6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[βαθμιαίος]

What about highly charged? Does that have relevance? I don't know about you, but when I read the Ra material I feel an almost electric connection. Is that just me, or do other people feel it, too? To me, the material feels quite highly charged.

As I understand it, the reason positive and negative no longer have any relevance after mid-sixth density is that negative has been abandoned. Positive, that which is, continues, seeking the Creator, seeking balance, seeking the law of foreverness.

In its interaction with us it is, in my opinion, polarized; it is, as Q'uo said, radiant, which Ra gives as a synonym for service to others.

We know a little bit about what Ra's been doing. They've been helping to create the sun's light through sexual fusion; they've been pursuing balancing through ritual; they've never left our vibration since their earlier contact in Egypt, and, prior to the Ra contact, they searched through time for a group through whom they could share their thoughts.

[Monica]

What about highly charged? Does that have relevance? I don't know about you, but when I read the Ra material I feel an almost electric connection. Is that just me, or do other people feel it, too? To me, the material feels quite highly charged.

It feels charged to me too. But what you and I feel has no relevance to whether Ra is polarized or not, because that is a subjective feeling, flowing thru our own consciousness. That is our own perception - the effect Ra's service is having on us. If an STS entity read Ra's words, they might feel something different. And I can say with certainty that if a religious fundamentalist read Ra's words, they'd feel fear and think it was from satan! So I don't think our perceptions really tell us anything about Ra; they just tell us whether we resonate with Ra's service or not.

As I understand it, the reason positive and negative no longer have any relevance after mid-sixth density is that negative has been abandoned. Positive, that which is, continues, seeking the Creator, seeking balance, seeking the law of foreverness.

Let's explore that. Anyone got some quotes?

In its interaction with us it is, in my opinion, polarized; it is, as Q'uo said, radiant, which Ra gives as a synonym for service to others.

Key words here being, in its interaction with us. On that point I would certainly agree! I don't think that addresses how it relates to Ra's own polarity or lack thereof, though.

We know a little bit about what Ra's been doing. They've been helping to create the sun's light through sexual fusion; they've been pursuing balancing through ritual; they've never left our vibration since their earlier contact in Egypt, and, prior to the Ra contact, they searched through time for a group through whom they could share their thoughts.

Yes. I never look at the Sun the same way again, after reading what's going on up there! A love/light orgy!

[βαθμιαίος]

It feels charged to me too. But what you and I feel has no relevance to whether Ra is polarized or not, because that is a subjective feeling, flowing thru our own consciousness.

But what about this: Ra said that the best guide to gauging another's progress is what is sensed or intuited about the entity. I certainly sense that Ra is quite highly positive.

As I understand it, the reason positive and negative no longer have any relevance after mid-sixth density is that negative has been abandoned. Positive, that which is, continues, seeking the Creator, seeking balance, seeking the law of foreverness.

Let's explore that. Anyone got some quotes?

I will look for some tomorrow. Kind of wore out right now, knowwhaddimean?

If you don't mind, I'd like to go back to something you posted earlier. You wrote, several times, that it was a presupposition to say that service to others is a polarity. I guess I'm confused about what you mean. You agreed that service to others and service to self were the two polarities. Wouldn't that, by definition, make service to others a polarity?

[Monica]

But what about this: Ra said that the best guide to gauging another's progress is what is sensed or intuited about the entity.

I don't remember which quote you are referring to, but I doubt that Ra meant to use our intuition to decide technical attributes like polarity. I wouldn't want an other-self walking up to me and saying, "Hmmmm....I intuitively determine that you must stay in 3D." If we had the power or the right to do that, well, then a religious fundamentalist could tell me that I am satanic and going to hell for believing in reincarnation! (uh oh...that's already happened! Does that mean that person is right?)

I certainly sense that Ra is quite highly positive.

Hold on, I think there's been a misunderstanding/miscommunication.

I hope you're not suggesting that I'm suggesting that Ra is in some way negative...are you? Or that Ra's service doesn't have a positive effect on us?

I hope it's a given that Ra's service to us is positive. No question about it.

But that's not necessarily the same as whether Ra has polarity.

Ra serves.

That is a given.

Whether Ra has polarity, is what we are trying to ascertain.

I will look for some tomorrow. Kind of wore out right now, knowwhaddimean?

No! You must do it NOW!

JUST KIDDING!

I don't see how this quote can be reconciled with the idea that Ra has polarity. (Not to mention that Ra seeks without polarity.)

47.5 ...The positive/negative polarity is a thing which will, at the sixth level, simply become history.

If you don't mind, I'd like to go back to something you posted earlier. You wrote, several times, that it was a presupposition to say that service to others is a polarity. I guess I'm confused about what you mean. You agreed that service to others and service to self were the two polarities. Wouldn't that, by definition, make service to others a polarity?

Please see post #188 in which I addressed those terms:

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...0#pid21660

Thanks for the stimulating discussion! Have a good night!

[βαθμιαίος]

I don't remember which quote you are referring to, but I doubt that Ra meant to use our intuition to decide technical attributes like polarity.

Here's the quote I was referring to:

58.22 ...Contact with indigo ray need not necessarily show itself in any certain gift or guidepost, as you have said. There are some whose indigo energy is that of pure being and never is manifested, yet all are aware of such an entity’s progress. Others may teach or share in many ways contact with intelligent energy. Others continue in unmanifested form, seeking intelligent infinity.

Thus the manifestation is lesser signpost than that which is sensed or intuited about a mind/body/spirit complex. This violet ray being-ness is far more indicative of true self.

I hope it's a given that Ra's service to us is positive. No question about it.

But that's not necessarily the same as whether Ra has polarity.

No, I don't think you're saying Ra is negative. But I do think you're reluctant to say that Ra is positive.

No! You must do it NOW!

Please see post #188 in which I addressed those terms:

I went back and re-read that post, but I'm not sure which part you're thinking of. Is it this? "I think it depends on what you mean by the term service to others. It's not really a definition of the positive polarity. It is the percentage of service to others that is the definition of positive polarity."

Or this? "Thus, it appears to me that the term service to others, as a description of the positive polarity, cannot be separated. However, as a description of what is actually happening, ie. being of service, then it is distinct from polarity, because surely Ra serves others, yet has no polarity."

[Monica]

Hey! I thought you were all tuckered out!

Please see my last post - has been edited.

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58.22 ...Contact with indigo ray need not necessarily show itself in any certain gift or guidepost, as you have said. There are some whose indigo energy is that of pure being and never is manifested, yet all are aware of such an entity’s progress. Others may teach or share in many ways contact with intelligent energy. Others continue in unmanifested form, seeking intelligent infinity.

Thus the manifestation is lesser signpost than that which is sensed or intuited about a mind/body/spirit complex. This violet ray being-ness is far more indicative of true self.

OK. But I think it's a stretch to use that to back up the assertion that we can intuitively, definitively ascertain whether a 6D SMC has polarity.

No, I don't think you're saying Ra is negative. But I do think you're reluctant to say that Ra is positive.

Right. To be more precise: I'm reluctant to say that Ra has polarity, positive or not.

Because Ra said in 6D positive/negative polarity becomes history, and that they seek without polarity.

I can't get around those 2 quotes. I don't see how it could be said that Ra has polarity, if, in 6D, polarity ceases. That just doesn't work for me. I am taking Ra's word for it, and trying to understand how those statements can be true. I am starting from the presupposition that Ra's words are true, because that is what I'm choosing to believe.

I do, however, perceive Ra's service as resulting in that which is positive, for me, because it has a positive effect on my life. It might have the opposite effect if I read it to my fundamentalist sister.

I just see those as 2 separate things.

I went back and re-read that post, but I'm not sure which part you're thinking of. Is it this? "I think it depends on what you mean by the term service to others. It's not really a definition of the positive polarity. It is the percentage of service to others that is the definition of positive polarity."

Or this? "Thus, it appears to me that the term service to others, as a description of the positive polarity, cannot be separated. However, as a description of what is actually happening, ie. being of service, then it is distinct from polarity, because surely Ra serves others, yet has no polarity."

Yes, and the whole post, actually.

In English grammatical terms:

I interpret

'Service to Others' as a name, a definition...

differently from how I interpret

'Service' to others as a noun describing an action, ie. the action of serving, and being directed towards other selves.

Ra provides service to others, no question about that. (think: verb)

But does Ra have the Service to Others polarity? (think: name defining a polarity) Not according to the above quotes. I don't see how they could, if polarity has become history for them.

[peelstreetguy]

Monica, Please read my previous post and tell me what you think about it. Thanks.

[Monica]

Monica, Please read my previous post and tell me what you think about it. Thanks.

OK. But I certainly don't have the answers! I'm just asking questions and sharing my own interpretations.

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-Ra seeks without polarity. If the dark path comes to an end at mid 6th density and if Ra exists in high 6th density, then there is no polarity anymore, so Ra seeks without polarity.

Agreed.

You have the path of light and the dark path. The dark path ends (at mid 6th) but the path of light continues onward.

Ra explained a bit about the mechanism by which the dark path ends. Quotes, anyone?

The path of light is STO. So even though the dark path no longer exists where Ra is at, Ra is none the less still STO. At that level there is only STO, Thus, no polarity!

The path of light still exists, but there is no dark path to contrast it. At that point the new mystery begins because all is one and one is all.

Are you saying that STO exists, but isn't a polarity? How, then, would you define the STO that exists, after Ra says: in 6D positive/negative polarity becomes history,

How is the remaining STO defined?

[@ndy]

The path of light is STO. So even though the dark path no longer exists where Ra is at, Ra is none the less still STO. At that level there is only STO, Thus, no polarity!

The path of light still exists, but there is no dark path to contrast it. At that point the new mystery begins because all is one and one is all.

Are you saying that STO exists, but isn't a polarity? How, then, would you define the STO that exists, after Ra says: in 6D positive/negative polarity becomes history,

How is the remaining STO defined?

Wouldn't the path from then be a balance/mix of the two paths as pure service to creator. There is nothing other than one to serve so STO and STS isn't possible.

[βαθμιαίος]

Hey! I thought you were all tuckered out!

I was!

Right. To be more precise: I'm reluctant to say that Ra has polarity, positive or not.

Because Ra said in 6D positive/negative polarity becomes history, and that they seek without polarity.

I appreciate your fidelity to the text and I am trying, likewise, to be faithful.

Ra didn't say that the positive polarity must be abandoned, just the negative. They said "In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned."

I read that to say that the positive path continues to do what it has always done: send light and love to all other-selves. I don't see any indication that the positive path must release its polarity.

Think about this quote: "The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have." Isn't that all that's happening in sixth density when negatives abandon their polarity? They switch to positive.

Another way to think about it is "by their fruits you will know them." Ra says that the positive path respects free will while the negative does not. Didn't Ra, throughout the Ra contact, do everything they could to preserve Don, Carla, and Jim's free will?

Here's one more way to think about it. Before the veil, Ra says there was only the service to others path. So that path existed even when there was no service to self path.

[peelstreetguy]

βαθμιαίος said,

"Ra didn't say that the positive polarity must be abandoned, just the negative. They said "In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned."

I read that to say that the positive path continues to do what it has always done: send light and love to all other-selves. I don't see any indication that the positive path must release its polarity.

Think about this quote: "The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have." Isn't that all that's happening in sixth density when negatives abandon their polarity? They switch to positive.

Another way to think about it is "by their fruits you will know them." Ra says that the positive path respects free will while the negative does not. Didn't Ra, throughout the Ra contact, do everything they could to preserve Don, Carla, and Jim's free will?

Here's one more way to think about it. Before the veil, Ra says there was only the service to others path. So that path existed even when there was no service to self path."


-Exactly.

Picture ten people in a room. nine are STO and one is STS. Here we have polarity. Lets say that the one STS switches to STO. Now there is no more polarity. Does that mean that the people are no longer STO? I don't think so.

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Monica said,

"Are you saying that STO exists, but isn't a polarity? How, then, would you define the STO that exists, after Ra says: in 6D positive/negative polarity becomes history,

How is the remaining STO defined?"

-It is all that there is.

The dark path is the false path. It's like a ripple of distortion within a unified field. Once the distortion reunifies with the field, The unified field is again all there is. The unified field is love.

[Monica]

Wouldn't the path from then be a balance/mix of the two paths as pure service to creator.

I wouldn't say it's a balance, because balance would require 2 opposing forces, weighing against each other. Since there are no longer opposing charges, there is nothing to balance.

However, I think your next statement is very astute. And, in my interpretation, totally nails it:

There is nothing other than one to serve so STO and STS isn't possible.

Exactly! It isn't about whether the remaining path is 'good' or not. It is beyond our limited understanding of 'good' and 'evil' which are no longer relevant. It has transcended the concept and can no longer be limited to it.

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Another way to think about it is "by their fruits you will know them." Ra says that the positive path respects free will while the negative does not. Didn't Ra, throughout the Ra contact, do everything they could to preserve Don, Carla, and Jim's free will?

Again you seem to be implying that I'm saying Ra isn't 'good' or doesn't 'serve.'

Here's one more way to think about it. Before the veil, Ra says there was only the service to others path. So that path existed even when there was no service to self path.

Yes. But was it defined as a polarity?

[βαθμιαίος]

Picture ten people in a room. nine are STO and one is STS. Here we have polarity. Lets say that the one STS switches to STO. Now there is no more polarity. Does that mean that the people are no longer STO? I don't think so.

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The dark path is the false path. It's like a ripple of distortion within a unified field. Once the distortion reunifies with the field, The unified field is again all there is. The unified field is love.

I agree with this.

Again you seem to be implying that I'm saying Ra isn't 'good' or doesn't 'serve.'

I'm not trying to imply anything about what you're saying. I'm trying to articulate my own position and understand yours. My point here was that the Ra contact has one of the important hallmarks of a positive contact: respect for free will.

Here's one more way to think about it. Before the veil, Ra says there was only the service to others path. So that path existed even when there was no service to self path.

Yes. But was it defined as a polarity?

Yes, I think so. At least, it was defined as a means of polarization. See http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...e+the+Veil

Actually, that gives me an idea. Can you agree that Ra is polarized, even if you don't agree that they have polarity?

[Monica]

My point here was that the Ra contact has one of the important hallmarks of a positive contact: respect for free will.

Of course. That is not being disputed.

[unity100]

Here's one more way to think about it. Before the veil, Ra says there was only the service to others path. So that path existed even when there was no service to self path.

Yes. But was it defined as a polarity?

Yes, I think so. At least, it was defined as a means of polarization. See http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...e+the+Veil

that is not relevant to the subject.

service to others, or positive polarization existed before the veil, in 4d. it is said that, the entities would go towards 8d very fast, when they started 'seeing the creator'.

there is nothing about a polarity existing during that stage, leave aside any 'lightning-fast' manifestation of 6d, and 7d.

Actually, that gives me an idea. Can you agree that Ra is polarized, even if you don't agree that they have polarity?

if something is not polarized, then it means it is not polarized, hence, has polarity.

[zenmaster]

I thought polarity, which provides the potential to do work, was tied to a dualistic attitude or nature. At a certain point in evolution, there is a genuine non-dual attitude, a sufficiency that results from actually becoming all those things that were previously separate (ego becomes Self). From that standpoint of wholeness, polarity would not have meaning, because one's actions would no longer be compelled from the unconscious.

[Monica]

nine are STO and one is STS. Here we have polarity. Lets say that the one STS switches to STO. Now there is no more polarity. Does that mean that the people are no longer STO? I don't think so.

STO as in being of service, of course not. As I've said, of course they are still serving.

But Ra said that they are no longer of the positive polarity: and Ra also said that both negative and positive polarity becomes history in 6D.

To oversimplify: If there is no longer a 'bad guy' then the concept of 'good guy' becomes irrelevant.

What is polarity but a definition of the dynamic of opposite charges?

in 6D positive/negative polarity becomes history

The only way I can make sense of that quote is that polarity must be something separate from being in service.

It is all that there is.

The dark path is the false path.

Ra didn't say it was a 'false' path. Ra stated that it was a valid path. Ra's description of it as the path which is 'not' doesn't, in my opinion, imply that it's a false path; it just describe the mechanism of the path.

I don't see 1 path as valid and the other as 'false' because, to me, that seems to be viewing the situation thru the lens of separation.

It's like a ripple of distortion within a unified field. Once the distortion reunifies with the field, The unified field is again all there is. The unified field is love.

Ah, but the field is no longer distorted, is it?

And what is distortion? (In this context.) Isn't distortion also part of all that there is? How can it not be?

That's an great analogy! Let's try it, to illustrate the point I have been failing to convey.

First, let's define distortion, as it applies to physical reality. (NOTE: This is NOT a definition of distortion as Ra uses the term.)

from wikipedia:

A distortion is the alteration of the original shape (or other characteristic) of an object, image, sound, waveform or other form of information or representation. Distortion is usually unwanted, and often many methods are employed to minimize it in practice. In some fields, however, distortion is actually desirable; such is the case with electric guitar (where distortion is often induced purposely with the amplifier or an electronic effect to achieve an aggressive sound where desired), or censoring words. The slight distortion of analog tapes and vacuum tubes is considered pleasing in certain music listening situations.

Apparently, some types of distortion can be broken down into components, so I will use that context to illustrate the analogy:

Phase distortion

This form of distortion mostly occurs due to the reactive component, such as capacitive reactance or inductive reactance. Here, all the components of the input signal are not amplified with the same phase shift, hence causing some parts of the output signal to be out of phase with the rest of the output.

To insert STS/STO concepts into the analogy:

The field (the whole) contains distortion (STS) and undistorted (STO) components or parts.

To differentiate those parts, 1 part is labeled distorted (STS) and the other is labeled undistorted (STO).

At some point, the reactive component, or part, that was distorted is no longer distorted.

Without getting into why it's no longer reactive, or how it ceases to be distorted (which is a whole 'nother conversation), what is left?

To say that the part that was undistorted (STO) is still undistorted, as though no change, may be accurate when discussing music or some other physical waves, but I don't think it's accurate when describing 6D. Since all is one, if a component or part changes, does not the entire whole, including the other parts, also change?

If the field is no longer containing any reactive components, ie. areas of distortion, then the entire field has been affected, right?

If, in your analogy, the field is all, which includes the distortion, but then there is no longer distortion, is the field exactly the same as it was before, when there was distortion?

The way I see it, everyone arguing for 'STO' are arguing for half of the field remaining, the half of the field that wasn't distorted.

But since all is one, that half cannot exist alone. It is connected to the distorted half.

So when the distorted half is no longer distorted, what is left is the whole, without any distortion. But this whole is different from the half that was undistorted previously, because now the whole has been affected by the distorted parts changing. The undistorted parts cannot help but be affected, since all is ONE.

I am trying to draw a distinction between the undistorted half, and the undistorted whole. After the distorted half is no longer distorted, it becomes irrelevant to say, "The other half is still undistorted" because, since distortion no longer exists, the very concept of distorted/undistorted has become irrelevant.

[Monica]

I thought polarity, which provides the potential to do work, was tied to a dualistic attitude or nature. At a certain point in evolution, there is a genuine non-dual attitude, a sufficiency that results from actually becoming all those things that were previously separate (ego becomes Self). From that standpoint of wholeness, polarity would not have meaning,

Exactly!

I just found this:

1.5 Questioner: (The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.)
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

This to me is saying that Ra isn't polarized, because there is no such thing as polarity, at Ra's level of reconciliation.

But at our level of understanding, we see polarity.

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if something is not polarized, then it means it is not polarized, hence, has polarity.

Can you clarify this statement?

Did you mean:

if something is not polarized, then it means it is not polarized, hence, it has polarity.

or

if something is not polarized, then it means it is not polarized, hence, it has no polarity.

[peelstreetguy]

Monica said,

"So when the distorted half is no longer distorted, what is left is the whole, without any distortion. But this whole is different from the half that was undistorted previously, because now the whole has been affected by the distorted parts changing. The undistorted parts cannot help but be affected, since all is ONE.

I am trying to draw a distinction between the undistorted half, and the undistorted whole. After the distorted half is no longer distorted, it becomes irrelevant to say, "The other half is still undistorted" because, since distortion no longer exists, the very concept of distorted/undistorted has become irrelevant."

- I agree. As well, I should have used different terminalogy than "false path". What I meant by that is that it leads to a dead end.
The path of light leads eventually to becoming one with "all there is". The dark path does not.
When Don asked Ra about them comming to aid our planet, Ra said they they were answering a call. Ra explained it by asking Don if he would ignore a pain in his leg.
From our 3D perspective, comming to our aid is an act of STO. From Ra's perpective it is an act of STS because there is nothing else to serve (all is one, one body).

This is why it seems like a paradox. It all depends on what level you're looking at it from. I could say the same about the ying/yang symbol and Aleister crowleys' 0=2. These are all Different ways of explaining this seeming paradox.

[Monica]

From our 3D perspective, comming to our aid is an act of STO. From Ra's perpective it is an act of STS because there is nothing else to serve (all is one, one body).

I would say it is neither STS nor STO. It is pure service, to ONE.

This is why it seems like a paradox. It all depends on what level you're looking at it from.

Thanks! That's what I was trying to convey.

I could say the same about the ying/yang symbol and Aleister crowleys' 0=2. These are all Different ways of explaining this seeming paradox.

Not familiar with the Crowley reference - will look that up - but yes, the yin/yang Tao symbol illustrates it beautifully.

[peelstreetguy]

Monica said,

"This to me is saying that Ra isn't polarized, because there is no such thing as polarity, at Ra's level of reconciliation.

But at our level of understanding, we see polarity."

Peelstreetguy said,

From our 3D perspective, comming to our aid is an act of STO. From Ra's perpective it is an act of STS because there is nothing else to serve (all is one, one body).


We come to the same conclusion at almost the same time! You posted two minutes before me . I'm a slow typist. LOL!

[Monica]

From our 3D perspective, comming to our aid is an act of STO. From Ra's perpective it is an act of STS because there is nothing else to serve (all is one, one body).

We come to the same conclusion at almost the same time! You posted two minutes before me . I'm a slow typist. LOL!

In the sense of all is ONE, yes, but in the sense of STS/STO as definitions for polarity, I would say neither STS nor STO.

64.5 ...We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

4.20 Questioner: My objective is primarily to discover more of the Law of One, and it would be very helpful to discover the techniques of healing. I am aware of your problem with respect to free will. Can you state the Law of One and the laws of healing to me?
Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.

OK, I'm excited to have found this quote!

Ra stated they have become light/love and love/light.

Ra stated that all things are ONE, and there is no polarity...that ONE is love/light, light/love...

So, it logically follows that:

If ONE = love/light, light/love = no polarity

and

Ra = love/light, light/love

then

ONE = love/light, light/love = no polarity = Ra

That pretty much wraps it up for me.

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Actually, that gives me an idea. Can you agree that Ra is polarized, even if you don't agree that they have polarity?

For me to answer that, can you define polarized?

Here's an interesting tidbit I found on the page you linked:

78.13 Questioner: Then we have, at the beginning of this galactic evolution, an archetypical mind that is the product of the previous octave which this galaxy then used as and acts upon under the first distortion so as to allow for what we experience as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?
Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service-to-self and service-to-others.

[Sacred Fool]

Just thought I'd make a comment fleshing out one something I typed awhile back. My condensation of the Ra Material will, undoubtedly, be flimsy, but it might also be a useful point of departure.

Stepping back from the technical discussion for a moment, it might help clarify the discussion to look at the whole process and separate means from ends.

The process, overall, is evolution through the Densities which is accomplished through seeking. Seeking what? Seeking the original vibration of the One Creator (to use the orthodox lingo) which is inherent (vaguely) within in us all.

Serious seeking conduces to polarization--until mid-6D--and intensifies the aspirant's capacity to accept and work with Love & Light as it follows that upward spiral. From mid-6D onwards there remains the desire to graduate to higher Densities (the goal), but in that context, it seems, seeking no longer conduces to polarization (the means).

The concept of polarity requires a concept of more than one thing because, by definition, in order to have kinetic or potential energy, you need a transfer (or potential transfer) of energy from here to there. Somehow, this presumption of many-ness seems inappropriate to those operating under the Law of One.

The 6D seeking process, as exemplified by Ra, surely does seem to have everything to do with service, but the concept of polarity seems to give way to a more unified means of striving towards the goal.

[peelstreetguy]

peelstreetguy Wrote: From our 3D perspective, comming to our aid is an act of STO. From Ra's perpective it is an act of STS because there is nothing else to serve (all is one, one body).

We come to the same conclusion at almost the same time! You posted two minutes before me . I'm a slow typist. LOL!

Monica replied:
In the sense of all is ONE, yes, but in the sense of STS/STO as definitions for polarity, I would say neither STS nor STO.

I didn't really mean that Ra was acting STS on his level of thinking/being. What you said about "pure service, to one" is more accurate. That's what I meant by "one body".

[Monica]

I didn't really mean that Ra was acting STS on his level of thinking/being. What you said about "pure service, to one" is more accurate. That's what I meant by "one body".

I thought that was what you meant!

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Stepping back from the technical discussion for a moment, it might help clarify the discussion to look at the whole process and separate means from ends.

The process, overall, is evolution through the Densities which is accomplished through seeking. Seeking what? Seeking the original vibration of the One Creator (to use the orthodox lingo) which is inherent (vaguely) within in us all.

Serious seeking conduces to polarization--until mid-6D--and intensifies the aspirant's capacity to accept and work with Love & Light as it follows that upward spiral. From mid-6D onwards there remains the desire to graduate to higher Densities (the goal), but in that context, it seems, seeking no longer conduces to polarization (the means).

The concept of polarity requires a concept of more than one thing because, by definition, in order to have kinetic or potential energy, you need a transfer (or potential transfer) of energy from here to there. Somehow, this presumption of many-ness seems inappropriate to those operating under the Law of One.

The 6D seeking process, as exemplified by Ra, surely does seem to have everything to do with service, but the concept of polarity seems to give way to a more unified means of striving towards the goal.

Peregrine, you have explained very clearly what I was trying to convey! I agree totally!

[βαθμιαίος]

Wow, great discussion! I don't know if I can add anything at this point, but I will try.

Here's the point that I feel is being missed, and maybe the problem is that we lack terms for this type of discussion. I'm fine with saying that Ra seeks without polarity because there is no more negative path for their positivity to contrast with. But the point I've been trying to articulate is that nothing essential about Ra changed when the negatives abandoned their path. Ra was balanced and radiant before the paths merged; they are balanced and radiant still. Apparently people here are willing to call the early-sixth density Ra positive but not the late-sixth density. OK, fine, but what do we call them? They are certainly not neutral, are they? They are not offering their aid to negative groups, are they? They still have a horse in the race.

Ra has become light/love and love/light. They are becoming more and more that which they seek, which is the Creator. Aren't light/love, love/light, and the Creator if not good, then ... what? Full of joy, glory, power, and peace? Doesn't becoming light/love and love/light represent progress on the positive path rather than abandonment of it?

[Sacred Fool]

But the point I've been trying to articulate is that nothing essential about Ra changed when the negatives abandoned their path. Ra was balanced and radiant before the paths merged; they are balanced and radiant still.

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Ra has become light/love and love/light. They are becoming more and more that which they seek, which is the Creator. Aren't light/love, love/light, and the Creator if not good, then ... what? Full of joy, glory, power, and peace? Doesn't becoming light/love and love/light represent progress on the positive path rather than abandonment of it?

I can see your point that STO path appears to have continuity all the way through the entire cycle and if it's not positive later on, then what is it?

One can choose to put the pieces together in a variety of ways and, in truth, our capacity for understanding the mechanics of this stuff is quite limited. Nonetheless, here's how it adds up for me.

As entities become firmly established in the Law of One in 6D they then offer what gifts ("helper consciousness," sort of?) they can to the various beings with whom they have karmic connection such as their previous incarnations, folks like us whom they've visited and so on. This practice helps break down each instance of consciousness into its essential parts and, thus, facilitates the conscious experience of Oneness moving towards 7D.

My concept of this is unorthodox. It's as though in offering this service a mosaic is disassembled {for the 6D entity}: the big picture detaches into myriad fragments and each tiny fragment is gently returned to it's container. Thuswise all the energetic charges that have accrued over an aeon to define an entity are discharged and lain to rest, thus dismantling all personal identity with Creation. At that point there would seem to be no longer any contention between this expression of consciousness and that one. They would all be on somewhat equal footing.

Therefore, it seems legit to me to say that positive polarity, as such, for the 6D entity is passe at that point. On the other hand, your observation of the general continuity is likewise valid. Why, I'll bet there are STS entities right now saying, "See, you STO guys are sissies because your path is easier and has more continuity!"


PS, If ever I get another chance to have a session with Qu'o, maybe I'll enquire about the spiritual principles (if any) in my mosaic model?

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Peregrine, you have explained very clearly what I was trying to convey! I agree totally!

Well, good! I'm glad for both of us. It feels good for me to be in agreement with somebody about something every once in awhile.

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We come to the same conclusion at almost the same time! You posted two minutes before me . I'm a slow typist. LOL!

Lucky for me, eh!

[Monica]

Here's the point that I feel is being missed, and maybe the problem is that we lack terms for this type of discussion.

What??? You don't think we can adequately and accurately communicate, with perfect articulation and clarity, concepts related to entities millions of years more advanced than us, existing in densities we cannot even begin to imagine??

HUH?? Gosh, I don't see what the problem is!

I'm fine with saying that Ra seeks without polarity because there is no more negative path for their positivity to contrast with.

Yippppeeeeee! Glad we got past that!

But the point I've been trying to articulate is that nothing essential about Ra changed when the negatives abandoned their path.

Are you sure? How can we know that? How can we even begin to know in what ways Ra might have learned, grown, and evolved in what would be eons of time to us? We know that they continue to learn when they teach us. We know they do other things with their time too. The few years of contact with us was like the blink of an eye to them. I don't think we can even begin to speculate what spiritual evolution is like for them.

Also, since all is ONE, how could they not be affected when the negatives abandoned their path? They probably had a big love-fest, an orgy of light/love, and lit up the galaxy!

Ra was balanced and radiant before the paths merged; they are balanced and radiant still. Apparently people here are willing to call the early-sixth density Ra positive but not the late-sixth density. OK, fine, but what do we call them? They are certainly not neutral, are they? They are not offering their aid to negative groups, are they? They still have a horse in the race.

I understand your concerns. It gets back to the perennial question philosophers have been asking for centuries, about why 'God' allows suffering if 'God' is 'good.' It can be disconcerting to ponder.

But I don't think we need be concerned about Ra. Ra has told us they offer their aid to STO groups because that is their bias, presumably because that is the path they took.

As for what to call them, Love/Light works for me. :idea:

Ra has become light/love and love/light. They are becoming more and more that which they seek, which is the Creator. Aren't light/love, love/light, and the Creator if not good, then ... what? Full of joy, glory, power, and peace? Doesn't becoming light/love and love/light represent progress on the positive path rather than abandonment of it?

I would say, progress on the path, but the term positive no longer has relevance.

I'm not even sure path has application here, since it implies a linear progression.

Personally, I don't see why we would need to qualify the term Love/Light any more. It seems plenty descriptive to me.

[unity100]

Wow, great discussion! I don't know if I can add anything at this point, but I will try.

Here's the point that I feel is being missed, and maybe the problem is that we lack terms for this type of discussion. I'm fine with saying that Ra seeks without polarity because there is no more negative path for their positivity to contrast with. But the point I've been trying to articulate is that nothing essential about Ra changed when the negatives abandoned their path. Ra was balanced and radiant before the paths merged; they are balanced and radiant still. Apparently people here are willing to call the early-sixth density Ra positive but not the late-sixth density. OK, fine, but what do we call them? They are certainly not neutral, are they? They are not offering their aid to negative groups, are they? They still have a horse in the race.

if it was as such, ra would note that down.

they say the polarities become one, they merge. they dont say that they as Ra, remain as they were.

what do we call it, is the question that is being discussed here.

Ra has become light/love and love/light. They are becoming more and more that which they seek, which is the Creator. Aren't light/love, love/light, and the Creator if not good, then ... what? Full of joy, glory, power, and peace? Doesn't becoming light/love and love/light represent progress on the positive path rather than abandonment of it?

no it doesnt.

because, before this, there was the mover and moved polarities. with your logic here, someone would be able to say that 'isnt being the mover (or the moved) is progress on the x path' etc etc.

and we would have only one polarity today. the mover, or the moved. yet, see, that polarity isnt here.

but, instead, both the mover and the moved principles, are distributed to all existing entities. all entities both move, and they can be moved too. actually everything moves others, and becomes moved, at the same time.

positive/negative polarity separation is just some concept that is particular to this octave. once this octave ends, there will be no such separated polarity.

what im guessing is, ra is both positive and negative, or, however the merging of both two can happen.

or actually, since it is illogical to be both positive and negative, separately, we can just say that they are balanced in that regard, just like how the entities in next octave will be regarding those. and just like how the entities in this octave are balanced in regard to mover/moved.



the polarity concept was invented as a means to 'encourage' progress. there were infinite numbers of entities manifesting, and creating realities, before the concept of polarity. before this octave. and there are infinite numbers of entities manifesting, and infinite realities existing, after this octave.

each entity is the replica of any other entity, and ultimately, the first manifested entity. (if there was any such 'first' at all, as opposed to infinite number of firsts). each should take when they are given and in need, and each should give when it is needed and they can give. transforming, changing, flowing like water, harmoniously.

[@ndy]

Wow, great discussion! I don't know if I can add anything at this point, but I will try.

Agreed, on both counts

I'm fine with saying that Ra seeks without polarity

Agree!

But the point I've been trying to articulate is that nothing essential about Ra changed when the negatives abandoned their path. Ra was balanced and radiant before the paths merged; they are balanced and radiant still. Apparently people here are willing to call the early-sixth density Ra positive but not the late-sixth density. OK, fine, but what do we call them? They are certainly not neutral, are they? They are not offering their aid to negative groups, are they? They still have a horse in the race.

Were they balanced and radiant before the paths merged? What is this compared to? Compared to after they merged? Or compared to us?
They had chosen one path, were both paths not a distortion of sorts anyway?
One is a path to seeing others as you, and one is a path to separateness - hence it runs out of anywhere to go.
But both were needed for there to be polarity to play this game. All the time one was all, and all was one anyway
The positive path would appear to get less distorted the higher up the densities it moves while the negative more distorted - I guess why one is harder.
I'm just thinking on an entity level, accepting negative thoughts and integrating them is a self improving thing to do.
Perhaps Ra is also improved once unity is obtained - the fact that it happens before they go back to creator would suggest that.

Perhaps Ra's contacts and there path of serving from mid 6th, is purely to the creator by attempting to smooth the distortions there positive path caused during there journey back to unity.

I'm really struggling to word what I mean