The mysterious nature of time

[3DMonkey]

In that one, Confused, I kept wondering why he wanted to make the focal point off center instead of viewing the circle as off center from the point.

No conclusions on my part. I was just curious about that. (and also how he keeps his back so straight in that position )

[Confused]

In that one, Confused, I kept wondering why he wanted to make the focal point off center instead of viewing the circle as off center from the point.

No conclusions on my part. I was just curious about that. (and also how he keeps his back so straight in that position )

Actually, I did not understand much of this video. However, I continued with it. Often times, I find that many things do not make sense immediately. They will come back at a later time on a 'aha' moment basis. That is why the LOO clicked for me in so many ways. Thank you for the beautiful gift by email!

[AnthroHeart]

It makes me wonder, when illusions were created, that gave way to our projections, why some projections led to greater emotional attachments than others. Why does the murder of an individual hold more emotional attachment than a leaf blowing in the wind? A leaf settling down to the ground also produces catalyst. The position of a person's ear to the surrounding space produces catalyst. Someone opening a bag next to you produces catalyst.

As you approach stillness, you notice the importance of light touch. How when you open a door, the movement is not smooth, but a series of lesser or greater resistances. The door, opening or closing, is harder, easier, harder, easier to open and close at places within its movement.

[Meerie]

Maybe each of us chooses pre-incarnatively which projections / emotions will lead to greater attachment than others for himself? I chose jealousy, for example. I chose the incarnation that would allow me to delve deeply into that illusion, by growing up as the middle child and having my little brother provide me with excellent catalyst.
You know, sort of like a template

[AnthroHeart]

Cool Meerie. What I would recommend, if you are willing, is to really get into that jealousy. Think about what makes you most jealous, and build the energy. Let the stories build. When it is peaked, relax, take time to reflect and allow you to integrate this. It will build your energy, your centeredness and stability. Our emotions are then held in a gyroscopic balance, around the intense gravity of our singularity (who we truly are), and are not easily swayed. It takes time. I've spent 2-3 hours at a stretch building the energy behind my sexual desire, and a whole day integrating it. And I would say don't push yourself too far. A little at a time goes a long way. It will move you more toward who you truly are, by not fighting against those impulses.

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The desire will become much finer in its nuances. For example, before it was just really abrupt passion like thoughts of sex. Now, at this point, it's like, how does this characters mind interface with his consciousness, through his projected dna, to create the impulses in the brain, to create the movements of muscles, that create ripples in space/time that create a vibrational dance which resonates the senses. Ultimately, at my current level of understanding, it comes down to the fine balance of desire of being controlled by and desire to control our projections.

[Meerie]

You know, when I was thinking about this before, that we each choose certain emotions to work with, like in my case, jealousy, it almost seemed like a curriculum to me! Like earth is this big school, and we all enroll for certain classes here. It is all a part of creator experiencing itself.
I wanna graduate in jealousy class! and Gemini in sex class!
(now I am getting jealous again.... I want to go to sex class too! )

[3DMonkey]

Now, at this point, it's like, how does this characters mind interface with his consciousness, through his projected dna, to create the impulses in the brain, to create the movements of muscles, that create ripples in space/time that create a vibrational dance which resonates the senses. Ultimately, at my current level of understanding, it comes down to the fine balance of desire of being controlled by and desire to control our projections.

Love this list!

If I may, I'd like to bounce my current view contributions of this thread off your post here, GW. In no way, do I wish to critique this terrific technique you have. I would only hope to give another example of my view relative to your post.

This is a great example of my view. That is you have this really intense and detailed technique to achieve... something. It is what is chosen for self. The ends to this means is for you alone. You are just another human doing what you see as worth doing.

(my only opinion about your techniques is "I am interested and slightly amused")

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(now I am getting jealous again.... I want to go to sex class too! )

hilarious XD

[AnthroHeart]

Sure, it's totally possible that this is a technique just for me, though I have great eagerness in sharing. Yeah, it's amusing in many, many ways, and in higher densities of 3rd, without emotional stability these desires and fears and combinations thereof would pwn my azz.

Like sexual desire, there would be many densities of jealousy. (When I say density I mean subdensity within 3rd, unless otherwise mentioned). Higher density sexual desire is both potent and balanced. It is much more refined, and full of finesse in expression. It can contort the physical body if you allow it. It can move your body in patterns, and do stunts and such, to the level of your trust. It can walk the body like a puppet. At this point I don't know if sexual desire and jealousy reaches infinite density before opening intelligent infinity. I'm curious about experiencing infinite sexual desire. That's still so far off, but it does raise the question about the capacity of 3d to experience. At my current density, when I'm in the flow, it can become very difficult to walk because of the density of the surrounding space. But feats of balance, like effortlessly walking with my back nearly horizontal to the ground are certainly possible.

One example of a higher density view is that desire is also created through contrast. The hardness of a character's forehead, contrast with the softness of the eyes creates catalyst (the desire). Combine something filthy like mud wrestling with cute women and you create contrast that appeals to many (not so much to me though at my current density) and creates desire.

Love this list!

If I may, I'd like to bounce my current view contributions of this thread off your post here, GW. In no way, do I wish to critique this terrific technique you have. I would only hope to give another example of my view relative to your post.

This is a great example of my view. That is you have this really intense and detailed technique to achieve... something. It is what is chosen for self. The ends to this means is for you alone. You are just another human doing what you see as worth doing.

(my only opinion about your techniques is "I am interested and slightly amused")

[Confused]

[AnthroHeart]

By "infinite desires and fears" I mean to be in 100% acceptance and emotional stability (and ability to handle the energy) of every desire and fear that 3D is capable of offering. It is having the polarization/capacity to counterbalance infinite desires and infinite fears. Infinite in 3D is different than infinite in 4D. This is my understanding now, though it could be wrong.

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Thanks, I needed the meditation. Really helps.

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From one of my favorite albums, Jazz Wolf.

[zenmaster]

Your honesty is limited because you automatically assume I have not been where you have been. That is your choice. Free to do as you wish.

lol! It is projection to automatically assume that I assume that you have not been where I have been. That is your choice. Free to do as you wish.

Of course we are talking about different things. This is communication. This is the only reason I point out that there is never agreement. Not because i'm "projecting". It is our existence= non-agreeing. Never. Doesn't exist otherwise. Acknowledging this is more honest.

Been acknowledging it from the beginning my friend.

"it's a state". Bingo. It is a state.

In an everlasting environment with a veil, one should not assume their state subsumes another's. In a non-everlasting environment, subsumed stature has zero relevancy. In a delusional environment, we always know better ourselves.

Yep, we agree. However, is that important to this particular topic? Not really. Because that's not what's been going on in this case. Simple as that. It is indeed delusional to assume that your idea of projection and foolishness is indeed what is occurring. Now is being that delusional also being dishonest? I'd say so, because an assumption had to be made based on a faulty premise which was probably ego satisfying rather than truth seeking. Did you know better? Deep down probably so.

Thus, through such delusional projections, we can selectively dismiss and create straw men or windmills, etc. And yet states are indeed subsumed. This is how development occurs - the child becomes the adult.

[3DMonkey]

Automatically? I'm only trying to decipher your words. I don't assume that. I imply that. Perhaps changing the word 'because' to 'if' will help.

If you were acknowledging it, then why call me out as "requiring agreement is your projection" ?

Are you talking to me or yourself? I honestly can't tell. Or are you speaking to the public in general? You have just laid out my view clearly.

This is so true: "It is indeed delusional to assume that your idea of projection and foolishness is indeed what is occurring. Now is being that delusional also being dishonest? I'd say so, because an assumption had to be made based on a faulty premise which was probably ego satisfying rather than truth seeking. Did you know better? Deep down probably so."

This is an excellent depiction of the circle I see. You do it. I do it. Whichever "guru" you choose to listen to does it. Every speaker Confused has posted in this thread does it. We can't escape it. It is what created the LOO. It is what created the Tao. It is all the same BS. When I say BS, I don't mean to degrade any of it, or put myself outside of it. I just want to know it is BS before I start swimming around in it.

[zenmaster]

I really don't see your point? It seem you are trying to make one, but I don't see it? It's like you are talking about things which are not relevant to what I've been saying. It's it to dismiss because it's illusory or what? I've talked with others about such things, they recognize the role of the ego as well, but they don't have to bring it up because it's a given. So why it is being brought up every time?

[3DMonkey]

My "circle", you mean?

Because, in my mind, it falsifies every idea, thus grouping it all into a class of pointlessness, which is the human perceived archetypal structure. I don't like being lied to, and I definitely don't like lying to others. So I'm calling it like I see it.

I realize how that sounds, and it may be tempting to view me as in need of psychiatric help. I assure you, that would not be the case here. I am a normal, functioning human. I embrace what I perceive as pointless. I gotta be me. If there is anything LOO and others have taught me, it is that being me is the best thing to do.

[zenmaster]

I still don't think you get what I've been saying. But if you don't want to discuss it, that's fine. For what it's worth, if you didn't want to discuss, you probably should have said so in the first place.

[3DMonkey]

I think time/space is just as much a human illusion as we try to perceive space/time as illusion. I think the idea of me being an entity and exhibiting cognitive wholeness after my body dies is just an idea that a human being finds itself creating out of nothing. This is important to me.

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I still don't think you get what I've been saying. But if you don't want to discuss it, that's fine. For what it's worth, if you didn't want to discuss, you probably should have said so in the first place.

I have no idea what you are asking. Perhaps a refresh.

LOL. The only thing I hear you saying is "I don't know what you are trying to say." So, I continue to try to explain.

[zenmaster]

The only thing I hear you saying is that there is no development, all is an illusion and foolhearty. Yet, we continue to learn and to develop. As Ra said, "It is correct that in the chance to remember that which has been lost in the forgetting there is a nimiety of opportunity for positive polarization." Do you somehow think there is no polarization here? Do you deny that opportunity? That's fine if you do, I certainly am not trying to convince. Just want to know what you can accept.

[3DMonkey]

Foolhearty, in light of infinity, yes. Continue to learn and to develop, in light of a singular incarnation, yes. I do not deny any opportunity. I welcome each individuals expression and expressed needs. They are each equal to me. That is what I'm saying.


Are you aware that this sentence, "Just want to know what you can accept", is a backhanded inquiry to limit my Self with any answer I give? (like Did you stop beating your wife today?) I'm sure you will then point out it is my projections, etc., and then we go another round on the "circle", you and I. " I'd say so, because an assumption had to be made based on a faulty premise which was probably ego satisfying rather than truth seeking. Did you know better? Deep down probably so."

[AnthroHeart]

I'm finding now in my current density that arousal patterns aren't on/off abrupt like they were before. Same with emotions like anxiety and such. When I feel anxious, I intensify that. If I feel an emotion that I cannot name, I intensify that. If I'm upset, I intensify that, and so on.

Rather than being suddenly anxious, or suddenly aroused, my arousal curve is following more like the curves in this video that Confused posted before. Emotional responses happen slower here, but they have much more push to them. In fact pretty much all my emotions are moving toward these fluid curvelike experiences.

The only thing I disagree with in the video is that at the top there is room for only 2. Really, there is only one. At the top, when you are who you truly are, you are truth. Truth, that singularity that is the anchor point of our universe, a projection of the mind.

[Confused]

You are very welcome, dear GW

[AnthroHeart]

yw Confused. It's really all about that saying from Abraham Hicks, follow your bliss.

If bliss for you is meditation, clearing all desires softly, then absolutely do that.

For me, I have intense desire to experience the infinite intensities and infinite subtleties of emotions that 3d is capable of offering. I am in a near constant state of orgasm stream feeling in the sexual chakra and heart, a very dense stream. It makes my body tremble ever so slightly. At times I have to ease down the intensity because it can easily be overstimulating.

My absolute favorite favorite emotion at my current density is wonder. Wonder is more of an expansive expression of adorement, but not so expansive as to be captivated.

[Ruth]

Confused, can you find any material on intensifying desires? That's what I was doing. When I had something that would arouse me (seems sexuality was my strongest desire), I would mentally let the story build until it was too much for me, and then I'd back off. Then I'd build it more, then back off. That's how I got rid of desires that I have so far.

Gemini Wolf - your question brings to mind a "technique" I learned many years ago for controling pain. The technique is to focus on the point of pain and try to intensify it. Somehow that focus and attempt to intensify actually balanced out the pain and either made it bearable, or relieved it altogether. Different, but similar.

Light & Love!

[AnthroHeart]

Absolutely agree.

If there is anything LOO and others have taught me, it is that being me is the best thing to do.

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I know I posted this on the last page, but I'm excited about it.

My absolute favorite favorite emotion at my current density is wonder. Wonder is more of an expansive expression of adorement, but not so expansive as to be captivated. From sexual desire to wonder. What is the capacity of 3d to offer infinite wonder?

This is right now, THE epitome of wonder for me.

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[Meerie]

That Jazz Wolf music is cool, Gemini! a question, do you also like the pink panther movies? Pink panther was briefly in that vid of yours.
That expression on that kittys face, the epitome of wonder reminds me of someone. I have seen that look on someone elses face before.

[AnthroHeart]

Pink panther humored me, though it's been a bit since I saw.

And at times I must balance too much wonder. What is the capacity of 3d to offer anger and hate and...jealousy?

[Meerie]

Well I am best at jealousy, I could help you with that one
Anger, hate... hm. Do you ever read the newspaper with all these horrible reports about people getting killed, raped, etc.?
Or how the rich exploit the poor? Does that make you angry?
I easily get jealous of nearly everything. When I see a good-looking girl go down the street and I see she looks better than me. When confused thanks 3D for the nice email he got and I am like "what? I still wait for 3Ds answer to my email :@ "
When people don't give me enough likes for my posts :@
See? it is easy! You just have to expect others to live up to your expectations, which is virtually impossible. And comparing yourself to others to your disadvantage.

[AnthroHeart]

In "knowing myself", the best way to push my anger button is to hurt a furry anthro (or this lion character), take away the free will freedom of this character, submit him to experimental medicine, and dominate him so that he has no choice to express himself. I could go further to express my "high density pissed off button", but it might gross you out.

[Meerie]

okay then you would maybe also express jealousy quite differently. interesting.
Like for example,your favorite furry anthro does not favor you, but someone else instead? would that make you jealous? Say, your favorite furry anthro favors me over you... we could catch two flies with that one! you would get to experience jealousy and I would balance it.

[AnthroHeart]

I would adore that he is expressing his free will in making a choice.

[Meerie]

Oh no!!! you are a hopeless case. You would totally fail jealousy class, dear Gem!

Weird though. Since to me it is so natural, and you are entirely unattached to it. (now I am getting jealous at your unattachment)
I am really good at this, huh!
(I am curious at your "high density pissed off button", though)