required to balance this. Only the individual will know what type of service they have incarnated to perform, so it may be helpful for each Wanderer to accept that they may be here for different specific reasons. Whatever these reasons are, they are surely providing a service to the One Infinite Creator. There is no other possibility.

[Sacred Fool]

i dont think this is going anywhere.

Let's call that your choice.


I'll conclude, then, with a summation of my view of our discussion.

I observe that polarization comes in two shades, light & dark or STO & STS. In 6D where other selves are not viewed as other selves but as aspects of the Creatrix, these two paths collapse in into one, Service to the Creatrix, pure and simple. However, since 3D is not 6D, this does not apply here. (In part, this is because unbeknownst to our conscious selves, we are continually acting in STO & STS ways unconsciously. It's not until 6D that these can be completely sorted out and balanced.) The alternative to all of this is confusion, indifference, arrogance and whatever else may distract one from polarization, i.e., the sinkhole. The central nerve here is indifference leading to seeking leading to service and polarity leading to purity of being.


You have been indifferent to discussing service and your own inclination (if any) towards seeking while you disparage of polarization. Moreover, you continually confuse the discussion with unsubstantiated beliefs and conclusions.

If you don't yet know what you're seeking, then this conversation will have to be postponed until that time. If we're not reaching for a goal here, then what's the point of discussing all this? It has no practical value--discounting the entertainment factor.

[unity100]

If by that you mean, "Does everyone agree that polarization = compassion alone?" I'd have to say the answer is no. In fact, I'm not sure anyone agrees.

compassion should be a side effect, or, a manifestation of the concept of polarity. positive polarity seems to be giving to others, neglect of self, to the point of sacrifice. negative, seems to be the opposite.

Peregrine's questions are relevant because they address the heart of the thread: what do we do now that we're here on this planet at this time?

he is trying to basically go around the fact that Ra is an entity that serves, yet, they are not positively polarized and seeking without polarity. in this process, he is attempting to redefine polarity by 'serving the creatrix' and then attributing it to Ra.

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Let's call that your choice.

I'll conclude, then, with a summation of my view of our discussion.

I observe that polarization comes in two shades, light & dark or STO & STS. In 6D where other selves are not viewed as other selves but as aspects of the Creatrix, these two paths collapse in into one, Service to the Creatrix, pure and simple. However, since 3D is not 6D, this does not apply here. (In part, this is because unbeknownst to our conscious selves, we are continually acting in STO & STS ways unconsciously. It's not until 6D that these can be completely sorted out and balanced.) The alternative to all of this is confusion, indifference, arrogance and whatever else may distract one from polarization, i.e., the sinkhole. The central nerve here is indifference leading to seeking leading to service and polarity leading to purity of being.

You have been indifferent to discussing service and your own inclination (if any) towards seeking while you disparage of polarization. Moreover, you continually confuse the discussion with unsubstantiated beliefs and conclusions.

If you don't yet know what you're seeking, then this conversation will have to be postponed until that time. If we're not reaching for a goal here, then what's the point of discussing all this? It has no practical value--discounting the entertainment factor.

'postpone this conversation' indefinitely then, for a conversation as such, in which you are redefining concepts and then attributing them to entities and society complexes would not go anywhere.

this is not about 'my choice' or 'their choice' or 'your choice'. or 'creatrix' or anything else.

this is about the concept of polarity.

ra defines the concept of polarity in a certain manner. then they say that, they are seeking without polarity, as of their density.

from this point on, you cannot establish analogy in between them 'serving the creator' and you 'serving the creator' and then come up saying that they are polarized.

they, are not polarized.

what they are seeking, what are their choices, what is your choice, what is my choice, what anyone is seeking, do not change this fact :

they defined polarity, and then they said they are seeking without polarity. that means, they are seeking without polarity.

[βαθμιαίος]

Are you saying Ra has defined polarity as compassion?

Ra is still seeking to serve others. For instance, "The unique characteristic of the workings which the social memory complex Ra and your group have begun is the intent to serve others with the highest attempt at near purity which we as comrades may achieve."

[unity100]

we touched compassion concept in an earlier post a few from above.

as for the quote you made, are you aware that, that quote totally liberates the concept of 'service to other' from 'polarity' ?

if, ra is serving others, with purity, and, they are without polarity, then, it means there is no mandatory relevance or link in between polarity, and purity.

[βαθμιαίος]

we touched compassion concept in an earlier post a few from above.

You have said many times that compassion equals positive polarity. However, I don't remember you showing that Ra said that. The one quote you provided to that effect ("their comment about polarization being salvation of 3d despite it being imbalancing in the greater scheme of things") actually illustrated your apparent confusion between compassion and polarization because Ra said "compassion" where you wrote "polarization".

as for the quote you made, are you aware that, that quote totally liberates the concept of 'service to other' from 'polarity' ?

Again, there seems to be some basic confusion here. There are two polarities, service to others and service to self. It's not possible to "liberate" service to others from polarity any more than it's possible to liberate positive or negative force from a magnet.

if, ra is serving others, with purity, and, they are without polarity, then, it means there is no mandatory relevance or link in between polarity, and purity.

Ra said they are seeking without polarity. That doesn't mean they are without polarity, and it doesn't mean they serve without polarity. I agree with Etude here. In sixth density the negative polarity is abandoned, not the positive.

[Monica]

You missed an important word. It involves becoming more and more balanced and radiant. Both are important.

polarity has no relevance to balance.

That's how I'm reading this quote:

64.5 ...We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

...taken together with this quote:

89.29 Ra: I am Ra. Those of us which had the gift of polarity felt deep compassion for those who seemed to dwell in darkness.

...I understand Ra to be saying:

They seek without polarity.
They seek the balance between compassion and wisdom.
Polarity does not = compassion (else the statement would be redundant).
Compassion is one of the fruits, or results, of positive polarity.
Polarity does not = balance: since they seek balance without polarity, then balance cannot be = polarity.

since the extreme love of 4d is dubbed as imbalanced and unwise by Ra,

Unwise for Ra. Not necessarily unwise for us.

Imbalanced, to be sure. But perhaps necessary in certain instances, such as the mission of Jesus.

Also, did Ra ever define at exactly what point compassion becomes extreme? We know Jesus had extreme compassion, but justifiably so, in order to fulfill his mission. We also know that Ra was imbalanced towards compassion and then had to balance. But how do we determine what is appropriate for us? Wouldn't it depend on our own particular mission?

- positive polarity of 4d entities approach 99% harmoniously upon graduation
- ra had to spend extra time in 5d to BALANCE the extreme love and compassion they gained in 4d.

that means, polarity != balance. there is no relevance in between them.

Perhaps it is designed such that balance can only be achieved after 5D. Perhaps 4D is designed to be out of balance, though not necessarily to the degree that Ra was, and the purpose of 5D is to provide the wisdom which will balance the compassion.

this doesnt even make sense. what is 'becoming light'. everything existing is energy, vibrating in various frequencies. 1d red is also light, 8d white is also light. there is nothing that is not 'light' in that regard.

That statement you were responding to was incomplete. Ra didn't say they became light. They said they had become light/love and love/light:

64.5 ...We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light.

There must be a reason for this distinction (though I'm not certain exactly what it is, heh).

Again, there seems to be some basic confusion here. There are two polarities, service to others and service to self. It's not possible to "liberate" service to others from polarity any more than it's possible to liberate positive or negative force from a magnet.

I think it depends on what you mean by the term service to others. It's not really a definition of the positive polarity. It is the percentage of service to others that is the definition of positive polarity.

Ra stated that they seek without polarity.
Ra serves others.
Ra is 6D.
At some point in 6D, polarity "becomes history."

47.5 ...The positive/negative polarity is a thing which will, at the sixth level, simply become history. Therefore, we speak in an illusory time continuum when we discuss statistics of positive versus negative harvest into fifth.

Thus, it appears to me that the term service to others, as a description of the positive polarity, cannot be separated. However, as a description of what is actually happening, ie. being of service, then it is distinct from polarity, because surely Ra serves others, yet has no polarity.

For example, a negatively polarized entity might have 3% STO, and be guilty of a teeny tiny selfless act (like in that Star Trek episode when the entity helped the Enterprise...that illustrates it quite well). That entity might do a tiny good deed...and in that moment, the 3% STO surfaces. Yet, the entity is still polarized STS, because of the net percentage.

Likewise, all of us STO entities sometimes are guilty of less-than-stellar actions...STS actions. We get by because we're more than 51%.

So it's not STO or STS that determines polarity; it's the percentage overall that determines polarity.

[βαθμιαίος]

Hi Monica, and thanks for jumping in.

Ra did say that they have become light; they said it earlier in the quote that you cited. I think about this way: Ra said positive fourth-density entities will approach 98% service to others. My guess is that by late sixth density Ra has become 100% service to others and hence, have become light. They seek without polarity because there is no more polarity outside of themselves to gain; instead that which they seek is within.

I think the best definition of polarization is the one that emerges from this Q & A between Don and Ra:

19.17 Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to change paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path changing being more difficult the farther along the path the change is made. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.

19.18 Questioner: I believe we have a very important point here. It then seems that there is an extreme potential in this polarization the same as there is in electricity. We have a positive and negative pole. The more you build the charge on either of these, the more the potential difference and the greater the ability to do work, as we call it in the physical.

This would seem to me to be the same analogy that we have in consciousness. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct.

In other words, polarization is building a charge in consciousness and with it the ability to do work. Polarity, then, simply means positive (STO) or negative (STS); the percentages you cite are measures of polarity rather than polarity itself.

Positive polarization does encompass green-ray work, but it can also encompass blue- and indigo-ray work. In Ra's framework, wisdom (blue ray) is not pursued for its own ends; rather it is used in service to others or in service to self. Similarly, indigo-ray work is either STO or STS. Ra said that the hallmark of indigo-ray work is that it is balanced and radiant -- that's why I emphasized balance in the quote of mine you included in your post.

[Monica]

Ra did say that they have become light; they said it earlier in the quote that you cited.

True. Why do you think Ra then qualified it with a more precise term, love/light and light/love?

I think about this way: Ra said positive fourth-density entities will approach 98% service to others.

Ra also said that the extreme compassion of 4D must be balanced with the wisdom of 5D.

My guess is that by late sixth density Ra has become 100% service to others and hence, have become light.

Then do you think 5D is all about getting that last 2%?

That doesn't quite make sense to me. How can adding 2% to 98% be considered balancing?

They seek without polarity because there is no more polarity outside of themselves to gain; instead that which they seek is within.

Do we even have any reason to think that a numerical value of polarity is relevant for 6D? Has Ra ever indicated as such?

In the quote you cited:

It then seems that there is an extreme potential in this polarization the same as there is in electricity. We have a positive and negative pole.

...I agree that is a definition of polarity. But Ra is referring to those who are either STO or STS, and defines the difference as well as the mechanism by which an entity can switch polarities.

Has Ra ever given any indication that this applies to them?

polarization is building a charge in consciousness and with it the ability to do work.

What is a charge, without its opposite? In electricity, negative and positive charges react to form the power.

When I first read the Law of One 25 years ago, one of the most striking revelations for me was that, eventually, 'good' and 'evil' would be merged, harmonized. It gave me great comfort to realize that we wouldn't always be fighting a battle against the 'dark forces.'

The way I understood it then, and understand it now, is that, sometime in 6D, the negative and positive paths converge and merge, as the 2 opposing tribes did in the movie The Dark Crystal (which I saw right after reading the Law of One and, though boring, was exceedingly profound).

I see the 2 paths like the yin and yang, which spin one into the other.

I see Ra, dwelling in 6D beyond polarity, as the Tao, symbolized as the yin and yang spinning, one flowing into the other, but no longer distinct; ie. Oneness.

In the Tao, there is no negative or positive. From the perspective of the Tao, there is no yin or yang. There is only One.

This is how I view those who have harmonized love/light and light/love and become One.

Ra clearly serves others, and admits to a bias towards STO. This we know. That is their service.

So the question then becomes: Is Ra seeking without polarity because they are already 100% and can progress no further?

Or is Ra seeking without polarity because polarity is no longer relevant, just as the yin is no longer relevant to the Tao?

As long as Ra is continuing to seek and to balance, I don't see how we can assume they are 100% anything.

Polarity, then, simply means positive (STO) or negative (STS);

Positive or negative what?

No entity, at least in 3D, is 100% positive or negative.

If it was an absolute, then entities wouldn't be able to lose polarity.

If an STO entity is 95% STO, but loses 30% polarity, that entity is still STO, overall, by being 65% STO.

But if a 65% STO entity loses 30% polarity, is the entity still STO?

No, because the overall charge has dropped below the threshold of what defines STO polarity.

To say that an entity is either STO or STS, does not define what that is.

the percentages you cite are measures of polarity rather than polarity itself.

If, as you say, the percentages do not define whether the entity is STS or STO, then what does?

It seems to me, that by attributing polarity to Ra, that is implying that there is still an opposing force, or charge, opposing 6D entities.

My understanding is that all had been reconciled and harmonized, regarding polarities, by that point.

This was one of the key understanding I got when I first read the Law of One, so I am hoping to understand how you view this.

[βαθμιαίος]

Ra says that the negative path is the path of that which is not and that in sixth density the negative polarity is abandoned. I infer from this that the positive path is the path of that which is and that the positive polarity is not abandoned in sixth density, meaning that even though Ra seeks without polarity they themselves are still positively-polarized.

Regarding your discussion of measurements, percentages, entities, and polarity: the percentages define where on the scale of STO/STS the entity is, just like entities come out somewhere on all the other scales that can be made from the pairs of opposites: tall/short, fat/skinny, rich/poor, etc.

[Monica]

Ra says that the negative path is the path of that which is not and that in sixth density the negative polarity is abandoned. I infer from this that the positive path is the path of that which is and that the positive polarity is not abandoned in sixth density, meaning that even though Ra seeks without polarity they themselves are still positively-polarized.

Regarding your discussion of measurements, percentages, entities, and polarity: the percentages define where on the scale of STO/STS the entity is, just like entities come out somewhere on all the other scales that can be made from the pairs of opposites: tall/short, fat/skinny, rich/poor, etc.

I understand your point. I see it differently. I see 6D+ as totality, or at least nearing totality and the reconciliation of paradox. What is paradox if not the illusion of separation? To be labeled as still of one polarity, is to still dwell in separation, because there must be an opposite existing somewhere.

Ra always speaks in terms of reconciling opposites: teach/learn, etc. and in the very first contact, stated that they were about the reconciliation of paradox.

Ra stated that Jesus approached 100% STO, and this was illustrated by him having nearly zero love for self and nearly total love for others, resulting in sacrificing himself for the sake of others. I don't see Ra like that at all.

I see Ra as having balance of self-love and love of other-selves, together with wisdom.

Because the STS entities have merged into Oneness with others, the whole purpose of having 2 polarities becomes moot.

What is the purpose of the 2 paths? How do STS entities serve? By providing catalyst. That is their task. Why is catalyst needed? Because 3D entities must make the Choice, and then balance that Choice in the next 2 densities.

For these purposes, STS entities play a very important role. They are still serving the Creator, by seemingly serving only themselves. But, since we are all ONE, this would indicate that they ARE serving us as well. How can they not? If they serve themselves and the Creator, then they serve us, even though it might appear that they are opposing us.

By 6D, the lessons for evolving are different. Polarity no longer comes into play. There is no longer any need for such illusions of separation.

Even though the Veil doesn't exist in, say, 5D, if the STS entities still think they are separate, then that would indicate that they still have some sort of veil of illusion, else they would realize they aren't separate, which they eventually do realize, by 6D at the latest.

Ra did not share with us all the mechanisms of the STS path - only that which was directly asked. It seems to me that, if they still think they're separate, even as late as early 6D, then there is some sort of illusion still going on for them.

I don't see how Ra could seek without polarity and yet still be polarized. If they seek, and they are polarized, then how can that be separated?

Polarization is an attribute.

Let's try substituting another attribute, just to see how it works:

Suppose I said I have compassion. That is part of who and what I am. I cannot separate myself from it. I cannot help but act with compassion.

Now, I say that I am also seeking. How do I seek? By enjoying opportunities to serve.

Is it possible for me to serve without compassion?

Is it possible for me to seek without compassion?

How, then, could Ra serve or seek without polarity?

If you just substitute compassion for polarity, it sheds some light on it.

I am NOT saying compassion = polarity. As stated in my previous post, compassion is a by-product of polarity. I am just substituting the terms, to illustrate my point, which is I don't see how Ra could seek without polarity, if they were polarized.

I see Ra as serving the Creator, and both self as well as other-self. There is no longer any distinction for them. Polarity is a concept that is relevant only to us, and for the STS entities who still think they're separated, who do not yet fully realize that Oneness.

I keep going back to the symbol of the The Tao, because it illustrates the concept so well. The superficial interpretation of The Tao is that the yin and yang are separate. But that is looking at it from the viewpoint of separation. The Tao is actually spinning. There is no yin or yang from the perspective of The Tao.

[Monica]

So the question then becomes: Is Ra seeking without polarity because they are already 100% and can progress no further?

To add to my above question:

If polarity = service

and Ra is already 100% polarized

and Ra is seeking

...then does that mean Ra cannot evolve or increase their service?

...What, then, is Ra seeking?

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To clarify my above statement:

I see Ra, dwelling in 6D beyond polarity, as the Tao, symbolized as the yin and yang spinning, one flowing into the other, but no longer distinct; ie. Oneness.

I see The Tao as Infinity, that which cannot be named, defined, that without distortion.

The Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao.

In the above statement, I didn't mean to imply that Ra is the Tao. I was drawing an analogy, to illustrate the concepts of separation and Oneness, as applies to a 6D SMC who seeks without polarity. Ra has identity and therefore is not the Tao.

[Turtle]

...What, then, is Ra seeking?

The Law of Foreverness is what they are seeking, which is 7th density.

[Monica]

The Law of Foreverness is what they are seeking, which is 7th density.

Thanks, Turtle.

3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?
Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

How can something that is already 100% 'go onward'?

What is beyond 100%?

And if the reply is that only their polarity is 100%, but some other attribute is that which is 'going onward,' then what is that attribute?

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I would suggest, if I may, that each Wanderer might be here for a different reason. This may include various services through polarization that are required for balance. It may also include the seeking of Oneness if balance is already achieved. One lifetime may well include both depending upon the progress attained by the entity. There is ever the possibility of further distortion in an individual due to the nature of 3rd density, and this is a known risk. Further polarization may be required to balance this. Only the individual will know what type of service they have incarnated to perform, so it may be helpful for each Wanderer to accept that they may be here for different specific reasons. Whatever these reasons are, they are surely providing a service to the One Infinite Creator. There is no other possibility.

Well said, Joseph!

Ra listed the possible reasons a Wanderer may incarnate. My interpretation was that any Wanderer might have one or more of those reasons, not necessarily all the reasons, in the same order of priority. Neither did Ra indicate that the list was comprehensive. There could be other reasons as well.

My impression from Ra was that the majority of Wanderers are indeed here for the specific purpose of lightening the vibration on the planet, in preparation for the Harvest. But how they accomplish that might vary wildly.

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Ra is still seeking to serve others. For instance, "The unique characteristic of the workings which the social memory complex Ra and your group have begun is the intent to serve others with the highest attempt at near purity which we as comrades may achieve."

Wow, there it is, right there!

From this we can logically extrapolate:

Ra seeks without polarity
Ra seeks to serve others with the goal of near-purity
This is a goal not yet reached

What is the definition of STO? If, as has been suggested, STO refers to their service, then they cannot be both 100% STO and yet still striving to reach a goal of 100%.

If Ra was already 100% STO, and STO and purity were the same thing, then wouldn't they already be 100% purity?

Yet, Ra has not yet reached that goal.

Thus, Ra cannot yet be 100% pure in service.

This says to me that polarity is not the same as the purity of service.

It also says, to me, that their goal is not to become 100% STO, since they clearly said they seek without polarity.

Thus, the way I see it, purity of service is important to them, but polarity isn't.

Why would polarity no longer be important to their seeking?

[@ndy]

Hummmm, this is going to be subjective - as it's from me.

I personally on my path have felt I need to balance my opposite - my black and my white as it were.
This has been a feature of things I've written since I was 16 years old. In my dreams - in the darkness, I only meet myself. That bit I bring back to me with acceptance and love.
I'm tired of battle – I want peace and oneness. I'm tired of the pull to and fro, acceptance and balance personally seems to be a path to peace for me.

That said, I'd never manipulate people.
Balance seems to be more about law of free will, Wisdom is knowing when and were service is needed and when I should keep my trap shut and stand back. This is all an illusion, and as much as you may want to help, your help may just add distortion to that persons lessons.

I agree with the purity, I asked my higerself my path and to help make me pure. I work in poems and dreams. What I’ve been presented with is cleansing threw integration of polarity and wisdom in regard to service.

[βαθμιαίος]

Even though the Veil doesn't exist in, say, 5D, if the STS entities still think they are separate, then that would indicate that they still have some sort of veil of illusion, else they would realize they aren't separate, which they eventually do realize, by 6D at the latest.

I don't think so. Don asked Ra about this. He was thinking that since the fifth-density negative friend had sat in on so many sessions it must know by now that its path was a dead end. Ra assured Don that that was not the case; that it was quite aware and quite convinced that green ray was folly.

I don't see how Ra could seek without polarity and yet still be polarized. If they seek, and they are polarized, then how can that be separated?

As Turtle said, they seek the law of foreverness, and as you said they seek the balances between compassion and wisdom. Ra also said that they seek the One Creator.

We know that they engage in polarized service from the very fact of the Ra contact itself. Also, now that I think about it, the compassion and wisdom they are balancing are themselves polarized in that their compassion is a positive, STO compassion and their wisdom, likewise, is wisdom in service to others.

[Monica]

Even though the Veil doesn't exist in, say, 5D, if the STS entities still think they are separate, then that would indicate that they still have some sort of veil of illusion, else they would realize they aren't separate, which they eventually do realize, by 6D at the latest.

I don't think so. Don asked Ra about this. He was thinking that since the fifth-density negative friend had sat in on so many sessions it must know by now that its path was a dead end. Ra assured Don that that was not the case; that it was quite aware and quite convinced that green ray was folly.

Ra also stated that they leave behind the STS path at some point, early 6D latest, because they realize they cannot go any farther on that path.

This seems to imply that, prior to having the realization, they think they can continue on indefinitely, on the STS path. Else how could they think green ray is folly?

They are mistaken, and finally realize their mistake. What is a mistake, but an incomplete or inaccurate understanding? How could that happen, with full illumination?

My suggestion is that, they aren't fully understanding...due to some bias or for whatever reason...not necessarily a veil, but something that keeps them (literally) in the dark.

I don't see how Ra could seek without polarity and yet still be polarized. If they seek, and they are polarized, then how can that be separated?

As Turtle said, they seek the law of foreverness, and as you said they seek the balances between compassion and wisdom. Ra also said that they seek the One Creator.

We know that they engage in polarized service from the very fact of the Ra contact itself. Also, now that I think about it, the compassion and wisdom they are balancing are themselves polarized in that their compassion is a positive, STO compassion and their wisdom, likewise, is wisdom in service to others.

We know that they engage in service. Do we know that it is polarized? This entire discussion really boils down to the definition of polarization and whether it is the same as service.

We are all in agreement that Ra serves others. What is being discussed is whether service can happen without polarity.

Ra stated they seek without polarity. I think it is reasonable to infer from that, that they also serve without polarity. That might be a wrong assumption, but it is a reasonable one.

Has Ra ever indicated that wisdom is classified as STO? Has the attribute of polarity ever been attributed to wisdom? I don't remember, so if anyone has any quotes...

I would be interested, if you or anyone else wants to tackle the many questions I raised in my last few posts.

[βαθμιαίος]

This seems to imply that, prior to having the realization, they think they can continue on indefinitely, on the STS path. Else how could they think green ray is folly?

Not necessarily. We're talking about fifth-density negatives, right? Their goal is to graduate to sixth density. They are quite able to do that on the negative path, so why should they bother to change?

We know that they engage in service. Do we know that it is polarized?

Yes, if you accept that a service-to-others working is positively polarized. Ra said that their participation in the Ra contact had the characteristic of "the intent to serve others."

Has Ra ever indicated that wisdom is classified as STO? Has the attribute of polarity ever been attributed to wisdom? I don't remember, so if anyone has any quotes...

There are many quotes about the negative uses of wisdom in fifth density, and there are also quotes about positive blue-ray work. This quote, though, is the most on-point one I could find quickly:

101.2 Questioner: Thank you. What has caused the swelling in Jim’s body, and what can be done to heal it?

Ra: I am Ra. For the answer to this query we must begin with the consideration of the serpent, signifying wisdom. This symbol has the value of the ease of viewing the two faces of the one who is wise. Positive wisdom adorns the brow indicating indigo-ray work. Negative wisdom, by which we intend to signify expressions which effectually separate the self from the other-self, may be symbolized by poison of the fangs. To use that which a mind/body/spirit complex has gained of wisdom for the uses of separation is to invite the fatal bite of that wisdom’s darker side.

The entity has a mental/emotional tendency, which has been lessening in distortion for some of your space/time, towards negative wisdom....

Also, wisdom corresponds to fifth density, which is a polarized density, in that the two paths are separate at that point.

As for your other questions, I have tried to focus on the ones which 1) I can answer (other than just to say "I don't know!") and which seem to be most central to this thread. But if there are ones that you particularly want to bring into the discussion, please don't hesitate to raise them again and I will try my best or, preferably, some other and wiser voice will answer them.

[peelstreetguy]

I think I'll dive in now and add my two cents. I like to keep things simple when I can, and I thought this was simple, untill I read these posts which just confused me for a bit, untill I came back to what I thought in the first place. Which is:

-Ra seeks without polarity. If the dark path comes to an end at mid 6th density and if Ra exists in high 6th density, then there is no polarity anymore, so Ra seeks without polarity.

You have the path of light and the dark path. The dark path ends (at mid 6th) but the path of light continues onward.
The path of light is STO. So even though the dark path no longer exists where Ra is at, Ra is none the less still STO. At that level there is only STO, Thus, no polarity!

The path of light still exists, but there is no dark path to contrast it. At that point the new mystery begins because all is one and one is all.

[Monica]

Not necessarily. We're talking about fifth-density negatives, right? Their goal is to graduate to sixth density. They are quite able to do that on the negative path, so why should they bother to change?

My point was that, at some point, whether in 5D or 6D, they realize that they have gone as far as they can go on the negative path. Which, to me, implies that they have some sort of illusion or delusion that it's a valid path indefinitely, and then at some point they see the light.

We know that they engage in service. Do we know that it is polarized?

Yes, if you accept that a service-to-others working is positively polarized. Ra said that their participation in the Ra contact had the characteristic of "the intent to serve others."

That is precisely what we're trying to figure out.

We already know that Ra serves others.

What isn't so clear is whether they are polarized.

It is a presupposition that service = polarity.

I am trying to get at the heart of that presupposition.

There are many quotes about the negative uses of wisdom in fifth density, and there are also quotes about positive blue-ray work.

...Also, wisdom corresponds to fifth density, which is a polarized density, in that the two paths are separate at that point.

Exactly. So we know that wisdom is polarized. Or, to be more precise, wisdom is an attribute which may exist in either a negatively polarized or a positively polarized entity, and may thus manifest differently, depending on the polarity.

Thus, polarity has to do with more than just love/compassion/service.

As for your other questions, I have tried to focus on the ones which 1) I can answer (other than just to say "I don't know!") and which seem to be most central to this thread. But if there are ones that you particularly want to bring into the discussion, please don't hesitate to raise them again and I will try my best or, preferably, some other and wiser voice will answer them.

I'm not necessarily expecting answers to all those questions. I certainly don't know the answers either! But I posed those questions as food for thought. In my view, those questions illustrate why service must be something separate from polarity.

[Etude in B Minor]

I don't think that Service=polarity.
"Service" can be "to others" or it can be "to self" (or it can be to "the creator"). Service can be done with compassion (4D) or with wisdom (5D) or with both (6D).

[βαθμιαίος]

The path of light still exists, but there is no dark path to contrast it. At that point the new mystery begins because all is one and one is all.

Works for me!

It is a presupposition that service = polarity.

I am trying to get at the heart of that presupposition.

In the Ra contact, the two polarities are defined as service to others and service to self. Do you disagree with that?

Thus, polarity has to do with more than just love/compassion/service.

It has to do with more than just love and compassion, but I maintain that positive blue- and indigo-ray work are about service to others, too.

"Service" can be "to others" or it can be "to self" (or it can be to "the creator"). Service can be done with compassion (4D) or with wisdom (5D) or with both (6D).

Right. The point is that those are all polarized methods of service.

[Monica]

I don't think that Service=polarity.
"Service" can be "to others" or it can be "to self" (or it can be to "the creator"). Service can be done with compassion (4D) or with wisdom (5D) or with both (6D).

Wow, Etude, you summed it up so succinctly! Very simple, actually.

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It is a presupposition that service = polarity.

I am trying to get at the heart of that presupposition.

In the Ra contact, the two polarities are defined as service to others and service to self. Do you disagree with that?

No. I don't disagree.

It has to do with more than just love and compassion, but I maintain that positive blue- and indigo-ray work are about service to others, too.

I'm not disputing that. Service to the Creator includes service to others, since we are all One.

"Service" can be "to others" or it can be "to self" (or it can be to "the creator"). Service can be done with compassion (4D) or with wisdom (5D) or with both (6D).

Right. The point is that those are all polarized methods of service.

This is the point that we are discussing, and so far I haven't seen anything that backs up the assertion that they are all polarized in 6D. Respectfully.

[βαθμιαίος]

This is the point that we are discussing, and so far I haven't seen anything that backs up the assertion that they are all polarized in 6D. Respectfully.

It seems so simple. Ra said that they participated in the Ra contact in order to be of service to others. Service to others is a polarity. Ergo Ra is engaged in polarized service.

What am I missing?

[Monica]

It seems so simple. Ra said that they participated in the Ra contact in order to be of service to others. Service to others is a polarity. Ergo Ra is engaged in polarized service.

What am I missing?

Well, respectfully, to answer your question, what I think you're missing is that you keep repeating the same statement:

Service to others is a polarity.

Which is a presupposition, implying that:

Service to others = polarity

Meaning, it seems as though fact to you, but not necessarily to others.

But, as outlined in my previous post a few posts back, STO as the description of a polarity is not necessarily the same as the description of service, which is included as an attribute of that polarity.

This point, as I see it and tried to convey a few points back, was missed, methinks, because of a presupposition that they are the same, because the terms sound the same.

To offer an analogy:

If a person believes that the Bible is the infallible, undisputed 'word of God' then that is a presupposition. He doesn't allow for any possibility that something in the book might not be true, because he believes 'God' wrote it, and is thus starting from the point that it's indisputably true. Thus, if someone questions his presupposition, he can only repeat, "God said it. It's in the Bible. Therefore it's true." If the other person says, "I am questioning whether God wrote the Bible in the first place" the person with the presupposition isn't able to get into that discussion, because the idea that the Bible isn't the infallible word of God isn't part of his paradigm.

Likewise, there seems to be a similar presupposition here, that:

Service to others = polarity

So the very questioning of the presupposition seems to be getting missed.

In my post a few posts back, I delineated why I see them as different. But that seems to have gotten missed.

[βαθμιαίος]

So are you saying that service to others is not necessarily polarized service?

[Monica]

So are you saying that service to others is not necessarily polarized service?

Yes. I'm saying, as did Etude, that service is distinct from polarity.

We all serve the Creator. It's impossible not to.

Polarity defines the flavor and direction of the service.

[βαθμιαίος]

And do you feel that Ra's service in offering the Ra contact did not contain a positive flavor? To get back to the idea of polarization as building a charge in consciousness, do you feel that Ra's service in the contact was not highly charged?

[Monica]

And do you feel that Ra's service in offering the Ra contact did not contain a positive flavor? To get back to the idea of polarization as building a charge in consciousness, do you feel that Ra's service in the contact was not highly charged?

Since, after early 6D, there is no longer an opposing STS charge, and, since Ra has become light itself, balanced in love/light and light/love, positive and negative no longer have any relevance.

Our interpretation of Ra's service is of course positive. But to Ra, service simply is, though they do have a bias to serve those pursuing the STO path. But this says more about those Ra is serving, than about Ra.

Q'uo has stated "The STS path is a bloody path...we are not of that path. We are of the radiant path."

Ra/Q'uo reached their present densities via the STO path. Hence, the bias to serve those still pursuing the STO path. But we actually don't know all the ways in which Ra serves. I doubt that offering the info thru Carla is the only thing they've been doing all these millions of years! I surmise they've been serving the Creator in ways we cannot even imagine.