"Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" Discussion

[C.fynis96]

Heya all, I know I'm not particular around often, more observing than posting typically, but for this thread I came across an interesting read that had some congruency to the Ra Material in certain portions, and thought some discussion could be made of from such.

The read itself I came across due to a Montalk.net (which is what brought me to the Ra material so long back as well). Tom's most recent tweet was about this particular PDF compiled from another forum based around the Fringe and Conspiracy. In quick summation for what follows, an individual claims to be apart of the "hidden elite" that guides things in our world, and does a "ask me anything" thread. Some of it is quite silly, both questions and answers, but at times it shows a bit of truth it seems as well.

The PDF in question : https://ia800206.us.archive.org/8/items/...er2005.pdf

I mostly just wish to see what could be made of from a discussion involving this.

Thanks!
CF

[Aion]

This types of threads always end up somewhat circular, this seems to me pretty much the same sort of thing as the Hidden Hand material. I need a backpack for the grain of salt I take it with.

[C.fynis96]

This types of threads always end up somewhat circular, this seems to me pretty much the same sort of thing as the Hidden Hand material. I need a backpack for the grain of salt I take it with.

I don't think I've really seen the threads involving the Hidden Hand material, nor have I read from said material, so I'm not fully sure of what is implied here.

But most certainly on the grain(s) of salt, the claim itself is one that can be easily laughed at, but the answers for some of the questions are still brow raising, especially when seen in connection to the Ra Material.

Such as the planet we live on being relatively illusory, the ability to reconnect with the creator, the idea that there isn't any true enemies, and so on to paraphrase and limit this reply.

I was merely wishing to bring some outside material that had a few similarities to bring to a discussion.

Thanks!
CF

[Patrick]

The HH material led me to find the Law of One. This thing is similar.

What I would point out though is that STS, being expert liars and manipulators, are even able to deceive themselves into believing that their perspective is actually accurate.

But how can anyone see anything without using the light of the very center of the spectrum?

STS don't know reality, they don't want to know. Reality can no longer be hidden after a while in sixth density, hence why they cannot kid themselves any further.

So they can seriously believe what they say and still they would be lying to themselves and others. But I don't think they'd want to tell us what they really believe anyway, not that it would be any more real even if they did.

[Aion]

This types of threads always end up somewhat circular, this seems to me pretty much the same sort of thing as the Hidden Hand material. I need a backpack for the grain of salt I take it with.

I don't think I've really seen the threads involving the Hidden Hand material, nor have I read from said material, so I'm not fully sure of what is implied here.  

But most certainly on the grain(s) of salt, the claim itself is one that can be easily laughed at, but the answers for some of the questions are still brow raising, especially when seen in connection to the Ra Material.  

Such as the planet we live on being relatively illusory, the ability to reconnect with the creator, the idea that there isn't any true enemies, and so on to paraphrase and limit this reply.  

I was merely wishing to bring some outside material that had a few similarities to bring to a discussion.  

Thanks!
CF

No worries, I didn't mean to suggest it might not be of interest. There is an old thread on the Hidden Hand material you can find here: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=91

You might find it interesting to poke through and see some of the parallels.

In a way, this message certainly is the along the same as the Law of One, but I would point to the thought the particular slant that any entity gives is coloured by its own motivations.

7.15 Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes.

Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation, and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made.

Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

For me, the question always comes to, why is such and such a statement being made and what is the motive behind it? Not in the sense of looking for bogeymen, but in the sense that the message is only a capsule or vessel for the energy and intention which is contained within it. The Creator comes in all forms, both dark and light.

These kinds of 'exposures' are interesting to me because ultimately I am not sure the 'truth' of it is actually the most important thing, but the seed ideas it may plant in the subconscious. Such as reinforcement of the concept of people being slaves.

People telling you the truth with one hand and offering deception with the other rarely have your best interests at heart, in my experience.

[jafar]

When I read those kind of materials, I had a weird feelings that most of the questioners are actually the STSes
Cursing, accusation, blaming, threat etc..

STS and STO does shared a similar view of "I am the Infinite Creator".
What differs is how they see 'others'.
STO see others as also the infinite creator thus part of myself. And that include how STO sees STS.
STS see others as merely pawn / AI to be beaten, conquered, sacrificed, manipulated and control. And that include how STS see other STSes.

[Dtris]

That is certainly an interesting document.

The person who was answering the questions seems to genuinely believe what they are saying. A few items stood out to me.

The first being that he repeatedly said people would be punished or he himself would be punished by certain thoughts.

The second is that reading between the lines the groups he belongs to do not do their duty most of the time.

The third is that it all boils down to the individual connecting to the divine within, even in the negative philosophy.

The possibility of their being families which have some level of inherited esoteric knowledge which has been used to manipulate events is a common enough theme there may be some truth to it. When I was younger I spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff. Now I find it interesting and don't think about it anymore. It is not beneficial toward my purpose to focus on unknown or even known bogeymen. I try to focus on my life and my individual connection to the creator. Everything else is just another part of life to be met with love.

[Diana]

What I would point out though is that STS, being expert liars and manipulators, are even able to deceive themselves into believing that their perspective is actually accurate.

But how can anyone see anything without using the light of the very center of the spectrum?

STS don't know reality, they don't want to know. Reality can no longer be hidden after a while in sixth density, hence why they cannot kid themselves any further.

So they can seriously believe what they say and still they would be lying to themselves and others. But I don't think they'd want to tell us what they really believe anyway, not that it would be any more real even if they did.

At a certain point in 6th density the STS adept would need to embrace more of existence as you say. Until then, I think it has more to do with choice than reality. Even STO adepts have rocky paths and imbalances to deal with and can fall into self-deception (martyrdom being one example).

According to Ra, it is knowingly that the STS adept proceeds on the LH path. I think your idea of not using the light at the middle of the spectrum is very apt. That's exactly what it seems the LH path does is not use this light.

80.15 ▶

Ra: ...
The adept, whether positive or negative, has the same Matrix. The Potentiator is also identical. Due to the Catalyst of each adept the adept may begin to pick and choose that into which it shall look further. The Experience of the Spirit, that which you have called the Moon, is then, by far, the more manifest of influences upon the polarity of the adept. Even the most unhappy of experiences, shall we say, which seem to occur in the Catalyst of the adept, seen from the viewpoint of the spirit, may, with the discrimination possible in shadow, be worked with until light equaling the light of brightest noon descends upon the adept and positive or service-to-others illumination has occurred. The service-to-self adept will satisfy itself with the shadows and, grasping the light of day, will toss back the head in grim laughter, preferring the darkness.

One of my favorite quotes among many—reading the Ra Material is ever entertaining as well as informative and interesting.

[Sacred Fool]

STS don't know reality, they don't want to know. Reality can no longer be hidden after a while in sixth density, hence why they cannot kid themselves any further.

I think you're unfairly singling out the STS crowd for derision.  I can recall an episode just before your nose turned red when I had to chase you all over the map to burden you with the reality that you were having a small allergic reaction to reality.

Same goes for me.  If I were more willing to accept the larger "reality,"  my life and my being would be fantastically different.  Same goes for all, I would say.

  

[Aion]

The HH material led me to find the Law of One. This thing is similar.

What I would point out though is that STS, being expert liars and manipulators, are even able to deceive themselves into believing that their perspective is actually accurate.

But how can anyone see anything without using the light of the very center of the spectrum?

STS don't know reality, they don't want to know. Reality can no longer be hidden after a while in sixth density, hence why they cannot kid themselves any further.

So they can seriously believe what they say and still they would be lying to themselves and others. But I don't think they'd want to tell us what they really believe anyway, not that it would be any more real even if they did.

My understanding is different, there is more choice involved. The difference between STS and STO isn't "awareness of the truth", both can be equally aware of the truth of Unity, but it is what they choose to do with the knowledge of that truth that determine polarization.

One can knowingly weave lies and still know one is lying, that doesn't mean one doesn't know the truth. It means one has a purpose for the lie.

[Patrick]

I understand your point of views.

One can knowingly weave lies and still know one is lying, that doesn't mean one doesn't know the truth. It means one has a purpose for the lie.

How can they know "the" Truth? They rejected the means of knowing "the" Truth. It is impossible for them to know "the" Truth.

My point is simply that the path of that which is not is exactly that. It is the path of that which is unreal.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-self path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-self choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love.. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

If you are knowingly going about the Creation without the means to understand the reality of this Creation (without green-ray), then you are lying to yourself.

We do lie to ourselves too on the STO path, but we don't have the intent to do so. We are on a quest to see it for what it is.

It does not prevent STS from being very clever. They are not kidding themselves because they are stupid. They simply refuse to even have the means to see reality. They glory in the illusion and their lies.

[Diana]

We do lie to ourselves too on the STO path, but we don't have the intent to do so. We are on a quest to see it for what it is.

You have a nicer picture of humanity than I do, even for those who have made a conscious choice to polarize positive. People are complex creatures. And this is a difficult reality to navigate. Many people lie with conscious intent all the time. And come to think of it, the people who are always telling the truth are the ones who are accused of being too blunt or not nice to other-selves. I have been accused of this basically my whole life, which I have endeavored to balance but I find it extremely difficult.

I personally think it is quite possible to know what one is doing by shutting off the heart for express purpose. Actually, humans do it all the time to varying degrees, and for certain reasons, consciously or unconsciously. One might not want to open the heart to the suffering of starving homeless children in India, as a specific example. So one ignores it with the purpose of maintaining the will to live and thrive here; and ability to thrive here may be based on the idea that in living here, and being overwhelmed with the hopelessness of others' suffering, that one may feel one's contribution here is very negative (sadness, depression, futility, etc.). Thus, the wish to not live. And so, in order to thrive here and contribute something positive, in balance, to the world, shutting out some of it may seem efficacious.

So I do think someone polarizing negatively, and especially an adept, can be cognizant of the truth, and still choose to follow the chosen path anyway. The entity who does so may be fulfilling the exploration of that which is not, which according to Ra as I understand it, is still a service to creation.

[Steppingfeet]

What I would point out though is that STS, being expert liars and manipulators, are even able to deceive themselves into believing that their perspective is actually accurate.

That's something I am going to be fascinated to see once the veil drops: To what degree do those of the STS path believe their lies and manipulations?

Or perhaps it is not so much a case of believing what I said is true in the sense that they believe their statements can be objectively-empirically or even subjectively verified on the basis of a collective standard of measure. Maybe there is just no standard of truth for the STS entity. Truth is what the negative entity needs it to be and says it is, even if contradicting their previously given truth or contradicting what "evidence" may say to the contrary.

We've witnessed a prominent public figure with a megaphone in recent years exercising this principle daily. I think that this person believed a lot of the lies they promulgated, or at least willed the lies into becoming reality.

Then again, Ra did select an adjective for the type of information that the Orion entities offer:

12.15 Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

Which indicates to me that, at least in the main, negative entities are aware of the distance of their statements from objective reality.

[Patrick]

Yeah I think the misunderstanding might be in my definition of reality.

For me, "reality" is Infinity. Since Infinity became aware (Intelligent Infinity) it started the process of Intelligent Infinity knowing Infinity. This will never end.

But here in this thread maybe what is meant with reality is the collective reality that we all agree with before incarnation and help create when we are incarnated? This reality yes I think STS can know that for real.

[Aion]

I understand your point of views.

One can knowingly weave lies and still know one is lying, that doesn't mean one doesn't know the truth. It means one has a purpose for the lie.

How can they know "the" Truth? They rejected the means of knowing "the" Truth. It is impossible for them to know "the" Truth.

My point is simply that the path of that which is not is exactly that. It is the path of that which is unreal.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-self path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-self choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love.. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

If you are knowingly going about the Creation without the means to understand the reality of this Creation (without green-ray), then you are lying to yourself.

We do lie to ourselves too on the STO path, but we don't have the intent to do so. We are on a quest to see it for what it is.

It does not prevent STS from being very clever. They are not kidding themselves because they are stupid. They simply refuse to even have the means to see reality. They glory in the illusion and their lies.

Hmm, I can see why you think that, although I still think there's a bit more nuance to it personally. An STS adept can have full access to the awareness and use of the green-ray and freely choose not to utilize it, usually restricting the blue-ray to do so, that is to say, the lies are worked through the blue ray.

47.3 Questioner: We chose the values of . . . or were given the values of better than 50% service to others for fourth-density positive and better than 95% service to self for fourth-density negative social memory complexes. Do these two values correspond to the same rate, shall I say, of vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. I perceive you have difficulty in expressing your query. We shall respond in an attempt to clarify your query.

The vibratory rates are not to be understood as the same in positive and negative orientations. They are to be understood as having the power to accept and work with intelligent infinity to a certain degree or intensity. Due to the fact that the primary color, shall we say, or energy blue is missing from the negatively oriented system of power, the green/blue vibratory energies are not seen in the vibratory schedules or patterns of negative fourth and fifth rates of vibration.

The positive, upon the other hand, shall we say, has the full spectrum of true-color time/space vibratory patterns and thus contains a variant vibratory pattern or schedule. Each is capable of doing fourth-density work. This is the criterion for harvest.

47.4 Questioner: Did you say that blue was missing from fourth-density negative?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us clarify further. As we have previously stated, all beings have the potential for all possible vibratory rates. Thus the potential of the green and blue energy center activation is, of course, precisely where it must be in a creation of Love. However, the negatively polarized entity will have achieved harvest due to extremely efficient use of red and yellow/orange, moving directly to the gateway indigo bringing through this intelligent energy channel the instreamings of intelligent infinity.

However, the energization of centers happens through the same centers.

72.17 Questioner: Why is there no protection at the floor, or bottom, of the banishing ritual, and should there be?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

The development of the psychic greeting is possible only through the energy centers starting from a station which you might call within the violet ray, moving through the adept’s energy center and therefrom towards the target of opportunity. Depending upon the vibratory nature and purpose of greeting, be it positive or negative, the entity will be energized, or blocked, in the desired way.

We of Ra approach this instrument in narrow-band contact through violet ray. Others might pierce down through this ray to any energy center. We, for instance, make great use of this instrument’s blue-ray energy center as we are attempting to communicate our distortion-understandings of the Law of One.

The entity of Orion pierces the same violet ray and moves to two places to attempt most of its non-physical opportunities. It activates the green-ray energy center while further blocking indigo-ray energy center. This combination causes confusion in the instrument and subsequent over-activity in unwise proportions in physical complex workings. It simply seeks out the distortions pre-incarnatively programmed and developed in incarnative state.

The energies of life itself, being the One Infinite Creator, flow from the south pole of the body, seen in its magnetic form. Thus only the Creator may, through the feet, enter the energy shell of the body to any effect. The effects of the adept are those from the upper direction, and thus the building of the wall of light is quite propitious.
May we ask if there are any shorter queries at this time?

The "closed door" nature of such an entity is to be opaque to others. However, an adept learns to open these doors when it is useful and powerful towards the desires of the entity. For example, they may keep their green-ray closed most of the time, but then open it for a moment of opportunity such as this. The key word for STS is control, rather than free acceptance. That is the purpose of the lies, to control.

However, one can know the truth and still wish to control it or keep it hidden. One can open up their heart and then choose to keep it closed. I would even argue that some entities are motivated by this "secret knowledge of the truth" and utilize it at times in their workings. That is the great power of deceit in the negative path to me, to know the truth and yet to deny it.

87.11 Questioner: I’m sorry for getting confused on the question here and not asking it correctly. There is a philosophical point of central importance to me that I am trying to clear up here. It has to do with the fact that fourth-density negative seems to be aware of the First Distortion, and they are in a nonveiled condition. And they seem to use this knowledge of the First Distortion to maintain the situation that they maintain in their contacts with this planet.

I am trying to extract their ability to understand the mechanism of the First Distortion and the consequences of the veiling process and still remain in a mental configuration of separation on the negative path. I hope that I have made myself clear there. I have had a hard time asking this question.

Ra: I am Ra. The answer may still not satisfy the questioner. We ask that you pursue it until you are satisfied. The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator, and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density. Its operations among those of third density which have not yet made this choice are designed to offer to each the opportunity to consider the self-serving polarity and its possible attractiveness.

[jafar]

So I do think someone polarizing negatively, and especially an adept, can be cognizant of the truth, and still choose to follow the chosen path anyway. The entity who does so may be fulfilling the exploration of that which is not, which according to Ra as I understand it, is still a service to creation.

Agree..
There are many reasons why an entity choose to walk the 'not' path.
Some might be because they don't know that it is the 'not' path, and thinking that it is the 'is' path.
Some others because they do know that it is the 'not' path thus also well aware of what is the 'is' path.

The other "elite insider" theme material, labeled as "Hidden Hand" seem to know that he / they are indeed walking the 'not' path.
https://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_socie...and_081018

And I remember that Ra did mentioned during their 3rd density era, there are 'visitors' from 5th density positive who incarnated as 3rd density negative on planet Venus and harvested as 4th density negative.

The 'not' does help one understanding about the 'is' as it provides a contrast.

Another common theme between Ra/Quo, Hidden Hand and this material that I detect is, they seem to be in agreement that an SMC/Soul Group called Yahweh (or as Ra/Quo mentioned, the 2nd Yahweh) are among those who did not realized that they're walking the 'not' path. By citing the "Ten Commandments" which contain the "Not" restrictions as a 'clue' and 'indicator'.

From: https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0121.aspx
K: The Ten Commandments were given by the second, negative Yahweh? Is that correct?

I am Q'uo and am aware of your query, my brother. This is basically correct, for these commandments were seen as the pillars upon which would rest the many laws that would protect and guide the chosen people in a manner that was in accordance with the desires of the Orion-based Yahweh. These commandments included previous concepts given by the first Yahweh contact and then there was added unto those concepts a turning or twisting toward the negative orientation so that the commandments were, shall we say, then restrictions upon entities more than inspiration to affirmative or positive action and imaging of concepts. Is there a further query, my brother?