Chemtrails again

[Crimson]

Today was a chemtrail day in the area I live. Weird thing, they had different thickness and overlapping one another. I never saw them this way before. Way too significant and obvious to not notice. As i look at the sky the dispersion is occurring very effectively and one can discern some blue sky behind this "veil".

[Nabil Naser]

Is it possible that these "chemtrails" are nothing but jet airplanes?
I must admit that I have not read much about them. But I have always assumed that they are military jets, doing their exercises, at different speeds.

Today was a chemtrail day in the area I live. Weird thing, they had different thickness and overlapping one another. I never saw them this way before. Way too significant and obvious to not notice. As i look at the sky the dispersion is occurring very effectively and one can discern some blue sky behind this "veil".

[Peregrinus]

These are not contrails. There is just too much proof now, including insiders like Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson saying Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped.

Some countries like Germany have admitted this. USA has not. The leaked name is "Geo-engineering", unnofficially to slow global warming by dumping heavy metals into the atmosphere to reflect the suns heat, but that is only the official story.

I could speak of the reality, but I might be construed a conspiracy theorist by masters of none

[Crimson]

I could speak of the reality, but I might be construed a conspiracy theorist by masters of none

Please let us know what you have discovered or the ideas you have.

At this point, many "conspiracy theories" are becoming conspiracy facts. And it is interesting to notice how in many forums when a person brings up "certain truths" attacks are imminent in one form or another by what it seems "sudden" (or not) new members that dispute via various techniques such comments, ideas, etc. in order to rest importance or deviate the ideas in one form or another.

I have seen these attacks when there were talks about the elite, chemtrails, capitalism vs communism, US Federal Reserve, 9/11, blah blah blah...

There is fear in the elite that "the little people" knows too much, so it seems. I have observed this behavior over and over to the point of saying that many of these trolls work full time jobs just posting everywhere they consider dangerous of spreading certain facts.

[Monica]

Please let us know what you have discovered or the ideas you have.

At this point, many "conspiracy theories" are becoming conspiracy facts.

I second that!

I have seen these attacks when there were talks about the elite, chemtrails, capitalism vs communism, US Federal Reserve, 9/11, blah blah blah...

There is fear in the elite that "the little people" knows too much, so it seems. I have observed this behavior over and over to the point of saying that many of these trolls work full time jobs just posting everywhere they consider dangerous of spreading certain facts.

That's an interesting idea. I wouldn't be surprised. And the same for alternative health info as well.

[unity100]

its also possible that some segment of the population have taken a disliking to these. and reacting strongly.

the paid troll/shill concept is real though. it was discovered that certain think thanks etc were employing such paid 'opinion-making' in various subjects. its absurd that its legal though.

[Phoenix]

the paid troll/shill concept is real though. it was discovered that certain think thanks etc were employing such paid 'opinion-making' in various subjects. its absurd that its legal though.

That IS nuts.

I looked at chemtrails but it doesn't apply to me enough to really have to.

Anyway, for me the jury is out on whether they exist (I really research before such decisions), but if they do then it's probably about a large ideological need to make people feel powerless and vulnerable to every disease going. Just a guess.

As for conspiracy theory, the only thing negative about it in my view is when it assigns the 'Illuminati' some god like infallibility power, who control EVERYTHING, never make mistakes, and are going to take over the world. That is by it's nature negative because it sucks hope out of the world. (Ra's reason given session 26)

However, something based on evidence even if it is in a conspiracy domain is called 'evidence'. Such as David Wilcock sciences which is based on the LOO.

[unity100]

the paid troll/shill concept is real though. it was discovered that certain think thanks etc were employing such paid 'opinion-making' in various subjects. its absurd that its legal though.

That IS nuts.

you dont believe that paid trolling/opinionmaking/grassroots movements exist ?

[native]

Phoenix - here is a link to a documentary you can watch online. It shows how elevated levels of aluminum and barium have showed up in the snow and soil at Mt. Shasta, coinciding with the appearance of chemtrails. It's all scientific.

My area is chemtrailed constantly and I hate them with a passion. I did something idiotic the other day and tasted the snow..they were spraying before a storm. It tasted horrible.

I'm starting to think that chemtrails may be linked to genetically modified seeds, which is a theory gaining ground. Monsanto has seeds that are modified to grow in soils with elevated levels of aluminum. They could be trying to render soil infertile with aluminum, offering their seeds as an answer, effectively having complete control over the food supply. Right now the resistant seeds are only limited to a few crops, but more could be on the way.

[Phoenix]

you dont believe that paid trolling/opinionmaking/grassroots movements exist ?

Actually, I meant it is nuts that it is legal. But now I think about it, of course it would be legal, because to stop opinion expressing would not be fair.

Anyway, thanks for the link, I won't be able to watch it for the next week because of studying deadlines.

It seems to me if you wanted to stop these chem/con trails then you would start a protest group in your area and bug your local senator about them?

[unity100]

i dont think that paid 'opinion shaping' should be legal.

the private interests (of telecom monopolies) even set up entire 'grassroots' movements with people that only existed in databases as members (fake 'members' through numerous sites) during the 2006 net neutrality war.

[Nabil Naser]

If I understand you correctly, then a person that is unfamiliar with a subject, and asks for clarification, is working for a sinister organization.
Did I get that right?

In this case, I have to assume that the right approach would be to accept what anyone says, without questioning. Otherwise, one may be labeled a troll, or worse.

Thanks for the advice. I now know how discuss things.

I could speak of the reality, but I might be construed a conspiracy theorist by masters of none

Please let us know what you have discovered or the ideas you have.

At this point, many "conspiracy theories" are becoming conspiracy facts. And it is interesting to notice how in many forums when a person brings up "certain truths" attacks are imminent in one form or another by what it seems "sudden" (or not) new members that dispute via various techniques such comments, ideas, etc. in order to rest importance or deviate the ideas in one form or another.

I have seen these attacks when there were talks about the elite, chemtrails, capitalism vs communism, US Federal Reserve, 9/11, blah blah blah...

There is fear in the elite that "the little people" knows too much, so it seems. I have observed this behavior over and over to the point of saying that many of these trolls work full time jobs just posting everywhere they consider dangerous of spreading certain facts.

[Phoenix]

i dont think that paid 'opinion shaping' should be legal.

the private interests (of telecom monopolies) even set up entire 'grassroots' movements with people that only existed in databases as members (fake 'members' through numerous sites) during the 2006 net neutrality war.

But if you were to make it illegal you would have to regulate the internet. And once you open that can of worms, in the current climate!

If I understand you correctly, then a person that is unfamiliar with a subject, and asks for clarification, is working for a sinister organization.
Did I get that right?

I have not thus far been labelled.

[unity100]

But if you were to make it illegal you would have to regulate the internet. And once you open that can of worms, in the current climate!

outlawing lobby corporations would do it. also, outlawing paying any private corporation or party to have them imitate supporters, create fake or real organizations by showing imitated/fake supporters, or set up organizations, fake, or real, that purport to be unlinked, unattached with the paying corporation/party.

[Crimson]

If I understand you correctly, then a person that is unfamiliar with a subject, and asks for clarification, is working for a sinister organization.
Did I get that right?

In this case, I have to assume that the right approach would be to accept what anyone says, without questioning. Otherwise, one may be labeled a troll, or worse.

Thanks for the advice. I now know how discuss things.

That is what I have observed in several websites and almost ALL online newspapers that now have "comments". Most of the insightful comments get buried among nonsense and trolling.

Take for example a famous "alternative" news/article site -I won't give the name since I am illustrating a point and I don't believe is necessary. There was a time that there were very insightful comments, ideas, dissecting possible facts in order to get closer to some truths, like 9/11, economics, elite...there were some posters that were obliterated by trolls, destroyed "BANG!!" no more...threats were common and many techniques used by trolls (paid, in my opinion) were used. Since the trolls were not winning, the site was changed to something aesthetically unpleasant and difficult to follow, ie: the comments --the most important part (equivalent to a forum); users banned, whereas the trolls got away with even death threats. Very drastic measures taken by an "alternative" news site.

I think it is good that we try to protect a site like this (bring4th) since the information is very important and the trolling techniques sophisticated.

I have noticed that you get upset and angry very easily. I hope you feel better now.

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I could speak of the reality, but I might be construed a conspiracy theorist by masters of none

Would be nice if you share what you know, if you wish. In a more metaphysical sense, do you think it has anything to do with reducing green ray from reaching earth?

Nowadays, there is a lot of talk about vit d deficiency and I wonder if these artificial screens prevents enough sun energy from reaching certain areas.

[Nabil Naser]

No my friend, I did not get upset or angry. But since there are only few of us who commented on this post, and I am the only person who asked for clarification, then your comment seemed to be directed at me.
And since I have never paid attention to this chemtrail phenomenon, I couldn't see why the quick label of troll.
Why else would you have brought up the subject? Frankly, It seemed quite odd, and specifically directed.

If I understand you correctly, then a person that is unfamiliar with a subject, and asks for clarification, is working for a sinister organization.
Did I get that right?

In this case, I have to assume that the right approach would be to accept what anyone says, without questioning. Otherwise, one may be labeled a troll, or worse.

Thanks for the advice. I now know how discuss things.

That is what I have observed in several websites and almost ALL online newspapers that now have "comments". Most of the insightful comments get buried among nonsense and trolling.

Take for example a famous "alternative" news/article site -I won't give the name since I am illustrating a point and I don't believe is necessary. There was a time that there were very insightful comments, ideas, dissecting possible facts in order to get closer to some truths, like 9/11, economics, elite...there were some posters that were obliterated by trolls, destroyed "BANG!!" no more...threats were common and many techniques used by trolls (paid, in my opinion) were used. Since the trolls were not winning, the site was changed to something aesthetically unpleasant and difficult to follow, ie: the comments --the most important part (equivalent to a forum); users banned, whereas the trolls got away with even death threats. Very drastic measures taken by an "alternative" news site.

I think it is good that we try to protect a site like this (bring4th) since the information is very important and the trolling techniques sophisticated.

I have noticed that you get upset and angry very easily. I hope you feel better now.

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I could speak of the reality, but I might be construed a conspiracy theorist by masters of none

Would be nice if you share what you know, if you wish. In a more metaphysical sense, do you think it has anything to do with reducing green ray from reaching earth?

Nowadays, there is a lot of talk about vit d deficiency and I wonder if these artificial screens prevents enough sun energy from reaching certain areas.

[Peregrinus]

Your assumption is partially correct. Chem trails actually kill more than two birds with one stone (pardon the pun), fulfilling several functions. Our dark brethren have desired to slow Mother's 4D activation so to enable them the time to complete their plans, and as such have been employing every means at their disposal. It will not be enough though to do so, however, for as Ra so eloquently stated, "The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour".

Light prevails; darkness is deteriorating. All is perfect.

[Gribbons]

I believe Peregrinus is correct, and it seems some high ranking officials are starting to speak out against it. Or at least one.
Follow the thread to aircrap.org

[Monica]

As for conspiracy theory, the only thing negative about it in my view is when it assigns the 'Illuminati' some god like infallibility power, who control EVERYTHING, never make mistakes, and are going to take over the world. That is by it's nature negative because it sucks hope out of the world. (Ra's reason given session 26)

Very good point and I agree totally! I know people who think every thunderstorm was engineered, every virus or natural disaster part of a sinister plan to eradicate the population...as though Nature can no longer ever have a storm on her own! And nothing we can do can ever change anything because 'they' have complete control.

This is a very bleak and defeatist attitude, and they don't realize they are feeding the very darkness they so fear.

Meanwhile, others smirk at all of it.

There is probably some truth to many of the conspiracy theories. But that doesn't mean we have to give in to them or are powerless to change anything.

[xlsander]

here in berlin germany the trails are seriously heavy - today is the first day not cloudy for a month or more for it was snowy and just bad winter weather - and whats the first thing i see every morning when there are no clouds?

planes crossing over the city leaving trails in a grid geometry and these lines then start to spread to eventually become a carpet of a layer of white / grayish something disconnecting the sun from direct contact with us down here

[native]

There is probably some truth to many of the conspiracy theories. But that doesn't mean we have to give in to them or are powerless to change anything.

I personally feel that the best way to create change is to awaken people to how controlled they are on the most basic of levels, rather than rant at them about all the crazy agendas. Sure we can't completely ignore certain agendas, but I think we need to focus on changing peoples paradigm about the self.

The elites have power because the general population is self-serving without really giving it much thought. All we do is talk about polarization, so to take away that power we have to change that polarization. People are so honed in on busying themselves with climbing the career ladder, chasing self-success and chasing material things to make their lives better. People are so involved with their cell phones that they barely look up from them to talk to those around them..or are too busy on Facebook posting meaningless details about their life, rather than learning or doing something constructive.

It's really all about what they tried to do in the 60's. We have to break down this self-serving consuming society and focus on helping and reconnecting with each other. If we steer people away from playing the negatives game, they're not enslaved and the negatives lose their polarity and influence.

I'm sure you know this, but I had to add it to the conversation.

[C-JEAN]

Hi, "clean air" fans !

About chemtrails:

Truck-trails, food-trails, chemtrails?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread651791/pg1

What in the world are they spraying?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K9rXydMmfw

Blue skies.

[unity100]

i bought an air purifier. tho the flat i am in almost always gets sea breeze and fresh air (occasionally strong winds), running it still made noticeable difference, even if i dont close the window.

i think anyone should acquire one. you cant imagine the filth it catches from the air, not to mention dust. (the electrostatic filter that gets various gases goes full black in a week, even in clean air).

one with hepa filter would do good. at least 1 dust collector filter (the usual plain filter to catch dust), 1 electrostatic filter (almost standard in all), 1 hepa filter (most important) should be there. if, you can get one with nano tio2 filter, that would be the cream on top of it. it can also filter gases like co . (actually active carbon filters do it too, i dont know if all hepas do it) however nano tio2 filter may emit rather high concentration of ions. if it does you just pluck the ultraviolet lightbulbs off and it turns off.

[Joseph326]

Has anyone tried using positive intent and law of attraction to change the unnatural cloudiness issue?

An example of what NOT to think when observing chemtrails (I have done this myself and seen the results...more of the same): "Wow, what a horrible amount of chemtrails they are spraying today. It seems like they never stop. I cant believe how polluted they are making the atmosphere, they could be putting anything out there to make us sick and control us. No wonder I'm always sick." Etc, etc.

OR

"Hey the sun just peeked out a bit. Boy do I love the sun. Thanks, Universe for letting me enjoy that. I cant wait to see it again. I'm so glad the earth provides clean air for us along with everything else we need. It is so awesome that it is enabling us to experience our every desire as we live on/with it. I am so thankful to my body for allowing me to experience life during this exciting and challenging time, and for being capable of keeping me healthy and removing toxins so that I can be of service in my own way."

Do we give our power to the dark things we are aware of? Or do we further encourage our bodies and the earth? Do we realize that our thoughts are directly linked to the health of our mind/body and that of Gaia as well?

Many conspiracies do turn out to have at least some truth to them, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with being open to all possibilities and learning new things. In our current density, it seems as if each new thing one is aware of presents an individual with a choice of how to respond and add their own creative energy. Do we create by attracting, allowing, and acting on that which we desire?

I have noticed less and less chemtrails in my area recently, and the ones I do notice do not disturb my life or outlook in any way. My attitude, health, and experiences are all of my own choosing. The world around us, just like any mirror, does not change until after we do.

[fairyfarmgirl]

In my area I do not see any chemtrails.

I spend most of my day imagining that I am ((Hugging)) the Earth-Gaia and the Sun and all of the Cosmos. Have you hugged your planet today? She is a sensitive Goddess that really loves hugs and responds as any Goddess would with Love. LOVE creates.

I Bless you all with Love.
fairyfarmgirl

[Crimson]

Not sure why these posts have turned to be such a big drama but OK...
I agree 100% that conspiracies that are based on fear and doom are of negative origin as Ra stated. However, I do not see anything wrong inquiring about such an obvious and prominent "show" as chemtrails --well studied by many people and of course given by some groups a fear/doom scenario (to be expected).

I find curious as to what is the origin of these planes and the purpose of releasing those trails that REMAIN in the sky (regular contrails dissipate in minutes). Especially so close to the point of Earth being fully 4d+ activated. Since when planes can make the sky white? --permanently...

If to think that there is an elite that its purpose is to enslave and propagate negativity is to think this is just a dark conspiracy theory, well that is basically what Ra said (even though they are not as strong as many conspiracy sites are trying to make us believe).

So there is a balance, and yes the green energy will reach earth no matter what in full absorption around the end of this year, so it seems...So this is good! This is positive!

However, I am still curious about things, without falling in the trap of fear and doom scenarios. Maybe awareness is good after all. At the same time, your positive oriented responses were extremely important as well.

[@ndy]

Crimson, the comment you make that regular contrails disappear in mins is where this all loses me.

I thought regular contrails depended on air conditions and altitude?

I've seen trails in the sky all my life sometimes they last sometimes they vanish straight away isn't this just to do with height of the plane, air temp and humidity and stuff.

I'm not saying this isn't real, as I duno either way. I find it hard to believe that all 'normal' contrails would behave the same, just look at the verity in cloud types for instance…. There all ‘water in the air’ but do all kinds of amazing things.

[Peregrinus]

Contrails may remain for a longer time than a few hours dependent upon the wind condition of the specific altitude. These are very different than chemtrails.

[Crimson]

Crimson, the comment you make that regular contrails disappear in mins is where this all loses me.

I thought regular contrails depended on air conditions and altitude?

I've seen trails in the sky all my life sometimes they last sometimes they vanish straight away isn't this just to do with height of the plane, air temp and humidity and stuff.

I'm not saying this isn't real, as I duno either way. I find it hard to believe that all 'normal' contrails would behave the same, just look at the verity in cloud types for instance…. There all ‘water in the air’ but do all kinds of amazing things.

My mistake. In the area I live they usually disappear within minutes. Chemtrails however, never do.

[Nabil Naser]

O.K

I have not paid attention to Chemtrails/contrails before, but you all write about it like it is a given fact.

Why? What proof do you have?

I am asking because it seems unreal to me. I really need some proof of some kind. Can you provide any?

It would be a terrible thing to continue believing in these terrible, fear causing ideas, without having some kind of proof.

What would be the point of being afraid of something that may not be real?

Please give me some proof of all this stuff that you are talking about. As a logical person, this is very important to me.

It is more important because it is being shared on this site. I have been reading and researching the Ra teachings for 25 years. If this is important to what Ra taught us, I would like to know about it.