Selfishness of STO

[Seeker of the One]

Hello, fellow members of the forum.



I was thinking recently about STO polarization and came up with random thoughts regarding that one which I want to share with you and hopefully hear your opinions on them to gain more knowledge about this topic.

Let's suppose you are the one who progressed through 1st and 2nd densities over time and now you're in 3d (it might be or might be not your first incarnation), and you somehow became aware about Law of One. You have two paths to progress through: STO and STS.
STO path may appear on the first glance as unselfish and even self-sacrificing. You acknowledge Oneness of everything and decide to live a life consciously taking actions to polarize towards STO by helping and giving to others. Is it really unselfish and self-sacrificing as it looks like? Are you helping and giving to others just because you know it will help YOU to positively polarize and graduate into higher density as a result? It seems to me that you are following STS path instead of that, because you might be giving to others out of fear of not graduating or thinking you won't polarize enough to graduate.

Since it was stated by Ra that you need at least 51% to polarize positively too graduate and at least 95% to polarize negatively to graduate, are you taking a selfish shortcut to have better odds of easier polarization therefore acquiring easier graduation?

On contrary, I think that true STO would mean that you are helping and giving to others just because you want to help them expecting nothing in return (even not expecting to positively polarize or graduate as a result of your actions). You just consciously self-sacrifice yourself for the sake of others, not expecting to graduate or not graduate just live the life helping others for the sake of helping. You shouldn't even need to be aware of LOO or polarization to follow true path and in fact I think this is how positive polarization is truly meant to work. Will you choose to sacrifice yourself in blind faith of believing you're doing it right by doing what you do for the sake of compassion and love (not for the sake of knowing about LOO, polarization, harvest etc)? Or are you just choosing the lesser of both evils (I will help others to help myself because I fear I will not polarize enough to graduate, thinking you are following true STO while you do not)?

Please think if you are following true STO path or just blindly following the path of helping yourself first by helping others and expecting that the God will give you bonus points for that later.

[Minyatur]

I guess the one faking it can experience transformation over time and become more and more sincere in it's acts.

[Night Owl]

Hi seeker of the one. I think that it's not because someone believe they are STO that they actually are. There are lots of exemples to be found in life. But in the same time it's important to realize that at some point polarity becomes an illusion. That means you should not use it as a label to define yourself but as a guideline of faith for your actions. Polarity is in the intention, not the result. That's why I think someone STO should not have too much expectation of results, they will come at the proper moment.

Both paths need and complete each other. One absorb and one radiate (ying yang). There is some degree of self servitude in serving others just as there is some degree of service to others by serving yourself. They can't just be split and that's it. And denying one part of it will only increase the wheel of karma. The STO path is about acceptance and so the work lies in accepting both sides as being part of yourself BUT making conscious choices toward the intended polarity as much as possible(or as much as perceived by the individual). It takes a considerable amount of work and balance to figure it out on each situation. That's why I don't think it's very useful or valuable to focus on harvestability and stuff like that. First it's not gonna speed up the process, quite the contrary. And secondly, if you're just polarizing to escape the experience, you're probably just fooling yourself into believing your cumulating polarity. When you gain polarity you actually begin to change. If someone just stick to his ways of being and hope for a gain of polarity, that person will wait eternally. This experience changes us, not the other way around.

Hope that helps your thought process.

[Cyclops]

Hello, fellow members of the forum.



I was thinking recently about STO polarization and came up with random thoughts regarding that one which I want to share with you and hopefully hear your opinions on them to gain more knowledge about this topic.

Let's suppose you are the one who progressed through 1st and 2nd densities over time and now you're in 3d (it might be or might be not your first incarnation), and you somehow became aware about Law of One. You have two paths to progress through: STO and STS.
STO path may appear on the first glance as unselfish and even self-sacrificing. You acknowledge Oneness of everything and decide to live a life consciously taking actions to polarize towards STO by helping and giving to others. Is it really unselfish and self-sacrificing as it looks like? Are you helping and giving to others just because you know it will help YOU to positively polarize and graduate into higher density as a result? It seems to me that you are following STS path instead of that, because you might be giving to others out of fear of not graduating or thinking you won't polarize enough to graduate.

Since it was stated by Ra that you need at least 51% to polarize positively too graduate and at least 95% to polarize negatively to graduate, are you taking a selfish shortcut to have better odds of easier polarization therefore acquiring easier graduation?

On contrary, I think that true STO would mean that you are helping and giving to others just because you want to help them expecting nothing in return (even not expecting to positively polarize or graduate as a result of your actions). You just consciously self-sacrifice yourself for the sake of others, not expecting to graduate or not graduate just live the life helping others for the sake of helping. You shouldn't even need to be aware of LOO or polarization to follow true path and in fact I think this is how positive polarization is truly meant to work. Will you choose to sacrifice yourself in blind faith of believing you're doing it right by doing what you do for the sake of compassion and love (not for the sake of knowing about LOO, polarization, harvest etc)? Or are you just choosing the lesser of both evils (I will help others to help myself because I fear I will not polarize enough to graduate, thinking you are following true STO while you do not)?

Please think if you are following true STO path or just blindly following the path of helping yourself first by helping others and expecting that the God will give you bonus points for that later.

You describe degrees of sincerity and intent when it comes to service, many of us on this forum at some point or another have had these thoughts already. Its not that easy though to just as you say blindly serve based on complete unconditional love, reasoned out by you and only you with no other crutches like the Law of One books or fear of not polarizing.

It is a theme of the confederation that wrestling with concepts like this aka balancing and acceptance of qualities/flaws are one of the paths to true STO.

Even a service that is not completely pure takes an effort, it's reach and echos unknown, what futures might it influence? It's a constant struggle i'm 100% sure everyone on this forum, even you experience on some level or another. These struggles and their discoveries and choosing to accept the flaws, our own fakery.. to balance is what opens you up to real polarization as it is described in the material.

Then maybe, paradoxically we might actually approach a purer service to others.

[Plenum]

Hello, fellow members of the forum.

greetings!

I was thinking recently about STO polarization and came up with random thoughts regarding that one which I want to share with you and hopefully hear your opinions on them to gain more knowledge about this topic.

certainly.  Would love to offer a mirror to your thoughts

Let's suppose you are the one who progressed through 1st and 2nd densities over time and now you're in 3d (it might be or might be not your first incarnation), and you somehow became aware about Law of One. You have two paths to progress through: STO and STS.

that's a good premise.  But it would have to be understood how delicate the environmental and social factors are for such a 'new' individual.

Peer pressure becomes a greater force in those cases (much like a child being imprinted and impressed with their parents habits), rather than with an 'older soul', whose biases are much more deeply ingrained.

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STO path may appear on the first glance as unselfish and even self-sacrificing. You acknowledge Oneness of everything and decide to live a life consciously taking actions to polarize towards STO by helping and giving to others. Is it really unselfish and self-sacrificing as it looks like? Are you helping and giving to others just because you know it will help YOU to positively polarize and graduate into higher density as a result? It seems to me that you are following STS path instead of that, because you might be giving to others out of fear of not graduating or thinking you won't polarize enough to graduate.

I think, conceptually, it's been easier for me to approach things with a different 'labelling'.

Firstly, there are indeed 2 distinct paths by which the Creator may know themselves ever more deeply.

Path of Acceptance
Path of Control

The first includes the STO polarity, which requires 51% to graduate from 3d, and then the graduation from 4d is not based on STO polarity at all.  It then becomes a more nuanced understanding of the dance of Creation.  

The Path of Control includes STS as a means of isolating oneself from other-selves.

So in the example you gave, rather than trying to evaluate the 'motives', 'intent', or 'outcomes' of certain behaviour, it's much easier to go straight to the heart of Acceptance/Control.  That will reflect the internal movement of energy/consciousness, much more so than any external self-justifications.  Much charity work, for eg, could be done out of a sense of superiority, and re-inforcing the disparity between two strata.

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Since it was stated by Ra that you need at least 51% to polarize positively too graduate and at least 95% to polarize negatively to graduate, are you taking a selfish shortcut to have better odds of easier polarization therefore acquiring easier graduation?

No - the two paths are equal in terms of 'difficulty' and deliberate application of Will, to know the Creator in a certain way.  The percentages are misleading.

One could quite easily come back and say than 'control' is easier than acceptance; and hence it's easier to build up negative polarity for graduation.

The fact is, for 51% STO, one has to have moved the kundalini point at least into the mid-point region of the heart chakra.  That kind of 'acceptance' means being able to recognise at least 51% of your reality is universally loved by that individual.  Do you know how much distortion, cruelty, domination, disregard goes on on this planet?  To be able to love/accept/acknowledge 51% of that in a positive fashion is no small feat.

On the other hand, 95% STS just means becoming more and more selfish, and not giving a crap about others, and the consequences of one's behaviour on the feelings/emotions of other-selves.  It takes a tremedendous drive and will to become so self-interested, and to be able to shape one's reality and physical/social circumstances, where 95% of what takes place, is a result of others conforming to your wishes/whims/pleasure.  You can imagine that luxurious wealth/political power is the easiest means to that.  Much easier than raising an army/kingdom in today's social climate.

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On contrary, I think that true STO would mean that you are helping and giving to others just because you want to help them expecting nothing in return (even not expecting to positively polarize or graduate as a result of your actions). You just consciously self-sacrifice yourself for the sake of others, not expecting to graduate or not graduate just live the life helping others for the sake of helping. You shouldn't even need to be aware of LOO or polarization to follow true path and in fact I think this is how positive polarization is truly meant to work. Will you choose to sacrifice yourself in blind faith of believing you're doing it right by doing what you do for the sake of compassion and love (not for the sake of knowing about LOO, polarization, harvest etc)? Or are you just choosing the lesser of both evils (I will help others to help myself because I fear I will not polarize enough to graduate, thinking you are following true STO while you do not)?

Again - we are talking philosophical profundities here.

For the situation that you cited at the beginning (new entities), these issues may not be so clear.  As I said, peer-pressure, for such folks, will be the more over-riding drive in terms of setting a 'trajectory' for polarization.

These individuals also would not have chosen earth as a base in the last century.  The necessities of the principle of seniority of experience (those who incarnate at harvest are the ones who can most benefit from being in Harvest times) means that the collective influence of Wanderers has been to support conditions of sharp, delineated opportunities to make a definitive choice.

Please think if you are following true STO path or just blindly following the path of helping yourself first by helping others and expecting that the God will give you bonus points for that later.

That's probably more a religious way of motivating the people.  To use fear as a drive for conformative behaviour.

[Minyatur]

I tend to think the STO path in 3D is not so much about serving others but instead to have a desire to co-exist in a shared reality as a group, hence it requires a minimum of a tad more selflessness than selfishness to harvest unto this desired path, otherwise there is more of you that desires to shape your reality through your own will than co-exist. The harshness of such harvest is that while you are both self and other-selves, the self acts from the vantange point of itself and is hard to not consider over others. To you, your pain will always be more real than others' pain, even if you disregard yourself in regard to others, this would remain true. The serving of others comes as a natural effect of a open heart, once you find light and peace, you will seek to bring to bring this light and peace to those who call for it because you recognize yourself in them and will perceive their call as your own, a call for that which you have already found.

The STS path is one where you will desire to shape your reality as per your will and this requires separation from most of your reality in a closed heart. The harshness of this path is that it is with yourself that you ultimately create this separation with and this will need to be resolved in healing at some point. To create your desired reality requires dedication to this end and love for others could be seen as a weakness that will lead you to forsake your own will for those you love, which is why it needs to be given up to walk this path, otherwise you will just harmonize slowly with the other path. I also think STS is found upon being damaged within confusion and is not the truer desire of any soul, it requires strong circumstances over lifetimes for the One to go down this path of rejection and it always come back to the other path, because the other path is what is truer to yourself, to be in harmony with what you are.

Ultimately both paths are non-dual to the eyes that are able to see them as such, there is the path of Love that One walks, and a play of circumstances shape the One in everything it becomes. In this, every being's choice of walking the STS path is your own choice through their path of experiences, you couldn't have chosen otherwise as they are but the reflection of yourself, of what you could've had become if your every experience had been otherwise than the ones you've had. So any direction is growth in love and that cannot be faked.
I think it is a good exercise to see the integrality of the STS path within the STO one and the integrality of the STO path within the STS one.

[anagogy]

On contrary, I think that true STO would mean that you are helping and giving to others just because you want to help them expecting nothing in return (even not expecting to positively polarize or graduate as a result of your actions). You just consciously self-sacrifice yourself for the sake of others, not expecting to graduate or not graduate just live the life helping others for the sake of helping. You shouldn't even need to be aware of LOO or polarization to follow true path and in fact I think this is how positive polarization is truly meant to work.

I think you're predominantly correct right here. This is how positive polarity looks when it is more or less "pure". However, bear in mind, in 3rd density it is not going to be completely pure, so there will be distortions toward selfishness even on the STO path. It would be extremely difficult to continue to "pretend to be STO" (just to graduate or "get into heaven") and actually develop any degree of significant positivity. The lack of will powering such a futile pursuit would become apparent to all but the most slow witted observers. So they would either give up and return to their indifferent behavior, or they would develop some real empathy which would inevitably lead to positive service. Sometimes the initial religious threat of not making it into heaven, or ending up in hell, just starts people down the spiritual path (a fearful path, but a path nonetheless), which eventually leads to them finding real positively polarized motivations for continuing to pursue such a path of what we might be termed benevolence.

For example, some person might volunteer to help the sick to "score brownie points with god", and come to feel a real genuine sense of concern for the people they are working with. Their initial motivation, while not wholly positive in nature, lead to the path of polarity. So, while its tempting to scoff at religion and its crippled means of seeking oneness or the creator, I think they probably provide value in a lot of circumstances (though they cause a lot of problems too, but that's another discussion).

Anyway, I think the same applies to somebody who is doing good to try to graduate to fourth density. Same concept basically. The initial motivations might be somewhat negatively (selfishly) polarized, but helping others has a way of changing people. It tends to rapidly raise ones vibration out of the orange/yellow zone into green vibratory experiences.

[Patrick]

Couple quotes on the subject. 

...In this regard we would suggest that the skillful choice is always to work on the self without regard for working with other entities. Service to others, working upon what you perceive needs to be done in the world, begins and ends within yourself. Until the point at which you are asked specific questions that you may answer in what you hope is a spiritually helpful manner, the work you do on yourself is sufficient and more than adequate in terms of how you may affect the consciousness of planet Earth. Change yourself and you change the world. That is how powerful you really are...

80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the seeming polarization towards service to self because the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind?

Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

...The focus upon the self in the means of balancing distortions and looking for ways to understand more of what is occurring within the self is an activity that may seem to some to be full of pride and ego, yet we would suggest that such a concentration of an entity’s attention upon its own self in that manner is a means by which a seeker grows, for it needs to be aware of the activity of intellect, of emotion, and of the spirit that moves within one’s own being. Yet that information is used only to temper the steel, shall we say, the character of the entity, and not to impose this character upon another...

...Many times, it seems to each, that there is no way that one person can be of service, that one person’s light can make a difference. However, this instrument is fond of saying that in a dark place the light of one candle can be seen for quite a distance. Metaphysically, this is far more true even than the physical truth of candles and sight. Each of you makes a significant difference to the lightening of the planet as well as to the lightening of your soul. For when each of you does one, each of you is doing the other. To work on the self is to work on the world. Indeed, to work on the self is the most direct and effective way to work on the outer world in a metaphysical sense...

99.8 ...The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves...

[Infinite Unity]

Hello, fellow members of the forum.



I was thinking recently about STO polarization and came up with random thoughts regarding that one which I want to share with you and hopefully hear your opinions on them to gain more knowledge about this topic.

Let's suppose you are the one who progressed through 1st and 2nd densities over time and now you're in 3d (it might be or might be not your first incarnation), and you somehow became aware about Law of One. You have two paths to progress through: STO and STS.
STO path may appear on the first glance as unselfish and even self-sacrificing. You acknowledge Oneness of everything and decide to live a life consciously taking actions to polarize towards STO by helping and giving to others. Is it really unselfish and self-sacrificing as it looks like? Are you helping and giving to others just because you know it will help YOU to positively polarize and graduate into higher density as a result? It seems to me that you are following STS path instead of that, because you might be giving to others out of fear of not graduating or thinking you won't polarize enough to graduate.

Since it was stated by Ra that you need at least 51% to polarize positively too graduate and at least 95% to polarize negatively to graduate, are you taking a selfish shortcut to have better odds of easier polarization therefore acquiring easier graduation?

On contrary, I think that true STO would mean that you are helping and giving to others just because you want to help them expecting nothing in return (even not expecting to positively polarize or graduate as a result of your actions). You just consciously self-sacrifice yourself for the sake of others, not expecting to graduate or not graduate just live the life helping others for the sake of helping. You shouldn't even need to be aware of LOO or polarization to follow true path and in fact I think this is how positive polarization is truly meant to work. Will you choose to sacrifice yourself in blind faith of believing you're doing it right by doing what you do for the sake of compassion and love (not for the sake of knowing about LOO, polarization, harvest etc)? Or are you just choosing the lesser of both evils (I will help others to help myself because I fear I will not polarize enough to graduate, thinking you are following true STO while you do not)?

Please think if you are following true STO path or just blindly following the path of helping yourself first by helping others and expecting that the God will give you bonus points for that later.

If you wish to explore self love, that is not a problem. The fox like cunning your putting to these investigations is noble, how're the result found is from within your own bieing. Do you feel as of you walk the sto path but fin your heart not really in it? I am not asking in a demeaningway. I only give hint to observation.

[Diana]

I don't think this matter is a simple one. The concern about reaching a 51% polarization isn't necessarily selfish, though it is self-centered (which is not a "bad" thing). Wanting to "do good" and help others may be a first step in recognizing the importance of life beyond self and the beginnings of empathy, but I feel this is a first step only.

I think the underlying concept of STO is having no attachment to the service or outcomes, yet being compelled from within to offer it.

This is similar to Plenum's idea to come from the point of view of control vs. acceptance. But mere acceptance can only go so far. If a person comes upon a starving child on the street, this person may accept utterly that all is well, even suffering. Perhaps this person in accepting the idea that all is well, does not want to interfere or control the starving child's choice to suffer. So this person does nothing in order to allow the free will of another. But it must be added that the person is assuming the starving child chose it. No matter what anyone's beliefs are, they aren't facts in this world. The fact is: starving child; the assumption is: the child chose to suffer (what if the child chose to be saved by a passing stranger, or the child wanted to learn that it isn't alone, or any number of other possibilities). From this point of view of acceptance, the person may radiate love toward the starving child.

If the person helps the starving child because of the idea that "all is one," and by helping the child the person helps his- or herself because of everything being connected, to me that is still in the realm of self-centeredness. It is based on expecting an outcome.

But if this person comes upon a starving child and is compelled by the suffering to help, with no thought of any outcomes, just a heart reaching out to suffering and wanting to ease it with no thoughts of rewards or acknowledgment or even that the child survives and gets better—that to me constitutes a high service to others. It does not infringe upon free will, or have any desire to control, or include any thoughts of being rewarded even by feeling good about helping. It derives from an acceptance of what is—the person comes upon a starving child and does not spend any time judging why or how; the person attempts to help the starving child by offering water and food out of love—not because it would benefit the person, but because all thoughts are for the alleviation of the suffering; and the child's path still unfolds as it will—the person accepts this as there are no expectations, just the moment, the now, where there is suffering, two people, and the possibility of being of a service we know to be evident: starvation here in 3D. The person then moves on to whatever else lies in his or her path.

The thing is, you can intend to reach the stage of true detachment and act accordingly, but you are not quite there yet until you actually reach that stage of being. Because when you actually do reach it, there is nothing else—only the response to (suffering, or whatever else is calling). And it is in the moment of now, not about past or future or spiritual evolution.

In intending to reach that stage it is choice based on desire, which was based on becoming aware, which appears to be the natural progression of spiritual evolution in 3D.

42.7 Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for this in third density. Many entities here feel great compassion toward relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, bringing them food if there is hunger as there is in the African nations now, bringing them medicine if they believe they require administering to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.

This is creating a polarization or a vibration that is in harmony with green ray or fourth density. However, it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth density that these entities are experiencing catalyst and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth density than it would be to administer to their physical needs at this time. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this.

[Agua del Cielo]

Hello seeker of the one!

I would like to add my perspective.
I think there is a danger to view this subject too much on an intellectual and somewhat "superficial" level.
Because of that it might be fruitful to forget about the selfish/selfless part for a moment.

Bring_4th_plenum stated it in a brilliant way, in my opinion, viewing it in terms of acceptance vs. Control might shed more light on this.

I feel one should first be in a position where one can effectively be of real service to others.
By that i mean, its crucial to develop emotional maturity.
One needs to know oneself (deeply) and should be aware, where healing is needed.

Its all too easy to try to avoid my own wounded areas. If i am not (or not yet) willing to let ones my injured points surface, i have to control my feelings heavily (mostly unconscious).
Logically i also will have to control others in order to keep them from triggering my old wounds.

In this regard a lot if not most of my actions would, no matter how selfless or helping they might look on the outside would be ultimately means of control thus providing negative polarization.
The only way to prevent from doing so, is to be willing to face my emotions, no matter what they are.

Having been active in the therapeutic field for quite some time i realized that probably 90% of actions and behaviour of humans are means of avoiding the re-occurance of traumatic situations one has encountered in childhood or even earlier.
The compulsive drive to control is incredibly heavy and usually completely unconscious.
In case you ever resolved a traumatic childhood experience (for example) you probably know what i mean, the emotional energy of such incident are so incredibly high that one understands fully, why one avoid the reoccurance at ANY price.
Apart from that resolving such issues will not only bring much more freedom and purity in ones actions, italso brings deeperunderstanding for otherpeoples struggle. Ultimately we all have the same issues basically. The differences are just gradual. And many people can not yet allow mostof these issues to be looked at.
Withhealing and acceptance, there comes understanding. The need for defensiveness becomes less and less, theneed for control becomes less, compassion and understanding grows, and the wish to be helpful will become a natural behaviour and not something to be worked on.

I would like to add that questions like "is this really sto or do i have a hidden agenda" becomes more and more answered by knowing oneself deeper.

Apart from that, we are human beings. We have endured a lot of hardships, we have suffered a lot.
It is alright to be defensive, to control oneself and others, to be selfish.
Its just good to be orto become aware of it.
It will be completely understandable once we find the root of it.

We will find a being that suffers in a helpless situation and needs our compassion and not our judgement. We will find a being that needs help and not abandonement.
And with that we will quite naturally perceive this little being in other humans who struggle on their path.
By that a helpful service to others attitude and thus positive polarization will come all by itself, inmy opinion.

[Jeremy]

If you have to think about the service first, it's already lost its intent and power. Being STO is an unconscious act of thinking of others first, extending that helping hand without question, weighing your options of whether your decision would negatively affect an other self. Not whether it's an STS or STO act.