perspective on action vs inaction

[KYDoug]

There were fascinating responses here. Thank you very much.

I would be very interested to hear more about your ideas of time and Reality, zedro, but I'm not quite sure how. Have you posted a thread on this or written something up about it? Your idea of nodes (in the other thread) was quite stimulating.

And Patrick, I was thinking along those same lines, with some zedro thrown in. More advanced entities might shuttle back and forth in time manipulating events to their desire with some constraints perhaps given by zedro's nodes and continuity considerations. Not sure what that means, but have both sides done this? More to your point, however, Patrick, I know we humans are limited, but could we affect our own situation in the same way not just in the present but in the past (and future?)? Maybe in a more limited fashion and needing mass to do it, but can we be active?

I would guess there needs to be a focused goal - a vision. How many of us lowly humans would be required? Probably no answers but I wonder what would have happened if a certain key event had not happened (there's quite a few scifi stories on that I guess). Say Constantine did not accept Christianity (for his political gain), the church would not be linked to government, the Word might not have been so twisted, and we would have progressed more than we have. Not sure how that would fit into zedro's ideas of continuity. Here in the present, is it possible for humans to focus on an enlightenment goal for us all with some benefit? I think I have read about that. If the "good guys" do not feel it is best to interfere any more than they have, can we pick ourselves up and change the future? I have a feeling that future is fast approaching...

[Patrick]

...Patrick, I know we humans are limited, but could we affect our own situation in the same way not just in the present but in the past (and future?)? Maybe in a more limited fashion and needing mass to do it, but can we be active?

I would guess there needs to be a focused goal - a vision. How many of us lowly humans would be required? ...

3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement, approximately, if you had enough faith, you could say to a mountain to move and the mountain would move. I assume this is approximately what you are saying, and I am assuming that if you are fully aware of the Law of One, then you are able to do these things. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

You are precisely correct in your understanding of the congruency of faith and intelligent infinity; however, one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives, and is the Law of One, such things as the building of a pyramid by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

I would say that on this planet at this particular time, it would take tens of millions of people a concerted and very focussed effort to manifest something that would override the desire of the great majority still having fun with 3d. It would perhaps be unkind to rob them of the materialistic illusion that provides them with the required catalysts so they can have ample opportunities of making The Choice once and for all.

[zedro]

I would be very interested to hear more about your ideas of time and Reality, zedro, but I'm not quite sure how. Have you posted a thread on this or written something up about it? Your idea of nodes (in the other thread) was quite stimulating.

I'm going to start a thread and post some old notes from 2018 that I produced after a plant based mediation session, they definitely need refinement and are a bit confusing, I haven't the energy to clean it up and update so we'll see how it goes 

Edit: gonna have to back pedal on this unfortunately, getting some weird signals for some reason

At some point I'll try to expand on the concept of nodal points and probabilistic outcomes based on free will parameters/actions combined with polarized higher density influences. There are feedback loops from higher self as it maximizes its potential by evolving circumstances (the flexibility of space/time due to time/space)....arrgh it gets convoluted and paradoxical, no wonder the higher density channels have a hard time dumbing it down for us lol.

[Diana]

...Patrick, I know we humans are limited, but could we affect our own situation in the same way not just in the present but in the past (and future?)? Maybe in a more limited fashion and needing mass to do it, but can we be active?

I would guess there needs to be a focused goal - a vision. How many of us lowly humans would be required? ...

This from Ra:

65.12 ▶ Ra: I am Ra. ...
We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

I would say that on this planet at this particular time, it would take tens of millions of people a concerted and very focussed effort to manifest something that would override the desire of the great majority still having fun with 3d. It would perhaps be unkind to rob them of the materialistic illusion that provides them with the required catalysts so they can have ample opportunities of making The Choice once and for all.

The following quote lines up with what is happening in the world presently:

41.14 ▶ Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man?

Ra: I am Ra. ...
The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

[unity100]

You, like a lot of other people, seem to be approaching from a perspective that is influenced by heaven/hell concepts found in semitic religions. Ie, 'save' people and get them into 4d (heaven), or don't do anything and leave them to 'hell'.

It doesn't work like that.

You cant get entities who are not ready for 4d into 4d. You cant get into 4d entities who are negatively polarized. It would be hell to them. You cant get entities who are positive into negative 4d. It would be hell to them.

And, furthermore - any density + vibration + environment combination that you are suitable with is 'heaven' at the start. After a while you get used to it and it becomes 'normal'.

[Quincunx]

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[zedro]

The logos may decide to drop the veil before complete 4d immersion, to aid in further catalyst in the 3d-4d transition. It may be the last big catalyst one receives to make the Choice. The further you are from polarization if this should happen, the more traumatic the experience may be I suspect. But this is why I believe there are so many Wanderers waiting in the wings to help, getting their awakening before the confused masses.

If you could characterize this as a spiritual battle to recruit (harvest) souls to either the positive or negative polarities (or to maintain the positive orientated in a confused state to parasitically/energetically feed the higher density negatives), at some point in the harvest it becomes diminishing returns trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, and so to break the stalemate for the remainder all may be revealed as the last push, especially since the negative polarity forces have had such an advantage with deceit, the positive polarity may have its grand shot with the Truth. The apocalypse means revelation, to reveal the real truth about this world, which signals the end of the veiled Era.

[zedro]

If I were a Service To Self entity and all my hard work of trying to take over this Earth was taken away from me, do you think I am going to just let the Earth fall into the hands of positive consciousness. The next World War could be fought on a level that we have yet to closely examine.

All wars are spiritual wars, what is currently happening in 3D is a manifestation of the metaphysical realm. And I believe we are already witnessing your claim.

[Quincunx]

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[zedro]

The Ra Material and Quo channeling both talk about how 4d and higher wars are fought, and it is all about consciousness as you say. They even mention the depolarisation aspect of it, because of the paradoxical nature of war. But 4d negatives are mainly interested in 3d entity manipulation due to energy parasitism, and 4d positive serve as a counter when karma/free will asking allows them, so that is a type of war, especially if there is a hidden 4d positive SMC living on the same planet as their 3d brothers, which the negative densities want to exploit.

[MonadicSpectrum]

I think one thing that is often missed when considering the work of the "good guys" is that we often don't see what could have been. From the higher dimensions, most possibilities and probabilities can be seen, and it is my understanding that much work was done to shift the probabilities of transition to fourth density to be as pleasant as possible. When one considers all the apocalyptic prophecies, I believe that we are doing quite well to be in the timeline that we are currently experiencing given what could have been regarding numerous natural disasters, nuclear bombs, diseases that are actually really deadly, etc. We may not like where we are too much, but it's certainly better than many other possible timelines.

Helping others by giving them knowledge and power is always double edged in the sense that those people who receive the knowledge can use it for good or ill. It's the responsibility of the one doing the teaching to validate if the students are mature enough to use the knowledge wisely. For example, if humans are taught about nuclear technology, whoever taught us is partly responsible karmically for nuclear weapons that killed people. Because of this, much knowledge is kept from humans even if it could be helpful because humans may use that knowledge for evil instead.

Another example is that Ra attempted to teach about hierarchies with the pyramid geometry, but the idea got twisted in humanity to be used for evil rather than good by inverting the pyramid: those lower on the hierarchy were transformed from students to slaves. A slightly polarized positive society will quickly polarize completely by properly applying the idea of a pyramid to teach everyone how to polarize positively with those higher on the hierarchy serving those lower on the hierarchy (The king is the greatest servant of all as opposed to everyone serving the king). Something as simple as a pyramid geometry can have a large impact on the growth of a civilization so it is very difficult to know how to help wisely.

Rather than helping by introducing new ideas that could be twisted easily, it was decided to send wanderers to live among the humans. By wandering, no external ideas were introduced to humanity so most of the ideas would develop naturally while the wanderers would have a spiritual bias to seek for love and truth to help humanity grow from within. This was found to be the best balance between helping and allowing humanity to grow naturally.

[Quincunx]

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[Quincunx]

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[unity100]

1 - In the near future, all humans on earth - men, women, and children - will die.

No.

2 - A small percentage will transition to the 4th dimension.

Yes.

3 - The rest will be scattered to other 3D planets to basically start over.

Yes.

4 - The “good guys” will do nothing except talk in a limited way to a limited audience, perhaps since they already messed up in the past.

No such thing as 'good guys'. There are teachers, teachings. Not everybody is interested in every teaching.


5 - The “bad guys” are breaking rules to infiltrate earth and manipulate us to be controlled or much, much worse (i.e., torture us to gather negative energy).

Nobody can 'break rules'. Those who implement the quarantine and the higher principles which govern the 'breaking' of that quarantine are not concepts which can be circumvented.

[Unissie]

The beings that comprise Abraham Hicks are doing all in their power to teach people in this 3d realm how to harness the power of the law of attraction to shape a better life for themselves. It doesn't get more powerfully helpful than that.

Give a man a fish, he eats for the day (Ra leaves that to our responsibility to our fellows, and it is our responsibility.)

Teach a man how to harness the law of attraction and not only does everything he desires flow to him, all of creation is improved and expanded as a result of the heightened vibration.

The whole point of this existence is the catalyst and how it helps us to evolve. When we broadcast nothing but love for ourselves and others, which is far harder to actually do than it seems because of how insidiously compelling negative thoughts are, we tell the universe that we are ready to have joy be our catalyst instead of pain. The universe gives back what we broadcast out. Is it the easiest thing in the world to broadcast pain when pain surrounds us? You bet!

Meditate, meditate, meditate. Seek joy and love wherever you can find it. Cherish innocence. Spend your focus on it. Watch everything around you and everything you touch become heaven.

This message is being given to us in so many forms and by so many teachers. It is everything. We are free to embrace it or not.

[Spaced]

As the thread title points out, perspective is the key here.

Let's consider the perspective of Ra (as filtered through my limited understanding), who has internalized and acts according to the Law of One philosophy (from session 1):

The Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator has only one important statement. That statement, my friends, as you know, is “All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.”

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Let us for a moment consider thought. What is it, my friends, to take thought? Took you then thought today? What thoughts did you think today? What thoughts were part of the original thought today? In how many of your thoughts did the creation abide? Was love contained? And was service freely given? You are not part of a material universe. You are part of a thought. You are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material. You are dancing thoughts. You move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought.

I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficacious. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

According to this philosophy, the entirety of the the material universe, the mind/body/spirit complex, is illusion. The illusion is born from thought and we are all part of that one thought. From this perspective, we are not seen as "lowly humans" but equals. Our struggles are not seen as particularly dire to them, but as an illusory experience that we are undertaking as co-creators which we have become very invested in. They appear detached because they are detached, the Law of One philosophy teaches acceptance of all things and to act without attachment to outcome.

This does not mean they are inactive, but what they would consider the most important action to take is to teach and to learn. The only way to transcend the illusion is to expand one's understanding of the one original thought. No one can do this for anyone else, but you can try to point them in the right direction.

1.10 Questioner: Another question. Is it possible to create any acceleration of understanding [in] other entities [or are] all efforts… efforts by the individual on himself accelerating his understanding? In other words, if an individual tries to act as a catalyst in general to increase the awareness of planetary consciousness, is he doing nothing but acting upon himself or is it possible [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall answer your question in two parts, both of which are important equally.

Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other-personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning, in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex, as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.

To turn to the second part of our response may we state our understanding, limited though it is.

Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

Each of those in this group is striving to use, digest, and diversify the information which we are sending this instrument, into the channels of the mind/body/spirit complex, without distortion. The few whom you will illuminate by sharing your light are far more than enough reason for the greatest possible effort. To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the Original Thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.

Anyhow, that's just one perspective, and certainly one that can seem lofty from where we stand. Down here the best thing we can do is try to be helpful and kind to our fellow humans.

[Unissie]

I guess from their perspective we are watching an intense movie, and soon we will walk out of the movie theater excitedly discussing what we just saw. But since for us right now it is real, it is appropriate for us to comfort one another, more especially those who are having the most intense of experiences watching this movie.

We bought the ticket, we enthusiastically walked into the theater ready to embrace the full experience, even if we don't remember that right now.

[Sacred Fool]

The beings that comprise Abraham Hicks are doing all in their power to teach people in this 3d realm how to harness the power of the law of attraction to shape a better life for themselves. It doesn't get more powerfully helpful than that.

I suspect that some would argue that the "Law of Love" is far more important than the Law of Attraction in the sense that it is much more fundamental to what we have come here to learn about and support, don't you think?

[zedro]

The beings that comprise Abraham Hicks are doing all in their power to teach people in this 3d realm how to harness the power of the law of attraction to shape a better life for themselves. It doesn't get more powerfully helpful than that.

I suspect that some would argue that the "Law of Love" is far more important than the Law of Attraction in the sense that it is much more fundamental to what we have come here to learn about and support, don't you think?

The Law of Attraction is archetypal, it covers/ interacts with both the first and second distortion (Free will/LOC, Law of Love), so it is not a matter of more or less importance, it is simply a mechanism to help reveal those principals. Without the LoA, which is a functional component of karma, there is no driver for catalyst.

[Unissie]

The beings that comprise Abraham Hicks are doing all in their power to teach people in this 3d realm how to harness the power of the law of attraction to shape a better life for themselves. It doesn't get more powerfully helpful than that.

I suspect that some would argue that the "Law of Love" is far more important than the Law of Attraction in the sense that it is much more fundamental to what we have come here to learn about and support, don't you think?

I think the harnessing of the law of attraction is understanding that when you radiate and broadcast and see love, love is what comes back to you, love is what thrives all around you. In essence, the beings comprising Abraham are teaching that very "law of love" of which you speak while giving the wider context that if we broadcast pain and anger and fear and judgement and disapproval and revulsion, we won't much like what we see and what thrives and what comes back to us.

[Sacred Fool]

I think the harnessing of the law of attraction is understanding that when you radiate and broadcast and see love, love is what comes back to you, love is what thrives all around you. In essence, the beings comprising Abraham are teaching that very "law of love" of which you speak while giving the wider context that if we broadcast pain and anger and fear and judgement and disapproval and revulsion, we won't much like what we see and what thrives and what comes back to us.

There are many lessons of love and many levels of lessons of love, to be sure.  One would emphasise outward interaction with other entities while another would emphasise communing with the Creatrix within.  One would be about we "broadcast," another about what we surrender to and become.  It strikes me that the first is more static in the sense that it plays out on a planer level and the second is more transformational, dropping through the trapdoor into deeper levels of "selfness" which are non-relational (entity-to-entity), but something closer to being unitary in nature.

Or perhaps I am "talking through my hat?"

[Spaced]

I feel like the concept that most closely resembles the Law of Attraction in the the Ra material would be desire. Desire is used to describe that which draws experiences to a person. Experiences are then processed at that individual's level of understanding, hopefully providing catalyst to better know themselves. Ra says "the proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away." This balancing process is the work of third density.

What remains once that which is not needed falls away?

[Unissie]

Yes, Spaced, I believe Ra was talking about the same principle there as is being described by Abraham and others.

Sacred Fool, the intent of my brining up Abraham and the LoA was to address the OP concern that higher beings are not doing enough to relieve suffering in this realm. As I consider the effect Abraham has had on individual lives, I see a drastic reduction in suffering in an empowering way. I am impressed at the wisdom and effectiveness of the method. Other great teachers offer similar opportunities with variations on the theme. The result is individuals wake up and suffering greatly lessens and even ceases entirely for that individual and also blesses everyone else because of the nature of the Law of One and our connectedness. The more individuals awaken, the easier it is for more individuals to awaken. There is a compounding effect that is really beautiful.

If these same higher beings came down in their godlike power and miraculously stopped all suffering, this entire density and experience would lose all purpose and meaning. But it is tempting from a place of lower vibration to shake the fist at the heavens and demand that more be done.

My message to the creator of this thread is that this density is set up that we may smack our head against the wall until we realize that we are the one smacking our head against the wall and we can stop doing it anytime we choose.

When we really learn this lesson, we are likely ready to graduate, because there is nothing standing between us and polarizing powerfully in the direction that calls to us most. We have become the director of the course, and we progress swiftly.

[Sacred Fool]

Sacred Fool, the intent of my brining up Abraham and the LoA was to address the OP concern that higher beings are not doing enough to relieve suffering in this realm. As I consider the effect Abraham has had on individual lives, I see a drastic reduction in suffering in an empowering way. I am impressed at the wisdom and effectiveness of the method. 

Sorry, I'm not familiar with that narrative.

As I understand it, the bridge which connects the animal side of humanity with the angelic side is the heart, what people long for most deeply is secreted away and perhaps undeveloped in the heart.  If one or another group or person helps one or more find this within themselves, that's great, I agree.

For me the cessation of slamming of the head is useful, but not a reason to live in itself, obviously.  Attraction is not a reason to live.  Love is a reason to live because the more purely we love, the more fully we embody Divinity, our true beingness.

Just some over heated rhetoric here.  No offense intended.

[Unissie]

No offense taken. You were just not the intended audience for my message. It isn't about a reason to live but the frustration expressed in the original post.