6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?

[zenmaster]

I wonder sometimes (and perhaps Zen and Unity can empathize with me on this) why I'm so inclined to rational analysis of everything and having so little emotion, its very hard for me to feel compassion for someone in front of me, but easier to feel compassion for an idea (e.g. a genocide or famine) or an animal. These are traits which serve STS better. I wonder if I was of a negative path in previous incarnations.

I think it's fairly easy to see where your own service-orientation bias is, within this incarnation.
As Ra said, "Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

We now speak of that genie, or elemental, or mythic figure, culturally determined, which sends the arrow to the left-hand transformation. This arrow is not the arrow which kills but rather that which, in its own way, protects. Those who choose separation, that being the quality most indicative of the left-hand path, are protected from other-selves by a strength and sharpness equivalent to the degree of transformation which the mind has experienced in the negative sense. Those upon the right-hand path have no such protection against other-selves for upon that path the doughty seeker shall find many mirrors for reflection in each other-self it encounters."

The analytical mind is a indeed one that works through a process of separating. But it's not necessarily separation of self, from self. Or of separation of self from other self. Being rational is not intrinsically dominating or controlling, even though it may seem that way due to the manner in which one works with the illusion to create further abstractions which are necessarily circumstantial and exclusionary to a 'whole' or the 100% complementary feeling point of view.

It's sort of a fool-proof system in that what can be made viable, from the logos, is necessarily part of ourselves either currently or potentionally. We are here to learn and share what we know and any honest depiction of what one knows is going to be useful.

[unity100]

I wonder sometimes (and perhaps Zen and Unity can empathize with me on this) why I'm so inclined to rational analysis of everything and having so little emotion, its very hard for me to feel compassion for someone in front of me, but easier to feel compassion for an idea (e.g. a genocide or famine) or an animal. These are traits which serve STS better. I wonder if I was of a negative path in previous incarnations.

the problem with this nexus is, the society of 3d entities which were supposed to be in 3d, are actually not only vibrating in 2d patterns of orange, but also having a complex distortions system in 2d terms. everything in the society, even the higher principles of higher densities manifesting in this density, are debased and tied to manifestations and concerns of self of 2d. the higher-tier concepts, principles, technologies the wanderers and confederation efforts introduced to this environment, led to creation of a complex distortion system.

this creates a major problem. 2d consciousness is sticky. it is stubborn. it is obsessive. conditioned, reflexive. repetitive. habitual. possessive. unaware of the outside world. it creates an environment in which entities behave like a school of fish.

endless varieties and measures of strongly accepted/rejected emotions and thought forms fly in this space, and the societal mind pulls itself and as a result its members this and that way through these. especially higher energies get pulled like a small child would and get used up/wasted inefficiently.

this affects any entity, naturally any entity raising its vibrations too. any of them will get affected by the push and pulls of the society, its thought forms flying here and there.

it makes any kind of emotion that is not in line with what the school of fish or its local sections feeling at that time, much much harder, due to orange ray properties. if you just accept the movements of the school, this time you are flung here, and there, or stubbornly held in a certain place for extended durations.

two ways out are either being rational, and acting rationally despite the emotional spasms of the school, or, get out of the school. the first part would dull you a bit, the second part would be rather hard due to needing to be in the school to sustain your life, or your amenities. (for the latter, internet may be a good example). not to mention that the school doesnt like those who like to break away from it, or, act against its own fluctuations.

looking back at history of the seekers that were of note in spiritual field, a lot of them in the past on this planet generally chose the latter.

[turtledude23]

I wonder sometimes (and perhaps Zen and Unity can empathize with me on this) why I'm so inclined to rational analysis of everything and having so little emotion, its very hard for me to feel compassion for someone in front of me, but easier to feel compassion for an idea (e.g. a genocide or famine) or an animal. These are traits which serve STS better. I wonder if I was of a negative path in previous incarnations.

I think it's fairly easy to see where your own service-orientation bias is, within this incarnation.
As Ra said, "Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

We now speak of that genie, or elemental, or mythic figure, culturally determined, which sends the arrow to the left-hand transformation. This arrow is not the arrow which kills but rather that which, in its own way, protects. Those who choose separation, that being the quality most indicative of the left-hand path, are protected from other-selves by a strength and sharpness equivalent to the degree of transformation which the mind has experienced in the negative sense. Those upon the right-hand path have no such protection against other-selves for upon that path the doughty seeker shall find many mirrors for reflection in each other-self it encounters."

The analytical mind is a indeed one that works through a process of separating. But it's not necessarily separation of self, from self. Or of separation of self from other self. Being rational is not intrinsically dominating or controlling, even though it may seem that way due to the manner in which one works with the illusion to create further abstractions which are necessarily circumstantial and exclusionary to a 'whole' or the 100% complementary feeling point of view.

It's sort of a fool-proof system in that what can be made viable, from the logos, is necessarily part of ourselves either currently or potentionally. We are here to learn and share what we know and any honest depiction of what one knows is going to be useful.

I treat my unconscious mind with respect the majority of the time, are you trying to say that it doesn't matter if consciously dislike people in general because its not as central to polarization as how you treat yourself?

I don't understand your last 2 paragraphs, could you rephrase them?

I wonder sometimes (and perhaps Zen and Unity can empathize with me on this) why I'm so inclined to rational analysis of everything and having so little emotion, its very hard for me to feel compassion for someone in front of me, but easier to feel compassion for an idea (e.g. a genocide or famine) or an animal. These are traits which serve STS better. I wonder if I was of a negative path in previous incarnations.

the problem with this nexus is, the society of 3d entities which were supposed to be in 3d, are actually not only vibrating in 2d patterns of orange, but also having a complex distortions system in 2d terms. everything in the society, even the higher principles of higher densities manifesting in this density, are debased and tied to manifestations and concerns of self of 2d. the higher-tier concepts, principles, technologies the wanderers and confederation efforts introduced to this environment, led to creation of a complex distortion system.

this creates a major problem. 2d consciousness is sticky. it is stubborn. it is obsessive. conditioned, reflexive. repetitive. habitual. possessive. unaware of the outside world. it creates an environment in which entities behave like a school of fish.

endless varieties and measures of strongly accepted/rejected emotions and thought forms fly in this space, and the societal mind pulls itself and as a result its members this and that way through these. especially higher energies get pulled like a small child would and get used up/wasted inefficiently.

this affects any entity, naturally any entity raising its vibrations too. any of them will get affected by the push and pulls of the society, its thought forms flying here and there.

it makes any kind of emotion that is not in line with what the school of fish or its local sections feeling at that time, much much harder, due to orange ray properties. if you just accept the movements of the school, this time you are flung here, and there, or stubbornly held in a certain place for extended durations.

I think your observation about humanity in general being more 2D is true and I find it helpful.

two ways out are either being rational, and acting rationally despite the emotional spasms of the school, or, get out of the school. the first part would dull you a bit, the second part would be rather hard due to needing to be in the school to sustain your life, or your amenities. (for the latter, internet may be a good example). not to mention that the school doesnt like those who like to break away from it, or, act against its own fluctuations.

If I understand correctly you're saying the 2 options are either 1) be a stoic/vulcan or 2) withdraw from society and be a hermit literally or by "living on the internet". I've done both of these things.

[unity100]

higher energies get pulled like a small child would

with this, i meant higher energies get pulled like a small child would pull them - this refers to the orange ray possessiveness/energy stealing that is so common in our planetary society. people exhaust energies like a child, and the fastest to get exhausted are the higher frequency energies - whomever has them. they get sucked out from the entity speedily by ambient weight of the environment or by entities.

two ways out are either being rational, and acting rationally despite the emotional spasms of the school, or, get out of the school. the first part would dull you a bit, the second part would be rather hard due to needing to be in the school to sustain your life, or your amenities. (for the latter, internet may be a good example). not to mention that the school doesnt like those who like to break away from it, or, act against its own fluctuations.

If I understand correctly you're saying the 2 options are either 1) be a stoic/vulcan or 2) withdraw from society and be a hermit literally or by "living on the internet". I've done both of these things.

ways are probably as many as can an entity imagine. it would depend on the spiritual nature and balance of entity, whatever you can name. environment, routine, this that.

withdrawing from society however, seems to be the most widely used option, and there is even talk in that direction in Ra material regarding the situation of adept and the society. (i think it passes in 5d /blue talk).

[Suzanne 1746]

Re: 6th Density Negatively Polarized Wanderer......Perhaps Pierre Plantard St Clare - Priory of Sion? imagine if this dude was 6th density positive polarized wanderer? Suzanne

[unity100]

Re: 6th Density Negatively Polarized Wanderer......Perhaps Pierre Plantard St Clare - Priory of Sion? imagine if this dude was 6th density positive polarized wanderer? Suzanne

his main activity seems to be grandeurization and aggrandizement of self. there isnt any message of any kind of 'unity' or 'oneness' of everything in his life or messages. therefore even if maybe negatively polarized/inclined, it doesnt fulfill the 6th density characteristics on the surface.

even then he seems to be just a plain 3d negative inclined entity, or a crook.

[native]

I have often thought that it would be poetic for newly converted positive 6D entities to incarnate for the purpose of being central figures in illuminating truth. It would almost seem to be a requirement to come and express their newly integrated philosophy, or at least highly desirable as it's possible there may be a type of regret in regards to their past that is felt once the switch is made..though I'm not sure about that. I'd imagine them to have influential personalities, a strong sense of self, which help as teachers.

And if wandering is such a risk, it would make sense that a newly positive 6d entity might feel more comfortable with the gamble because of the end reward should they not polarize. Because if they don't and are required to incarnate in 3d for a great cycle, it only means more opportunity to balance and serve. They effectively would be rich in experience having walked both the negative and positive paths.

I'm sure negative wanderers mask as positive figures, so I imagine Ra didn't want to cause confusion.

[turtledude23]

I'm sure negative wanderers mask as positive figures, so I imagine Ra didn't want to cause confusion.

I think the reason Ra with held that information was because a large portion of the wanderers on Earth now are likely formerly of the negative path, meaning the person who's reading that could be one or someone they know could be. If you knew someone on Earth right now who used to be 5D negative your perception of them would change regardless of how mature your beliefs about STS are.

[zenmaster]

I treat my unconscious mind with respect the majority of the time, are you trying to say that it doesn't matter if consciously dislike people in general because its not as central to polarization as how you treat yourself?

'liking' people is a personal thing and also deals with emotional bias. I don't think that liking has much to do with positive polarization, since polarization is dealing more with how the will is used in a transpersonal manner. If your orientation for 'manifesting reality' is inclusive of others as self, that's said to be 'positive'. That's because, inherently, other people represent aspects of one's own interiority (as we're all basically of the same source). How we consider others and ourselves is the most obvious basis of how the will is directed for polarization.

I don't understand your last 2 paragraphs, could you rephrase them?

The rational mind separates concepts out of an intrinsic whole, in order to process them linearly (create a causative chain). This separating process also has a profound effect on personality development. The bias engendered by this disposition is necessarily exclusionary when dealing with abstract concepts which ultimately form experience. But this bias can be mistaken for the service orientation of exclusion of others and of self, when in fact it's just a psychological processing characteristic.

In other words, what we use to create a valuing system and how we evaluate has little to do with polarization, which deals less with the mechanics of forming thought structures and processing information and more with how the spirit is brought to bare on life.

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I think the reason Ra with held that information was because a large portion of the wanderers on Earth now are likely formerly of the negative path, meaning the person who's reading that could be one or someone they know could be.

I agree with this, although the negative 4D+ population were always around 10% in actual number, so 'large portion' may be at most 1 out of 10 wanderers, unless negatives needed to wander more.

[turtledude23]

I treat my unconscious mind with respect the majority of the time, are you trying to say that it doesn't matter if consciously dislike people in general because its not as central to polarization as how you treat yourself?

'liking' people is a personal thing and also deals with emotional bias. I don't think that liking has much to do with positive polarization, since polarization is dealing more with how the will is used in a transpersonal manner. If your orientation for 'manifesting reality' is inclusive of others as self, that's said to be 'positive'. That's because, inherently, other people represent aspects of one's own interiority (as we're all basically of the same source). How we consider others and ourselves is the most obvious basis of how the will is directed for polarization.

I don't understand your last 2 paragraphs, could you rephrase them?

The rational mind separates concepts out of an intrinsic whole, in order to process them linearly (create a causative chain). This separating process also has a profound effect on personality development. The bias engendered by this disposition is necessarily exclusionary when dealing with abstract concepts which ultimately form experience. But this bias can be mistaken for the service orientation of exclusion of others and of self, when in fact it's just a psychological processing characteristic.

In other words, what we use to create a valuing system and how we evaluate has little to do with polarization, which deals less with the mechanics of forming thought structures and processing information and more with how the spirit is brought to bare on life.

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Very good points, thanks for sharing them.

I think the reason Ra with held that information was because a large portion of the wanderers on Earth now are likely formerly of the negative path, meaning the person who's reading that could be one or someone they know could be.

I agree with this, although the negative 4D+ population were always around 10% in actual number, so 'large portion' may be at most 1 out of 10 wanderers, unless negatives needed to wander more.

Ra said the 2 main reasons for 6D entities to wander are out of deep compassion and to balance wisdom/compassion. Many 6D entities wander out of compassion, but not necessarily to 3D. The second reason sounds more odd: the whole point of 6D is to balance the fine points of compassion/wisdom so surely the majority of entities who graduate into 6D can handle the "regular curriculum", so then what group of entities would have the greatest difficulty adjusting to 6D (which is positive only)? Former 5D negative entities. And where better for them to learn compassion for others than the density of choice? So if we assume that the vast majority of newly-positive 6D entities need to wander to 3D, and that 6D always-STO entities are less likely per capita to wander to 3D than 6D former-STS, then a significant portion of wanderers on Earth would be newly STO and have difficulty with compassion but talent with wisdom. This could explain why this forum has a healthy mix of people who have outwardly evident compassion, and people whose compassion is harder to detect.

[zenmaster]

So if we assume that the vast majority of newly-positive 6D entities need to wander to 3D, and that 6D always-STO entities are less likely per capita to wander to 3D than 6D former-STS, then a significant portion of wanderers on Earth would be newly STO and have difficulty with compassion but talent with wisdom. This could explain why this forum has a healthy mix of people who have outwardly evident compassion, and people whose compassion is harder to detect.

I have also surmised as much, that there are plenty of negative 5D graduates wandering to 3D. 3D is a great opportunity to learn compassion, since that is what 3D harvest is all about.

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Also, at some point during the 4D experience, 1 out of 5 4D STS switch to STO. So the former 4D STS should be in a similar situation.

[unity100]

I'm sure negative wanderers mask as positive figures, so I imagine Ra didn't want to cause confusion.

I think the reason Ra with held that information was because a large portion of the wanderers on Earth now are likely formerly of the negative path, meaning the person who's reading that could be one or someone they know could be. If you knew someone on Earth right now who used to be 5D negative your perception of them would change regardless of how mature your beliefs about STS are.

an entity formerly on the negative path would be either nonpolarized or positive path. therefore they wouldnt be negative 6d wanderers.

[turtledude23]

I'm sure negative wanderers mask as positive figures, so I imagine Ra didn't want to cause confusion.

I think the reason Ra with held that information was because a large portion of the wanderers on Earth now are likely formerly of the negative path, meaning the person who's reading that could be one or someone they know could be. If you knew someone on Earth right now who used to be 5D negative your perception of them would change regardless of how mature your beliefs about STS are.

an entity formerly on the negative path would be either nonpolarized or positive path. therefore they wouldnt be negative 6d wanderers.

Do you mean the Ra quote was referring to 6D negative entities who didn't want to integrate into 6D positive and chose to wander to 3D to further polarize to STS? I don't think there would be many such entities, it would be foolish to do that, they'd just end up back in the same place eventually, surely a wise entity like that would know better.

[unity100]

I'm sure negative wanderers mask as positive figures, so I imagine Ra didn't want to cause confusion.

I think the reason Ra with held that information was because a large portion of the wanderers on Earth now are likely formerly of the negative path, meaning the person who's reading that could be one or someone they know could be. If you knew someone on Earth right now who used to be 5D negative your perception of them would change regardless of how mature your beliefs about STS are.

an entity formerly on the negative path would be either nonpolarized or positive path. therefore they wouldnt be negative 6d wanderers.

Do you mean the Ra quote was referring to 6D negative entities who didn't want to integrate into 6D positive and chose to wander to 3D to further polarize to STS? I don't think there would be many such entities, it would be foolish to do that, they'd just end up back in the same place eventually, surely a wise entity like that would know better.

its naming.

you cannot name an entity which has switched to positive path, and incarnated, 'a negative wanderer' the entity is a positive wanderer.

[Unbound]

Technically they are just a wanderer until once again using the choice of the third dimension they choose their polarity. I often wonder if it doesn't truly matter until death, if your polarity doesn't become "active" until that point. Hmmm...

[turtledude23]

Technically they are just a wanderer until once again using the choice of the third dimension they choose their polarity. I often wonder if it doesn't truly matter until death, if your polarity doesn't become "active" until that point. Hmmm...

Polarity is always active in 3D and above, every decision polarizes one more towards one pole than another.

[Unbound]

Well I know that, but I mean, you don't do work WITH the polarity until 4D? 3D is the dimension of choice, but the higher dimensions are of work in the polarities. You do still polarize in the higher dimensions, but it is not the main focus as far as I know.

[unity100]

Technically they are just a wanderer until once again using the choice of the third dimension they choose their polarity. I often wonder if it doesn't truly matter until death, if your polarity doesn't become "active" until that point. Hmmm...

wanderers do not incarnate to choose polarity.

[3DMonkey]

They only incarnate the density of choice... Lol

[untilbeyond]

First off, higher density wanderers in this realm generally have positive orientations. If HD negative entities wish to enter this dimension thru a human nervous system, they will be walk-ins, or they will go thru a trance-medium.

Positive wanderers submit to human birth. The negatives deplore the prospect of losing control to that extent.

People like Charles Manson have worked real hard to polarize all the way to around 95% negative... they seek the negative harvest.

Bear in mind, if you've already been harvested positively elsewhere in time and space, then coming here is is analogous to returning to high-school even though you're already a college grad. You get to role-model conscious behaviour to humans. And go a bit further with various third density initiations.

According to my studies, the more evolved stages of sixth density combine both plus and minus orientations. Prior to merging with 6D+, 6D- entities have transcended the distinction of service to self verses others, and they are incredibly intelligent and attractive beings.

My example of the 6D- entity that is almost 6D+ would be Mafu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhf-xtDc4IU


Also, think about great music. It gets channelled, right? Now consider the question which side would be more passionate about art and music, 6D+ or 6D-.

Extremely great music, to me, is depicting the intellectual and spiritual tug of war that occurs between 6D plus and minus.

Also, at 6D either side, they can percieve 7D and express their perception of 7D thru music or art.

Is this helpful?

-Untilbeyod- =Michael

[Unbound]

Silence speaks.

[AnthroHeart]

Man, Yahweh is a pansy, no wonder our Group Soul has become so negatively polarized, it can't even handle accepting Free Will.

Many people wonder if we really have free will with all the corruption going on.

[Fastidious Emanations]

Who could accept Free Will?!!
That's ludacris!!

Edit, I do, btw, also accept free will as an aspect.

[Unbound]

Aha Hilarious, I don't even remember posting those responses...

[untilbeyond]

I'm just coming back this site after being away for about a year.

I think we all experience all densities, both plus and minus.

Through self-hypnosis practice going back 25 years, I have learned how
to induce various trance states and also invoking various aspect of higher
self and entity mates not currently incarnated in this reality.

In 2002 I had a dream indicating I was getting a spiritual hello from
a part of me that switched teams after being a human sacrifice in Egypt
4,500 BC.

By 3,000 AD (subjectively past for part of my subconscious) this part was far enough along in sixth density to be at the stage where plus and minus are merging. The negatives take bites out of us, and we allow it. When we retrieve that soul energy there's an awesome upload of awareness pertaining to how things work over there. Unity consciousness is about seeing ourselves in everything and everyone, plus and minus. Beings at entry level 6D minus are already in unity, and not hostile or psychopathic.

I called a friend to help me conduct a soul retrieval to make the connection with that part of me that is in process with merging w/6D+, in what would be called 1,000 years into the future of this particular time-line.

When this parts integrate, music sounds different and my talents evolve.

6D minus that is almost positive can be an excellent resource for accessing feedback on the most difficult enigmas and conundrums.
The intelligence is extreme, and the candor is unprecedented.

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I'm just coming back this site after being away for about a year.

I think we all experience all densities, both plus and minus.

Through self-hypnosis practice going back 25 years, I have learned how
to induce various trance states and also invoking various aspect of higher
self and entity mates not currently incarnated in this reality.

In 2002 I had a dream indicating I was getting a spiritual hello from
a part of me that switched teams after being a human sacrifice in Egypt
4,500 BC.

By 3,000 AD (subjectively past for part of my subconscious) this part was far enough along in sixth density to be at the stage where plus and minus are merging. The negatives take bites out of us, and we allow it. When we retrieve that soul energy there's an awesome upload of awareness pertaining to how things work over there. Unity consciousness is about seeing ourselves in everything and everyone, plus and minus. Beings at entry level 6D minus are already in unity, and not hostile or psychopathic.

I called a friend to help me conduct a soul retrieval to make the connection with that part of me that is in process with merging w/6D+, in what would be called 1,000 years into the future of this particular time-line.

When these parts integrate, music sounds different and my talents evolve.

6D minus that is almost positive can be an excellent resource for accessing feedback on the most difficult enigmas and conundrums.
The intelligence is extreme, and the candor is unprecedented.

[StormShadow]

Interesting. Any examples of this candor?

I'm just coming back this site after being away for about a year.

I think we all experience all densities, both plus and minus.

Through self-hypnosis practice going back 25 years, I have learned how
to induce various trance states and also invoking various aspect of higher
self and entity mates not currently incarnated in this reality.

In 2002 I had a dream indicating I was getting a spiritual hello from
a part of me that switched teams after being a human sacrifice in Egypt
4,500 BC.

By 3,000 AD (subjectively past for part of my subconscious) this part was far enough along in sixth density to be at the stage where plus and minus are merging. The negatives take bites out of us, and we allow it. When we retrieve that soul energy there's an awesome upload of awareness pertaining to how things work over there. Unity consciousness is about seeing ourselves in everything and everyone, plus and minus. Beings at entry level 6D minus are already in unity, and not hostile or psychopathic.

I called a friend to help me conduct a soul retrieval to make the connection with that part of me that is in process with merging w/6D+, in what would be called 1,000 years into the future of this particular time-line.

When this parts integrate, music sounds different and my talents evolve.

6D minus that is almost positive can be an excellent resource for accessing feedback on the most difficult enigmas and conundrums.
The intelligence is extreme, and the candor is unprecedented.

[untilbeyond]

Pain is pleasure speeded up.

Joy is fear speeded up.


This is not a 3D perception. It's how they see it at mid-level 6D almost positive.

[Guardian]

Hidden hand without a doubt

[darklight]

In regards to the Q & A below does anyone have any guesses who could be such an entity in history?

36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?
Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We
withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of
the Creator. We can explain no further.

judging from his life and his material, mohammad seems to be one.

That could be possible. If you realize that short after his death, the catalyst raised even within the islam. They started wars and four Caliphs were murdered because others wanted to take their places, this seems a highly STS structured religion.

Edit: Maybe Muhammad was not an STS wanderer. Not the messengers, but their peoples are STS orientated. Like happened with Moses, a positive entity, because his people were not spiritual orientated. That brought the Orion STS influence. Same thing could be happen with the islam.

[darklight]

On the other hand, no one can expand his territory without wars. So there was definitely a great STS influence.