The mysterious nature of time

[zenmaster]

I think I understand where you are coming from, zen. And Jiddu's insistence on removing external teachers for the internal one resonates with the following from Ra, I think (from 17.2) --

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

I find the phrase 'gate to the present' very queer. In many instances, Ra highlights the importance of the present moment, or in other words, the present time (there it comes again).

Everything (our perceptions and experience) arises from the present moment. But it's not the present as in 'there is comes again' - it's the one present. There is only one present or 'now'. The series of presents is an illusion created by thought. The whole concept of time as separate from thought, is an illusion. It's a compelling illusion because we 'are' our thoughts. But we can also witness ourselves engaged in thought.

If we are our thoughts, yet we also witness ourselves engaged in thought, who is doing the witnessing? It's like there are two consciousnesses. For some reason, we like to call that seemingly separate consciousness, that is engaged in thought, 'the ego'. But that itself is confusion.

We still have to think in order to survive. It's a limiting, mechanical role here - part of the veiling (3D space/time), and something that provides us with catalyst to correct imbalances.

I wonder what it is to live in the present. May be living in the present is to act without taking thought, on the lines of what Jiddu suggests. What do you think about the potentials of the present moment for enlightenment, zen?

We glimpse the present moment more and more, our awareness starts to center itself in the one present moment, we see our thoughts arising with less identification, and we live life more and more as it is - less confused, more able to accept, happier, and more free from mental patterning and related pathologies. This freedom has been called 'enlightenment'. But of course there is always more freedom available, and therefore always more 'enlightenment'.

[3DMonkey]

Hi guys.

I've generally viewed the perspective of viewing the present moment as simply a new set of mental pattern and pathology, not a lightening of this phenomenon.

Enlightenment, to me, is simply accepting a new possiblity that one previously rejected (most likely due to patterning).

[native]

Sure, there are many definitions of enlightenment that encompass many things. Most people take it to mean moving towards a less distorted worldview, and there is truth to that.

In the Buddhist definition of the word, as zen said it's about freeing yourself from the biases your thoughts carry with them. If you get to a point where exterior happenings don't cause you to react emotionally, instead viewing the moment with understanding rather than stirring some bias, then you have reached enlightenment. So it's really about eliminating bias and viewing the circumstances for what they are. This is acceptance of other self as self.

Many spiritual types are still highly emotional..we even see it in here. They have not yet accepted other aspects of themselves. Because if you have done this, you can interact with others and your differences don't affect you.

We also see these reactions in regards to discussing information. People tend to emotionally identify with what they believe to be true. When another challenges this information, they perceive it is a personal attack. This is what Q'uo discussed in terms of the Devil archetype, as lightbringers are always perceived as negative because they force you to challenge your views. Or they feel there is some kind of devious intention or disharmony that is trying to be created. No, this disharmony is within yourself because that's how you perceived the situation. If you feel you are the subject of negative manipulation, and in all likelihood you aren't, the last thing you do is react to it. Duhhhhhhhh. Many people do that in here, and then they put all the blame on the other. You are ultimately in control..manipulation requires participation, and most of the time it is falsely created and self-inflicted. There are many who are awake that can't get over that stumbling block, as they still have a certain amount of acceptance to go through. We discussed what Ra said here in the other thread:

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black.

It seems that as you progress through the densities, and also in this lifetime if you are able to, you become more centered in the present moment, able to accept other self as self and without bias view the creation for what it is. This is how advanced beings come to see/feel love in each moment whether it be negative or positive.

[Raman]

Balance is of mid-end of 6d.

You cannot confuse enlightenment with unemotional. Negatives bypass green-blue using orange-yellow very efficiently reflected as non-emotional and erroneously seen as "enlightened".

It is very reassuring to feel green light/energy in this forum even though mistakenly can be labeled as "not enlightened" and "highly emotional" at times.

[native]

That's true. By highly emotional, I meant many spiritual types still lash out at others. I'm just saying that you can't let yourself get swept away in your emotions. You feel and acknowledge them, and use them as opportunities to exercise acceptance.

[zenmaster]

If you get to a point where exterior happenings don't cause you to react emotionally, instead viewing the moment with understanding rather than stirring some bias, then you have reached enlightenment. So it's really about eliminating bias and viewing the circumstances for what they are. This is acceptance of self.

It's also necessarily acceptance of other-self. Jung referred to this process as 'individualization', as in the individual is more and more free from the thoughts of other selves (the 'collective' or status quo).

Many spiritual types are still highly emotional..we even see it in here. They have not yet accepted other aspects of themselves. Because if you have done this, you can interact with others and your differences don't affect you.

Emotional reactions are from the unconscious - it's disowned aspects of self emerging. A great opportunity for learning if it's taken as the catalyst that it is, instead of the perceived personal attack.

We also see these reactions in regards to discussing information. People tend to emotionally identify with what they believe to be true.

It is as if they bought a nice car that they cherish and believed someone had scratched it. My understanding is most of the reactions are fear based. You can see the excitement/defensiveness/offensiveness is directly proportional to a personal investment or attachment to the concept. One of the only coping mechanisms available to this type of unconsciousness is projection - where personally undesirable qualities (qualities which themselves are not fully accepted) are attributed to the 'attacker'.

Attachments are only necessary if the concepts are not yet accepted. If we could only realize when we have an attachment, then we could be prepared for our unconscious reactions, when stimulated by the others. We could forgive ourselves and other-self and actually respond with relevant information rather than ad-hominem attacks, scorn, pejorative sarcasm, etc.

When another challenges this information, they perceive it is a personal attack. This is what Q'uo discussed in terms of the Devil archetype, as lightbringers are always perceived as negative because they force you to challenge your views. Or they feel there is some kind of devious intention or disharmony that is trying to be created. No, this disharmony is within yourself because that's how you perceived the situation. If you feel you are the subject of negative manipulation, and in all likelihood you aren't, the last thing you do is react to it.

It could take years to be provided with such perfectly matching catalyst or even never happen. That's like a gold mine, in my book. Inevitably, it takes a lot of forgiveness of self and others, especially to discuss spiritual and ethical concerns, because these are related to our principles and significantly direct our valuing.

Duhhhhhhhh. Many people do that in here, and then they put all the blame on the other. There are many who are awake that can't get over that stumbling block, as they still have a certain amount of acceptance to go through. We discussed what Ra said here in the other thread:

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black.

It seems that as you progress through the densities, and also in this lifetime if you are able to, you become more centered in the present moment, able to accept yourself and without bias view the creation for what it is. This is how advanced beings come to see/feel love in each moment whether it be negative or positive.

And yet this acceptance, in all of its depth and understanding of self and other self it provides, merely makes room for further discovery and experience that was not possible without such a condition.

[native]

It's also necessarily acceptance of other-self. Jung referred to this process as 'individualization', as in the individual is more and more free from the thoughts of other selves (the 'collective' or status quo).

Yeah..other self as self, that's what I intended..corrected it. I wish I would have read Jung 10 years ago. I'm debating whether or not to bother at this point. It's amazing what he was able to accomplish.

Emotional reactions are from the unconscious - it's disowned aspects of self emerging.

This is hard for some to understand. When it comes to more abrasive aspects of the personality, people often have trouble integrating those. I have found it's easiest if you understand that an other self has those traits for a reason, and they are going through their own process of embodying those aspects for particular lessons. They are on their own learning curve experiencing what they have to, so who am I to criticize their level of beingness or naivety? Instead of judging, have love. In this way you accept who they are instead of expecting them to be how you want them to be.

One of the only coping mechanisms available to this type of unconsciousness is projection - where personally undesirable qualities (qualities which themselves are not fully accepted) are attributed to the 'attacker'.

Coping is a good word that would probably be synonymous with holding onto blockages. There is a resistance in accepting the other, and so we project them as doing this or that to justify how we feel instead of releasing the blockage through acceptance. It seems that emotions tend to carry certain biases with them that need to be overcome. I'm not saying to overcome emotion, but to overcome bias. This is what catalyst really is..an opportunity to examine emotion to remove bias and integrate it within the self through acceptance.

[Confused]

We glimpse the present moment more and more, our awareness starts to center itself in the one present moment, we see our thoughts arising with less identification, and we live life more and more as it is - less confused, more able to accept, happier, and more free from mental patterning and related pathologies. This freedom has been called 'enlightenment'. But of course there is always more freedom available, and therefore always more 'enlightenment'.

That is powerful, zenmaster. Enlightenment = Freedom. I never thought of it that way. It makes much sense now. Freedom for the self to portray what it has been before the beginning of time itself, which is the creator. That paragraph of yours took away much dense nebulousness around the concept of enlightenment for me.

Thanks for that, zen.

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Hi guys.

I've generally viewed the perspective of viewing the present moment as simply a new set of mental pattern and pathology, not a lightening of this phenomenon.

Enlightenment, to me, is simply accepting a new possiblity that one previously rejected (most likely due to patterning).

Isn't that more directly related to releasing past karma in order to pave the way for setting aright imbalances?

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Sure, there are many definitions of enlightenment that encompass many things...

Icaro, that indeed was truly a magnificent post. Very articulate and precise in terms of delineating subtle spiritual points from the LOO. I benefited much. Thanks for taking the time to make such a detailed and well-written post.

I would appreciate some additional points on particular line you wrote --

...view the creation for what it is.

What do you personally think creation is in terms of 'what it is', Icaro? I have pondered this point at length many times, but only scratched my head mostly. Is it just a mental phenomenon and agglomeration of blind impersonal powers, which defeats our thirst for certain outcomes/justice?

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It's also necessarily acceptance of other-self. Jung referred to this process as 'individualization', as in the individual is more and more free from the thoughts of other selves (the 'collective' or status quo).

And probably vice versa too. The individual on the other side too could be individuating strongly and essential core interests may thus clash. I think that is why the battle of wills or the thought-wars become more predominant. In our world, that manifests as wars on the physical planes too, I guess.

Acceptance though widely bandied around, is not easy to achieve at all, in my opinion. It essentially is difficult because the slightest imbalance can make the one who accepts vulnerable to the power that others may wield. In other words, it directly makes us confront the loneliness of the inner self, which owns everything, but yet nothing!!

[native]

What do you personally think creation is in terms of 'what it is', Icaro? I have pondered this point at length many times, but only scratched my head mostly. Is it just a mental phenomenon and agglomeration of blind impersonal powers, which defeats our thirst for certain outcomes/justice?

I was just attempting to say that we ultimately will reach a point where we are able to fully accept the positive/negative aspects of creation, and view each situation without being what Ra referred to as "emotionally charged".

Session 42 addresses emotions and the balanced entity. And thanks for the kind words, you're welcome!

[zenmaster]

It's also necessarily acceptance of other-self. Jung referred to this process as 'individualization', as in the individual is more and more free from the thoughts of other selves (the 'collective' or status quo).

Yeah..other self as self, that's what I intended..corrected it. I wish I would have read Jung 10 years ago. I'm debating whether or not to bother at this point. It's amazing what he was able to accomplish.

Found this documentary where Jung is interviewed.

Emotional reactions are from the unconscious - it's disowned aspects of self emerging.

This is hard for some to understand. When it comes to more abrasive aspects of the personality, people often have trouble integrating those. I have found it's easiest if you understand that an other self has those traits for a reason, and they are going through their own process of embodying those aspects for particular lessons. They are on their own learning curve experiencing what they have to, so who am I to criticize their level of beingness or naivety? Instead of judging, have love. In this way you accept who they are instead of expecting them to be how you want them to be.

The thing is, you can't replace one with the other. Love is just acceptance. Judging can come from acceptance too. We necessarily have to evaluate and explain our evaluations to others. It is difficult to explain the evaluation in a particularly 'loving' manner with respect to another (unless the other is also accepting) even if you could read their mind and speak their 'language'. You can't serve as the bridge to themselves.

Only if both are accepting, is there a possibility for the communication to become intersubjective, where the descriptions of perceptions are efficiently shared with all of their nuances. As far as I can tell such communication is a type of telepathy - but I only see that when there is some degree of trust or of acceptance or rapport.

One of the only coping mechanisms available to this type of unconsciousness is projection - where personally undesirable qualities (qualities which themselves are not fully accepted) are attributed to the 'attacker'.

Coping is a good word that would probably be synonymous with holding onto blockages. There is a resistance in accepting the other, and so we project them as doing this or that to justify how we feel instead of releasing the blockage through acceptance.

But we can't accept something unless it's first brought to the attention somehow. Actually, if it's brought to the attention to a sufficient degree it is automatically accepted. That is, unless at that point of availability it is repressed.

It seems that emotions tend to carry certain biases with them that need to be overcome.

The self or psyche has its biases due to the state or viewpoint provided by its current understanding (Carla's 'Personality Shell'). The emotions are a reflection of the biases (the unbalanced biases, in particular) they're not the biases.

I'm not saying to overcome emotion, but to overcome bias. This is what catalyst really is..an opportunity to examine emotion to remove bias and integrate it within the self through acceptance.

Yes, the emotional reaction is something disowned anyway, you can't work on it directly. You can follow it down to its source, in the shadow, and discover the underlying unbalanced bias responsible.

Also catalyst is provided for integrating biases in the other direction - 'hope'-based biases. Where you unconsciously desire for something to be a certain way. This is the exact opposite of fear, but still based on unbalanced biases. These also stifle development.

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It essentially is difficult because the slightest imbalance can make the one who accepts vulnerable to the power that others may wield.

But then you would have been provided catalyst again.

In other words, it directly makes us confront the loneliness of the inner self, which owns everything, but yet nothing!!

Well the inner self is a lot more lonely when it's been abandoned due to lack of acceptance. A great deal of psychological healing is available, along with energy, with acceptance.

[native]

Found this documentary where Jung is interviewed.

Thanks, I'll watch it later.

Judging can come from acceptance too. We necessarily have to evaluate and explain our evaluations to others.

Sure, I wasn't advocating passivity in all situations, just illustrating one way to integrate other self as self.

As far as I can tell such communication is a type of telepathy - but I only see that when there is some degree of trust or of acceptance or rapport.

I've never considered that in that particular circumstance. Interesting! Resonance with another may not just be related to vibration, but also unrecognized telepathy occurring.

At first I considered that we were going on tangents talking about all this, but it really is related directly to the present moment and time. I think understanding the present moment is the key to working with intelligent infinity/energy.

[zenmaster]

I've never considered that in that particular circumstance. Interesting! Resonance with another may not just be related to vibration, but also unrecognized telepathy occurring.

And going a little further, it becomes very recognizable as a shared presence or intelligence that also has a personal quality. It's another 'mind' principle that seems to be activated by blue-ray (not the DVD player). I can easily see how a SMC can naturally form from that dynamic.

At first I considered that we were going on tangents talking about all this, but it really is related directly to the present moment and time. I think understanding the present moment is the key to working with intelligent infinity/energy.

As far as I know, it's a prerequisite and there is no 'down side', unless one seeks to remain in some feel-good primordial state that it might provide.

[3DMonkey]

We glimpse the present moment more and more, our awareness starts to center itself in the one present moment, we see our thoughts arising with less identification, and we live life more and more as it is - less confused, more able to accept, happier, and more free from mental patterning and related pathologies. This freedom has been called 'enlightenment'. But of course there is always more freedom available, and therefore always more 'enlightenment'.

My first response to this sounded like karma talk to Confused. That's not what I was thinking. Attempt to explain now. Apologies. I'm not really a part of this thread.

I don't see 'living in the present' as less mental pattern and brain reliance. I see it as possessing the same fundamental mind and brain nuances that pertain to 3D life. I think paradigms can reshift and shuffle, but, in the end, all the same pieces are still applicable to the new form of thinking. I don't see it as something that can be escaped from, or freed from.

I'm at a point where I want to repeat myself. Maybe an analogy....

Old thinking: put food in box because I know I'll be hungry at lunch. I'm hungry at lunch because I prepared to be.

New way: here is my box in front of me. It's an empty box. Appreciate what it is. At One with the box. How can we appreciate existence together? There an orange. Beautiful orange. Smell it. Become one with it. What can I do to help the orange express it's existence? The box would like to hold the orange. See them as One with me. Yadda yadda

One is not different than the other in it's succeptibility to physics of the mind, brain, and biology. It's simply a different way to apply it. A different distortion. Not less or more distorted, just differently distorted. IMO.

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Buddha and Jesus. They knew what they were doing was making people listen. They had childhoods that shaped their desires. B probably desired that deep connection cause the rich kid never had it. Jesus saw some crazy death stuff that blew his mind and decided to do his best to help the world avoid that feeling. I don't think either of them were free from mental physics of 3D.

[Confused]

I'm not really a part of this thread.

I would love you to be close part of it, dear 3.

[zenmaster]

I don't see 'living in the present' as less mental pattern and brain reliance. I see it as possessing the same fundamental mind and brain nuances that pertain to 3D life.

The unbalanced biases are perpetuated by patterning. That's how complexes are retained and their structure is refreshed, for example. We tend to identify with one aspect of self at the expense of the other. Being present is an awareness that does not hold onto dualities. The unbalanced biases are strong attractors towards dualistic perception - that is, the more unbalanced the stronger the perceived duality. It's just a thought filter. A nuance is not what I'd categorize as a strong attractor or even an unbalanced bias.

[3DMonkey]

I don't see 'living in the present' as less mental pattern and brain reliance. I see it as possessing the same fundamental mind and brain nuances that pertain to 3D life.

The unbalanced biases are perpetuated by patterning. That's how complexes are retained and their structure is refreshed, for example. We tend to identify with one aspect of self at the expense of the other. Being present is an awareness that does not hold onto dualities. The unbalanced biases are strong attractors towards dualistic perception - that is, the more unbalanced the stronger the perceived duality. It's just a thought filter. A nuance is not what I'd categorize as a strong attractor or even an unbalanced bias.

Don't back me into a corner of word choice. I won't be able to escape

I suppose what I'm trying to explain is that "Being present in awareness without dualities" is, in actuality, a new pattern. I can't see that this new pattern would transcend a 3D structure of biases and patterns of duality. In my view, it only creates a new idea in biases and patterns that are completely subject to a new duality experience, but its tough because its one that attempts to deny it from the start.

[zenmaster]

I suppose what I'm trying to explain is that "Being present in awareness without dualities" is, in actuality, a new pattern. I can't see that this new pattern would transcend a 3D structure of biases and patterns of duality. In my view, it only creates a new idea in biases and patterns that are completely subject to a new duality experience, but its tough because its one that attempts to deny it from the start.

Right, one of the functions of the mind is to maintain patterns. The underlying biases are a reflection of the spirit in mind and these are primary to patterns, which are related to movement of thought. The balanced biases are what 'transcend', or make available new ability to consciousness. It's just that one follows the lead of the other, just how body follows the lead of mind. So the 'patterns' are indicators to that balance, as chakras are indicators of balance. Yet we still refer to 'chakra balancing', when in fact the indicator is secondary to the Work.

[Confused]

I suppose what I'm trying to explain is that "Being present in awareness without dualities" is, in actuality, a new pattern.

I think that is going to be a very tough and probably impossible task in 3D, 3. The third density seems to be one rife with lessons of duality, especially given the fact that it is the density of SELF-consciousness. So when the self in one is accentuated, it automatically leads to a sense of duality vis-a-vis the rest.

It is from that framework that we are expected to make our choice of either consciously choosing to integrate with the rest (STO) or further separate what is apparently already separate (STS). I think only the grace of the ONE can help a 3D entity to directly bypass the requirements of the density and leapfrog into the 7th density state of foreverness. All my opinion alone.

[3DMonkey]

I suppose what I'm trying to explain is that "Being present in awareness without dualities" is, in actuality, a new pattern. I can't see that this new pattern would transcend a 3D structure of biases and patterns of duality. In my view, it only creates a new idea in biases and patterns that are completely subject to a new duality experience, but its tough because its one that attempts to deny it from the start.

Right, one of the functions of the mind is to maintain patterns. The underlying biases are a reflection of the spirit in mind and these are primary to patterns, which are related to movement of thought. The balanced biases are what 'transcend', or make available new ability to consciousness. It's just that one follows the lead of the other, just how body follows the lead of mind. So the 'patterns' are indicators to that balance, as chakras are indicators of balance. Yet we still refer to 'chakra balancing', when in fact the indicator is secondary to the Work.

This causes delightful laughter. It brings all the deep contemplation back full circle to walking out the door and having a conversation with someone and simply living life. That's the best way to Work. So, it's not what you do, it's just that you do "do", and we can't not be doing. "Balance chakras" or "find somebody to join", same thing. It all comes back to living the life in front of you. This is the brilliance of the Logos.

[zenmaster]

It all comes back to living the life in front of you. This is the brilliance of the Logos.

And the 'grace'.

[3DMonkey]

"Go forth, then, in the great dance, empowered by the peace of the One Infinite Creator."

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"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time."

[native]

Lol 3DM, lunchbox meditation..that's a first.

So what else do we think of the present moment? I think it involves the process of coming to a greater and greater understanding of how the octave functions. It's easy to realize this density is an illusion..to be here now is easy. It seems that we should contemplate more and more what awareness really is, how this relates to our understanding of time in relation to the present, more specifically, how the present relates to the idea of the octave which is really a collection of moments existing as a cycle of completion.

Contemplating how the Higher Self functions seems to be a worthwhile route. Session 36 deals with this. The Higher Self looks back, which seem to be carefully chosen words. It views its past moments but "does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount." As I understand it, since the octave exists as a cycle of completion, all levels of the self exist simultaneously but we are limited to our awareness in the present so we can experience finity. By way of free will and possibility/probability, the present moment is unique going where it may, and if things change through the aiding of your Higher Self, your totality reflects this simultaneously also. So while there is completion, you are still able to explore freely, and in this way there is only the present. Because there seems to be parallel developments as Ra puts it. "The more in balance an entity becomes, the less the possibility/probability vortices may need to be explored in parallel experiences."

So I think the present moment is more than silent focus. It is about understanding the process of the octave as a whole and of course understanding the densities themselves and how they apply to the self. If we do this, we are then able to center our awareness in this knowledge by having a greater awareness of the metaphysical principles at work, and we can then learn how to work with intelligent infinity/energy. I think we can work with thought and energy in various ways, but a dedicated adept could do much more once forgotten knowledge is penetrated. I'm sure there are few who reach that level in 3d.

[Confused]

I'm sure there are few who reach that level in 3d.

How do these guys get to that stage? Do they move away from human habitations and take up some lonely residence? How do they go about the work and what is the process? I have always wondered on this.

Any ideas? And in an other thread, there is talk that May 21, 2011 could be important in terms of rapture So I better take sincere actions for enlightenment in the present moments available.

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Here is an interesting article to read in a similar vein -- Twilight of the Gods

[3DMonkey]

I'm sure there are few who reach that level in 3d.

How do these guys get to that stage? Do they move away from human habitations and take up some lonely residence? How do they go about the work and what is the process? I have always wondered on this.

Any ideas? And in an other thread, there is talk that May 21, 2011 could be important in terms of rapture So I better take sincere actions for enlightenment in the present moments available.

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Here is an interesting article to read in a similar vein -- Twilight of the Gods

Since this is a thread about time, I'll say that if you mess up before the 21st, you can always go back in time to reincarnate as the same person and try again, and this can happen for eternity

[Confused]

Oh no, 3, this one incarnation has been more than a handful for me. I do not have the capacity to live through a similar painful incarnation again. The next time, I am going to program a very happy family for myself. May be if you live to a very old age, I could be born to one of your children, and thus have you as grandpa I would love that

But of course, we have the uncertainty of the 'Twilight of the Gods' to deal with before that

[Turtle]

So I think the present moment is more than silent focus. It is about understanding the process of the octave as a whole and of course understanding the densities themselves and how they apply to the self. If we do this, we are then able to center our awareness in this knowledge by having a greater awareness of the metaphysical principles at work, and we can then learn how to work with intelligent infinity/energy. I think we can work with thought and energy in various ways, but a dedicated adept could do much more once forgotten knowledge is penetrated. I'm sure there are few who reach that level in 3d.

To this I would like to add...

Book 3, session 75

Questioner: I am sorry for my confusion. Sometimes, as you say, sound vibration complexes are not very adequate. The answer to this next question probably has to do with our distorted view of time, but as I see it, Wanderers in this density who come from the fifth-density or sixth-density should already be of a relatively high degree of adeptness and they must follow a slightly different path back to the adeptness that they once had in a higher density and get as close to it as they can in the third-density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Your query is less than perfectly focused. We shall address the subject in general. There are many Wanderers whom you may call adepts who do no conscious work in the present incarnation. It is a matter of attention. One may be a fine catcher of your game sphere, but if the eye is not turned as this sphere is tossed then perchance it will pass the entity by. If it turned its eyes upon the sphere, catching would be easy. In the case of Wanderers which seek to recapitulate the degree of adeptness which each had acquired previous to this life experience, we may note that even after the forgetting process has been penetrated there is still the yellow activated body which does not respond as does the adept which is of a green- or blue-ray activated body. Thusly, you may see the inevitability of frustrations and confusion due to the inherent difficulties of manipulating the finer forces of consciousness through the chemical apparatus of the yellow-ray activated body.

There have been numerous times, especially after waking from a very powerful dream experience, where I felt that I remembered how it feels to do various things which are beyond normal human function with my consciousness, and then feel quite frustrated that nothing happens when I try it in this body. Bah.

[3DMonkey]

Oh no, 3, this one incarnation has been more than a handful for me. I do not have the capacity to live through a similar painful incarnation again. The next time, I am going to program a very happy family for myself. May be if you live to a very old age, I could be born to one of your children, and thus have you as grandpa I would love that

Perhaps you already are....

[native]

How do these guys get to that stage? Do they move away from human habitations and take up some lonely residence? How do they go about the work and what is the process? I have always wondered on this.

It seems to stem from a lifetime of meditation, typically those in the East that learn to work with energy. I can't say that I know the answers, but learning to work with chi would be a good start.

Then there is the concept of the shaman which is an entirely different realm, but they are essentially healers.

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There have been numerous times, especially after waking from a very powerful dream experience, where I felt that I remembered how it feels to do various things which are beyond normal human function with my consciousness, and then feel quite frustrated that nothing happens when I try it in this body. Bah.

That must be frustrating. Nice find also. Yes it seems we are limited. Most of our achievable abilities seem to involve healing and the use of energy in various ways. I was particularly hopeful when I first came across the Law of One that it would give a working knowledge of the use of crystals, but for obvious reasons they refrained.

[Raman]

How do these guys get to that stage? Do they move away from human habitations and take up some lonely residence? How do they go about the work and what is the process? I have always wondered on this.

It seems to stem from a lifetime of meditation, typically those in the East that learn to work with energy. I can't say that I know the answers, but learning to work with chi would be a good start.

Then there is the concept of the shaman which is an entirely different realm, but they are essentially healers.

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There have been numerous times, especially after waking from a very powerful dream experience, where I felt that I remembered how it feels to do various things which are beyond normal human function with my consciousness, and then feel quite frustrated that nothing happens when I try it in this body. Bah.

That must be frustrating. Nice find also. Yes it seems we are limited. Most of our achievable abilities seem to involve healing and the use of energy in various ways. I was particularly hopeful when I first came across the Law of One that it would give a working knowledge of the use of crystals, but for obvious reasons they refrained.

yeah remember Atlantis...

[native]

Yeah that's what I was referring to. It would have been nice to have gained less harmful information, though they gave some helpful starting points. It was beneficial to realize that a crystal is frozen light.