I am in hell

[Aion]

Man, 'The Music Lesson' is a great book, eh? It seems so fundamental after reading it. I'll have to give your feelings here a listen, will try to maybe give some of my own.

sorry for being off topic!
Do you really recommend the book?
I have it in fact but never read it.

I am being highly put off by his music, if the "archetypical ego" would play music, i imagine sounding it like him.
So, thats why i didnt read it yet.

Do you like his music?

Maybe you are too busy listening with your own ego rather than listening to Music?

I honestly haven't listened too much but I like his style, very prog and groove oriented. That kind of instrumentation is totally normally in prog, psychedelic, improv, jam styles of music. Music is an immense entity to me and I really got out of the habit of 'listening for what I like' and changed to 'listening for Music' and it has really enhanced my understanding of sound and music in general. He has a wicked sense of groove and rhythm.

The purpose of different instruments is to express Music in different ways and there is no right way.

Also yes, I highly recommend the book because whatever you think of his playing there is solid musical understanding there.

Plus, solo guitar players are a dime a dozen and acoustic players are all over the place. I don't see what's wrong with playing another instrument solo, it's still just a stringed instrument. It still creates just as wide a range of frequencies and melodies as a guitar (actually it can create tones the guitar can't make).

[Aion]

This is a great one that shows his playing all about the groove and the flow. In this case they are being versatile and the bassline itself is handled by the keyboard, which actually is quite common.

[Agua del Cielo]

Maybe you are too busy listening with your own ego rather than listening to Music?

yes, thats entirely possible, i have plenty of that!

Its just not my taste at all!
i mean, he's a brilliant bass player, no doubt, very skillfull, brilliant technique.
But still, i dont like that style at all.

Actually, i know most of his work.
I remember being on tour and the bass player (who was a huge fan) forced us to listen to it again and again :/

And, dont get me wrong, nothing against a nice solo here or there and in the appropriate style of music.
I just had more than my fair share of sophisticated bass players that tried to show their skill the whole evening, instead of supporting the song. Maybe you know what i mean.
Probably its because of that i dont like it.
I played a lot in jazz and fusion bands when i was younger and was practicing a lot.
Throughout the years i just came to like music more and more that has a more songoriented style.

Personal taste i guess.

But if you guys all recommend the book, i will give it a try.
Would be a little stupid to not even try it just because im prejudiced i admit
Thanks for the feedback!

[Aion]

Maybe you are too busy listening with your own ego rather than listening to Music?

yes, thats entirely possible, i have plenty of that!

Its just not my taste at all!
i mean, he's a brilliant bass player, no doubt, very skillfull, brilliant technique.
But still, i dont like that style at all.

Actually, i know most of his work.
I remember being on tour and the bass player (who was a huge fan) forced us to listen to it again and again :/

And, dont get me wrong, nothing against a nice solo here or there and in the appropriate style of music.
I just had more than my fair share of sophisticated bass players that tried to show their skill the whole evening, instead of supporting the song. Maybe you know what i mean.
Probably its because of that i dont like it.
I played a lot in jazz and fusion bands when i was younger and was practicing a lot.
Throughout the years i just came to like music more and more that has a more songoriented style.

Personal taste i guess.

But if you guys all recommend the book, i will give it a try.
Would be a little stupid to not even try it just because im prejudiced i admit
Thanks for the feedback!

Well, to be fair, I respect his music and can appreciate the Music in it, but I don't listen to it. I think in this context there is a difference between a bassplayer in a band trying to take the spotlight and a band which is literally written around the bass and does that entirely intentionally. In the former there is conflict for sure, but the latter can have pure band chemistry. Primus is a great example of this.

So, what that tells me is this has nothing to do with his bassplaying or music itself but instead your preconceived notions of what his intentions might be. Just listen, maybe, without dwelling in your past. Forgive the bassplayer for the sake of the music.

I do understand where you are coming from though. I have often been a very tight styled writer and I am generally very structured in my own approach. I guess for me there is a great variance in what constitutes a 'song', I don't feel it is as straightforward as a start/stop integration of intentional harmonies. Nature produces spontaneous songs all the time and everything is a constant musical expression. The rise and falls, surprises of loud and quiet noises, it's all a great orchestral performance by the universe.

[Agua del Cielo]

Yes, i fully agree!
It was mainly about musician trying to get attention at any price, often at the price of really "killing" the song. but i guess you know what i mean.
Writing around a solo instrument is a different thing, not really my taste usually, but thats just personal preference.
At some point i discovered a alomost childlike naive passion for music in me, and a great love for beautiful naive little melodies. And i found that this is much closer to my inner self, so i allowed that just to happen.
I think music is extremely personal and at times even trans-personal.
Each song out there will touch someone really deep, and thats what its all about for me!

I just go by what touches me at that moment.
Aalthough i can still appreciate brilliant musicians (and there are thousands out there) and perfectly acknowledge their music, even if it doesnt touch me.

[Aion]

Absolutely. Respect doesn't mean you have to have a preference for it.

I agree with the notion Wooten puts forth in his book. Music is its own thing, both part of us and larger than us. I don't think we ourselves actually 'create' Music, but rather its like just the right conditions become arranged and it triggers this movement through the universe. A musician merely understands how to set up these arrangements, like a ritual.

[Agua del Cielo]

i perceive it as a channeling actually!
When a song is finished i always wonder where it came from

Edit
A funny side note:

Now that you know about my aversion in regards to bass solos (background see above posts) please note

Thread title: "im in heall"
Current subject: "Bass Solos"

I should send this to the bass player in question, hehe

[Infinite]

Hell no end to neutral no end no end. No end. karmic system is torture.

Hi my brother.

First, the words have power. Everyething is energy. Any word carry a frequency, The repetition (mainly mental repetition) changes the reality. If you focus in this hell ideia you will to attract this.

Second, I belive that you know what is the astral plane. Unhapply there are a lot of negative beings in the lower frequencies of the astral. There are many obsession systems waiting for a fall. They only can affect who have compatible vibration with they.

Where is God. Where is It. Where is intelligence. Where is the higher intelligence.

Is not necessary search for God. Look in your around. Everything is God. The problem is search something out of yourself.

Every single thought inspiration that comes to me is a new torture. This thought inspiration, "Keep searching," "Zoom your sense of 'I' outwards until you reach the One." These higher self thoughts are mocking me.

The big question is: what you is doing about it?

I see suicide as the only option for reuniting with the One.

This is an illusion. Suicide just will get worse your situation. If you can't have balance here, in the astral plane will be very worse.


Peace, love and light.

[Turtle]

i perceive it as a channeling actually!
When a song is finished i always wonder where it came from

Edit
A funny side note:

Now that you know about my aversion in regards to bass solos (background see above posts) please note

Thread title: "im in heall"
Current subject: "Bass Solos"

I should send this to the bass player in question, hehe

lol

[kevn]

Is not necessary search for God. Look in your around. Everything is God. The problem is search something out of yourself.

I second that. I also third it, fourth it, fifth it, sixth it, etc³³³...

Look inside, not outside.

[sjel]

A funny side note:

Now that you know about my aversion in regards to bass solos (background see above posts) please note

Thread title: "im in hell"
Current subject: "Bass Solos"

I should send this to the bass player in question, hehe

Hahahaha!!! the two subjects are indeed intimately intertwined.

[Agua del Cielo]

How is it going now, sjel?
Are you feeling better?

[sjel]

How is it going now, sjel?
Are you feeling better?

i feel sleeeeenk sleeenk, say it loud and see how your voice reacts to the word, sleenk sleenk sleenk, sleeeennnnnnnnkkk sleenk! sleenk sleeeenk. sleenk.

Try to make the word beautiful, and you will transmute the catalyst of SLEENK into perfect joy.

Here is the sleenk thought form represented on piano: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0kh3KLmFp9o

[Night Owl]

This is my favorite so far sjel very nice modal progression. This kind of balancement between two modal chords makes some very interesting loops.