The mysterious nature of time

[AnthroHeart]

I'm learning the pure vibration is who I truly am, good, bad and ugly, without judgment.

It's like presenting a flawless gem to Creator.

Hi Gimini

What does moving towards a pure vibration entail to you ?

For example, to me pure vibration means single mindness towards a particular range, it may be the rage spectrum, fear, jealousy, it doesn't matter as long it is 99% or more. That is "pure vibration"

The same thing can be said for love, hope, faith, belief, passion, ecstasy etc.

But i suspect when you say pure vibration what you mean is Single mindness towards wanted vibratory states.

Towards what you consider "good" in the dance of "creation' ?

Is that what you mean ?

Did i just answer my own question or am i out of sync here ?

[drifting pages]

This:

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[Confused]

I'm learning the pure vibration is who I truly am, good, bad and ugly, without judgment.

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Smoking is injurious to health :p

[zenmaster]

The way I look at it, we don't start here with a blank slate - we have the potential (polarization) available from past learning. We have a pre-incarnative 'program' which addresses our polarizing and balancing needs by creating biases and dispositions to find certain modes of behavior compelling. That program of study is the basic work. However, the more conscious we are of our lives, the more effective we can be in our work. Learning who you are, in a non-abstract sense, can polarize to a point where there may be such an opening. Apparently that the interpretation of the experience is based on one's valuing system, which itself goes through stages of development. Apparently, on a single life experience, polarization only roughly follows mental/emotional maturity. So one may interpret the (peak/enlightenment) experience differently based on that level of integration.

Once one has that taste, one can not go back - there is no where to hide - one is naked but at the same time 'the cup is full'. There is no true suffering as 'it' supports everything with the genuine connection of an essential nature that is 'infinite'. Because you and society are basically the same thing, on such a foundation, everyone's suffering is seen to be self induced and unnecessary (because the infinite nature trumps circumstantial reactions which people tend to dwell upon). So these difficulties starkly become immediately evaluated as the lessons which they are. And the focus is on how we deal with situations, not how we became victims of situations (as so many here want to focus upon for some reason).

I see "me" as a blank slate. The potential and the program are things I see as 'what the energy did when it met up with this physical vehicle'. I don't think being conscious of our life makes us more effective in "our work" (unsure of what that means).

By effective in our work, I mean able to do work rather than to sleep. Able to do things in a shorter amount of time provided. Able to promote consciousness by participating more wholly in the process. In that sense of more 'effective'. One may go slower or faster according to their will and desire.

I do think knowing who you are can make you more effective in consciously creating awareness effects of the situations you find yourself in, thus manipulating societal mind.

You can manipulate, transform, create all forms of mind, including the societal. But the personal one would seem to be the most pertinent at first.


"10.11 Questioner: While an entity is incarnate in this third density at this time he may either learn unconsciously without knowing what he is learning, or he may learn after he is consciously aware that he is learning in the ways of the Law of One. By the second way of learning consciously, it is possible for the entity to greatly accelerate his growth. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct."

Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

Depends on the nature of the experience and the nature of the integration. From one level of experience it is not even possible to perceive another level, so the very opportunity does not exist. The fact that the opportunity does exist, at a later point, after some growth (often involving effort and acceptance) does demonstate that there is a development occuring. Such development has defined stages within a density and accross the densities.

I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

Whether or not someone find comfort in their 'taste' is sort of irrelevant isn't it? What is important is learning something.

What is eliminated (slowly) is our distortions of and from 'Oneness'. Who we are in potential is that complete 'higher-self' being which has attained that state from creating a unique way out of what the archetypal mind (the logos) has provided as a blueprint. The removal of distortions is part of the polarization process.

On top of the archetypal mind we have the racial mind which starts to form our 'experiential nexus'. Once you start getting into that level of bias, 'outsiders' such as Ra can not really figure out what is going on, as there is something truly unique being created (i.e. fashion, rock music, etc) which have various attachments and conditions involved (which 'infect' us). Because the same basic developmental rules apply, the same lessons must be learned (regardless of manner chosen) Ra can always point the way, however. I guess the skill required in doing so is how one may construct a bridge from current attachments to misunderstandings to what is innately known to be genuine.

An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us.

We get upset when our projections fail. Some projections are reinforced more than others by the epitomization effect you have noticed. That epitomization effect is a powerful thing, incidentally, as Ra says it can actually manifest thought forms for those wishing them.

On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

The racial mind is sort of timeless. It's basically something that collects a potential, just as an individual would over lifetimes. Just what we draw from it is more a manifestation of a particular aspect of it - from just those 'questions' we're currently asking - than what it inherently is. Synchronicity is literally the same process except there is some recognition of the process due to more consciousness being available surrounding 'the question'.

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Hello drifting pages!

Synchronizing myself between drifting pages...just posted in the gardening thread, mentioning i went to a school in selfsustainability in 1982. We also were 5 women singing Sweet Adelaide and this song Feelings i have not sung ever since. I'm a singer and performer so this video hit me big time.

drifting pages :exclamation: are you a man or a woman? My prejudice says you're a woman, since i second that feeling comes first or at least thought and feeling come together simultaneously. There's too much emphasize in thougt, i know only of one man stating feelings comes first in the "spiritual community" Greg Braden

[Meerie]

I think our feelings are our greatest gift here on earth, and they make us human. According to Dolores Cannon other extraterrestrials do not have feelings like we do. So celebrate your feelings! ALL of them. Also the unwanted ugly ones . Don't shut them out, they have their place on your table also.
I have this recurring theme with jealousy. Jealous is the theme song to my life. The other day it showed up again. I said "hey it is you. You are my most loyal friend in this incarnation, huh? one can always count on you to show up. Thanks for your presence"

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Meerie that sounds strange! Of all life in our universe we humans should be the only ones having feelings? I don't believe that, it's almost like the old saying we are alone in the universe...

[Meerie]

no, I don't think she meant that we are the only ones to have feelings. She only said there are others who do not have feelings like we do. Especially the whole range, with all the negativity on this planet, that also translates in negative feelings, that I guess is pretty unique here on Earth.
by the way, drifting pages is a guy.

[3DMonkey]

Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

Depends on the nature of the experience and the nature of the integration. From one level of experience it is not even possible to perceive another level, so the very opportunity does not exist. The fact that the opportunity does exist, at a later point, after some growth (often involving effort and acceptance) does demonstate that there is a development occuring. Such development has defined stages within a density and accross the densities.

Again, I don't think there are 'levels' or 'development'. I think there is only circumstance. Seeing one entity's circumstance as time oriented, development over moments of time, or accumulated experience that is broader than previously known is what I call a personal bias that contributes to one's sense of 'accomplishment.' In the end, growth itself is an illusion. IMO.

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I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

Whether or not someone find comfort in their 'taste' is sort of irrelevant isn't it? What is important is learning something.

What I'm saying is that people develop 'taste', as you put it. "To be learning something" is a flavor.

Why is it important to be learning something? One person thinks it good and relevant. One person thinks it a waste of time. Both end up at a new circumstantial surrounding daily... and then death.

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An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us.

We get upset when our projections fail. Some projections are reinforced more than others by the epitomization effect you have noticed. That epitomization effect is a powerful thing, incidentally, as Ra says it can actually manifest thought forms for those wishing them.

And that is the way our world works. That is third density. These thought forms are constantly and consistently created whether we THINK we have "mastered" them or not. This is US.

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On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

The racial mind is sort of timeless. It's basically something that collects a potential, just as an individual would over lifetimes. Just what we draw from it is more a manifestation of a particular aspect of it - from just those 'questions' we're currently asking - than what it inherently is. Synchronicity is literally the same process except there is some recognition of the process due to more consciousness being available surrounding 'the question'.

Conscious or unconscious, we put it out there, and circumstances continue manifesting. The end is change.

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The end is now.

[Confused]

[drifting pages]

Meerie is right, i am a guy.
With a ghost vagina sometimes perhaps.

And now i will let this thread go back on topic

[Meerie]

Meerie is right, i am a guy.
With a ghost vagina sometimes perhaps.

And now i will let this thread go back on topic

No problem, the future is androgynous anyway. Future - time - on topic again!!
That is a good idea, by the way. Every guy gets a ghost vagina and every girl a ghost penis.

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Meerie is right, i am a guy.
With a ghost vagina sometimes perhaps.

And now i will let this thread go back on topic

Congratulations! I like those guys. But like Meerie says there are beautiful ones and ugly ones :@ Correction! I mean the feelings of course, not the men...
I was thinking of the fact that men often say women are controlled by their feelings but then they refer to sensitive ones, not rage and the like which often controll the feelings of men. Don't know why i associated feelings with the positive ones in this instance Probably thought about Gregg Braden who seems to be such a nice guy.



Sorry for drailing the thread, didn' read the headline, just jumped in at the end...

[Meerie]

Who is this Greg Braden? the name sounds vaguely familiar. Could you link a video? or summarize his work?
Actually I think they are ugly only as long as they are unwanted. When I talked to my jealousy the other day I could see it (the feeling) was surprised to get some recognition, after all. And I got the wierdest idea about it... I was thinking you are such a loyal one! If I ever meet a guy that is as loyal as you, my jealousy....
I think I may be falling in love with my jealousy, actually.
(insert corny music and violins here, repeat until fade)

[AnthroHeart]

[3DMonkey]

A penis IS a vagina in time/space.

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Vagenis
Penina

[AnthroHeart]

You're funny 3D.

Went on a walk today to further experience surrendering to the energy.

The energy supports me surprisingly well when I demonstrate a high degree of puppetness.

Must have looked like a drunk man walking, but also doing seemingly "difficult" feats of balance as my body would right itself automatically. My upward pull feels *THAT* close to being equal to gravity.

[transiten]

Ooops!

Congratulations! I like those guys. But like Meerie says there are beautiful ones and ugly ones :@ Correction! I mean the feelings of course, not the men...

Sorry for derailing the thread, didn't read the headline, just jumped in at the end...

[AnthroHeart]

I have found now some very interesting effects. I've majorly increased density of my field (well as far as I can tell from where I was).

When I picked up a glass or bowl, I found that when I let go and used will to move the Field within me, rather than just using my muscles, the objects became feather light. I think in this case I'm operating at a slightly higher subdensity than the objects around me.

I also found a feedback, in that if I try to move objects too quickly, the density of my own field will momentarily cause drag, making the objects much harder to move for a moment.

So now, it's about a balance between using my muscles/force to move things, and using my will to move the Source Field withing me to move things. There's a lot of finesse involved.

So I was doing little things like opening a DVD case with as little effort as possible, trying not to use muscles to do it, but just will that my hands open it. About 20 seconds and the case popped open. It's a slow process, but quite exciting. It's like I'm having to learn how to work my body again.

[Confused]

[zenmaster]

Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

Depends on the nature of the experience and the nature of the integration. From one level of experience it is not even possible to perceive another level, so the very opportunity does not exist. The fact that the opportunity does exist, at a later point, after some growth (often involving effort and acceptance) does demonstate that there is a development occuring. Such development has defined stages within a density and accross the densities.

Again, I don't think there are 'levels' or 'development'. I think there is only circumstance. Seeing one entity's circumstance as time oriented, development over moments of time, or accumulated experience that is broader than previously known is what I call a personal bias that contributes to one's sense of 'accomplishment.' In the end, growth itself is an illusion. IMO.

Yes, everything is an illusion. This would include any ability, perspective, opportunity, etc. The newborn baby and the world leader, both equally effective in the end. Yes. Meanwhile, the principles of this density and our reflection in it are capable of becoming known. The ability to aid others is increased with consciousness. Whether or not one has a sense of accomplishment or takes any stock whatsoever is irrelevant. In the end it is done. But now is not the end, otherwise you would not be here. One can waste time learning slowly or accelerate the process by bothering to accept.

Consider then, that if there is only circumstance, we have relative abilities to introduce particular circumstances which are, in fact, the result of development.

I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

Whether or not someone find comfort in their 'taste' is sort of irrelevant isn't it? What is important is learning something.

What I'm saying is that people develop 'taste', as you put it. "To be learning something" is a flavor.

To be learning something is what happens when you do not ignore catalyst.

Why is it important to be learning something?
One person thinks it good and relevant. One person thinks it a waste of time. Both end up at a new circumstantial surrounding daily... and then death.

The new circumstance is what has been graciously provided for the purpose of learning. Sure, the opportunity can be ignored as well and by so doing we offer that much less to ourselves, society, and the creator.

"To teach/learn is the Law of One in one of its most elementary distortions."
"We, of Ra, are humble messengers of the Law of One. We seek to teach/learn this single law."
"To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. "

An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us.

We get upset when our projections fail. Some projections are reinforced more than others by the epitomization effect you have noticed. That epitomization effect is a powerful thing, incidentally, as Ra says it can actually manifest thought forms for those wishing them.

And that is the way our world works. That is third density. These thought forms are constantly and consistently created whether we THINK we have "mastered" them or not. This is US.

Yes. And they will influence us, determine how we will live, unless and until we subsume their purpose.

On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

The racial mind is sort of timeless. It's basically something that collects a potential, just as an individual would over lifetimes. Just what we draw from it is more a manifestation of a particular aspect of it - from just those 'questions' we're currently asking - than what it inherently is. Synchronicity is literally the same process except there is some recognition of the process due to more consciousness being available surrounding 'the question'.

Conscious or unconscious, we put it out there, and circumstances continue manifesting. The end is change.

Of course. There are differences in the quality and magnitude of these changes as well, depending on how consciousness is directed. We can wait for something to manifest in a random manner, merely subsisting underneath the love or indulgence of another, or we can have a more honorable approach and more directly participate with the process and create it. The end is change.

[3DMonkey]

"I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind."

[zenmaster]

"I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind."

It's not what someone sees or does in particular. That's the key.

[3DMonkey]

Key to what? There is nothing to learn. There is just stuff.

[zenmaster]

Key to what? There is nothing to learn. There is just stuff.

There is indeed no thing to learn. Yet there is learning. It occurs, just like change. The Tao says "to raise but not to seize the throne".

[3DMonkey]

or is it "to fall and never hit bottom"?

[zenmaster]

The idea is creation, if you missed it.

[3DMonkey]

The Tao? Yes, I missed it. Clueless.

I do think we are chasing the wind. Utterly. Completely.

As much as I agree with you, Zen, we continue to make use of the understanding completely different. I continue to see the goal as our entity continuation, which is not coming about. You may make waves in generations to come, but I don't give a damn about that.

[zenmaster]

What is an entity continuation?

[3DMonkey]

life after death.

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