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    10-02-2020, 02:42 PM
    (10-02-2020, 02:27 PM)Infinite Wrote: It makes sense for me to relate the yellow chakra to power, but it's a power within the group. That is why Ra related it to the ego, it's the settlement of the self-awareness third-density personality that identifies itself as a part of society. Although it seems to me that the most important ray is green (due to the vibration of the fourth density), they all need to be properly balanced.

    Does the yellow ray seem to be linked to the Magician archetype to anyone else?

    Might be super obvious to others.

    I've just been reading some discussions on here and it seems that yellow ray is linked to self-consciousness and willpower...... much like the Magician....
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    10-02-2020, 02:55 PM
    (10-02-2020, 02:42 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:
    (10-02-2020, 02:27 PM)Infinite Wrote: It makes sense for me to relate the yellow chakra to power, but it's a power within the group. That is why Ra related it to the ego, it's the settlement of the self-awareness third-density personality that identifies itself as a part of society. Although it seems to me that the most important ray is green (due to the vibration of the fourth density), they all need to be properly balanced.

    Does the yellow ray seem to be linked to the Magician archetype to anyone else?

    Might be super obvious to others.

    I've just been reading some discussions on here and it seems that yellow ray is linked to self-consciousness and willpower......  much like the Magician....

    Very perceptive. I would definitely say so, and in certain traditions the solar plexus is associated with the "solar self", which is akin to the "golden body" of the buddhists. The gold of the alchemists.

    The balance and achievement of the lower centers as Ra says is what awakens the adept, and this in many occult traditions is seen as the awakening of this golden form and typically considered centered in the solar plexus which is the usual seat of the yellow ray.
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    10-03-2020, 07:39 AM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2020, 07:40 AM by Infinite.)
    (10-02-2020, 02:42 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: Does the yellow ray seem to be linked to the Magician archetype to anyone else?

    Might be super obvious to others.

    I've just been reading some discussions on here and it seems that yellow ray is linked to self-consciousness and willpower......  much like the Magician....

    I studied little about archetypes in the material, because I will study traditional sources first. But when commenting on the symbols of one of the cards, Ra says that when the image of the serpent (kundalini) is drawn over the solar plexus chakra, the connotation is negative:

    Quote:93.21 QUESTIONER I’m at a loss to know the significance of the serpents that adorn the head of the entity on this drawing. Are they of Ra, and, if so, what do they signify?

    RA I am Ra. They are cultural in nature. In the culture to which these images were given the serpent was the symbol of wisdom. Indeed, to the general user of these images perhaps the most accurate connotation of this portion of the concept complexes might be the realization that the serpent is that which is powerful magically.

    In the positive sense this means that the serpent will appear at the indigoray site upon the body of the image figures. When a negative connotation is intended one may find the serpent at the solar plexus center.

    This is due to the fact that the negative path uses the lower triad to contact intelligent infinity through the indigo ray, negating the green and blue centers.
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    10-03-2020, 05:35 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2020, 09:39 PM by Louisabell.)
    Yes, I always thought of the yellow ray as the type of consciousness that considers the self in the context of its' society - familial, local, state, nation and global, therefore containing much information (imagine taking ALL of that away in considerations of the self, you're not left with much). In fact so much information is accumulated from the myraid of complex societies, that it is a common condition on this planet to have a squirrel type mind about it, or overactive ego that is very difficult to make still.

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    10-03-2020, 05:46 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2020, 05:49 PM by Louisabell.)
    Third ray mentations come quickly and are webbed like, where one thought is linked to many, and one can get drawn into elaborate thought patterns. Blue ray communication is different in that it comes out of stillness. It is more focused and channelled, and thoughts aren't always completed before communication commences, as the wisdom itself can be larger than the human brain to grasp all at once.

    I would imagine that strong physical acuity and vitality is somewhat unconscious and therefore a red-ray condition. It is not that it is lowly, but that it builds a good strong foundation for the self.
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    10-03-2020, 06:33 PM
    Ra does not relate yellow ray to ego. Ra relates blockage of yellow ray to ego.
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    10-03-2020, 06:51 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2020, 06:55 PM by Louisabell.)
    (10-03-2020, 06:33 PM)unity100 Wrote: Ra does not relate yellow ray to ego. Ra relates blockage of yellow ray to ego.

    Yes, I am saying it is a common condition for yellow ray to be in a state of blockage, as there is a lot of societal information to integrate and harmonise within the self.

    Quote:102.11 Questioner: Now, is there— the two areas then that the instrument can look to for curing this problem… I understand that the yellow-ray blockage problem has completely repaired, shall I say. If this is not correct, could you make suggestions on that, please?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.

    I don't see how will is specifically related to yellow ray, as will is employed in all rays.

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    10-03-2020, 08:14 PM
    Quote:I don't see how will is specifically related to yellow ray, as will is employed in all rays.

    Will is associated with yellow ray because free will is developed in third density, the density of the choice.
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    10-03-2020, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2020, 09:37 PM by Louisabell.)
    (10-03-2020, 08:14 PM)Jade Wrote:
    Quote:I don't see how will is specifically related to yellow ray, as will is employed in all rays.

    Will is associated with yellow ray because free will is developed in third density, the density of the choice.

    Ok, I think I understand what you are saying. Is it that we only come to exercise conscious freewill within the third ray because the unconscious red ray and subconscious/emotional orange ray is animalistic and therefore more acting out of instinct then as a free agent?

    I can see how this applies, but it raises more questions i.e. if we are to clear blockages from seratim red to violet, then how do we exercise our will to clear such blockages in rays that are pre-freewill? Actually this is an important question for me personally as orange ray has always been my weak point.

    There is the question of how will is employed in the higher rays, and I suppose it can be considered that third-ray always has an active role in directing the will with each higher ray working. Indeed third ray is necessary to allow the M/B/S entity to remain as a separate and cohesive individual consciousness while seated in the eternal unity that is.  

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    10-03-2020, 11:03 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2020, 11:06 PM by Louisabell.)
    More musings I had on yellow ray.

    Large portions of the human brain have been evolved for the purposes of mapping terrain. As hunter gatherers, the amount of terrain that needed to be covered in order to sustain the tribal life was massive. Over many many hours of traversing terrain the human brain builds an internal 3D model of the environment. From this model, this inner reflection of the external, the hunter/gatherer understands where she/he must go, the seasonal migratory patterns, where to find nourishment and then where to find safe rest.

    (Indeed there are accounts of westerners, who having spent time with African shepherds, were amazed at their ability to notice instantly when one of the animals in their very large herds went missing, and to know exactly which animal it was... no counting or tagging necessary. When the westerner asked the African shepherd how they did this, the shepherd turned back just as perplexed and asked - how can you not do this?)

    From the evolved human brain comes yellow ray consciousness, the starting place of abstract thought, leading to morality and considerations of self as a moral agent. No longer is one only concerned with if they are a viable entity, but also if one is a virtuous entity. Relationships are no longer only built on an instinctual "pack mentality" but on shared goals, interests and principles (these things not existing in a vacuum). In order to make sense of abstraction, it is overlaid on our internal mapping brain structures. Indeed third ray must act directly with those rays which precede it, while reaching towards the next ray up.

    And so third-ray is mapped out in our minds, but the terrain is one of value systems, with philosophical questions as landmarks and moral hazards littered about. As we progress through society, we find that the ground shifts beneath our feet, as ideals once held are thrown away, mountain peaks rise and fall into valleys. The map has no cohesion and many areas of dissonance. Trees that in previous seasons bore much fruit then shrivel up, new sources of sustenance must be found...

    The M/B/S entity blocked in yellow-ray is metaphorically like a confused animal, lost in the woods, in constant search for what is familiar and what is life-sustaining. And so to fully unblock this ray is akin to the metaphor of having finally stumbled out of the tree line of the forest, into the familar clearing place, were one's tribe welcomes them back with comfort, food and true rest (love).

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    10-03-2020, 11:43 PM
    (10-03-2020, 06:51 PM)Louisabell Wrote:
    Quote:102.11 Questioner: Now, is there— the two areas then that the instrument can look to for curing this problem… I understand that the yellow-ray blockage problem has completely repaired, shall I say. If this is not correct, could you make suggestions on that, please?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.

    I don't see how will is specifically related to yellow ray, as will is employed in all rays.

    Yellow is the density of realizing 'there are more entities than me'. In terms of yellow energy, it is being aware that more than one entity (in any density you are) exists, and you have relationships with them.

    With relationship, dont think like 'relationship with other humans' - this kind of relationship concept encompasses everything including relationships with other entities of the same density and social complex. Yellow makes the entity realize the relationships among the entities in its density. Ie, a human's relation to a house, to ground, air, earth, seasons, other people - everything.

    Therefore it is closely related to mind - thinking and understanding such relationships is a facility of the mind, and in each density's 3rd sub density, its faculties are used.

    And when the entity starts to see that there are other entities than itself in that given density, sees the relationships, there are two choices - accept everything as they are (love) and reject/control everything for its own benefit (self-love).

    Of course, this does not mean that a 4d entity in 2nd sub-density of 4d is oblivious to existence of other 4d entities. It is. But the 3rd subdensity awareness/energy is not manifested yet, so the understanding of the relationships of the density is not mature yet.

    So as seen above, yellow's opening is directly related to entities' choice in opening 4th chakra to everything in relation (yellow) to them. This unblocks yellow ray. Or rather, opening of yellow ray to everything opens yellow ray and puts 4th chakra active.

    Its basically 'Okay, there are so many things other than me. I will be good to everything and everyone'.

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    10-05-2020, 02:26 AM
    I'm taking my time to consider your response, Unity100, but in the interim I had the below question...

    (10-03-2020, 11:43 PM)unity100 Wrote: And when the entity starts to see that there are other entities than itself in that given density, sees the relationships, there are two choices - accept everything as they are (love) and reject/control everything for its own benefit (self-love).

    Indeed there is conscious choosing in the self-awareness that other-selves exist, however how do you square off the phenomena of people wanting very badly to be loving and empathetic, but just not finding themselves capable, having feelings of hostility instead?

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    10-05-2020, 08:25 AM
    (10-03-2020, 06:33 PM)unity100 Wrote: Ra does not relate yellow ray to ego. Ra relates blockage of yellow ray to ego.

    Ra referred to the center itself. He meant something like "the third blocked center". At least that's how I interpret it.

    Quote:The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center.
    (15.12)

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    10-05-2020, 12:24 PM
    (10-05-2020, 08:25 AM)Infinite Wrote:
    (10-03-2020, 06:33 PM)unity100 Wrote: Ra does not relate yellow ray to ego. Ra relates blockage of yellow ray to ego.

    Ra referred to the center itself. He meant something like "the third blocked center". At least that's how I interpret it.


    Quote:The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center.
    (15.12)

    My understanding here is the same as Unity100.  But maybe you are both right, if the Ego is yellow-ray then issues with our Ego will be blockages with the 3rd chakra.  When yellow-ray is balanced enough, our Ego is also balanced.  So this would mean that the goal is not to suppress the Ego, as many new age materials would present it, but to balance it.
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    10-05-2020, 12:32 PM
    Would the "balancing of the ego" be synonymous with the idea of "refinement of personality"?

    I have begun reading Edgar Cayce and his notion of personality seems to be much in line with ego.... though I am not sure if they could be called the same thing? Any thoughts?
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    10-05-2020, 06:24 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2020, 06:35 PM by Louisabell.)
    Orange and yellow ray are the rays of personal identity. It holds within these rays what you "feel" (emotional) yourself to be and who you are in the context of society. There is potential in these rays for an excessive preoccupation with "ownership" of one's personal identity or what Ra calls "possession", as below:

    Ra Wrote:32.14 Questioner: I just meant was it possible, say, for a green-ray… when we’re talking about green-ray activation and energy transfers, is it possible for a green-ray person who is primarily green-ray activation to vary on both sides of green ray a large or a small amount in energy activation, or does he stay primarily green-ray?

    Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the newness of material requested by you. It was unclear, for we thought we had covered this material. The portion covered is this: the green-ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green-ray energy transfer.
    The new material is this: once the green ray has been achieved, the ability of the entity to enter blue ray is immediate and is only awaiting the efforts of the individual. The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth. This will begin to activate the indigo ray.

    So as I see it, as soon as you start interpreting a situation as "what does this mean about me", then prana is pooled in that ray and cannot travel to green ray. (i.e. my sexual partner is so attractive, that must mean I'm also attractive, that makes me feel good... about myself). This is blockage. This is ego. This is suffering, for truly, any beauty is a reflection of the glory of God and ultimately transitory, so the belief that one can "own" the beauty of another or their own beauty, will only end in disappointment. This is attachment to maya.

    Ra says that STO entities only assign the minimal necessary energy to orange and yellow rays, which then allows larger portions of prana/energy to travel to green ray and upwards. As below:

    Ra Wrote:54.25 Questioner: Then it seems that those on the positive path as opposed to those on the negative path would have precisely the reciprocal objective in the first three rays; red, orange, and yellow. Each path would be attempting to utilize the rays in precisely opposite manners. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is partially and even substantially correct. There is an energy in each of the centers needed to keep the mind/body/spirit complex, which is the vehicle for experience, in correct conformation and composition. Both negative and positive entities do well to reserve this small portion of each center for the maintenance of the integrity of the mind/body/spirit complex. After this point, however, it is correct that the negative will use the three lower centers for separation from and control over others by sexual means, by personal assertion, and by action in your societies.

    Contrary-wise, the positively oriented entity will be transmuting strong red-ray sexual energy into green-ray energy transfers and radiation in blue and indigo and will be similarly transmuting selfhood and place in society into energy transfer situations in which the entity may merge with and serve others and then, finally, radiate unto others without expecting any transfer in return.

    Ra Wrote:54.31 Questioner: As this energy is absorbed by the energy centers at some point it is not only absorbed into the being but radiates through the energy center outwardly. I believe this begins with the blue center and, and also occurs with the indigo and violet? Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we would state that we had not finished answering the previous query and may thus answer both in part by stating that in the fully activated entity, only that small portion of instreaming light needed to tune the energy center is used, the great remainder being free to be channeled and attracted upwards.

    To answer your second question more fully we may say that it is correct that radiation without the necessity of response begins with blue ray although the green ray, being the great transitional ray, must be given all careful consideration, for until transfers of energy of all types has been experienced and mastered to a great extent, there will be blockages in the blue and indigo radiations.

    Again, the violet emanation is, in this context, a resource from which, through indigo, intelligent infinity may be contacted. The radiation thereof will not be violet ray but rather green, blue, or indigo depending upon the nature of the type of intelligence which infinity has brought through into discernible energy.

    The green-ray type of radiation in this case is the healing, the blue-ray the communication and inspiration, the indigo that energy of the adept which has its place in faith.

    Therefore, I imagine the unblocked and balanced STO only assigns energy necessary in orange and yellow ray, insomuch as they accept themselves as they are. They also understand their position in society enough to maintain themselves, while also acknowledging the circumstantial and transitory nature of their social status, thereby not allowing their status to dictate who they are (i.e. I can be rich one day, poor the next, it matters not, for it will not prevent me from doing service or from being the eternal being that I am).

    ....
    But, what about STS entities? Surely they are extremely preoccupied with orange and yellow ray. So if they are blocked, how do they progress? Well fortunately Gary asked that exact question to Q'uo:

    Q\uo - Saturday Meditation - September 7, 2019 - Wrote:Gary: Incidentally, I had questions about the orange and yellow ray also. First, a prelude: Is the full negative use of orange and yellow ray that includes separation and control from others, enslavement, manipulation, and so forth, is that a blockage of the orange and yellow rays?

    Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. This is a query which is not easy to identify what is blockage and what is not, for it depends upon the polarity of the entity so blocking. The entity of a positive nature who wishes to utilize the yellow and the orange energy centers in its polarization process, does well to open itself freely in the giving and receiving of such energies. If there is the blocking of any energy for any reason which results in the separation of the self from another self, then the positively oriented entity has reduced its ability to polarize in the positive sense.

    However, the negatively oriented entity will use such blockages to separate itself from other selves, and because separation and control are the key factors in the negative polarization, this type of blockage, then, serves the negatively oriented entity well, for it is able then to separate itself in a conscious fashion from another being, or other beings or situations, so that this separation allows it to engage in the control and manipulation of the entities or situation, thereby enhancing its ability to polarize in the negative sense.

    Is there a further query, my brother?

    Gary: Yes. Thank you. I understand that the negative path is a viable one, and that as Ra describes it, there is power in that falsity. But I don’t understand the physics of the energy movement. If the negative entity is blocking, intentionally, orange and yellow ray, how is it that they are drawing power through those centers, even to the point of making contact with Intelligent Infinity?

    Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am aware of your query, my brother. The negatively oriented entity will block the normal flow of orange- and yellow-ray energies to other individuals or groups in order that it might, in some fashion, gain a control of these individuals or groups’ own orange- and yellow-ray energies, and enhance its own energy system in this blockage and control of others. Then, this energy that is gained from others is able to be added to the negatively oriented entity’s orange and yellow-ray energy centers as they now become unblocked to function in their ability to control other selves.

    Is there another query, my brother?

    So in relating this to the brain mapping analogy I spoke on previously in another post, the STO entity is attempting to create a true and accurate model of his environment. The entity attempts to find the clearing in real life. The STS prefers to terraform the map to his own liking. Using bulldozers instead to make a clearing that will provide the comfort sought.

    Another analogy. Orange ray is often blocked in this life as authority figures use shaming tactics to modify children's behaviour. So think of a young-adult with self esteem issues. He wishes to compete in a running race, but knows he will probably come in second to a known competitor in the team who was faster in trials. This triggers in him feelings of inadequacy and frustration.

    The unpolarised entity would try to ignore and suppress such feelings, this just causing more tenseness in his body. He runs the race and is even slower than in the trials. He comes fourth.

    The STO entity will realise that this situation is emotionally triggering and asks himself why? He will connect with his feelings of inadequacy and frustration and comes to realise that its not about winning this race - that there are many races in life to face. He realises that he is responsible for these emotions, finds their true cause, and comes to forgive those misguided authority figures of his past and forgives himself for believing he was shameful in the first place. He then praises the competitor and the race for providing meaningful catalyst. He runs the race, but his placement is not important to him.

    The STS entity will find the situation unacceptable. He assesses the competitor for flaws. He realises the competitor is socially awkward and doesn't have many friends. The STS plans his attack. He puts on a friendly face and invites the competitor to a party the night before the race. At the party, he works to tempt and pressure the competitor to drink lots of alcohol in order for him to "relax", "fit in" and "impress the girls". The competitor, not used to alcohol, gets very drunk and shows up the next day looking very sick and dehydrated for the race. The STS entity pretended to be drinking alcohol, but remained sober and easily won the race. Any semblance of feeling inferior vanishes, he is feeling the opposite - superior. He then ostrasizes the sick competitor just for the initial threat to the self identity he first caused as final retribution. High off the power, the STS continues along the path of molding and manipulating the environment to reflect back to him what he wants to believe about himself.... and what is the ultimate "belief"?

    Ra Wrote:32.14 Questioner: I just meant was it possible, say, for a green-ray… when we’re talking about green-ray activation and energy transfers, is it possible for a green-ray person who is primarily green-ray activation to vary on both sides of green ray a large or a small amount in energy activation, or does he stay primarily green-ray?

    Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the newness of material requested by you. It was unclear, for we thought we had covered this material. The portion covered is this: the green-ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green-ray energy transfer.

    The new material is this: once the green ray has been achieved, the ability of the entity to enter blue ray is immediate and is only awaiting the efforts of the individual. The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth. This will begin to activate the indigo ray.
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    10-05-2020, 07:17 PM
    Wow, thank you Louisabell for that insightful post!!

    Lately I have begun to realize that I do have some blockage in my yellow/orange ray centers. Your words really resonate with me, so with that I thank you for typing all that up, as it is a huge help Smile
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    10-06-2020, 05:17 PM
    Louisabell, thank you for the detailed explanation, it gave confirmation to my intuition and perspective of the nature of the "energy centers" and their "functions."

    In addition to Louisabell's explanation and examples, I would like to share my analogy of this universal understanding.

    Basically STS likes to "rock the boat" and create a "playing field" for itself, a "synthetically manifested competition" per se, where it will ALWAYS "win."

    This stems from the weakness that reside within the STS entity and the reluctant to "look-within" themselves and conquer their "shadow."

    Therefore, the "shadow-self" manipulate and control other-selves to serve an "illusion" that the STS entity is "conquering" their weakness and becoming "stronger."

    A 3rd density example I can give, that most of us probably have seen over and over again.

    In a love relationship, one person (STS oriented) constantly plays the "victim card" to manipulate the perspective of their partner and others around them (friends,family.)

    Once the relationship is shattered/disconnected, the "blame" falls completely onto their partner and never themselves, this STS person leaves the relationship on a "high horse" with attitudes like "I can find better." "You don't worth my time." And a pattern of over-glorifying their exterior-materialistic "mask." tend to take place. (closing their green ray energy)

    Heavy make up, sexual-appeal clothing, manipulating and attracting more sexual partners/attention to themselves to gain a false sense of "self worth."

    Without reflecting on their own actions/wrongs, burying their shadow deeper and deeper into their subconscious.

    There is a quote from Carl Jung,
    "If you get rid of qualities[of the Shadow] that you don't like, by denying them, you become more and more unaware of what you are, you declare yourself more and more non-existent, and your devils will grow fatter and fatter." ~Carl Jung, Dream Analysis, Page 53.

    To simply put, Slyness, Manipulative, Controlling, Playing Coy, Victimizing, Exterior/materialistic attraction, Setting-up a "stage," etc. etc.

    Basically all the behaviors you see in the "bad guy" in any movies or stories, (of course they are exaggerated in cinema.)

    That is the "personas" and methodology of STS oriented people/entities.

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    10-06-2020, 09:45 PM
    @ sillypumpkins, hey that's cool, it's my absolute pleasure, and a big learning experience for me to.

    @J.W. What a wonderful Jung quote to add to the conversation! Thankyou. Also, I like your analogy. Yes, the STS personality is built on lies. The further belief that changing one's external environment will "fix" the self, is also false. But there are those that empower their false personality enough, that they may progress with it.

    As for those that play the victim. I think careful discernment needs to be used to decide whether that person truly believes they are a victim (in a paranoid confusion), or if they are deceptively pretending to be a victim while secretly feeling empowered (i.e. false accusation).

    The analogy you wrote could be decribing a person with borderline personality disorder, a disorder which causes the person to split into intense over-valuation (you're my saviour) and then intense devaluation (you're the cause of all my problems). This is generally caused from childhood trauma. It is up to the BPD person to either move more towards truth (therapy, healing, understanding their condition) OR allow the condition to empower STS polarization via more and more manipulation, thereby leaving the "carnage in the wake".
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    In order for a part of the Creator to play STS it needs other parts to play the victim.
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    (10-06-2020, 05:17 PM)J.W. Wrote: A 3rd density example I can give, that most of us probably have seen over and over again.

    In a love relationship, one person (STS oriented) constantly plays the "victim card" to manipulate the perspective of their partner and others around them (friends,family.)

    Once the relationship is shattered/disconnected, the "blame" falls completely onto their partner and never themselves, this STS person leaves the relationship on a "high horse" with attitudes like "I can find better." "You don't worth my time." And a pattern of over-glorifying their exterior-materialistic "mask." tend to take place. (closing their green ray energy)

    Heavy make up, sexual-appeal clothing, manipulating and attracting more sexual partners/attention to themselves to gain a false sense of "self worth."

    Without reflecting on their own actions/wrongs, burying their shadow deeper and deeper into their subconscious.
    ...
    To simply put, Slyness, Manipulative, Controlling, Playing Coy, Victimizing, Exterior/materialistic attraction, Setting-up a "stage," etc. etc.

    The above seems to me to be an example of "soft" or default STS behavior. What I mean by that is this description is not someone who is serious about the STS path, but more an example of imbalance in my opinion. To be clear, I take it this is referring to women and how they manipulate men. The woman who acts in this manner could be operating out of powerlessness hence the bravado, rather than with the power of a dedicated STS practitioner. I think there are many people who fall into this default STS behavior as a self-protecting mechanism, or because they are emotionally immature.

    I have known a few serious STS individuals in the business world. These are (men; I haven't come across any women as entrenched) who are utterly confident, justified in their behaviors with no excuses or bravado, capable in the extreme, wielding power over groups of people like they were born to do it, and the role they play is one of action. They embody the role so completely it creates a kind of justification in itself. Let's be clear that they are also cold-hearted. I find it interesting to observe. And I think there is something to learn from this behavior—focus, action, being proactive.

    I don't think it serves us to demonize STS individuals. And as far as the kind of emotionally immature individual described in the above love relationship, it must be considered why anyone would even be attracted to such a person—who may be vain, self-interested, a self-professed victim, manipulative, "fake"—and this would be a consideration to ponder. There is something to learn on both sides of such a relationship, or any and all relationships.
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    10-07-2020, 05:11 PM
    Louisabell and Diana,

    Louisabell, you are 100% correct! from my understanding, the behavior stem from childhood traumas. I admit that the example I gave was not a solid one due to the nature of it could be "unintentional."

    To clarify the example, I was pointing out that the "beginning" stage of the "snowball effect" or "slippery slope" can start from such example.

    I do want to correct my self on the hastiness of labeling an individual as STS based on that example, I should have said something along the line of
    "pre-sts."

    I believe that without proper (healing, therapy, and proper understanding.) this disorder manifest into full blown STS in the long run.


    Dianna, you are correct, and I agree with the "soft" behavior you described. Similar to what I said to Louisabell, It is not "full blown STS" but a pre-condition that could lead to full STS behavior if the individual do not address their imbalance.

    STS individuals you described in the business world is definitely full fledged, but again, it is the business world after all. So I don't find that surprising.


    Lastly, A person who is "seeking" a love relationship with someone that possess the traits you mentioned might not have done so intentionally. Now if we are talking about someone that purposely seeking drug addicted mates for a love relationship, that would be a different story.

    The example I set above falls along the line of more "common" intimate relationships where one partner didn't "know" about the hidden behaviors the other person have, especially if the other partner has the tendency to "blame" consistently, creating confusion and discord.

    This matter also goes both ways, a male partner can also play the victim card and blame the other person, then exhibit similar behaviors after the relationship.

    To summarize, and re-conclude what I stated from the comment before.

    The examples I set and the quote above from Jung is to explain the early "on-set" of STS orientation in a individual.

    I think the cases of people reincarnate as STS entity from birth is rare.

    But the "polarization" of a person towards STS due to their lack of proper therapy, healing, and understanding like Louisabell have mentioned, and also the lack of "self-reflection/awareness" of their "shadow" is much more common in the general population.
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    10-07-2020, 07:22 PM (This post was last modified: 10-07-2020, 07:53 PM by Infinite Unity.)
    (10-03-2020, 06:51 PM)Louisabell Wrote: [quote='unity100' pid='283212' dateline='1601764413']
    Ra does not relate yellow ray to ego. Ra relates blockage of yellow ray to ego.



    Quote:102.11 Questioner: Now, is there— the two areas then that the instrument can look to for curing this problem… I understand that the yellow-ray blockage problem has completely repaired, shall I say. If this is not correct, could you make suggestions on that, please?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.



    True things exist beyond and without the illusion. Will power is not generated in yellow ray. Rather communicated/tapped into from yellow ray. The Creator is The One and Only True Generator. “I am not the doer, The Tao is the doer”.

    In the True Reality all things that are a derivative of Truth, falls away. (0)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. Love is the mysterious “how” to the creator making Infinity. Where the Roots or Truths were able to “procreate”/sub divide through combinations. These Truths are literal mysteries that predated the illusion, and are the components of All Things. Will is One of Those.

    Will power is not generated but finds its seat of experience in yellow ray. Due to a subtle but dramatic, immersion into self-cognizance/awareness. Prior to yellow ray/third density entities are far less self aware, and tend to come into awakening/potentiating self awareness through experiences.Yellow ray is where multiplicity begins to truly exist for the entity. Due to multiplicity being dependent on the entity believing/seeing/(experiencing) who they “are” here. Which ironically is by others believing. Through this association, One can therefore begin to reveal/realize how others reinforce/propel your thought of “you”, and where the real line of “you”! You. Can begin to be explored.
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    10-11-2020, 12:21 PM
    (10-07-2020, 07:06 AM)Patrick Wrote: In order for a part of the Creator to play STS it needs other parts to play the victim.

    Yes, but among STS individuals, the victim sometimes chooses that role, so it has a path to future power.

    I was watching an interview this morning about someone from hollywood and they said they were pitching a movie script, and the person they were pitching it too said to name who should be the actress. They said a name and the person said they slept with them already, name another one. Then the guy names another one and then calls over a female legal aid and says "if you were a guy you would f*** her right." The legal aid laughed and said she wouldn't even need to be a guy. The legal aid could have went to work a law firm and made millions in her career, but instead chose to be abused by this hollywood insider so she would have power in the future.

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    (10-05-2020, 12:24 PM)Patrick Wrote: My understanding here is the same as Unity100.  But maybe you are both right, if the Ego is yellow-ray then issues with our Ego will be blockages with the 3rd chakra.  When yellow-ray is balanced enough, our Ego is also balanced.  So this would mean that the goal is not to suppress the Ego, as many new age materials would present it, but to balance it.
    sillypumpkins Wrote:Would the "balancing of the ego" be synonymous with the idea of "refinement of personality"?

    I have begun reading Edgar Cayce and his notion of personality seems to be much in line with ego.... though I am not sure if they could be called the same thing? Any thoughts?

    I think most people have an unbalanced idea of what the ego is. It should be remembered that the modern concept of ego did not really exist until Freud. While ego is usually associated with someone who is "egotistical", self aggrandizing, thinks too highly of themselves, etc. We view ego negatively because we associate it with self centered behaviors and personality traits.

    My understanding is that the ego is the part of the personality that we create to interface with third density reality in our present incarnation. We may live multiple lives but each life would have a distinct ego, all of which develop and change over that life. You cannot dissolve the ego, because the true self is much too large to be limited by our present illusion. Which is why it creates the ego in the first place.

    Louisabell Wrote:Ok, I think I understand what you are saying. Is it that we only come to exercise conscious freewill within the third ray because the unconscious red ray and subconscious/emotional orange ray is animalistic and therefore more acting out of instinct then as a free agent?

    I can see how this applies, but it raises more questions i.e. if we are to clear blockages from seratim red to violet, then how do we exercise our will to clear such blockages in rays that are pre-freewill? Actually this is an important question for me personally as orange ray has always been my weak point.

    There is the question of how will is employed in the higher rays, and I suppose it can be considered that third-ray always has an active role in directing the will with each higher ray working. Indeed third ray is necessary to allow the M/B/S entity to remain as a separate and cohesive individual consciousness while seated in the eternal unity that is.

    It occurred to me reading this that you, myself, and others may make a mistake. We focus so much on the rays and densities here that I think we sometimes place too much emphasis on them, and attribute too much to those rays.

    The densities and chakra are energetic structures which are created as a means of manifesting the creator in various ways. The Creator formed the densities and Chakra. We are part of the Creator. We can exist whether or not the chakras or densities exist. The self is not the chakras or rays, and that is why we can effect the chakras and rays with our Will. So Will is a faculty of the self which is an individuated part of the Creator.

    Yellow ray has its associations with power, energy, and society. Since the rays can be viewed as generating the reality we experience our will can be associated with the part of reality which most closely aligns to how the will is used. But the correspondence does not mean that Will did not exist until third density, or is in any way generated by third density, yellow ray.
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    Such is a more accurate mathematical description of the energetic notion of the individual self in 3D, prior to the heart and upper chakra opening and working. The emotional, sacral, subconscious part exists as a function of the red and yellow primary rays.

    The yellow corresponds to the notion of the self, the identity taught to you by society. Who you are, what you do, what you should and should not: these taught things relate to the yellow, social ray.

    Naturally, the root is of primal importance as it is primarily responsible for your current "software" of expression — your body of variable physicality. What you eat and drink; the hormones on your bloodstream, the minerals, vitamins and so on.

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    (10-05-2020, 12:32 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: Would the "balancing of the ego" be synonymous with the idea of "refinement of personality"?

    I have begun reading Edgar Cayce and his notion of personality seems to be much in line with ego.... though I am not sure if they could be called the same thing? Any thoughts?

    Sure; disciplines in personality really opens up a plethora of possibilities for an entity's evolution.
    Quote:Therefore, the use of technology to manipulate that outside the self is far, far less of an aid to personal evolution than the disciplines of the mind/body/spirit complex resulting in the whole knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm.
    To the disciplined entity, all things are open and free. The discipline which opens the universes opens also the gateways to evolution.

    Quote:and his notion of personality seems to be much in line with ego....
    excellent question. Hmmm, I think of the personality as the acting agent by which the Creator can manifest through and the ego as something that is closely related to 3rd density BUT I feel it too can evolve to a higher manifestation through acts of Will and discipline. That is a great question. It's got me thinkin'.
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