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Asolsutsesvyl · 11-29-2019, 05:24 AM

I stumbled upon this, on page 48, looking around to see what's in this thread:

(07-23-2012, 08:39 AM)Confused Wrote: This post is for all those dear souls who take the time to check out this rambling thread, the so called The mysterious nature of time.

Time, for me, signified the ultimate mystery of existence, given how the past and its events has affected the present and how the present affects the future. The nature of time, I believe, is intimately connected with the concept of free will and to the general fear of the future that most humans possess, on this plane. This was brought home to me by the following very interesting and extremely cryptic quotes (for me) --

[...]

I've been thinking about various of the things you wrote back in 2012. Nice collection of quotes.

Below, in two parts, various thoughts that have been on my mind. May as well write it down somewhere, and why not here for a start?

The Logos and the nature of it all

There's two basic, very different explanations of "why?" for the world we live in, with its veiling and misunderstanding, why people are distracted and spiritually asleep, engaging in transient matters life after life while the sinkhole of indifference deepens and wars and suffering goes on.

One idea, that offered by Ra, is that of a Logos experimenting, trying something which happens here, but not everywhere else (or not even in most places): a greater veiling and separation between higher and lower awareness and focus, to encourage a more vivid and vigorous exploring and growth. It appears on the whole to be a failed experiment, as the picture of the future is that of a small harvest, most of humanity still stuck in the sinkhole of indifference.

A different idea, that offered by the Cassiopaeans, is that this is "The Matrix", into which souls were lured in order to trap them in a system which is designed to make them generate loosh for 4D STS to suck up, through inflicting suffering on one another while staying asleep and repeating the same pattern over and over, unable to learn and grow beyond it. War and loss, including mass madness and forgetting of what has been learned by prior generations, is in this explanation deliberately orchestrated by 4D STS.

The second idea is very appealing as an explanation, because it seems to fit what can be seen on Earth, while with the first idea, the good intentions behind the experiment are not possible to witness from this end of the veil. I'm not sure whether the full picture corresponds to either; it could be that Ra emphasized the elements agreeable to the 3D group spoken to, and that the Cassiopaeans zoom in on the negative elements of this world clearly in order to then offer a tainted solution.

A third type of explanation, that found in e.g. the Gnosis books of Boris Mouravieff, is a multi-dimensional view of the cosmos, where "God" or "the Absolute" has three distinct shapes at three distinct levels above this physical world, in a cosmos which branches out like a recursive definition, from unity, to higher planes, to individual beings, to inanimate matter.

The difference between that and Ra's view is that negativity enters at the level of the "Absolute III", in a way which corresponds to this world being closer to 4D STS than to 4D STO. In other words, this world is an example of a world which has branched out positively once, and then negatively after, leading to a physical world more negative than positive in its appearances; a world where life eats life in order to sustain itself, and proceeds in an ugly way by nature.

In such a world, the highest is pure, but difficult to access; the intermediate, further from the physical, is mixed-up and muddy, and those who truly develop may do so either positively or negatively. The physical is more negative than positive, while the opposite type of physical world is metaphorically more like the Christian Garden of Eden.

The "Absolute III", relative to where we are, has a "satanic" nature according to Mouravieff, while in more purely positive worlds, a different "Absolute III" of the opposite nature would be the more immediate Logos above. Regardless, the "Absolute II", several steps up in consciousness, is purely positive in its nature. (The opposite case for the "Absolute II" may correspond to the extremely negative worlds beyond our imagination referred to by Ra in a few places, the high-security spiritual prisons into which 5D STS would like to lure souls.)

Dimensions of time

Regarding the nature of time, the idea of multidimensional time was explored by Don Elkins - time as three-dimensional, together with three dimensional space, for six dimensions of space and time. P. D. Ouspensky, close to the time when World War I broke out, had similar ideas, but on a foundation which first developed from and then diverged from Theosophy.

Ouspensky's idea is that the first dimension of time is forward movement, as experienced; the second dimension, the infinite range of possibilities; the third dimension, an infinite line there to give "space" for infinite variations of developments to play out.

We can only "see" one dimension of time and think about the second and third, i.e. possibilities and alternative realities. But Ouspensky reasons by analogy and comes to the idea that for "higher-dimensional beings", one or more dimension of time may turn into dimensions of space, making the reality seen in space more complete and limiting time to the part of reality not encompassed by the more immediate awareness of the being.

Confused · 11-29-2019, 06:11 AM

(11-29-2019, 05:24 AM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: I stumbled upon this, on page 48, looking around to see what's in this thread:

(07-23-2012, 08:39 AM)Confused Wrote: This post is for all those dear souls who take the time to check out this rambling thread, the so called The mysterious nature of time.

Time, for me, signified the ultimate mystery of existence, given how the past and its events has affected the present and how the present affects the future. The nature of time, I believe, is intimately connected with the concept of free will and to the general fear of the future that most humans possess, on this plane. This was brought home to me by the following very interesting and extremely cryptic quotes (for me) --

[...]

I've been thinking about various of the things you wrote back in 2012. Nice collection of quotes.

Below, in two parts, various thoughts that have been on my mind. May as well write it down somewhere, and why not here for a start?

The Logos and the nature of it all

There's two basic, very different explanations of "why?" for the world we live in, with its veiling and misunderstanding, why people are distracted and spiritually asleep, engaging in transient matters life after life while the sinkhole of indifference deepens and wars and suffering goes on.

One idea, that offered by Ra, is that of a Logos experimenting, trying something which happens here, but not everywhere else (or not even in most places): a greater veiling and separation between higher and lower awareness and focus, to encourage a more vivid and vigorous exploring and growth. It appears on the whole to be a failed experiment, as the picture of the future is that of a small harvest, most of humanity still stuck in the sinkhole of indifference.

A different idea, that offered by the Cassiopaeans, is that this is "The Matrix", into which souls were lured in order to trap them in a system which is designed to make them generate loosh for 4D STS to suck up, through inflicting suffering on one another while staying asleep and repeating the same pattern over and over, unable to learn and grow beyond it. War and loss, including mass madness and forgetting of what has been learned by prior generations, is in this explanation deliberately orchestrated by 4D STS.

The second idea is very appealing as an explanation, because it seems to fit what can be seen on Earth, while with the first idea, the good intentions behind the experiment are not possible to witness from this end of the veil. I'm not sure whether the full picture corresponds to either; it could be that Ra emphasized the elements agreeable to the 3D group spoken to, and that the Cassiopaeans zoom in on the negative elements of this world clearly in order to then offer a tainted solution.

A third type of explanation, that found in e.g. the Gnosis books of Boris Mouravieff, is a multi-dimensional view of the cosmos, where "God" or "the Absolute" has three distinct shapes at three distinct levels above this physical world, in a cosmos which branches out like a recursive definition, from unity, to higher planes, to individual beings, to inanimate matter.

The difference between that and Ra's view is that negativity enters at the level of the "Absolute III", in a way which corresponds to this world being closer to 4D STS than to 4D STO. In other words, this world is an example of a world which has branched out positively once, and then negatively after, leading to a physical world more negative than positive in its appearances; a world where life eats life in order to sustain itself, and proceeds in an ugly way by nature.

In such a world, the highest is pure, but difficult to access; the intermediate, further from the physical, is mixed-up and muddy, and those who truly develop may do so either positively or negatively. The physical is more negative than positive, while the opposite type of physical world is metaphorically more like the Christian Garden of Eden.

The "Absolute III", relative to where we are, has a "satanic" nature according to Mouravieff, while in more purely positive worlds, a different "Absolute III" of the opposite nature would be the more immediate Logos above. Regardless, the "Absolute II", several steps up in consciousness, is purely positive in its nature. (The opposite case for the "Absolute II" may correspond to the extremely negative worlds beyond our imagination referred to by Ra in a few places, the high-security spiritual prisons into which 5D STS would like to lure souls.)

Dimensions of time

Regarding the nature of time, the idea of multidimensional time was explored by Don Elkins - time as three-dimensional, together with three dimensional space, for six dimensions of space and time. P. D. Ouspensky, close to the time when World War I broke out, had similar ideas, but on a foundation which first developed from and then diverged from Theosophy.

Ouspensky's idea is that the first dimension of time is forward movement, as experienced; the second dimension, the infinite range of possibilities; the third dimension, an infinite line there to give "space" for infinite variations of developments to play out.

We can only "see" one dimension of time and think about the second and third, i.e. possibilities and alternative realities. But Ouspensky reasons by analogy and comes to the idea that for "higher-dimensional beings", one or more dimension of time may turn into dimensions of space, making the reality seen in space more complete and limiting time to the part of reality not encompassed by the more immediate awareness of the being.

Thank you very much for visiting, Asolsutsesvyl.

I hold on to the Law of One and the words of Ra as my only source of spiritual education. I gain, whatever little insights my brain can access, from the intricate words of Ra. As much as it illuminated me, the words also cast a veil of cynicism or pessimism on my entire being regarding the Creator and the nature and processes of creation.

I now try going about my spiritual life quietly and without much ado, for, at multiple junctions, it feels all is futile. May all beings be free of pain someday. Thank you.

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Asolsutsesvyl · 12-01-2019, 11:59 AM

(11-29-2019, 06:11 AM)Confused Wrote: Thank you very much for visiting, Asolsutsesvyl.

I hold on to the Law of One and the words of Ra as my only source of spiritual education. I gain, whatever little insights my brain can access, from the intricate words of Ra. As much as it illuminated me, the words also cast a veil of cynicism or pessimism on my entire being regarding the Creator and the nature and processes of creation.

I now try going about my spiritual life quietly and without much ado, for, at multiple junctions, it feels all is futile. May all beings be free of pain someday. Thank you.

I think the view of the universe, including the larger sense of something being terrible about it and life in it, may have to do with the dissonance between the nature of what's in the soul and the environment of Earth.

There's one quote about that and the "quiet horror" felt on Earth:

Quote:17.23 # Questioner: You spoke of the alleviation of karma being forgiveness. Are# are# I'm having a hard time phrasing this question. I think I'll have to come back to it. I'll ask this other question. Can you tell me why the Earth will be fourth-density positive instead of fourth-density negative after the cycle is complete since it seems that there is a greater negative population?

Ra: I am Ra. The Earth seems to be negative. That is due to the quiet, shall we say, horror which is the common distortion which those good or positively oriented entities have towards the occurrences which are of your space/time present. However, those oriented and harvestable in the ways of service to others greatly outnumber those whose orientation towards service to self has become that of harvestable quality.

As if the veil of life on Earth, when draped around a psyche which is "not of this world", gives rise to a distorted view of the whole, rooted in the difference between "here" and an unknown (on this side of the veil) "there".

I think the personal spiritual foundation, the teaching used on this level, matters less concerning this. As soon as the influence of the soul, through experience and/or spiritual learning, becomes large enough on the state of mind, the same effect results. I experienced much the same on the foundation developed in the Cassiopaea community (a foundation which I outgrew, now looking for the heart of the matter in the Law of One).

As for hope vs. futility, I feel that what really matters is something which extends perpendicularly to the line of linear time. Physical events are related to it, but mostly in a "thin" and symbolic way. The positive future, though connected to this world, seems to be of a different nature, and movement towards it only partially happens along the line of linear time, the most significant development taking place in different dimensions.

I also wanted to note that, though I can't really cover how, it's possible to largely move past the stage of quiet horror and into a larger and more positively experienced spiritual life, though it may be equally quiet and simple outwardly to the old.

Basically, something must inwardly motivate enough work of a kind which changes the basis of how inner life functions, to the extent that a gap is bridged, and when that happens, life changes under the direction of the larger mind beyond the conscious mind at this level. The only recommendation I can think of is to focus on and distill the ideals which motivate most, and see where they end up leading, however it happens.

Confused · 12-01-2019, 10:37 PM

(12-01-2019, 11:59 AM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote:
(11-29-2019, 06:11 AM)Confused Wrote: Thank you very much for visiting, Asolsutsesvyl.

I hold on to the Law of One and the words of Ra as my only source of spiritual education. I gain, whatever little insights my brain can access, from the intricate words of Ra. As much as it illuminated me, the words also cast a veil of cynicism or pessimism on my entire being regarding the Creator and the nature and processes of creation.

I now try going about my spiritual life quietly and without much ado, for, at multiple junctions, it feels all is futile. May all beings be free of pain someday. Thank you.

I think the view of the universe, including the larger sense of something being terrible about it and life in it, may have to do with the dissonance between the nature of what's in the soul and the environment of Earth.

There's one quote about that and the "quiet horror" felt on Earth:

Quote:17.23 # Questioner: You spoke of the alleviation of karma being forgiveness. Are# are# I'm having a hard time phrasing this question. I think I'll have to come back to it. I'll ask this other question. Can you tell me why the Earth will be fourth-density positive instead of fourth-density negative after the cycle is complete since it seems that there is a greater negative population?

Ra: I am Ra. The Earth seems to be negative. That is due to the quiet, shall we say, horror which is the common distortion which those good or positively oriented entities have towards the occurrences which are of your space/time present. However, those oriented and harvestable in the ways of service to others greatly outnumber those whose orientation towards service to self has become that of harvestable quality.

As if the veil of life on Earth, when draped around a psyche which is "not of this world", gives rise to a distorted view of the whole, rooted in the difference between "here" and an unknown (on this side of the veil) "there".

I think the personal spiritual foundation, the teaching used on this level, matters less concerning this. As soon as the influence of the soul, through experience and/or spiritual learning, becomes large enough on the state of mind, the same effect results. I experienced much the same on the foundation developed in the Cassiopaea community (a foundation which I outgrew, now looking for the heart of the matter in the Law of One).

As for hope vs. futility, I feel that what really matters is something which extends perpendicularly to the line of linear time. Physical events are related to it, but mostly in a "thin" and symbolic way. The positive future, though connected to this world, seems to be of a different nature, and movement towards it only partially happens along the line of linear time, the most significant development taking place in different dimensions.

I also wanted to note that, though I can't really cover how, it's possible to largely move past the stage of quiet horror and into a larger and more positively experienced spiritual life, though it may be equally quiet and simple outwardly to the old.

Basically, something must inwardly motivate enough work of a kind which changes the basis of how inner life functions, to the extent that a gap is bridged, and when that happens, life changes under the direction of the larger mind beyond the conscious mind at this level. The only recommendation I can think of is to focus on and distill the ideals which motivate most, and see where they end up leading, however it happens.

I also wanted to add that it seems so much of life is quantum and random that the archetype of 'The Wheel' from the tarot is resonating more and more powerfully within me these days.