Disclosure

[isis]

i still think it means exactly what it says: that grasping is not of this density. it's definitely possible to grasp the fact they're things we cannot grasp in this density.

I agree. Many times they asked pardon for using "the misnomer": http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=misnomer

damn u missed my edit. there are things! there are!

[zenmaster]

i still think it means exactly what it says: that grasping is not of this density. it's definitely possible to grasp the fact they're things we cannot grasp in this density.

I agree. Many times they asked pardon for using "the misnomer": http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=misnomer

Yes, so when they say one must understand... - what type of understanding is that. Geez, this is like pulling teeth

[isis]

i still think it means exactly what it says: that grasping is not of this density. it's definitely possible to grasp the fact there are things we cannot grasp in this density.

I agree. Many times they asked pardon for using "the misnomer": http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=misnomer

Yes, so when they say one must understand... - what type of understanding is that. Geez, this is like pulling teeth

hahaha "this is like pulling teeth" my lit teacher would always say that...

why don't you just go ahead & tell us the answer?

[βαθμιαίος]

damn u missed my edit. there are things! there are!

Fixed it.

[isis]

damn u missed my edit. there are things! there are!

Fixed it.

lol thanks!

darth zenmaster...it's your turn...
the typ-o only remains in your post...

[βαθμιαίος]

Yes, so when they say one must understand... - what type of understanding is that. Geez, this is like pulling teeth

What answer are you looking for?

[isis]

Yes, so when they say one must understand... - what type of understanding is that. Geez, this is like pulling teeth

What answer are you looking for?

i think he thinks we can't understand what it means...& that's the answer.

[zenmaster]

Yes, so when they say one must understand... - what type of understanding is that. Geez, this is like pulling teeth

What answer are you looking for?

One that bothers to acknowledge the obvious disagreement perhaps?

[βαθμιαίος]

It's possible they just got tired of adding the "misnomer" disclaimer every time.

However, what do you think the non-dictionary definition would be?

[Ashim]

Zen, please feel free to pm me if you would like to take part in a new 'religion' I'm thinking of founding. Something along the lines of elron hubberty dub with hot girls and better technology.
We could go 50/50 on the profits and get even better uniforms.
What do you think?

How's that intuition working for you?

Creation.

[zenmaster]

It's possible they just got tired of adding the "misnomer" disclaimer every time.

Yes, but why is it a misnomer. Do you think people on this forum know the intended meaning every time they reference the quote in the variety of circumstances where the topic of "understanding" comes up.

[Ashim]

It's possible they just got tired of adding the "misnomer" disclaimer every time.

Yes, but why is it a misnomer. Do you think people on this forum know the intended meaning every time they reference the quote in the variety of circumstances where the topic of "understanding" comes up.

This is a matrix of distorted light.

[βαθμιαίος]

Do you think people on this forum know the intended meaning every time they reference the quote in the variety of circumstances where the topic of "understanding" comes up.

What do you think was the intended meaning?

[zenmaster]

Do you think people on this forum know the intended meaning every time they reference the quote in the variety of circumstances where the topic of "understanding" comes up.

What do you think was the intended meaning?

Dunno, but if the quote can be hijacked in an ad hoc manner then what teach/learn meaning is really being conveyed.

[βαθμιαίος]

Permission to live a life based on faith and not feel like one needs to have all the answers?

[zenmaster]

Permission to live a life based on faith and not feel like one needs to have all the answers?

So to you it comes down to a feeling of need for answers? So when something is troubling someone, for example, they should not try to understand the cause?

[βαθμιαίος]

Not saying that, just speculating about why people find it comforting.

[zenmaster]

Not saying that, just speculating about why people find it comforting.

I think people find it comforting because it releases a perception of responsibility which would involve effort or commitment.

[βαθμιαίος]

Yeah, I kind of suspected that.

[Ashim]

I have faith that I will find satisfactory answers.
How about that?

[Horuseus]

Yeah I didn't particularly see it as dictionary understanding of the term either, context wise. To me the 'understanding' here points to the inherent qualities of limitation (And the resulting experiential perception) the 3rd Density vibration provides, and as a result not being able to 'know' the fundamental LOO principles in any truly meaningful context. One example being the experience of 'Oneness', which isn't possible whilst submerged in 3D I would have thought.

That being said, there is the trap where one uses Ra's quote in a manner to justify complacency, in that "Oh well we can't understand so what's the point", so discernment needs to be made.

[reeay]

I thought I needed answers due to need to soothe anxiety, fear, and lack of hope of my own life. It's a bit more efficient work if I look at those than to find safety nets. What helps in the moment has the probability to have adverse effect later on.

[isis]

Greetings Sisters and Brothers,

I perceive the desire for ET / UFO disclosure to be a selfish one. I say this because I believe that the majority of contemporary Humanity are not ready for such an aspect of universal reality to be proved to them. And that anyone insecure enough in their beliefs to demand that those beliefs be confirmed by official sources is ignoring the free-will choices of the majority!

Jim

disclosure has basically already happened...hasn't it?

i think u're right, tho. if we were all ready for official disclosure then it likely would've happened already. the baby isn't going to be crawling anywhere b4 it gets out of the womb! some things take time.

i think things can only happen as they're meant to...& my faith in this forces me to remain happy.

i love imagining that fate is fixed. if fate is fixed...then, in my mind, there's no doubt that all is well & that there are no mistakes.

[kycahi]

i love imagining that fate is fixed. if fate is fixed...then, in my mind, there's no doubt that all is well & that there are no mistakes.

3D can be frustrating because nothing and no one is or can be perfect. So the blessing of this is that, while there are mistakes, they are just 3D ones. I've made some real big ones that I used to bash myself over when I remembered them. Now I can thank my earlier self for that experience, feel better and drop the leftover guilt. Well, I can but it's still a work in progress. :-/

So truesim is correct that there are no mistakes that do long term damage and "there's no doubt that all is well." :idea:

[Jim Kent +]

Greetings Sisters and Brothers,

I perceive the desire for ET / UFO disclosure to be a selfish one. I say this because I believe that the majority of contemporary Humanity are not ready for such an aspect of universal reality to be proved to them. And that anyone insecure enough in their beliefs to demand that those beliefs be confirmed by official sources is ignoring the free-will choices of the majority!

Jim

I was considering this topic last night and it occurred to me that if an ET species / civilisation were to publicly land then this would create a New World Order overnight.

The old so called governmental "power-structures" would be thrown into even more turmoil than they are currently and I perceive it as being almost certain that this would not be in Humanity's best interest!

L & L   

Jim  

[AnthroHeart]

Why can't ET's disclose to certain people who are ready to meet them?

[Jim Kent +]

Why can't ET's disclose to certain people who are ready to meet them?

Greetings Gemini, 

I'm sure that this has happened / is happening / will happen in secret, but I was talking about a full-scale public landing that couldn't be denied or covered-up.

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder if positive ET's can hear us when we call out for them.
Maybe they only visit us in dreams.

[Jade]

Of course they hear us. We just don't hear their replies with our puny human senses.

[Jim Kent +]

Greetings, 

I thought that I'd share this text taken from the new version of my book which better articulates my feelings about Disclosure:

Disclosure

 
There seems to be a popular desire amongst some members of the public for the governments of this planet to disclose all that they know about ET visitations to Earth to us. I get the impression that many of these people look to more advanced ETs to come here and solve all of our problems, in some kind of messianic grand gesture on the ETs part. And that in offering complete Disclosure, governments would some how open the way to ETs coming to Earth and removing all of our ills.  With my miniscule understanding of the current situation, I would say that this is not going to happen.
 
I believe that what our governments do know would scare the pants off most people and that exposing such secrets would serve little constructive purpose. Also, governments don’t give up their military secrets easily and willingly, and the issue of ET presence on Earth has become a military matter. 
 
I don’t believe that Positive ETs would suddenly reveal themselves to the global population in order to facilitate a technological / political / social revolution, as to do so would be to steal away from us the value of learning to solve our own problems. And they’ve learnt from experience, that they could well make things worse.
 
I’m not denying the value of new and powerful clean technologies to lift Earth and Humanity out of our current difficulties, but I believe that we as a species already possess, most if not all, of the technology required to resolve our physical problems. It’s just that they are hidden in “Black Projects”.
 
I would say that for the vast majority of individuals, such information is of transient importance and becoming aware of such information will do little to help you polarize.
 
Are we as a species, ready to have the full scope of historical and current ET / Human interaction suddenly revealed to us?  

L & L

Jim