What does polarization mean? Are there 3 polarities?

[Sacred Fool]

Are you saying that "polarity is a kind of energy expenditure?"  Huh?  Me no comprehend, friend.

This is an odd turn of phrase: "The entity who is able to express 51% of its energies by intention in its life pattern, then will find itself available for the harvest in the positive sense."  But I think the corresponding comment on the negative path gives ample context.  In other words, 51% or more of one's interaction with internal and external catalyst are responded to, not from some combination of the lower chakras, but from the heart.  That's what polarization (harvestability in this case) would look like, no?  That is, it would look that way from the outside.

One might yet again underscore Q'uo's oft-repeated comment about the most difficult journey in life being that 14 or so inches from the head to the heart.  And speaking of such, just for the proverbial record, it strikes me that some portion of these fora should be dedicated just to that journey, it being the primal fulfillment of 3d, for the positive folks.

 

[rva_jeremy]

Are you saying that "polarity is a kind of energy expenditure?"  Huh?  Me no comprehend, friend

Well, this is all my opinion, just ways that I make these ideas useful to myself. It might be wrong.

I think the concept of polarity is a simplification of energetic patterns in our being which are too multifarious, sublimated, and subtle to describe in any other useful way in third density. Polarity is an ideal that probably manifests in a lot of particular ways, yet maintains the same noticeable set of general qualities. The question for third density experience is how to make it actionable, something subject to a choice and an act of will, when it is in some ways a phenomenon with roots beyond all this.

The reason I think of it this way is that it's too easy to be reductionist about the polarity of thoughts and behavior. Service-to-others is not always about what we normally define as "service" or "others". Service-to-self is not always just about what we normally define as "service" or "self". It is too easy to reduce these polarities to the low resolution of language and social norms, losing the animating spirit behind the scenes. So I always remind myself that this is an energetic pattern, to ensure that I don't get lost in terminology and the need to reconcile everything logically. Polarity is ultimately about a feeling, not about an analysis or measurement.

For example, I feel confident that the percentages cited for STS and STO are, for all third density intents and purposes, metaphors. You can't measure actions and thoughts that way! It doesn't make any sense from a third density perspective. I believe the cited percentages point at something deeper and finer, just around the corner, a more universal substrate we can feel and can often use thoughts to work with but isn't those thoughts itself and isn't even those feelings themselves. At the level of that common substrate of vibration, the cited percentages may indeed be more direct measurements of this common vibratory configuration, but then it's a matter of accessing things expressly intended to be veiled. The value of third density experience is in apprehending the vibratory configuration obliquely, in other words, without direct and acknowledged access to the underlying phenomenon.

Nevertheless, since we do not have reliable, ongoing, clear access to observing the substrate on its own terms, we use the illusion as a kind of analog to it, going off feeling and analysis. Polarity is a way of thinking about it that allows us to work with the phenomenon of energy expenditure imperfectly but tractably and vividly. Another way of conceiving of all of this: it's a way to intellectually justify the need to abandon the intellect as the primary tool.

[Sacred Fool]

The value of third density experience is in apprehending the vibratory configuration obliquely, in other words, without direct and acknowledged access to the underlying phenomenon.

Nevertheless, since we do not have reliable, ongoing, clear access to observing the substrate on its own terms, we use the illusion as a kind of analog to it, going off feeling and analysis. Polarity is a way of thinking about it that allows us to work with the phenomenon of energy expenditure imperfectly but tractably and vividly. Another way of conceiving of all of this: it's a way to intellectually justify the need to abandon the intellect as the primary tool.

Okay, I think I follow you.  I think you're saying, this is the best way I can grope towards the concept, being unable to see it, unable to feel it.  Ja?


I'm coming at this from a different angle.  I agree that the approach is oblique--by design--and I would add this much more: one can become accustomed to working this way (obliquely) and thereby get a feel for what polarity (I'm referring specifically to spiritual charge, energetic capacity to do work) feels like.

It might be compared to a musician who learns to find her way around the guitar without looking at her hands, and then can begin to also sense other musicians as they move along their instruments.  There is an oblique, intuitive connection.  Dancers often feel this.  As a clockmaker/watchmaker, I can assess a great deal of a person's skill just by observing them handling tweezers.  I see their poise, their attention level, etc.  There is a similar gestalt when observing someone communing with whiskey or a cigar.  One can feel the vibes of their aesthetic experience, if you are attuned to such things.  In my experience, there is a similar way with polarity, although it is more complex because you're dealing there not just with physical and emotional ability, but also with the spiritual capacity to do work.  It's all there, it just takes some training to discern the various layers of information and understand their relationships.

In my case, I have no great interest in assessing other people in this manner, but have picked up on the skill somewhat--in an oblique sort of a way--in service to the purification of my energetic instrument.
 

[flofrog]

Although it’s a bit difficult to express it in a useful language of 3D, I like a lo5 what you both just posted. I often have a feeling when I ge5 out of meditation of sort of grasping polarity, if that is what it is, just because there seems to be a good “oiling” like 8nam à car just out of a (good!) service station.

So I could say as Jeremy says, that I left my intellect out there, (however small it is ) and as peregrine says, there are elegiac moments when you watch dancers where you feel they definitely are in the zone, in fact even way more high. There are these moments I live like that, and they don’t even feel coming from my frog personality but definitely more impersonal, and using the polarity in detached way.

If that all makes sense, oh well

[ada]

floflo, care to explain what do you mean by 'frog personality'?  

[Sacred Fool]

There are these moments I live like that, and they don’t even feel coming from my frog personality but definitely more impersonal, and using the polarity in detached way.

Yes, and would you say that it's not detached emotionally, per se, but detached personally, or transpersonal?  That is, it's a kind of shared personal awareness, aslant the normal individual ego awareness?  (It's simply there waiting for us to engage it.)

This is exactly the sort of thing I was typing about.  It's an oblique awareness of that which is shared beyond the ego self.  If one experiences this in a passive manner in meditation, to work with it deliberately, I would say, is to "do work in consciousness."

 

[Quan]

floflo, care to explain what do you mean by 'frog personality'?  

Hahah yes please elaborate, i like how you slipped it in the conversation so casually in quite a eloquent discussion too   

[rva_jeremy]

Okay, I think I follow you.  I think you're saying, this is the best way I can grope towards the concept, being unable to see it, unable to feel it.  Ja?

Genau.

I'm coming at this from a different angle.  I agree that the approach is oblique--by design--and I would add this much more: one can become accustomed to working this way (obliquely) and thereby get a feel for what polarity (I'm referring specifically to spiritual charge, energetic capacity to do work) feels like.

Yes, totally agree. That's kind of what my big long intellectual explanation is about: justifying to my intellect why it is not really needed here. Polarization in essence is absolutely more intuitive and emotional, but it's helpful for me to have some way to reason about what's going on if for no other reason than to stay out of its way.

I not only don't doubt people can become accustomed to working this way, but I think working this way is in part what we're here to develop. As a kind of spiritual charge, polarity is as necessary for further evolution as muscles are for walking. This sounds close enough to what you're describing, and I fully expect that at the level discussion, mentation and modeling are as uniquely realized as the individual.

I have no interest in assessing other people, either, although it's easier for me to abstain from the attempt because I'm thick as a brick and not very sensitive to vibratory information.

[Sacred Fool]

I have no interest in assessing other people, either, although it's easier for me to abstain from the attempt because I'm thick as a brick and not very sensitive to vibratory information.

Do you remember Highlights Magazine and its Hidden Pictures section?  That was always my favorite part of it, actually, where they have a larger picture seeded with many small, unrelated items that were cleverly concealed in plain sight.  Well, becoming a porous brick is something like finding those hidden items, that is, you have to de-tune your awareness from the obvious picture, so as to avoid confusion, and tune in to a scanning-for-objects modality.  Or it's like giving hearing more weight over your other senses when you're waiting to hear a baby cry.  You're just selecting what "frequency" range to pay more attention to.

Now, maybe you feel that brick-ness is a way of expressing your true self and you're not interest in taking this any further?  No problem.  On the other hand, if you do have some interest in increasing your porosity, I would recommend taking workshops or working with someone in some kind of capacity who can bombard you with various subtle frequencies so that you may begin to recognize the actual frequency range wherein these things occur.  You might find it entertaining, if nothing else.

Tchuess!

 

[Infinite Unity]

Polarity is directly related to the equivalent power/flow of your energy system. The differentation is the amount of possible charge through crystalization. The amount of crystalization determines the possible flow of energy. Which is then directly related to manifestation/kinetic possibilities or work.

Each subsequent center is opened/energized by an energetic threshold. Much like blood pressure, and almost every other organ in the body, having a major regulator tied to some sort of pressure reading. The energetic body operates in much the same way. Each center needing the previous center to be cycling or energized within an certain threshold. Which is all the emotions, thoughts etc.

It's quite relatable to an automatic transmission, and how the pressure plates within meeting a certain pressure threshold, switches gears. However instead of mechanical, think fluidic harmonic orchestra.

[flofrog]

There are these moments I live like that, and they don’t even feel coming from my frog personality but definitely more impersonal, and using the polarity in detached way.

Yes, and would you say that it's not detached emotionally, per se, but detached personally, or transpersonal?  That is, it's a kind of shared personal awareness, aslant the normal individual ego awareness?  (It's simply there waiting for us to engage it.)

This is exactly the sort of thing I was typing about.  It's an oblique awareness of that which is shared beyond the ego self.  If one experiences this in a passive manner in meditation, to work with it deliberately, I would say, is to "do work in consciousness."

 

Yes Yes !!! Totally !! that obliqueness which feels so smooth and you are so happy when once in a while you get h old of it

Quan and Blossom, ehh, I was discreetly trying to allude to inner failings, so the frog personality would be that tadpole slimy aspect so difficult to hide and get away from

[Sacred Fool]

Well, there you are: negotiating between slime and bliss.

[GentleReckoning]

1. I believe I do good (but in reality am neutral or negative)

2. I am consciously desiring to harm reality in a way that does not teach. (negative)

3. I do good, and test to verify that it was good. (good for all, not just those of a particular faith or creed)

[EvolvingPhoenix]

2. I am consciously desiring to harm reality in a way that does not teach. (negative)

Why?

[GentleReckoning]

Communicates disconnection from reality, allowing for the resolution of the disconnection. Or for greater disconnection and light.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Communicates disconnection from reality, allowing for the resolution of the disconnection. Or for greater disconnection and light.

Why do that? Because you're looking to further process catalyst?

[Quan]

There are these moments I live like that, and they don’t even feel coming from my frog personality but definitely more impersonal, and using the polarity in detached way.

Yes, and would you say that it's not detached emotionally, per se, but detached personally, or transpersonal?  That is, it's a kind of shared personal awareness, aslant the normal individual ego awareness?  (It's simply there waiting for us to engage it.)

This is exactly the sort of thing I was typing about.  It's an oblique awareness of that which is shared beyond the ego self.  If one experiences this in a passive manner in meditation, to work with it deliberately, I would say, is to "do work in consciousness."

 

Yes Yes !!! Totally !!  that obliqueness which feels so smooth and you are so happy when once in a while you get h old of it

Quan and Blossom, ehh, I was discreetly trying to allude to inner failings, so the  frog personality would be that tadpole slimy aspect so difficult to hide and get away from  

awww the poor tadpole you just want to be the grown up frog but the tadpole is the roots so cant hide haha i love when you give the frog metaphors     

[EvolvingPhoenix]

The famous Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita talks about the polarities. Referred to in that text as the modes of nature. There is the mode of goodness, which is the path of the devas (angels) and of serving others. Then there is the mode of passion, which is the path of the asuras (demons) and of serving the self. Through the mode of goodness, you reincarnate in the higher planets, and the mode of passion takes you to the lower planets. The Bhagavad Gita breaks down the experiences and differences of those two paths, but it also mentions the third mode of nature- the mode of ignorance. It is the mode of nature that predominates over us when we cannot fully embody either of the other modes. It's the mode of indifference. And there are resulting qualities of the experience of the mode of ignorance- it is also explained in detail like the other modes. Most people in this age are under the mode of ignorance. As the mode of goodness is the path of the angels and the mode of passion is the path of the demons; the mode of ignorance is the "path" of ghosts and spirits. Not that we necessarily become a ghost right after incarnating, although it does bring to mind how some of the entities Ra mentions are in a process of healing- they are sometimes confused because their path might have been not as pure as they intended and so they stay in a disembodied state for some time.

I was thinking about this the other day..

I actually had 2 questions about polarity

#1)  What is it we mean by polarization?  Can we have a positive & negative red,orange,yellow, etc chakras? Or is positive polarization a configuration of chakras that includes green ray where negative does not?  My understanding is that polarization is the latter, but would like your take on it.

#2) Along with positive and negative polarities, is there a neutral polarity?  When we say 51% positive polarization, does this mean 51% positive and 49% negative, or does this mean 51% positive and 49% neutral?  Or is there some combination of 51% positive, 30% neutral, 19% negative?

Thought these were interesting concepts, would like to discuss with others.

Thanks!

Maybe I can add to the confusion here.

In the Ra Material, "polarity" is the capacity to do work in spirit.  It's like the charge of a battery, it can be high or low or in between or completely dead.  The term "positive polarization" refers to the degree to which one's being is oriented towards service to others (or God or virtue, etc.) as compared to being self-serving or not much dedicated to anything.  I don't recall Ra discussing a neutral polarity, possibly because polarity is necessary to evolve spiritually, and, as it functions similar to a battery, it is either positive or negative.  However, Ra says they are without polarity because at their sixth density level, they serve the Law of One, and oneness, by definition is without polarity.

The Vedic concepts of the Devas and Asuras are simpatico with the Ra Material's concepts of the paths of service to others and service to self and how these lead to high levels of spiritual developement.  For example, there are stories of Asuras attaining immortality--Rahu comes to mind.  (The Asuras usually pay some price for their gains, such as Rahu losing his body.  On the other hand, the Devas sometimes take a beating as well, such as in the Humbling of Indra.)  Likewise, the Vedantic concept of Brahman is simpatico with the LOO concept of the Creator prior to the first distortion.

The triguna (three gunas) are another matter.  These could be maybe sort of be seen as describing polarity, in the sense that someone highly sattvic has more polarity (power to do work in spirit) and someone very tamasic has far less polarity.  But being submerged in tamas (lethargic, indifferent) would not be a different polarity, it would be a state of very little polarity.  A person in that state would likely have very little viveka (insightful discrimination) and would thus be disposed to being manipulated by ghosts or demons or selfish politicians (or people who post on the Internet, such as us).

I hope that helps.

 

So is it possible to be of positive polarity up until mid sixth density?

Like, in early 6th?

Like, are there positive polarity early 6th density beings?

[Patrick]

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So is it possible to be of positive polarity up until mid sixth density?

Like, in early 6th?

Like, are there positive polarity early 6th density beings?

In my opinion, yes.
 

[xise]

So is it possible to be of positive polarity up until mid sixth density?

Like, in early 6th?

Like, are there positive polarity early 6th density beings?

It is pretty clear positivity polarity exists into mid-sixth density, and that negative polarity exists in early sixth density. 

However, rereading some of the relevant quotations, I am starting to think it's not something Ra clearly states as "This happens in early 6th, this happens in mid-6th, this happens in late 6th", but I think it is mostly true that releasing polarity occurs prior to late 6th density, based on a number of quotes, and that prior to this, negatives have to go positive.  From what I can tell right now, you could argue though that negatives can get almost to mid-sixth, depending on the wording, though it's pretty clear at some point prior to releasing of polarity, a negative has to go positive instead of directly releasing polarity. I'm gonna look into this when I have more time.

Here's some quotations about negatives not being able to release polarity without going positive first:

[font=sans-serif]78.25 ▶ Questioner: Then you are saying as a result of the polarization in consciousness that has occurred later in the galactic evolution, that the experiences are much more, shall I say, profound or deeper along the two paths. Are these experiences independent of the other path or must there be action across the potentiated difference between the positive and negative polarity, or is it possible to have this experience simply because of the single polarity? This is difficult to ask.

Ra:[/font] I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.


The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

Here's another quote about negatives having to go positive to progress:

36.15 ▶ Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be [the] case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

I'll keep looking though, because I was under the impression that negatives had to reverse in early sixth, but it seems that the wording is consistent with negatives going positive polarity for some period of time before releasing polarity completely.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Wait, so I'm confused... is Ra "Beyond polarity" as a mid sixth density being? Or is Ra Positive polarity? Is he mid sixth or early sixth?

Does the mid sixth density self still have positive polarity or no polarity?

[Patrick]

It's possible that, in 6d, the only difference between positive polarity and no polarity is that you are simply not judging anymore.

[Nau7ik]

Wait, so I'm confused... is Ra "Beyond polarity" as a mid sixth density being? Or is Ra Positive polarity? Is he mid sixth or early sixth?

Does the mid sixth density self still have positive polarity or no polarity?

Ra is positive but beyond polarity in sixth density. Let me explain... The Creator is infinitely loving. The natural bias of the Logos is service-to-others. In third density with the veil, we can discern the possibility of another way, that being service to one’s self. Ra has walked the STO path to 6D. The sixth density is the density of unity, wisdom and compassion perfectly blended. It’s absolutely necessary for the MBS complex to realize self and other self as one self, the Creator. Ra on 6D: “loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self”. Service to self is service to others, and service to others is service to self. Polarity is canceled out. Self and other are one. I can only approximate an understanding because I don’t have 6D consciousness. There being only one polarity now, positive, there is no polarity because polarity is dependent on an opposite. im talking about polarity in consciousness here, to clear up any confusion or misunderstandings. It’s impossible to not see self and other as One, without spiritual entropy, which the extremely wise negative entity will discern and address by changing polarity. This is the natural bias of STO so it presents no problem to Ra.

Ra is late sixth density. They have one last thing to do before harvesting to 7D, and that is the correcting of the distortions which they feel responsible for introducing to humanity by their unwise intervention.

I hope that was clear.

[AnthroHeart]

So a negative entity that turns positive in mid 6th density gets away with all the people they killed and subjugated?

[Patrick]

So a negative entity that turns positive in mid 6th density gets away with all the people they killed and subjugated?

I suspect that yes, but it's probably via forgiveness.

[Glow]

So a negative entity that turns positive in mid 6th density gets away with all the people they killed and subjugated?

Judgement is not a higher principal.
Judgement(not discernment) is based on fear, anger, control and shadow just like all darkness that is perpetrated.
That is why eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil kicked us out of metaphorical eden.

Once the light shines into all corners of that portions awareness there is complete understanding/rectification and the veil of illusion is fully lifted.
At that point we are fully all one. Is there some punishment you would want for your once wounded, now healed parts when you understand and they too understand it was all illusion/pain/confusion/the veil.

I am not in filtering mode today. Please ignore anything that doesn't resonate.

[xise]

Wait, so I'm confused... is Ra "Beyond polarity" as a mid sixth density being? Or is Ra Positive polarity? Is he mid sixth or early sixth?

Does the mid sixth density self still have positive polarity or no polarity?

Ra is late-sixth density, but I think to try to fit everything nicely into categories of early/mid/late sixth may be difficult because Ra doesn't always use those terms and in reality it's probably a spectrum. Like are there truly hardline distinctions between early 3d, mid 3d, and late 3d - no, it's more of a spectrum of consciousness. So it may be useful to not worry so much about the terms early/mid/late and instead think of a timeline or order of events. 

STS/STO entry in 6th density-> 
STS switch to STO-> 
STO moves beyond polarity->
Beyond polarity/unity consciousness learns additional lessons needed for 7th density (Ra is here)->
Beyond polarity/unity consciousness evolves to 7th density. 

Don't think you need to put that into the early/mid/late boxes strictly, understanding the order is more useful imo.


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I'm not sure if there is directly supported by the text, but I speculate that the most advanced stages of service to others philosophy all distinctions between other selves and the self drops away completely from every fiber of your mind/body/spirit, and you literally do not see any separation at all, thereby evolving to beyond polarity.

[Cobrien]

Polarity is, essentially, a psychic charge. You polarize with self awareness towards the societal self, given a relation with an other self. ([edit] or group) It's pretty simple. There's no third polarity. Man was made in the image of God and God breathed life into him. Your polarity is like the breathe which animates his Image. Kapesh?

There is a dynamic between mind and body polarities which informs all the biases and behaviors we choose. The relationship to the spirit and polarity is pretty clear, especially considering Ra's statement that the original form of the Potentiator of Spirit was "the lightning itself". (78.11)

Ra's suggestions of the crystalline forms of the chakras can be a good initial material  to gain better understanding of polarity.

Here's a quote:

76.9
"..It is well to investigate each discipline, not as a dilettante, but as one who seeks the touchstone, one who wishes to feel the pull of the magnet. One of these studies will be more attractive to the seeker. Let the seeker then investigate the archetypical mind using, basically, one of these three disciplines. After a period of study, the discipline mastered sufficiently, the seeker may then complete the more important step: that is, the moving beyond the written in order to express in an unique fashion its understanding, if you may again pardon the noun, of the archetypical mind."

At some point the visualization faculty is needed to exercise refinements, once ( or if) you start working with the archetypal mind. You reach a point where verbal understanding is less useful than it would otherwise seem.

Here's a quote to justify the assertion:

58.3
"At this point in your development, you would do well to work with the unpowerful crystals in ascertaining, not only the physical major energy centers, but also the physical secondary and tertiary energy centers and then begin to find the corresponding subtle body energy centers. In this way, you may activate your own inner vision."

Don was asking about healing in this question. The healing material is very effective for gaining sensitivity.

-Hope this helps