The Spiritual Use of Entheogens

[Monica]

peels, thanks for posting your story! I was hoping you would post it! It could be very valuable to others. Thanks for sharing. You had some incredible experiences!

(Note: peelstreetguy had shared this story with me previously, via pm.)

After reading your story, when I looked up other Salvia stories on youtube and some other website, it seems that many other people had similar experiences. I read a number of the stories and it seemed that many had the same themes of some sort of void, a black nothingness, along with an awareness of a female entity as well as various negative entities.

I didn't really find any positive stories, that I recall.

That's not to say that Salvia is a negative spirit...Not having experienced this plant ally myself, I can only surmise that Ole's assessment might be right on: that Salvia is advanced stuff, best used only by experienced shamans. (shamen?) Definitely not a party drug!

I can only wonder what is happening to all those dual-activated teenagers using it. Maybe it's accelerating their activation and the surfacing of old issues...or maybe it's taking them totally off-course.

I don't regret my experiences, but they were so long ago. We're so late in the game now. It seems to me that inviting any plant ally is a decision to be made very carefully and consciously.

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I much prefer to work with plants, too, but I still think that there are certain times when syntethics like LSD are useful too. LSD is much easier to navigate once you get a hang of it, and that means you can avoid shadow work if you want. You can go directly for the light and sometimes that is very valuable. At times you might be too unstable and depressed to face deep issues with, for example, mushrooms, and a little pre-work with LSD can help you get rid of the worst, before you dive in at the deep end later.

Hmmm...interesting. I have very little experience, compared to some of the pro's on this forum! I only did LSD 5 times, and mushrooms twice, and that was over 30 years ago. In my case, the acid was definitely the 'deep end' and the mushrooms mild in comparison. I remember that when I did the shrooms, I realized that I could expand my awareness any time I chose, without any allies, and likewise could become instantly straight even while under the influence. I was probably wrong about that, since I've never been able to do it totally at will, and I certainly wouldn't want to do some drug and expect to straighten up instantly, but it was an interesting realization. Anyway, my last mushroom experience was mild, and right on the heels of a major spiritual awakening, so it was sort of anti-climactic. Only that 1st acid trip was truly profound. I guess I just didn't get enough experience in to really say much! I just remember being disappointed at not being able to recapture that first experience. But I guess I didn't need to.

About Salvia, I have very limited experience with this plant, but I could clearly feel that it's not a plant for beginners. It's very weird that it is sold in porn shops and gas stations as a mild substitute for weed, which it is not.

The thought of teens doing it as casually as they do pot really blows my mind. I wonder how many of them are getting their minds messed up!

[ayadew]

Regarding setting, having a chemical experience in nature could prove wonderful... I like nature.
In my city there's a park, well it's really big so it's name consist partially of the word "forest". Lots of trees and a few animals.
Is it a good idea to intake entheogens in such a place? Pros/cons? Any practical/physical complications to be aware of?

[Monica]

Regarding setting, having a chemical experience in nature could prove wonderful... I like nature.
In my city there's a park, well it's really big so it's name consist partially of the word "forest". Lots of trees and a few animals.
Is it a good idea to intake entheogens in such a place? Pros/cons? Any practical/physical complications to be aware of?

Undoubtedly, the mood and setting do influence the experience. I found that out the hard way. Being in a bad mood at the time I dropped acid amplified the negativity so drastically that it very nearly cost me my sanity.

It's against forum guidelines to make actual recommendations regarding such usage, so I will say only that such a place did seem to enhance my experience, the one time I did that. We did mushrooms in a very nice garden area, and it was completely different from my previous experiences which were inside playing music. It seems reasonable to me that a peaceful, natural setting would be nice...but then, natural settings might have unexpected annoyances like mosquitoes and ants, so that's something to take into consideration! I just walked into an anthill yesterday and the thought of doing that while tripping makes me shudder! My suggestion would be to seek your own guidance and use your discretion.

[ayadew]

That I will Monica.. thank you for your thoughts.

[Monica]

Our new member, sequoyah, has shared an experience with salvia:

Wanderer Stories > Greetings that I think is very worth reading.

[Eddie]

Our new member, sequoyah, has shared an experience with salvia:

Wanderer Stories > Greetings that I think is very worth reading.

In one of the Castaneda books there is a passage in which Don Juan speaks to Carlos about the "incomprehensible beauty" with which a tiny beetle perceives the Universe. Once, after smoking some Salvia divinorum, I perceived it too...and was fully aware that I was perceiving the universe as that beetle did.

One of the sad consequences of our consensus reality in the Western world, is that we tend to think in terms of a Darwinian evolutionary "ladder"; beings are "low", or "high", with us being the highest. We are not higher, and indeed, are blind to many truths that are revealed to "lower" beings. The beauty I saw through those beetle's eyes was so profound, so moving, so conducive to ecstasy, that I could easily spend eternity as a beetle, no longer blind to the miracles of Creation.

[Ali Quadir]

You are so right.. It's noteworthy to remind ourselves that even in the darwinian vision the beetle and most plants are evolved far beyond us. They had more time to do it in. The difference is that we evolved into consciousness they evolved into other specializations.

We still tend to be too self centered when looking at creation.

[@ndy]

I've not done drugs in 10 or so years now, but like someone else mentioned here I took a lot. I knew from a very young age I wanted to experiment with drugs.

LSD was my drug of choice, but ketamin, mdma anything I could get I would take and take in large quantities.
I had a huge range of amazing experiences. My first trip I felt like Jesus back from the dead.
I had mornings on my own on the beach helping the tide come in and being part of the sea. I saw faces every were, tree people - flowers talked to me, fairies, bubbles. I remember walking threw a ploughed felid and the lumps of soil were heads and as I stepped on them they crumbled into smaller heads. Every thing I looked at had pictures and patterns in like the magic eye images. I was a tiny being that belonged to the earth.


I had 100's of trips and never a bad one. I felt like Acid forced me into a walking, functioning medative state for 10+ hrs.

However I saw friends who were far less fortunate than me and one who never came back and ended her time here at the age of 21.

The birth of my children was exactly like trip, the way I surrendered to what my body and the universe was doing to me; let it show me what to do.
What I am experiencing in my life now is so similar to my experiences on drugs, but it's free and there’s no comedown.
I see the same images when I close my eyes, and open them. I have similar insights, love, excitement, feelings. I feel energy tangibly now - similarly to how I did then. I see deeper meaning in things and get messages.


Drugs are powerful but not without risk. I feel so blessed to have had all the experiences I have in my life and now too realise drugs are only a tool, and not the only way.

[peelstreetguy]

Thanks sequoyah. I'm always interested in hearing others peoples experiences with entheogens. There are many days when I wish Quo would explain to me some of the things that have happened to me and the entities that I've met during my past trips. Man, I've got a lot of questions I'd like answered!

[turtledude23]

4 years ago I was very depressed, the only thing that gave me a reason to stay alive was the fact that I could smoke pot once a week, alone in my room, when my parents were gone, I'd just listen to music, be happy, think differently. Once when I was high I had a spiritual experience, and I had no interest in spirituality back then, ever since that event everytime I smoke pot I either meditate to reach deep states I normally can't or try to learn new things from my new point of view. I seldomly smoke any more but the option is always available if I need it. I also tried psilocybin mushrooms once and hawaiin baby woodrose seeds (LSA) once and both times I didn't hallucinate but instead entered states of forced psychoanalysis/introspection and they were intense, I handled them well because I had strong will power but I don't know if I'll ever try "hallucinogens" (a rather inadequete term, because even if you do "hallucinate" what you see is most often an exagerated version of something actually there, not a true "oasis in the desert" type hallucination) again. I took LSD once but I was afraid and spat it out.

[AnthroHeart]

I've had experience with Salvia, DMT and an analogue of Ayahuasca (called Pharmahuasca because it is measured amounts of the active ingredients). Salvia didn't do much for me. There's something to be said about how much one can give of themselves to the extraction and preparation of DMT and Ayahuasca. The love going into making it, almost to a ritualistic level, adds a lot to the substance. When one spends 10+ hours over several days in the extraction and preparation, it shows great respect to the spirit of it. It can be rushed using different techniques, but slow and easy is better.

It's been awhile since I've experienced their effects, but I've lately felt the calling. It has helped a friend of mine with depression in the past, and opened up some deeper senses in myself.

[Wander-Man]

I just tried Salvia. I felt like I was taken back to my childhood, and everything was so simple and clear, as if all the crap was scraped off the windshield.

Then later on, I felt confronted by negative entities, but I wasn't afraid, I just knew that the light was more powerful, and they knew. It was as if I was more powerful than them. I shot them some light balls, haha. They felt good. It was a very interesting experience. I only did 20x though.

I did it with good friends and had the Shire music from LOTR playing in the background with incense burning. I think that helped make it positive. And I was wearing a Buddha shirt. That helped. My friends thought the whole setup was funny, but it definitely helped.

[Wander-Man]

I just tried Salvia. I felt like I was taken back to my childhood, and everything was so simple and clear, as if all the crap was scraped off the windshield.

Then later on, I felt confronted by negative entities, but I wasn't afraid, I just knew that the light was more powerful, and they knew. It was as if I was more powerful than them. I shot them some light balls, haha. They felt good. It was a very interesting experience. I only did 20x though.

I did it with good friends and had the Shire music from LOTR playing in the background with incense burning. I think that helped make it positive. And I was wearing a Buddha shirt. That helped. My friends thought the whole setup was funny, but it definitely helped.

And when I said I was more powerful, I meant that the love was more powerful..and the thoughts of confidence seemed to come from an outside source when confronted by the boogie monsters...almost as if I were living through someone else.

Not saying everyone should go try Salvia...but I'm pretty grateful for this experience haha.

[yossarian]

I did drugs for awhile.

It was great. Opened me up to new possibilities, gave me a good experience.

And then I stopped. It wasn't an issue. I didn't kill anyone, I didn't neglect my life too badly, nothing bad happened. I didn't get addicted and was capable of moderating my intake and finally stopping all together.

It probably helps that I only got into heavily when I was 24. And I stopped for good shortly after turning 25.

Anyway the people with horror stories are always the loudest, and the horror stories truly are horrific, but I think they have more to do with the issues of the person than with the drugs. People can and will abuse ANYTHING if they are unbalanced and unhappy - from food to videogames to meditation itself.

[Monica]

Companion thread:

Life on Planet Earth > Drugs - Good or bad?

[Experience You]

I am tempted to experiment with Salvia.

I am to familiar with the black void of nothingness, to me this is the seat of all that is, basically infinity undistorted.
The real reality is nothing(unaware=nothing, to an observer) and it is the birth place of everything.

But i feel that i am wired for this sort of stuff without drugs so i dunno. I will just let it slide for a while and if i still feel attracted to it then i will use it.

[Edinburgh]

I've had experience with Salvia, DMT and an analogue of Ayahuasca (called Pharmahuasca because it is measured amounts of the active ingredients). Salvia didn't do much for me. There's something to be said about how much one can give of themselves to the extraction and preparation of DMT and Ayahuasca. The love going into making it, almost to a ritualistic level, adds a lot to the substance. When one spends 10+ hours over several days in the extraction and preparation, it shows great respect to the spirit of it. It can be rushed using different techniques, but slow and easy is better.

It's been awhile since I've experienced their effects, but I've lately felt the calling. It has helped a friend of mine with depression in the past, and opened up some deeper senses in myself.

Having read Law of One several times and spent many hours in meditation, introspection, balancing, I was very interested in hearing about entheogens. I read Graham Hancocks "Supernatural" and was convinced that here was an approach that could help a person connect with their magical personality (higher 6th dimensional self).

I have never previously tried LSD or other substances, but was convinced to try ayahuasca due to Hancocks research into the pyramids that showed their timeline to be what Ra stated. Also he provides information to match Ra, on the existance of Atlantis. His research into ayahuasca was equally rigorous and convincing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hywVWD7yBqs - here is a link to an interview.
As a 40 year old man with no experience of drugs, it was quite a step for me to try this. However, following the guildelines of (mind) set, setting, intention and protection, I entered time/space as Ra described, and had an 'out of body' experience. Whenever I was worried, I expressed love and compassion, and it was fine. I felt a very powerful experience that put me in close touch with my myself. I shed my personality and became illuminated.

A strong point was the ayahuasca I took was legal and bought off ebay. The sellers compete to offer a good product.

I sincerely believe that this kind of experience can help open the indigo ray, or pineal gland, otherwise known as the third eye. Ra does mention in the LOO that initiates in the pyramid were given something to drink at the beginning of their 'experience'.
An excellent interview with Dr. Ede Frecsk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zYezARPG2E explains the difference between ayahuasca and LSD and others.

Sandra Ingerman also talks about this kind of 'shamanic' journeying in her 'soul retrieval' book.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Aaron]

I had a salvia experience last night. It was the first time that I used salvia in a way that felt comfortable and natural to me (probably due to past lives) - alone and in a shamanistic way. The particular vial of salvia I have, which is either 40 or 80x strength (don't remember) was bought at a headshop when I lived in Colorado (where it's not yet illegal to sell). So lady Salvinorin had been waiting at the bottom of my box of "special things" for about 8 months to teach/learn with me.

To prepare the set and setting, I sat on my bed in my room, turned on my favorite calming new age music, ground and packed about .15 gram of very high quality cannabis (also from my box ) and smoked it. There, now by being in a comfortable, familiar environment I could overcome the pitfalls I ran into the two previous times I experienced salvia. There would be no other person present that I would convince myself mid-trip had tricked me into taking a substance that would mess me up forever and mess everything else up forever by revealing all the secrets of the universe right then and there. There would be no anxiety (because I was pretty baked). And there would be no distractions. The comfortable, familiar song playing which I often meditate to, and the fact that I'm alone in my room with everything set up for this trip around me would re-assure me mid-trip that I set this up for myself to experience, and it wasn't some horrible trick. I knew that the single cause of a bad trip (besides physical discomfort) during a psychedelic experience is the fear of the loss of self. When the self begins to be deconstructed, the person is afraid that they will never come back together as themselves, that they will be infinitely lost in some void while their body and mind go permanently insane down on planet earth. I knew that's the fear that needs to be overcome because it's unfounded. The ego is never lost. It is always right there again and you find yourself again after the trip. I was never able to allow myself to become unraveled in my previous experiences with the drug because of my friends being present, therefore the drug being used in a disrespectful and inappropriate manner. When salvia tried to show me the all important thing, I always felt like the universe up until that point had been playing a cruel trick on me. And I didn't want to be exposed in front of my friend, learning that this whole thing was just to lead up to this salvia experience and they're in on it too! Trying to explain this to your friend, who is at a different spiritual level and background and therefore experiencing a lesser or non-spiritual trip (such as merging with an inanimate object), while your own trip is coming down, does not lead to happy times.

The song I listened to during the trip was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVKI4P8Nq4
The intro song on Gandalf's Sacred River album. When I meditate while listening to it, I try to raise my vibration with the expectation of a beautiful thing that's sure to come. This particular song slowly builds up a wonderful, peaceful, calm energy, then drops it away and ends abruptly. The trip followed the same formula.

I took the glass vial of salvia and held it to my heart, respecting it and the spirit of the plant and its unique reaction to man's consciousness as the fullness of the Creator, and asked it to teach me something. I requested that (although I respect the free will of the experience and the plant to teach me whatever it wishes to teach) it teach me to love myself, as I think I've been coming up short in that area lately...

I packed the tiny bowl of the spoon (style of glass pipe) that I have specifically for smoking salvia. Then, I looked at the clock. 1:06 AM. The entire time I was preparing and smoking the initiatory cannabis, I was wondering if/expecting it to line up to a 1:11 or 1:01 when I took the hit of salvia. Now lately, especially when I'm high (for whatever reason), the universe will decide to grant silly synchronicities like that when I expect them to occur just to prove that the Creator is right there, watching over my shoulder so to speak, all the time, and willing to work with me. Once, I was driving away from a friend's house (completely blazed) and decided to meditate in the car because I don't often get the chance to meditate while high. (like to share the experience with friends) I wondered if/expected to see a 111 as I started. I chastised myself for taking such a sacred spiritual tool, something in God's hands, and making it a toy with my own expectations. Well, I felt like someone up above chuckled as I glanced left and right and saw 11, 101, 111, two 1's on one sign that from my angle lined up with a 1 on another sign. (mostly roadsigns) I just laughed out loud at that point... I must have seen 4 or 5 instances of the repeating digit in the span of about 15 seconds. I think we're really drawing closer to the border between 3rd and 4th density.

Now I had to select a piece to pack a small amount of cannabis in to smoke after the whole deal's over during the period of introspection. I kinda knew that no matter what piece I chose, how fast or slow I packed it, or how much I put in there, synchronicity would "catch me" and I would be taking that hit at 1:11 AM. But it was fun to experience anyway. I chose to pack the pinchy (only holds a pinch) because I was already plenty under the effects of cannabis, still would be after the short salvia trip, and would only need a small amount of cannabis basically as a comfort for the introspection period. I packed it at a normal rate, forgetting about the time. I sat up, took two deep breaths of fresh air, grabbed the salvia pipe, and was about to hit it. Then, something grabbed my attention towards the clock.

1:11 AM!!!

Alright, so here I am in the Creator's universe, with the Creator sitting right here over my shoulder waiting for me to hit this pipe and fully endorsing it. So, there should be no fear... So, I hit the pipe, the beginning song on the cd about a third of the way through. I use the normal salvia technique, burning the entire one hit and holding it in for about 10/15 seconds. I exhaled and lay back on my pillow, staring at the ceiling, waiting for the effects. Then, I realized that I was in the salvia time tunnel AGAIN. Everywhere I looked, every time I moved my eyes from one point on the ceiling to another, that point would get drawn back/away/up and out of this reality, towards the edge of the tunnel that was slowly forming. The song built in intensity as did the trip. I began to hear familiar thought-voices telling me "We want to show you something amazing... everybody in the universe must see this." With every single tiny movement of my being, whether some wisp of thought broke out of the void of my otherwise silent mind, or whether I moved my eyeball this way or that, a new geometric segment would be added to the tunnel that was quickly enveloping my entire vision. The end point of the tunnel was dead center in my field of vision.

When I would try to look somewhere else or take a mental step back to try to gain some awareness of what was happening, I would be met with a new segment of the reality-tube that would capture the events of the past couple seconds and add it to the infinitely repeating loop. I felt like I was being very slowly lifted or separated from my body. There was an overwhelming force of consciousness that became aware of me again. It knew me from my previous salvia experiences - the consciousness of the plant as Creator. With every tiny movement of my being (eye movements or thoughts) this being, slowly entering my field of awareness (which was now slowly creeping up on and replacing my field of vision as I was pulled away from human reality) would send another universe-changing impulse that would race through all the infinite creations to meet tiny me in my bedroom. What this impulse would do was re-arrange every event in the universe in order to once again capture me into this tube and keep me from going away from this trip.

I even remember relaxing a little bit when the visual effects of the tube began to amaze me. At one point, I moved my eyes back and forth rapidly while slowly drawing them up my field of vision. This added hundreds of layers to the tube of reality, the yellow paint on the walls of my room becoming part of the tube while the white ceiling became the other half, and I enjoyed the stunning visual of a thread of tube-shaped reality points that I had just purposefully cast into a yellow and white arch shape across my ceiling with my eye movements. And at one point, the geometric segments of the tube seemed to be so intricate that many worlds could fit into the seemingly golf ball sized "end" of the segment.

I felt like I was "turning to face the Creator" if one could metaphysically rotate their consciousness's position to see the God that's always there right underneath/outside/around this reality. But I didn't want to turn and face the Creator, I wanted a salvia trip! So, I was torn between left and right, duality. I even tried to sit up, and even physical movements were accounted for in this continual weaving of the reality-tube that drew me in. My physical movements were jerky, and each one added a layer that was a bit more rough or unrefined, to the reality tunnel. (compared to my thoughts) Every time another layer would be added, I felt this massive consciousness become disheartened with my choice to add another layer rather than to give in. The familiar voices that joined my thoughts expressed her disappointment, telling me things like "Every time we are at this point, this happens, then this happens, and then you this and this and that..." predicting my every movement and my every thought. With every movement, they expressed my subconscious thoughts relating to that movement back to me, dictating that THAT'S why I never get to fully experience this. I got the sense that I had lived a literally countless (think gigazabajillions) amount of lives in a timeless state that were identical or very similar to this one. And every time I lived this life of Aaron from birth to the point at 1:14 AM (glanced at the clock just then) and every time I decided to smoke this plant, and every time I decided to make the mistake of not letting go all the way. And every time I looked at the ceiling there and there and there and thought this and that and moved this way and that way. And I got the feeling that if I did give in and fully face the Creator, that I would be re-born/time travel backwards to my birth and re-live this life again, with this memory getting taken away from me again, only to hopefully culminate in some other different choice, something "new" to the Creator, at the point where I decided to smoke this plant and lay on my bed and look at the clock etc. etc. ad nauseum.

The tube was very deep now. And the presence that I was turning to face was becoming more all-present, more loving, more bright and radiant, more like the Creator. As I continued to "turn" to face more of the Creator, I felt more light enter all of my being, all selves forever forwards and ever backwards, directly proportionate in infinitely precise measurements to the exact metaphysical angle which I found my own consciousness at relative to all-consciousness of the Creator. I realized that I no longer felt any effects of the cannabis at this point. The salvia experience had blown that completely away along with physical reality. Then what was the warm feeling of pleasure and peace that was circulating through my... body? Then, I realized that I was completely separated from my body and I was experiencing a spiritual warmth as I moved closer to the Creator. Imagine the most excited you've ever been about anything in your life. This excitement, this electrical charge of pure ALIVENESS penetrates your entire being the closer you come to the Creator. And the vibrations of the light become faster, and peace, and love, and warmth, and certainty, on a level that can't be experienced in a 3rd density life, increase. This Creator was comforting. This Creator's full presence went beyond male and female, but it contained a female presence that radiates out love. Actually I was even able to identify the Creator-selves of a couple of my spiritually-closest friends contained within that all-presence, excited as can be for my return.

At this point, confusion and fear kept me from going any farther. I was still struggling with the fact that my salvia experiences never seem to be generic salvia experiences, but instead universe-shattering, infinitely repeating loops of perpetual self-disappointment and self-denial of the divine within. I remember thinking "This just isn't fair!!!" about the time loops and reality-tube, just before the song ended and I was released back into "normalcy". I was concerned for a couple minutes after as I tentatively chose actions to do such as take a drink of water. I was half expecting to suddenly remember trying to drink the water after I sat up after I looked there and there etc. etc. all in order to escape the trip. If that happened, I'd be pulled into the tube again. But it didn't happen. And the feelings that lent themselves to that kind of thought slowly tapered off and I was left with only the pleasant salvia afterglow. Because I've never gone that far and never experienced ego death, and because I was confused about what a salvia trip should really be, I listened to my fear which distorted the truth of the beautiful and natural process, convincing me that I would be infinitely trapped in a cycle of reliving my own life to that point if I chose to let go. I should have listened to the voice of love, which was telling me to just let go, let go. I also didn't realize that what the Creator wanted was to merge with me to experience the "newness" of my life, the "mystery" of the new information I was bringing to her, for a timeless forever before letting me go again to go back to this life and gain more experience.

So... do all psychedelic experiences culminate in a death and rebirth? Or is this just salvia? Why does it seem to be the ultimate experience of the soul, rather than a trip? And most importantly... should I go all the way tonight?

Oh yeah, and here's a handy page, along with a special scale exclusively for rating salvia experiences. (Scroll down to "The SALVIA Experiential Rating Scale")

http://sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html

I would place my experience as an I.

EDIT: One detail I forgot to mention. Upon re-entrance to my body, which coincided with the reconstruction of physical reality, I felt like everything was simply zipped right back snugly together. My body felt like it was pulled back together along the chakra line as if it had been split right in half.

[Unbound]

These things relate to the Fifth Stage of Alchemical Transformation - Fermentation. Yes, their purpose is the experience of Ego Death and Rebirth.


http://www.deeptrancenow.com/exc3_fermentation.htm

FERMENTATION is the fifth operation in the alchemy of transformation.

Fermentation is a two-stepped process that begins with the Putrefaction of the hermaphroditic "child" from the Conjunction resulting in its death and resurrection to a new level of being. The Fermentation phase then begins with the introduction of new life into the product of Conjunction to strengthen it and insure its survival.

Chemically, Fermentation is the growth of a ferment (bacteria) in organic solutions, such as occurs in the fermenting of milk to produce curds and cheese or in the fermenting of grapes to make wine. In the Arcanum Experiment, the process of Fermentation is represented by a compound called Liquor Hepatis, which is an oily, reddish-brown mixture of ammonia and the rotten-egg-smelling compound hydrogen sulfide. Egyptian alchemists made ammonia by heating camel dung in sealed containers and thought of it as a kind of refined Mercury that embodied the life force. Liquor Hepatis means "Liquor of the Liver," which they believed was the seat of the Soul, and the color they associated with the compound was green, the color of bile. Surprisingly, Liquor Hepatis exudes a wonderful fragrance, and the alchemists made a perfume of it called "Balsam of the Soul."

Psychologically, the Fermentation process starts with the inspiration of spiritual power from Above that reanimates, energizes, and enlightens the alchemist. Out of the blackness of his Putrefaction comes the yellow Ferment, which appears like a golden wax flowing out of the foul matter of the Soul. Its arrival is announced by a brilliant display of colors and meaningful visions called the "Peacock’s Tail." Fermentation can be achieved through various activities that include intense prayer, desire for mystical union, breakdown of the personality, transpersonal therapy, psychedelic drugs, and deep meditation. Fermentation is living inspiration from something totally beyond us.

Physiologically, Fermentation is the rousing of living energy (chi or kundalini) in the body to heal and vivify. It is expressed as vibratory tones and spoken truths emerging from the Throat or Mercury Chakra.

In Society, the Fermentation experience is the basis of religion. On the Planetary level, it is the evolution of life to produce higher consciousness.

[Aaron]

Tried salvia once again, comfortable with going all the way. I took the first hit, (forgetting to hold it in long enough!) then laid down, closed my eyes and waited. I kind of expected the reality-tube to start, but instead I got the feeling of entering the sequence, when I realized my self was persistent, and wouldn't let me go. (I didn't realize that I forgot to hold in the hit until later.) Instead, I seemed to experience the trip in a very subtle way, with the familiar reality being first at hand, the cosmic/salvia reality second.

Interestingly, the persistent self allowed me to somewhat observe what happened as the “tube” formed. It seemed that reality broke into geometrically consistent pieces that were creating bands of harmonic resonances as they were re-constructed into something more evolved, more streamlined, that I was the center of. I intuit that I started to “travel” to a state of being closer to the Creator simply by changing my perception. (in this case, having my perception changed for me) But I still had a persistent self in a lower part of the reality spectrum that I was now aware of, and also was in the process of re-arranging so that I and the Creator were fully in eachother's company. That self created my familiar reality around me, in most of my field of awareness, more so and more so over the next few seconds that it began to re-encompass me until I was back to normal. The whole thing lasted only about 30 seconds.

Then, I chucked at my silliness for forgetting the proper technique, and took another hit correctly. I exhaled and hit the pillow, eyes shut. The following takes place over about 3 minutes. I realized I was trying to remember something EXTREMELY important, and it had to do with the thought I was just in the process of working out in my head. While I don't consciously remember starting to think anything to myself, the sense that I was just on the edge of a brilliant revelation was there, and that I HAD to finish that thought before I could fully realize it. As sure as 1+1=2, that thought that was just in my head moments ago MUST be fully worked to its completion before the ultimate realization could be presented to myself.

But what was the thought? I had to remember it. I got the feeling that in order to finish that train of thought, I had to gather myself. I had to gain some perspective on where/who I was so I could finish that train of thought that was so important. Then, I realized that the entire universe culminates in that train of thought. In fact, that's what everybody and everything is trying to figure out! That's right, the entire universe ends with this precise thought and action, that precise situation I found myself in. I was at the very edge of the universe in the company of the Creator, along with an infinitude of familiar beings urging me to finish that train of thought so that the ultimate realization could be presented to me.

I really felt like I was at the very edge of all possibilities. Everything in all the infinite universes seemed to culminate at this point where I was about to be presented with the ultimate realization. Suddenly, I became aware that in order to figure this out, I would have to live it all backwards, all the lives of all the beings all the way back to the beginning where all the creative potential exploded outwards aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllll those timeless eons ago.

At this point, my eyes shot open. I'm pretty sure it was because the I that became aware of the fact that I'd have to live everybody and everything backwards back to the beginning was my little ego, kicking in again and separating me from the experience due to a human mind's obvious inability to work out cosmic mysteries by running entire universes worth of data in what the human mind would consider an insanely short period of time.

Meanwhile, reality was being re-woven in front of my open eyes, musically. (I was listening to the same song again this time around.) My glances around the room beautifully and perfectly coincided with the song I was listening to. My gaze felt led rather than directed by me. I was helpless observer. My eyes would travel along a straight line of an object in the room in sequence with the bars of the music. Everywhere I would look, reality always seemed to be complete only in a direction that was towards a central point. And as my vision was lead around the edges of objects, a few more inches of reality seemed to add themselves onto a tube that was forming.

The central point was the end of the tube, where I could still sense the Creator's presence, along with the infinitude of other-selves. The point of ultimate realization was so strong, the thoughts of that reality over-arched the tube reality and I think that's what lead me to believe I would have to bear witness to the musical weaving together of everything in the universe, from that central point that was my perception outwards. I thought I was in for a very long experience indeed. Just imagining how long it would take to weave everything together at a pleasant 90 bpm and an average speed of 1 foot/sec which only added about 4 inches onto the total picture made all of my human brain spin. Just planet earth would take... yikes. And all the while, the familiar voices were explaining how every time they tried to take apart reality to show me this ultimate realization, it always fails because I looked this way or that way or thought this or that... etc.

Interestingly, the ending point of this time loop ended up being “because I smoked this plant”. After I looked at the salvia and thought that, I was released from the trip.

So, guess I'm not ready yet...

If there's one thing that I've taken away from this trip, it's the sense of awe that when I re-entered this side of the veil, the central point of all the infinite universes which is the Creator was suddenly nothing more than the center of my attention or vision. Consciousness is truly veiled here in that full awareness of the entirety of Creator is narrowed down to what is comparatively one single spot, your awareness.

[3DMonkey]

Awesome!!!

I've something sort of similar when recovering from surgery. Namely, that "grasp this thought" thing.

That's really great, Aaron.


If I may express my perception, you were IN the "letting go" melding-ness, and yes- the single spot of your awareness did return. I imagine this is what we are, the "let go" wash of energy funneled into our singular 'spot' that we call our Entity, or Self. I call it a wash because I don't think we are an entity except at the point where it all pools to this spot, and when we release fully, we wash out to be restructured by a new funnel into a point. Intelligent Infinity

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(maybe stop while you are ahead.... unless you want to wash out and lose your spot.... or worse, a partial wash out)

[Aaron]

Awesome!!!

I've something sort of similar when recovering from surgery. Namely, that "grasp this thought" thing.

That's really great, Aaron.


If I may express my perception, you were IN the "letting go" melding-ness, and yes- the single spot of your awareness did return. I imagine this is what we are, the "let go" wash of energy funneled into our singular 'spot' that we call our Entity, or Self. I call it a wash because I don't think we are an entity except at the point where it all pools to this spot, and when we release fully, we wash out to be restructured by a new funnel into a point. Intelligent Infinity

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(maybe stop while you are ahead.... unless you want to wash out and lose your spot.... or worse, a partial wash out)

Very perceptive!! I like your thoughts on that matter.

Haha washing out definitely does not sound fun. I think the message is that I'm not ready yet. After some introspection on the second trip, I feel that the strong urge I got to finish the thought I was in the process of moments ago was due to a subtle whisper from "the small voice within" which I was very perceptive to at that point. As close as I can get the subconscious whisper to fit into words is: "Didn't you have a life to finish back there before you come to see me?"

[Unbound]

This is the thing about psychedelic drugs, their only really useful aspect is to reveal to you that you do not need them. No matter how far you go you will either simply get lost or find yourself right back where you were, the "progress" they create is somewhat illusory and cyclical.

[AnthroHeart]

Ayahuasca and DMT served their purpose for me long ago. But I'm pretty much energy sensitive now so they no longer serve a purpose. They did great for opening me up. But I tend to ride the fence on balance vs being overwhelmed. I tend to ride at the front of the wave as I call it.

[Unbound]

That's just it, they're good for showing you what is possible, but beyond that it is all repetition and they are quite unnecessary.

[3DMonkey]

Don't push it too much, Azrael. I might start thinking my life serves no purpose...

[Nyu]

What an interesting thread. It's not something I like to really talk about unless I know everyone is cool with it, but I have done LSD a few times, and I truly believe it is what really kick-started this whole journey. I feel that it puts you/me temporarily into the 4th dimension. I'm still me, but I feel whole, I can feel all of my energy and I am not kidding when I say it kind of gives me "super powers". I AM the mother and the creator, and when my mind is fully open, I know it and I can use the energy without even trying. I feel that is the "me" that I already am, or will become. But I want to attain it without the use of that stuff and I don't think we can in this life.. the comforting part is the thought that if I already can do all of those things in a different state, maybe I really am a wanderer and that I should just relax and allow the memories to come back in their own time.

my bf and I are planning on trying DMT soon as we watched "the spirit molecule" the other week and are now a little nervous but definitely curious.

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Azrael, no they are not "needed" but imo they are/can be very positive tools to crack open the consciousness for those it doesn't happen for naturally. I believe they can show the beauty of life that is hidden for most people, and once you open to that way of thought, even if you never do it again, I believe you are changed for the better, forever, because it brings back pieces of the eternal memory.

[Unbound]

Don't push it too much, Azrael. I might start thinking my life serves no purpose...

If you've found your purpose in drugs I'm afraid you may be missing the point! Of course, you are welcome to learn your own lessons at your own pace. Many people feel that psychedelics "free" them and give them new perspectives, but all it does it force-feed you the perceptions you already possess aha

Nyu, same for me actually, LSD was a gateway to the realization of my decent in to the body, and opened me up to the experiential reality of energy. However, we CAN attain anything and everything we want to in this life if you allow yourself to. The perception that it "can't be done without drugs" is a barrier to that very possibility.

Acceptance is all that is needed, acceptance of who you are, acceptance of your memories and acceptance of SELF-TRUST. We are all the creator and only we can reveal to ourselves whom we are. Drugs put us outside of ourselves, and this is why it seems as though they "change" us, but in truth they can only attempt to confirm for us what we already know. This is the potential trap of drugs, because it is very easy to attribute things to a "trip" or to "changes in the brain", but truly it is US that has created the power found in drugs, not the other way around.

DMT is something like acid compressed, and likely a little less artificial feeling. I've actually been experimenting more with mild trance herbs and the like. How shall I say, the psychedelics I've done have allowed me to do the "rough hewn" outline of my self but now I need subtle balancing and careful design and approach so I may refine the sculpture of my reality in to a beautiful form.

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Of course, these things are just my perspectives, and others may find psychedelics to be just what they need, it's all up to you to trust your own discretion!

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Also, I'm not disagreeing that they are a good tool for those who have difficulties opening themselves, however one must always be careful of a reliance on something outside of one's own power. It can be self-enslaving.

[Nyu]

I agree they can be enslaving if you start thinking they are the only way forward. I also like to use just a small amount of cannabis to meditate. I don't always do that, but I realised I can achieve in a few minutes what would probably take hours without, and I've also searched deep within to decide whether this helps or hinders my progression. I feel it helps, so long as I stay in control and take breaks etc, and like you said, know that everything I can do there is everything that is already inside. I wonder if in a way they are a placebo. we reach our potential because we believe we can. If we found that belief without assistance, we can do all the same things in our everyday lives. its hard though because the conditioning of believing we have no power in 3D is so strong.