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    irpsit (Offline)

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    08-28-2009, 04:06 AM (This post was last modified: 08-28-2009, 06:30 AM by irpsit.)
    Hello, this one insight I have.
    Feel free to share your comments.

    The reasoning of my post is quite complex, so I divided by steps.


    I was wondering whether 4D is a little bit like the astral realm, with plastic perception and flexibility of time and space, and rapid manifestation.

    If this is true, and if Earth becomes (either abruptly or gradually) a 4D planet after 2012, then something radical must occur in order to create those foundations.

    You would see more people awakening (as it is indeed happening), and society crashing (as it seems to be happening). A radical increase in energy must occur to change effectively our society and the distribution of its people towards STO and astral energies!!

    If so, it is predictable (and this is only with a gradualist transition time), that our social world will become very different by 2030, since more people will be rapid manifesting, and promoting new groupwork ideals. Our civilization will die and reborn. We will metaphorically die and reborn. Our leaders will be removed or changing, since they would not corresponded to an increased state of energy. Isn't this true? Then, our economy will not last long, our military will not last long, our behavior towards the planet will change. Wars would have to finish, one way or another, but hopefully in a positive way. Poverty, materialism, lack of compassion and ignorance too. I can see this change in my life, can you see it in the world around?

    Assuming this, I think in 150 years, we will have a very different world, and everything ready to start seeing less bodily reality and a more astral realm, without any cut-dry transition. People would die and reincarnate here if they would made a harvesting choice to serve others.

    If the gradualist transition is not true, then the world would in late 2012 die, and rebirth completely new in 4D realm, but to me it does not make so much sense, although cleaning may need to occur.
    In both cases, it's a Phoenix rising up from the ashes...

    Here goes the four scenarios:
    Possibility #1) The transition comes in a very gradual transformation after 2012 (no boundary)
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, but there is no cut-dry border between 3D and 4D. This is the scenario I have depicted above.
    Entities on Earth are pushed up gradually to upper layers of 3D and to early layers of 4D, along a period of transition, until after about 100-700 years, we are all in full 4D. This is a gradual transition and the boundary some centuries ahead is then very naturally expected (or there is no boundary). In this scenario, we will our evolution accelerating after 2012, with several gradual transformations. Only or mostly STO individual would be incarnating after 2012 (this is after the 2012 choice deadline point). So, we would transit from a mixed orientation to a full STO collective (which I don't know if it makes sense or not).

    Possibility #2) The transition comes in a sudden climax in 2012
    Alternatively, this transition can go very fast for a few months before 2011-2012, while in late 2012 we are in full 4D.
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, while at the same time 3D deactivated. This would mean that our modern society would end abruptly. There are varying theories on how this "end" is going to happen.
    A crescendo towards a climax moment of ascension or full destruction followed by ascension. Either case, we leave to 4D, while 3D stays behind, with a cut boundary.

    Possibility #3) After 2012 two Earths co-exist for decades, but 3D eventually dies out and souls transfered
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, however 4D is not inhabited. This is to allow 3D entities to complete their incarnations naturally. Gradually, between now and next decades, we are transferred to 4D. Once all 3D entities have completed their incarnations, the 4D part of the Earth is completely populated. This is a strange scenario, in that we will notice that no more birthing would occur! Or, what could happen, is that STS, STO and mixed individuals could still incarnate on Earth. Maybe, 3D Earth stays for a while inhabited, and then several centuries later 3D Earth is terminated, and only 4D persists (then, our 3D entities could still ascend, if they were sufficiently polarized). Maybe depopulation occurs because entities have choosen to transit to another 3D planet or 4D Earth, by next decade!

    Possibility #4) There is no soon transition; this is not real; nothing happens; something else happens.

    Accordindly to Quo, it seems it is something like scenario #1 or #3. Particularly when they state the 100-700 transition period, and that after 2012 we will still notice our ability to breathe and function as 3D bodies, as if nothing special has happened. But because entities might have to die to ascend to 4D, maybe it is option #3 that will happen.
    In either case, in January 2013, we will not know nothing, or if you would ascend afterwards or not.
    The mass interest in 2012 reflects both our fear that 3D will eventually die (our impulse for physical survival) and our wish to transit to a new state of learning and passing this harvest challenge (our spiritual call). My point is to forget a bit about any survival issue, and it would not matter much; and focus in the moment, in taking full advantage of our learning, polarization and creative lessons, of listening to within and act from the heart.
    What do you think?

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    fairyfarmgirl

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    08-28-2009, 08:22 AM
    Good Greetings:

    This is exactly what I have been thinking about lately. And my conclusions follow closely with yours, Insprit...

    I have come to rest in the understanding that there are no survival issues...We are MAN (meaning Human) and therefore infinitely and magnificently created. All will unfold divinely and our only task is to live life to the fullest with Joy and Peace and Love and continue to live, grow and love self and others and as we do this we imagine and create by living a better world for ourselves and others... look forward and smile.

    I have also come to see all the material stuff around me as not at all necessary--- I have all I need within me. I am just beginning to realize this... I suggest reading the Anastasia, Ringing Cedar of Russia series by Vladamire Megre and Anastasia. Lots of Law of One references there--- although not as Ra would speak of it... but the Law is the Law no matter how you dress it up it still is!

    Love--

    fairyfarmgirl

    (08-28-2009, 04:06 AM)irpsit Wrote: Hello, this one insight I have.
    Feel free to share your comments.

    The reasoning of my post is quite complex, so I divided by steps.


    I was wondering whether 4D is a little bit like the astral realm, with plastic perception and flexibility of time and space, and rapid manifestation.

    If this is true, and if Earth becomes (either abruptly or gradually) a 4D planet after 2012, then something radical must occur in order to create those foundations.

    You would see more people awakening (as it is indeed happening), and society crashing (as it seems to be happening). A radical increase in energy must occur to change effectively our society and the distribution of its people towards STO and astral energies!!

    If so, it is predictable (and this is only with a gradualist transition time), that our social world will become very different by 2030, since more people will be rapid manifesting, and promoting new groupwork ideals. Our civilization will die and reborn. We will metaphorically die and reborn. Our leaders will be removed or changing, since they would not corresponded to an increased state of energy. Isn't this true? Then, our economy will not last long, our military will not last long, our behavior towards the planet will change. Wars would have to finish, one way or another, but hopefully in a positive way. Poverty, materialism, lack of compassion and ignorance too. I can see this change in my life, can you see it in the world around?

    Assuming this, I think in 150 years, we will have a very different world, and everything ready to start seeing less bodily reality and a more astral realm, without any cut-dry transition. People would die and reincarnate here if they would made a harvesting choice to serve others.

    If the gradualist transition is not true, then the world would in late 2012 die, and rebirth completely new in 4D realm, but to me it does not make so much sense, although cleaning may need to occur.
    In both cases, it's a Phoenix rising up from the ashes...

    Here goes the four scenarios:
    Possibility #1) The transition comes in a very gradual transformation after 2012 (no boundary)
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, but there is no cut-dry border between 3D and 4D. This is the scenario I have depicted above.
    Entities on Earth are pushed up gradually to upper layers of 3D and to early layers of 4D, along a period of transition, until after about 100-700 years, we are all in full 4D. This is a gradual transition and the boundary some centuries ahead is then very naturally expected (or there is no boundary). In this scenario, we will our evolution accelerating after 2012, with several gradual transformations. Only or mostly STO individual would be incarnating after 2012 (this is after the 2012 choice deadline point). So, we would transit from a mixed orientation to a full STO collective (which I don't know if it makes sense or not).

    Possibility #2) The transition comes in a sudden climax in 2012
    Alternatively, this transition can go very fast for a few months before 2011-2012, while in late 2012 we are in full 4D.
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, while at the same time 3D deactivated. This would mean that our modern society would end abruptly. There are varying theories on how this "end" is going to happen.
    A crescendo towards a climax moment of ascension or full destruction followed by ascension. Either case, we leave to 4D, while 3D stays behind, with a cut boundary.

    Possibility #3) After 2012 two Earths co-exist for decades, but 3D eventually dies out and souls transfered
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, however 4D is not inhabited. This is to allow 3D entities to complete their incarnations naturally. Gradually, between now and next decades, we are transferred to 4D. Once all 3D entities have completed their incarnations, the 4D part of the Earth is completely populated. This is a strange scenario, in that we will notice that no more birthing would occur! Or, what could happen, is that STS, STO and mixed individuals could still incarnate on Earth. Maybe, 3D Earth stays for a while inhabited, and then several centuries later 3D Earth is terminated, and only 4D persists (then, our 3D entities could still ascend, if they were sufficiently polarized). Maybe depopulation occurs because entities have choosen to transit to another 3D planet or 4D Earth, by next decade!

    Possibility #4) There is no soon transition; this is not real; nothing happens; something else happens.

    Accordindly to Quo, it seems it is something like scenario #1 or #3. Particularly when they state the 100-700 transition period, and that after 2012 we will still notice our ability to breathe and function as 3D bodies, as if nothing special has happened. But because entities might have to die to ascend to 4D, maybe it is option #3 that will happen.
    In either case, in January 2013, we will not know nothing, or if you would ascend afterwards or not.
    The mass interest in 2012 reflects both our fear that 3D will eventually die (our impulse for physical survival) and our wish to transit to a new state of learning and passing this harvest challenge (our spiritual call). My point is to forget a bit about any survival issue, and it would not matter much; and focus in the moment, in taking full advantage of our learning, polarization and creative lessons, of listening to within and act from the heart.
    What do you think?

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    irpsit (Offline)

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    #3
    08-28-2009, 04:44 PM
    Thanks for the suggestion Smile
    Gratitute,

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    08-29-2009, 06:42 PM
    (08-28-2009, 04:44 PM)irpsit Wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Smile
    Gratitute,

    Earth is already shining in 4d light my friend, and she is already waiting patiently for us.Heart

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    08-30-2009, 04:28 AM
    (08-28-2009, 04:06 AM)irpsit Wrote: You would see more people awakening (as it is indeed happening), and society crashing (as it seems to be happening). A radical increase in energy must occur to change effectively our society and the distribution of its people towards STO and astral energies!!

    If so, it is predictable (and this is only with a gradualist transition time), that our social world will become very different by 2030, since more people will be rapid manifesting, and promoting new groupwork ideals. Our civilization will die and reborn. We will metaphorically die and reborn. Our leaders will be removed or changing, since they would not corresponded to an increased state of energy. Isn't this true? Then, our economy will not last long, our military will not last long, our behavior towards the planet will change. Wars would have to finish, one way or another, but hopefully in a positive way. Poverty, materialism, lack of compassion and ignorance too. I can see this change in my life, can you see it in the world around?

    Thank you for such a wonderful post irpsit! I can absolutely see what you are describing above happening in the world around me today, mostly on an individual / community level. Manifesting reality and karmatic lessons seem to be speeding up too - as you sow so shall you reap - it's happening more and more. what an exciting time to be here Smile

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    09-02-2009, 03:13 AM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2009, 03:16 AM by gharghur.)
    Fun post, since we will not likely know until it occurs. There are many potential timelines. Humanity is the creator of its near future. Intuitively I envision a gradual progression. RA mentions the shift may create some tears on the surface (earthquakes), but overall it's a minor event for Earth as it's already in 4D energy. After the clock strikes 11:11 on 12/21/2012 3D lifeforms will no longer incarnate on this planet, and the current 3D undergraduate lifeforms will be gradually phased out. Within several generations the population on the planet will be greatly reduced. The 4D incarnates, which have been already born since about 1990 and the newborns, will gradually, over time, activate their 4D abilities. We all have these abilities, but they are inactive until we are responsible enough to handle them. With the lifespan gradually increasing to 90,000 years it may take quite a while before all abilities have been activated. Since consciousness will become the new science many features of the current society will be phased out over time. The 4D abilities that I have been shown examples of, thus far, are: telepathy, levitation, the ability to create food etc. with just thought, and the ability to defend oneself and impede others with a force field. The mind essentially expands and is able to manipulate matter on command. Imagine the chaos if we had these abilities now. It will be a very interesting experience. But we still have almost 40 months to help the neutrals make a choice and increase the harvest. After that my work is done. Namaste

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    09-02-2009, 02:55 PM
    Hello this is my first post. I am wondering how to tell if I am on the right path and how to become harvest-able.

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    09-02-2009, 05:09 PM
    Welcome Firesprite,
    You are at the right place.
    Review the forum posts to answer your questions.
    namaste

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    09-03-2009, 05:46 AM
    (09-02-2009, 02:55 PM)firesprite Wrote: Hello this is my first post. I am wondering how to tell if I am on the right path and how to become harvest-able.

    Do you consider humanity to be your brothers who are there together with you to work with in building something better for all. Or do you consider them a phenomenon to be manipulated into giving you whatever you like?

    If the former, well done, you're done. Just chill it'll be all right, all you have to do is find your own way to give expression to your choice. That's what it is, a choice, not a final exam that you could fail at. Wink

    You just have to be slightly more positive than negative to graduate.

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    fairyfarmgirl

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    09-03-2009, 09:10 AM
    (09-03-2009, 05:46 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:
    (09-02-2009, 02:55 PM)firesprite Wrote: Hello this is my first post. I am wondering how to tell if I am on the right path and how to become harvest-able.

    Do you consider humanity to be your brothers who are there together with you to work with in building something better for all. Or do you consider them a phenomenon to be manipulated into giving you whatever you like?

    If the former, well done, you're done. Just chill it'll be all right, all you have to do is find your own way to give expression to your choice. That's what it is, a choice, not a final exam that you could fail at. Wink

    You just have to be slightly more positive than negative to graduate.


    Good Greetings:
    Geez! LOL And all this time I have been concerned that I am not enough.. I am not doing enough... I am not being enough. I am just going to relax and just be me from now on. Thanks--- Ali Quidir

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    09-03-2009, 06:09 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2009, 11:04 PM by firesprite.)
    Ahhhhhhhh, thank you. I have made a choice to be a loving person and am glad I am on this path. I see everyday more and more this is my truth: I am love and as hard as it is to see sometimes I will do my best to radiate that love for the benefit of all. I thank and love you all for being you and standing in your own truth. I also am wondering what a 4D body is like? I presume we will take on another shell.

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    09-21-2009, 06:07 PM
    In my opinion, the way Creation is "designed", it will be truly elegant in the greatest possible meaning of the word. What I mean by this, is, that around 2012 (2011-2013) there will be physical changes to the surface of the Earth, which will appear to be a form of disaster (earthquakes, etc.). This disaster will be THE catalyst for the decision to be made. It shall spur those who have yet to choose between STS and STO to make a choice. The end result of the disasters would be that everyone who has chosen STO and is Harvestable will, from their synchronicities, live. Everyone else, those who chose STS for 4th density as well as those who still need more experiences from third density, will (to us) die. How else do you account for allowing their spirits/consciousnesses to leave the Earth, while giving a good reason as to why those ready for fourth density incarnation are alive now? It is elegant, for everything that happens will serve multiple purposes, but on the surface only appear to be "destructive" or "constructive".

    Just think of what happens in any disaster scenario, from Titanic to The Day After Tomorrow. Some people push others out of their way, step on them, and even shoot them just so they can get out alive. Other people, however, decide the best thing to do is to work as a group so that they can all get out alive. The difference is, in this case, choosing STO will cause you to survive. Choosing STS, in this case, means you ultimately die (so you can incarnate on a fourth density STS planet). Not ready to choose, you would (by default) stay on the ship when it sinks, thus dying as well (so you may incarnate in a different world that is third density).

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    09-22-2009, 02:28 PM
    You may be right, but I have a different perspective. The opportunity for change is already here. The people of the world are awakening to the negative influence supposed Democratic governments have had on their very own people, and other peoples. These democratic systems are not really democratic, but oligarchic: a few people, unelected and behind the scenes, running these countries for profit. The polarity, that events during this decade created, has alerted the people that a negative force has been in charge all along. As this polarity becomes more and more obvious, many people will be forced to make a choice. Side with the oligarchy (negative STS energy), or side with the people (positive STO energy). The choice is already here, and the people are chosing STO.
    namaste

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    09-28-2009, 05:09 AM
    I also foresee your "designed" fate. Smile
    But this may take many several years and be a gradual process rather than a one-year thing.


    (09-21-2009, 06:07 PM)Eneary Wrote: In my opinion, the way Creation is "designed", it will be truly elegant in the greatest possible meaning of the word. What I mean by this, is, that around 2012 (2011-2013) there will be physical changes to the surface of the Earth, which will appear to be a form of disaster (earthquakes, etc.). This disaster will be THE catalyst for the decision to be made. It shall spur those who have yet to choose between STS and STO to make a choice. The end result of the disasters would be that everyone who has chosen STO and is Harvestable will, from their synchronicities, live. Everyone else, those who chose STS for 4th density as well as those who still need more experiences from third density, will (to us) die. How else do you account for allowing their spirits/consciousnesses to leave the Earth, while giving a good reason as to why those ready for fourth density incarnation are alive now? It is elegant, for everything that happens will serve multiple purposes, but on the surface only appear to be "destructive" or "constructive".

    Just think of what happens in any disaster scenario, from Titanic to The Day After Tomorrow. Some people push others out of their way, step on them, and even shoot them just so they can get out alive. Other people, however, decide the best thing to do is to work as a group so that they can all get out alive. The difference is, in this case, choosing STO will cause you to survive. Choosing STS, in this case, means you ultimately die (so you can incarnate on a fourth density STS planet). Not ready to choose, you would (by default) stay on the ship when it sinks, thus dying as well (so you may incarnate in a different world that is third density).

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    fairyfarmgirl

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    09-28-2009, 07:56 AM
    I do believe that this gradual process is happening now... look around LOL

    --fairyfarmgirl

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    09-29-2009, 02:24 PM
    (09-21-2009, 06:07 PM)Eneary Wrote: In my opinion, the way Creation is "designed", it will be truly elegant in the greatest possible meaning of the word. What I mean by this, is, that around 2012 (2011-2013) there will be physical changes to the surface of the Earth, which will appear to be a form of disaster (earthquakes, etc.). This disaster will be THE catalyst for the decision to be made. It shall spur those who have yet to choose between STS and STO to make a choice. The end result of the disasters would be that everyone who has chosen STO and is Harvestable will, from their synchronicities, live. Everyone else, those who chose STS for 4th density as well as those who still need more experiences from third density, will (to us) die.

    I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I don't think it necessarily has to be a physical disaster. It could be any number of things. I think the structure is being laid for multiple possibilities, so that, depending on the collective free will, alternative scenarios might play out. For example, rather than a physical catastrophe, many souls might choose to gracefully exit from this planet via natural means such as "designer diseases."

    Most of the predicted natural disasters have already been averted, so I see no reason for a disaster on a global scale, although there might be localized events.

    I also agree with fairyfarmgirl that the process is already going on. There is already plenty of catalyst to give people an opportunity to choose. Just look at all those doom-and-gloom conspiracy theories floating around, plus global political events, plus the swine flu scare. Just those alone are enough to allow those who choose fear to find plenty to be fearful about.

    While I agree that a global disaster might be a convenient way to sort the population (sort of like the sorting hat in Harry Potter!), that presupposes that it all has to happen suddenly. The question of sudden shift vs gradual shift has been hotly debated in other discussions, both here at Bring4th and elsewhere. Since we won't know how it's all gonna go down until it happens, I would rather not give any more energy than necessary to any negative scenarios. I agree that it could be an elegant sorting method as far as the harvesting of souls, but on a physical level it's far from elegant and actually quite messy! But then, an individual dying from cancer is messy to that individual. Still, I tend to think that a lot of the sorting might yet be done via seemingly natural processes, ie. souls being sorted at the end of their natural lives.

    There is also the possibility of a positive event triggering a sudden polarizing, ie. instead of a global catastrophe, what if some seemingly miraculous event occurred? Like that nuclear disarmament resolution actually being successful? Or the recognition of any one of the many suppressed technologies for free energy? Or contact from a benevolent alien species? While there are multiple possibilities for seemingly 'negative' catalysts, any number of positive scenarios could also take place.

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    09-29-2009, 03:35 PM
    What I am seeing is a lot of murder/suicides of families lately. It seems to becoming quite common. Also, fatal car accidents I believe is the way most are choosing to go. I think it is quite a convenient exit point... These are those of course that are choosing to jump ship and go elsewhere.

    Also, the recent Typhoon in the Philipines has many choosing STO... people working together for the greater good.

    It is happening right before our eyes. We do not have to wait for 2012.

    Also, the whole piggy flu I believe is simply going to go off like a dud. It is already showing up in the news. piggy flu is the new Y2K.

    Love--
    fairyfarmgirl

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    09-29-2009, 04:19 PM
    (09-21-2009, 06:07 PM)Eneary (emphasis added) Wrote: Just think of what happens in any disaster scenario, from Titanic to The Day After Tomorrow. Some people push others out of their way, step on them, and even shoot them just so they can get out alive. Other people, however, decide the best thing to do is to work as a group so that they can all get out alive. The difference is, in this case, choosing STO will cause you to survive. Choosing STS, in this case, means you ultimately die (so you can incarnate on a fourth density STS planet). Not ready to choose, you would (by default) stay on the ship when it sinks, thus dying as well (so you may incarnate in a different world that is third density).

    The problem that I have this concept - as with any which equates "Surviving" with "Graduating" - is that it is just not supported by the Law of One or logical reasoning.

    Consider that our current 3D bodies are not equipped to handle 4D light and fully experience a 4D world. Thus is it not clear that we all must die and be born again in order to experience 4D (adds a whole new dimension to Jesus' teaching doesn't it?).

    Consider also that as 3D beings, we live behind a very thick veil that blocks our conscious selves from knowledge of our past lives and experiences. Living in 4D means living beyond the veil. Clearly this is not possible in our 3D bodies.

    Finally, Ra is clear that the Harvest of an individual soul occurs only after the death of the 3D physical body, when the mind/body/spirit complex walks the stairs of light and is seen to pass beyond 3D light into higher densities. This does not seem consistent with determining who is Harvestable while they are alive. Again, I must conclude that all must die in order to move on, be it to another 3D world, a 4D positive Earth, or a suitable 4D negative planet.

    This is not to say that all must die immediately. I do think that there will be numerous opportunities presented to all of us in the coming years to choose (and choose again) between serving ourselves and serving others. For many of us, I suspect that there will also be numerous catalysts that allow us to polarize higher and higher while still within these 3D forms. I would emphatically not, however, equate dying with lack of graduation. Rather, I think that we all will remain here until such time as our purpose is accomplished and it is time to move on. Some purposes have already been accomplished, some are yet to come, but all must die in order to be Harvested and be triaged (or "sorted") as to our next home planet.

    Over time, it seems likely that those who need to change planets will complete their purpose here and die more quickly than those that do not. Combine this with the fact that newly born children will be exclusively those evolving to positive 4D on this planet, and the resulting harmony of kindred souls will eventually make even the 3D experience of Earth, in the far coming years, almost paradise compared to today.

    We all have an ego attachment to our current incarnated mind/bodies. This is just a vestige of our 3D existence. I would suggest that we can no more conceive what our conscious minds will be like in 4D than we can conceive of infinity. To think that our 4D consciousness begins where our 3D conscious minds end is like thinking that a newly minted 3D human consciousness is simply an extension of a 2D consciousness. The 3D human form is vastly richer, more subtle, more self-aware, and more capable. Even more so, I think, is the 4D mind/body/spirit compared to the 3D equivalent.

    For now though, I think we should simply focus on maximizing our polarization and experiences while on this 3D plane. Let us worry not who will die and who will live, and when and why the living and dying happens. As 3D humans we are here to experience and to love and not to judge or to try to hold on to our feeble human attachments, delusions, and desires. Choose love, choose service to others, choose selflessness, and you will be adding richly to the treasure of experiences that you will bring back to the One Infinite Creator at the end of your long journey home.

    The future is now, and the times they are a chang'in.

    Love and Light,

    3D Sunset

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    (09-29-2009, 04:19 PM)3D Sunset Wrote:
    (09-21-2009, 06:07 PM)Eneary (emphasis added) Wrote: Just think of what happens in any disaster scenario, from Titanic to The Day After Tomorrow. Some people push others out of their way, step on them, and even shoot them just so they can get out alive. Other people, however, decide the best thing to do is to work as a group so that they can all get out alive. The difference is, in this case, choosing STO will cause you to survive. Choosing STS, in this case, means you ultimately die (so you can incarnate on a fourth density STS planet). Not ready to choose, you would (by default) stay on the ship when it sinks, thus dying as well (so you may incarnate in a different world that is third density).


    Over time, it seems likely that those who need to change planets will complete their purpose here and die more quickly than those that do not. Combine this with the fact that newly born children will be exclusively those evolving to positive 4D on this planet, and the resulting harmony of kindred souls will eventually make even the 3D experience of Earth, in the far coming years, almost paradise compared to today.

    The future is now, and the times they are a chang'in.

    Love and Light,

    3D Sunset

    This is what I meant by my statements above. Thank you, 3D Sunset for saying it so eloquently.

    The high STO 3D Earth I eagerly await. I do believe it will gradually become so as we all shift to the polarity of STO and those who are no in vibration will simply die off (disease) or choose to leave (suicide, murder, accident, natural disaster etc.)

    I await the return of the 3D Eden and I do believe I will see it in my September years... then on to the next grand adventure be it 4D or beyond... I know naught all I know is the world is changing and I am seeing greater incidence of kindness between peoples.

    I do wonder if all this shifting I have been experinecing is like death while living and my body and other peoples bodies are being upgraded and overhauled in situ... dunno--- Just a thought.

    Love--
    fairyfarmgirl

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    09-29-2009, 06:01 PM
    Monica makes a good point. Survival is fear based, Graduating is love based. The transition is not about survival, it's about having made the choice of STO or STS. When the clock strikes 11:11 on 21DEC12 third density entities will no longer incarnate on this planet. The door will be closed, and they will need to incarnate on a third density planet. Only fourth density entities will incarnate here from then on. Many of the fourth density have already been incarnating here as the Earth is already in fourth density.
    Those that are currently third density, and remain so upon their bodily demise, will incarnate on another third density planet. Those that are currently third density, and harvestable positive upon their bodily demise, will likely incarnate on this fourth density planet. Those that are currently third density will have the rest of this bodily incarnation to make the choice. When the clock strikes the only line in the sand is no more third density incarnations. Life will continue as normal for those who are still here.
    Prior to this incarnation we agreed to experience several catalysts. Some of these catalysts provide multiple opportunities, from time to time, to be acted upon. One of the catalysts is the termination of the bodily lifeform. We all have, in the past and in the future, windows of opportunity for this termination. Our choices, whether conscious or subconscious, can place the body in harms way or in safety. We choose, or have chosen, when to terminate. It is not chosen for us.
    As 2012 approaches it will be for you as you choose it to be for yourself. A time of fear, or a time of wonder and excitement. This is an exciting experience we all came to share. A fair percentage of entities have risked much just to be here, to help, and to experience it all over again. When they choose to terminate the bodily form, they will scatter to all sectors and densities of the galaxy. Enjoy the journey and let the destination take care of itself. But please, make certain you have chosen wisely.
    namaste

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    10-05-2009, 01:51 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2009, 08:16 AM by sos.)
    I would side completely with scenario # 1. If you think about it, 100-700 years is a long time. Let's take 500 years as just a little more than the middle or average of this lengthy time span. What condition was the human race in 500 years ago? The New World had just been discovered. The "enlightenment" had not really even come into full swing. The average life span was probably 30-40 years of age. Still being somewhat in the dark ages, mankind was in a state of barbarism that would seem to us today almost impossible. People lived short, ugly, desperate lives. Almost any of modern technology would likely have been viewed as magic or sorcery. Our lives as lived today are very, very far from a life lived 500 years ago. The point is, we have that same amount of time and even more to make this transition. It could be so gradual that a single person might not observe any real, noticeable change over the course of an entire lifetime. As to the physical evolutionary developments, I believe Ra said the green ray body is comparable to what we know as the astral body. Wouldn't this be the 4th density body, or am I wrong? If true, there will no doubt some major physical changes that will take place, but there is a large span of time that we are dealing with. Remember that the transition from 2nd to 3rd took about 1200-1500 years. Who could really believe this will happen overnight? In my most humble opinion, none of this is important anyway. What is important is the spiritual progress we make from the "balancing" in this lifetime that is important.

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    12-05-2009, 04:12 AM (This post was last modified: 12-05-2009, 04:14 AM by Peregrinus.)
    The following is my understanding. Firstly, to quote Ra:

    Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs so that the Earth thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you may call it.
    We are currently in vibrations of 3rd and 4th density duality. When the third density vibrations cease, everything will noticeably change, as all matter as we know it will be reconfigured.

    Quote:This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.
    The crust is the earth's skin. The atmosphere is the outer garment. Therefore, there will not be earth quakes. There will be breaches of the atmosphere. I will not speak more of this inconvenient adjustment, only that it will be short term and it will not affect those of fourth density.

    Quote:You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.
    They are known as indigo children. They are children that are taller, have bigger heads, and larger eyes than the norm, though they are becoming the norm. They sometimes do not speak until 3 or 4 years of age, due to their telepathic abilities keeping them from wanting to speak. They don't know why they don't speak though, yet.

    Quote:There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.
    Say hi to STS as they try to increase their polarity and power in hopes of a better position.

    Quote:Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service.
    The planet could easily support all 6.8 billion people living in harmony, but there will be an abundance of room for those remaining.

    Is there reason to fear any of this? Not at all. The ape protects itself. The ape protects its clan. The ape fears death. Although we move about in ape vehicles at the present time, we are spirits, sparks of the One Infinite Creator! In order to transcend being an ape, one must discard the ape attitude. One must discard protection of self. One must discard protection of clan. One must discard fear.

    Love and light to you all my brothers and sisters, for this is a great time, one of both great joy, and of great sadness. It is my honor to be here with you all.

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    12-05-2009, 04:46 AM
    Quote: Is there reason to fear any of this? Not at all. The ape protects itself. The ape protects its clan. The ape fears death. Although we move about in ape vehicles at the present time, we are spirits, sparks of the One Infinite Creator! In order to transcend being an ape, one must discard the ape attitude. One must discard protection of self. One must discard protection of clan. One must discard fear.

    One must embrace love, one must make the choice.
    "Love oneself, or love oneself and all others. It's a choice.
    Your future depends on it. Time is short. Make the choice!"
    And one must share the wisdom that a choice is to be made.
    namaste

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    12-14-2009, 10:23 PM
    (08-28-2009, 04:06 AM)irpsit Wrote: Hello, this one insight I have.
    Feel free to share your comments.

    The reasoning of my post is quite complex, so I divided by steps.


    I was wondering whether 4D is a little bit like the astral realm, with plastic perception and flexibility of time and space, and rapid manifestation.

    If this is true, and if Earth becomes (either abruptly or gradually) a 4D planet after 2012, then something radical must occur in order to create those foundations.

    You would see more people awakening (as it is indeed happening), and society crashing (as it seems to be happening). A radical increase in energy must occur to change effectively our society and the distribution of its people towards STO and astral energies!!

    If so, it is predictable (and this is only with a gradualist transition time), that our social world will become very different by 2030, since more people will be rapid manifesting, and promoting new groupwork ideals. Our civilization will die and reborn. We will metaphorically die and reborn. Our leaders will be removed or changing, since they would not corresponded to an increased state of energy. Isn't this true? Then, our economy will not last long, our military will not last long, our behavior towards the planet will change. Wars would have to finish, one way or another, but hopefully in a positive way. Poverty, materialism, lack of compassion and ignorance too. I can see this change in my life, can you see it in the world around?

    Assuming this, I think in 150 years, we will have a very different world, and everything ready to start seeing less bodily reality and a more astral realm, without any cut-dry transition. People would die and reincarnate here if they would made a harvesting choice to serve others.

    If the gradualist transition is not true, then the world would in late 2012 die, and rebirth completely new in 4D realm, but to me it does not make so much sense, although cleaning may need to occur.
    In both cases, it's a Phoenix rising up from the ashes...

    Here goes the four scenarios:
    Possibility #1) The transition comes in a very gradual transformation after 2012 (no boundary)
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, but there is no cut-dry border between 3D and 4D. This is the scenario I have depicted above.
    Entities on Earth are pushed up gradually to upper layers of 3D and to early layers of 4D, along a period of transition, until after about 100-700 years, we are all in full 4D. This is a gradual transition and the boundary some centuries ahead is then very naturally expected (or there is no boundary). In this scenario, we will our evolution accelerating after 2012, with several gradual transformations. Only or mostly STO individual would be incarnating after 2012 (this is after the 2012 choice deadline point). So, we would transit from a mixed orientation to a full STO collective (which I don't know if it makes sense or not).

    Possibility #2) The transition comes in a sudden climax in 2012
    Alternatively, this transition can go very fast for a few months before 2011-2012, while in late 2012 we are in full 4D.
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, while at the same time 3D deactivated. This would mean that our modern society would end abruptly. There are varying theories on how this "end" is going to happen.
    A crescendo towards a climax moment of ascension or full destruction followed by ascension. Either case, we leave to 4D, while 3D stays behind, with a cut boundary.

    Possibility #3) After 2012 two Earths co-exist for decades, but 3D eventually dies out and souls transfered
    Earth is activated 4D in 2011-2012, however 4D is not inhabited. This is to allow 3D entities to complete their incarnations naturally. Gradually, between now and next decades, we are transferred to 4D. Once all 3D entities have completed their incarnations, the 4D part of the Earth is completely populated. This is a strange scenario, in that we will notice that no more birthing would occur! Or, what could happen, is that STS, STO and mixed individuals could still incarnate on Earth. Maybe, 3D Earth stays for a while inhabited, and then several centuries later 3D Earth is terminated, and only 4D persists (then, our 3D entities could still ascend, if they were sufficiently polarized). Maybe depopulation occurs because entities have choosen to transit to another 3D planet or 4D Earth, by next decade!

    Possibility #4) There is no soon transition; this is not real; nothing happens; something else happens.

    Accordindly to Quo, it seems it is something like scenario #1 or #3. Particularly when they state the 100-700 transition period, and that after 2012 we will still notice our ability to breathe and function as 3D bodies, as if nothing special has happened. But because entities might have to die to ascend to 4D, maybe it is option #3 that will happen.
    In either case, in January 2013, we will not know nothing, or if you would ascend afterwards or not.
    The mass interest in 2012 reflects both our fear that 3D will eventually die (our impulse for physical survival) and our wish to transit to a new state of learning and passing this harvest challenge (our spiritual call). My point is to forget a bit about any survival issue, and it would not matter much; and focus in the moment, in taking full advantage of our learning, polarization and creative lessons, of listening to within and act from the heart.
    What do you think?

    I have to side with Option #2. Granted there are some issues to be addressed about how the 3D bodies are going to be accommodating 4D energies. Some of the other sources and channels have started talking about the Ascension where the human bodies are transformed from the Carbon based to Crystalline based. This transformation is happening as we speak. Remeber all these pains and aches and need to sleep more and exhaustion. But I think the change will be like the Strike of an Hour (I believe dear Ra used some similar words)

    I don't think the entity has to die in order to go thru the harvest process. Technically we could all go thru a hibernation process like some deep sleep and come back depending upon the results...

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    12-14-2009, 10:56 PM
    2012 ends any new the incarnations of third density souls on this plane.
    Those remaining will continue their lifespan.
    Only fourth density souls, and above, will incarnate on this plane after 2012.
    Relax, most will not even notice the transition.

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    12-15-2009, 12:39 AM
    (12-14-2009, 10:56 PM)gharghur Wrote: Relax, most will not even notice the transition.

    Hehe, I think that's the understatement of the last 75,000 years! This is a life changing event, born of the spirit, a graduation day parade the likes we have never imagined! There will not be a soul on this planet that does not "notice", even if unconscious. The question is, how will they meet it.

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    12-15-2009, 07:42 PM
    I think 2012 is great Creator's mystery. Gradual or sudden change? How would you make it if you were the Creator who designs the Cosmos?

    We know that all densities interpenetrates. We now see 3rd. Quo said that there are already people who could report on the 4th density development. Indigo children see 3rd and could switch their frequency and see 4th dimension - environment.

    If a sudden change, what would that mean? All human bodies would leave 3rd density environment. So in 3rd density would stay just lot of buildings, cars, and lot of useless stuff. Who would clean it up? Who would then clean the mess that people left here? And we have lot of karma here from not respecting our mother Earth. And it could be done just from 3rd density.

    So my guess, if I would be the Creator, I would make it little bit slower. To let my children to clean the place. And then when the job is finished, gradually stop living in 3rd density and switch to beautiful new 4D environment that is already here, we just don't see it.

    These are just my thoughts and I am still pretty confused about the whole issue Smile
    And if it is gradual, do you think that after 2012 there will be just 3D/4D indigo children incarnating? All new babies? Or some 3D could still incarnate?

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    12-15-2009, 11:10 PM
    All matter on earth will be re-crystalized to the vibration of the 4th, and the illusiory 3rd density "matter" will no longer exist.

    Here is a neat little video showing what happens when frequencies are changed. It is not the the changing of substance itself that is interesting, but what the frequency does to it. When frequency is changed, the previous form simply ceases to exist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMiowrff0Y

    I suspect this is what will happen to mind/body/spirit complexes that are not duel activated. The spirit will be left "standing there" as it were, and then see and move towards the the light as per Ra's description.

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    (12-15-2009, 11:10 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: All matter on earth will be re-crystalized to the vibration of the 4th, and the illusiory 3rd density "matter" will no longer exist.

    Here is a neat little video showing what happens when frequencies are changed. It is not the the changing of substance itself that is interesting, but what the frequency does to it. When frequency is changed, the previous form simply ceases to exist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMiowrff0Y

    I suspect this is what will happen to mind/body/spirit complexes that are not duel activated. The spirit will be left "standing there" as it were, and then see and move towards the the light as per Ra's description.

    Neat Video! I wonder if the patterns are the same if you repeat the experiment. It is very interesting how the patterns become more complex as the vibration/frequency increases.

    The idea that the spirit will be left "standing there" resonates with me. What does that means for 3D?

    In 4D are we self aware? I know that "awareness" is available in 3D. There are many that will attest to have had the experience of becoming aware of the love, light, and oneness of the universe, then "return" to their 3D bodies. When the veil is removed are we in 3D? Once the veil is removed we make a choice. I don't see how there is any turning back from that, of course, unless, we choose to do just that cuz of "free will"... Smile However, once the cat is out of the bag, can the "aware" m/b/s co-exist with the m/b/s complex that is not? I don't see how the aware m/b/s would have any common topical interest as an unaware m/b/s complex.

    Does Ra ever say how long the harvest will take, the order of the harvest, and what happens while we are waiting for our turn to be harvested?

    I wonder if the harvested beings move on to 4D, and not harvested beings reincarnate into a remade 3D earth-like experience, with the vei intact, and no "knowledge" of what had transpired on earth in 2012.

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    12-16-2009, 04:16 AM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2009, 04:25 AM by Peregrinus.)
    Inquisitive, aren't you? hehe Smile First and foremost, I wish to make a disclaimer. Though I sound sure of myself, this is what I have pieced together with my logical ape mind, and may not be entirely accurate, even though it resonates with my understanding and remembered of Ra's and Q'uo's channeled words, and I believe it to be so. As Q'uo says, keep what resonates, and allow the rest to fall away.

    (12-16-2009, 02:50 AM)seejay21 Wrote: Neat Video! I wonder if the patterns are the same if you repeat the experiment. It is very interesting how the patterns become more complex as the vibration/frequency increases.
    Play the video again. The same frequencies make the same patterns. Just kidding. Yes, the frequencies will always make the same patterns. I'd be interested in seeing which patterns are made by the Solfeggio frequencies.

    (12-16-2009, 02:50 AM)seejay21 Wrote: The idea that the spirit will be left "standing there" resonates with me. What does that means for 3D?
    3D earth will go into a potentiated state, meaning here but inactive.

    (12-16-2009, 02:50 AM)seejay21 Wrote: In 4D are we self aware?
    Yes 4D beings are self aware and there is no veil, so awareness is that of intelligent infinity and love.

    (12-16-2009, 02:50 AM)seejay21 Wrote: I know that "awareness" is available in 3D. There are many that will attest to have had the experience of becoming aware of the love, light, and oneness of the universe, then "return" to their 3D bodies. When the veil is removed are we in 3D? Once the veil is removed we make a choice. I don't see how there is any turning back from that, of course, unless, we choose to do just that cuz of "free will"... Smile However, once the cat is out of the bag, can the "aware" m/b/s co-exist with the m/b/s complex that is not? I don't see how the aware m/b/s would have any common topical interest as an unaware m/b/s complex.
    When the veil is removed we will be in the inbetween incarnative state. No, there is no turning back. There is no co-existence of that which is with that which is not, because that which is not was an illusion. Upon harvest, there is no mbs complex, only the spirit. One thing I note is that you think the choice is made when the harvest takes place. The choice is not made during harvest. It is made prior to the harvest, and is done so unconsciously or consciously. Polarity with which to meet the requirements of ascendancy is gained either positively (acceptance) or negatively (control) through effective use of catalyst.

    (12-16-2009, 02:50 AM)seejay21 Wrote: Does Ra ever say how long the harvest will take, the order of the harvest, and what happens while we are waiting for our turn to be harvested?
    We live in space time. The harvest takes place in time/space, where time as we understand it does not exist. Therefore, one second might appear to be a million years, or a billion years might appear to be one second. Unless you understand and perceive time/space presently, there is no way to explain this sufficiently.

    (12-16-2009, 02:50 AM)seejay21 Wrote: I wonder if the harvested beings move on to 4D, and not harvested beings reincarnate into a remade 3D earth-like experience, with the vei intact, and no "knowledge" of what had transpired on earth in 2012.
    All are subject to the process of harvest, unless previously having been capable.
    Ascending 4D STO spirits will be returned to earth, no veil.
    Ascending 4D STS spirits will be moved elsewhere, no veil.
    Not Ascending 3D STO and STS spirits will be relocated to another 3D planet, where they will be incarnated in whatever physical form is in use by that galaxies Logos. They will resume experience, lessons, and the path where they left off on earth, and they will know as much about their past as we know about ours.

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