11-12-2020, 02:33 AM
RE: [split] Mystery Schools and Initiation
I have a LOT of questions(please bare with me my post might get a little big), confusion, and quite a few biases and distortions when it comes to the topic, and this thread looks to have the right people with some actual firsthand experience and knowledge that could help me clear a few things up. I'm going to be candid on how I feel about some things and why(and I'm sorry it won't all necessarily be sunshine and rainbows), but I'm not here to soapbox. I genuinely acknowledge my own ignorance. I'm just here hoping to get a clearer perspective, and put to rest some of these possible personal misconceptions that are bothering me morally, intellectually, and emotionally about the topic of mystery schools.
First, the more or less objective and neutral part. My actual level of knowledge, familiarity, and experience with mystery schools and occult traditions. Admittedly, not much. Myself and my family do not have any(visible, direct, that I know of) ties to any sort of mystery schools. They have never been a direct presence in my life. I had an interesting 6th grade teacher, looking back with what I know now, where there seemed to be odd indicators that he could possibly have ties to that sort of thing. On these forums when I started posting earlier this year, I have private messaged by a member who never used the account for any other purpose, and I won't go into long detail unless asked(I can talk about it in PM)-who said and knew some pretty profound things to me in a way only a real adept could, that makes me believe this was probably such a person. They seemed excited to open a dialogue, but then never responded again.(In, excuse me for what's maybe my ignorance, what I see as their typical, annoyingly fickle and aloof fashion).
In my own seeking, besides the Law of One/Ra material, I have studied a bit of the mysteries over the past few years, mainly Manly P. Hall's " The Secret Teachings of All Ages", and recently, The Kybalion and Emerald Tablets of Hermes. I've also read the late 19th/early 20th century books "A Dweller on Two Planets" and "An Earth Dweller's Return" which deal with Atlantis and reincarnation, but which seem to be pretty closely inline with cosmology and philosophy of more "mainstream" occult materials and the Law of One.
Every spiritual advancement I've made in my life has come from looking within, from spontaneous openings/inherent "gifts" and wanderer stuff, and from some openings that were hard and well earned from actually processing catalyst and using life and observations/experiences to evolve my own perspective. There is none of that at any point in my life that I can(knowingly) attribute to the guidance, protection, or teaching of any mystery school. Such a thing was absent in my life, although there are many times such a community could have been helpful and would have made my life easier growing up.
Even without any direct intervention, there were times when I really could have used some psychic help, a little ministry and healing and comfort/encouragement, and most of all, some protection. There are times as a ten to twelve year old child that I suffered the most brutal and debilitating psychic attacks imaginable. It was a mental/emotional/spiritual/existential hell I wouldn't wish on anyone, no matter how bad a person they were. It still sometimes leaves me wondering how the creator can even be love if it's possible to feel things as horrible as I did, especially doing that to a child. Where were these wonderful mystery schools(or these "good ET's" for that matter, but that's a different topic) when I needed them most? Absent.
That's how it seems to be for anyone not "initiated" into one of their little secret clubs-unworthy. Unworthy of support, of protection, and 100% deserving of every ill that comes their way, by nature of their distortion and impurity. In the Kybalion, it talks of not casting "pearls before swine". Is that how these mystery schools view the masses of other-selves that cohabitate this planet with them, and are also the creator? I could maybe see calling those dedicated to the STS path "swine", but really, the uninitiated masses, struggling valiantly in the dust with their own catalyst, having been caught in the maelstrom without the PRIVILLEGE or opportunity, to know the right people and have the right connections to train for initiation into a mystery school from an early age...the majority of the Earth population, including all the wanderers outside the sphere of influence of these schools, all of those people are unworthy swine?
I really hope that's not how they view their other selves, otherwise they might as well look in the mirror if they want to see "unworthy swine", in my opinion. Anyone with firsthand experience or interactions with mystery schools, do you know where they stand and how they feel about humanity in general, the "uninitiated masses"? Do they have a heart felt love, and feel a humanitarian obligation to their other-selves, or do they feel superior/elite? Are their principles and ethics really based on the heart, on love, or do they have a cold/intellectual/mechanistic code of conduct on what the "Right Hand Path" means to them? I'd like to be wrong, and correct me if I am, but it seems to me to be more the latter, and not much from the heart.
I'm really hoping these are just my misconceptions, otherwise, these mystery schools are actually part of the problem, and they are not worthy of any praise or veneration, and certainly not worthy of any of the occult knowledge they possess.
The next question. What do they actually do to uplift humanity? I get that it's probably not something so visible. Maybe they are dedicatedly sending out love and light, working with people in dream states, tweaking morphic fields, and working for the most part in ways that aren't visible or acknowledged, but nonetheless vital, expecting no praise? I really hope so. To me, the world just seems such a messed up place, that if there really people working for good behind the scenes, they must not be having much success.
It seems that maybe these mystery schools take themselves way too seriously and judge the rest of the world way too harshly, when they really don't do much for humanity besides admire the smell of their own farts and pass judgment on the impurity and unworthiness of everyone else, while those unworthy masses bust their buts down in the trenches of the maelstrom dealing with rough catalyst and a societal system rigged against them with no help, guidance or support from the world of "secretive little self-important clubs". Also, while wanderers come down and bust their butts in the same conditions with the same lack of support from these mystery schools.
I'd really like to be wrong about this, and that these people are better than I'm giving them credit for. Those with direct experience, how does your conception vary from mine? Do you feel with certainty that these mystery schools are seriously dedicated to the upliftment of humanity, rather than elitism, judgment, and self-righteous vanity? How do they view the general population, and how do they view wanderers?
It seems to me that maybe they would not only have an apathy, but develop a disdain for wanderers, especially those outside the scope of their membership/influence. Wanderers, with our natural and spontaneous openings into higher knowledge, other dimensions, and other natural gifts and affinities that to the mystery schools would be seen as things which are "earned" diligently and with great discipline and the approval of some authority-having met their conditions(yada yada yada), would perhaps be seen as unworthy and even dangerous?
To me, I understand the danger in spiritual progression, spontaneous openings, and things generally of a magical nature where there is a lack of experience or vibration required to handle it properly, but on the flip side, I also believe that a person's magical personality is not some privilege one earns from a school or authority figure, but actually every sentient being's birthright, and up to each individual to be responsible for the way they approach it, without needing the judgment, approval, or initiation of some authority figure or school. It seems to me that some of these mystery schools might not feel that way. How can this be reconciled for the benefit of humanity?
Yahweh tried giving knowledge to the hands of an elect few and withholding it from the rest of the general "swine". How did that work out? It's an abject lesson that exclusionism, secrecy, and putting all the "goods" in the hands of an elect few while withholding it from everyone else, and then expecting that elect few to do the right thing...none of this works. All it does is lay the groundwork for negative influence and elitist distortions which snowball into the kind of full-blown tyranny we experience here on Earth.
So, those of you more familiar with mystery schools-how far off the actual mark am I, and why? Do there motives and principles come from the heart, from genuine green ray love, or is it all just sort of like this big, impersonal "by the book" deal, this sort of cold and intellectual adherence to some set of rules and dogmas?
While I intellectually understand the need in some instances for secrecy, I don't like it. My heart doesn't agree. If I, let's say, miraculously got rid of enough distortions by tomorrow morning for one of these guys to show up at my door and initiate me(I know that's probably now quite how it works, but for example)...I would probably have to turn them down out of my own principles and integrity and feelings from the heart, because I'd feel so shamefully bad and guilty of being on the "inside" of that world and receiving its benefits, while other-selves just as worthy as me were turned away, ignored, left to suffer in the maelstrom because they don't quite "make the cut". Surely that sentiment doesn't make me an unenlightened churl, or some unworthy swine?
I have a LOT of questions(please bare with me my post might get a little big), confusion, and quite a few biases and distortions when it comes to the topic, and this thread looks to have the right people with some actual firsthand experience and knowledge that could help me clear a few things up. I'm going to be candid on how I feel about some things and why(and I'm sorry it won't all necessarily be sunshine and rainbows), but I'm not here to soapbox. I genuinely acknowledge my own ignorance. I'm just here hoping to get a clearer perspective, and put to rest some of these possible personal misconceptions that are bothering me morally, intellectually, and emotionally about the topic of mystery schools.
First, the more or less objective and neutral part. My actual level of knowledge, familiarity, and experience with mystery schools and occult traditions. Admittedly, not much. Myself and my family do not have any(visible, direct, that I know of) ties to any sort of mystery schools. They have never been a direct presence in my life. I had an interesting 6th grade teacher, looking back with what I know now, where there seemed to be odd indicators that he could possibly have ties to that sort of thing. On these forums when I started posting earlier this year, I have private messaged by a member who never used the account for any other purpose, and I won't go into long detail unless asked(I can talk about it in PM)-who said and knew some pretty profound things to me in a way only a real adept could, that makes me believe this was probably such a person. They seemed excited to open a dialogue, but then never responded again.(In, excuse me for what's maybe my ignorance, what I see as their typical, annoyingly fickle and aloof fashion).
In my own seeking, besides the Law of One/Ra material, I have studied a bit of the mysteries over the past few years, mainly Manly P. Hall's " The Secret Teachings of All Ages", and recently, The Kybalion and Emerald Tablets of Hermes. I've also read the late 19th/early 20th century books "A Dweller on Two Planets" and "An Earth Dweller's Return" which deal with Atlantis and reincarnation, but which seem to be pretty closely inline with cosmology and philosophy of more "mainstream" occult materials and the Law of One.
Every spiritual advancement I've made in my life has come from looking within, from spontaneous openings/inherent "gifts" and wanderer stuff, and from some openings that were hard and well earned from actually processing catalyst and using life and observations/experiences to evolve my own perspective. There is none of that at any point in my life that I can(knowingly) attribute to the guidance, protection, or teaching of any mystery school. Such a thing was absent in my life, although there are many times such a community could have been helpful and would have made my life easier growing up.
Even without any direct intervention, there were times when I really could have used some psychic help, a little ministry and healing and comfort/encouragement, and most of all, some protection. There are times as a ten to twelve year old child that I suffered the most brutal and debilitating psychic attacks imaginable. It was a mental/emotional/spiritual/existential hell I wouldn't wish on anyone, no matter how bad a person they were. It still sometimes leaves me wondering how the creator can even be love if it's possible to feel things as horrible as I did, especially doing that to a child. Where were these wonderful mystery schools(or these "good ET's" for that matter, but that's a different topic) when I needed them most? Absent.
That's how it seems to be for anyone not "initiated" into one of their little secret clubs-unworthy. Unworthy of support, of protection, and 100% deserving of every ill that comes their way, by nature of their distortion and impurity. In the Kybalion, it talks of not casting "pearls before swine". Is that how these mystery schools view the masses of other-selves that cohabitate this planet with them, and are also the creator? I could maybe see calling those dedicated to the STS path "swine", but really, the uninitiated masses, struggling valiantly in the dust with their own catalyst, having been caught in the maelstrom without the PRIVILLEGE or opportunity, to know the right people and have the right connections to train for initiation into a mystery school from an early age...the majority of the Earth population, including all the wanderers outside the sphere of influence of these schools, all of those people are unworthy swine?
I really hope that's not how they view their other selves, otherwise they might as well look in the mirror if they want to see "unworthy swine", in my opinion. Anyone with firsthand experience or interactions with mystery schools, do you know where they stand and how they feel about humanity in general, the "uninitiated masses"? Do they have a heart felt love, and feel a humanitarian obligation to their other-selves, or do they feel superior/elite? Are their principles and ethics really based on the heart, on love, or do they have a cold/intellectual/mechanistic code of conduct on what the "Right Hand Path" means to them? I'd like to be wrong, and correct me if I am, but it seems to me to be more the latter, and not much from the heart.
I'm really hoping these are just my misconceptions, otherwise, these mystery schools are actually part of the problem, and they are not worthy of any praise or veneration, and certainly not worthy of any of the occult knowledge they possess.
The next question. What do they actually do to uplift humanity? I get that it's probably not something so visible. Maybe they are dedicatedly sending out love and light, working with people in dream states, tweaking morphic fields, and working for the most part in ways that aren't visible or acknowledged, but nonetheless vital, expecting no praise? I really hope so. To me, the world just seems such a messed up place, that if there really people working for good behind the scenes, they must not be having much success.
It seems that maybe these mystery schools take themselves way too seriously and judge the rest of the world way too harshly, when they really don't do much for humanity besides admire the smell of their own farts and pass judgment on the impurity and unworthiness of everyone else, while those unworthy masses bust their buts down in the trenches of the maelstrom dealing with rough catalyst and a societal system rigged against them with no help, guidance or support from the world of "secretive little self-important clubs". Also, while wanderers come down and bust their butts in the same conditions with the same lack of support from these mystery schools.
I'd really like to be wrong about this, and that these people are better than I'm giving them credit for. Those with direct experience, how does your conception vary from mine? Do you feel with certainty that these mystery schools are seriously dedicated to the upliftment of humanity, rather than elitism, judgment, and self-righteous vanity? How do they view the general population, and how do they view wanderers?
It seems to me that maybe they would not only have an apathy, but develop a disdain for wanderers, especially those outside the scope of their membership/influence. Wanderers, with our natural and spontaneous openings into higher knowledge, other dimensions, and other natural gifts and affinities that to the mystery schools would be seen as things which are "earned" diligently and with great discipline and the approval of some authority-having met their conditions(yada yada yada), would perhaps be seen as unworthy and even dangerous?
To me, I understand the danger in spiritual progression, spontaneous openings, and things generally of a magical nature where there is a lack of experience or vibration required to handle it properly, but on the flip side, I also believe that a person's magical personality is not some privilege one earns from a school or authority figure, but actually every sentient being's birthright, and up to each individual to be responsible for the way they approach it, without needing the judgment, approval, or initiation of some authority figure or school. It seems to me that some of these mystery schools might not feel that way. How can this be reconciled for the benefit of humanity?
Yahweh tried giving knowledge to the hands of an elect few and withholding it from the rest of the general "swine". How did that work out? It's an abject lesson that exclusionism, secrecy, and putting all the "goods" in the hands of an elect few while withholding it from everyone else, and then expecting that elect few to do the right thing...none of this works. All it does is lay the groundwork for negative influence and elitist distortions which snowball into the kind of full-blown tyranny we experience here on Earth.
So, those of you more familiar with mystery schools-how far off the actual mark am I, and why? Do there motives and principles come from the heart, from genuine green ray love, or is it all just sort of like this big, impersonal "by the book" deal, this sort of cold and intellectual adherence to some set of rules and dogmas?
While I intellectually understand the need in some instances for secrecy, I don't like it. My heart doesn't agree. If I, let's say, miraculously got rid of enough distortions by tomorrow morning for one of these guys to show up at my door and initiate me(I know that's probably now quite how it works, but for example)...I would probably have to turn them down out of my own principles and integrity and feelings from the heart, because I'd feel so shamefully bad and guilty of being on the "inside" of that world and receiving its benefits, while other-selves just as worthy as me were turned away, ignored, left to suffer in the maelstrom because they don't quite "make the cut". Surely that sentiment doesn't make me an unenlightened churl, or some unworthy swine?