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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS

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    #31
    12-16-2011, 04:50 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 04:52 PM by Oceania.)
    yeah great rant.
    that anonýmous guy is creepy to the max. i dunno if David should trust him. he speaks in a weirdo irish accent. sounds like a priest.

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    #32
    12-16-2011, 06:02 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 07:20 PM by hogey11.)
    @Aaron,

    If zen's original posts had been full of the stuff you ask for, I wouldn't be reacting in this way. Derek sent out a line for light and love and instead the first 5 posts are rife with derailing logic and cynicism. If people don't like this subject, don't concern yourself with it.

    David could have very well been in trouble as the information he has been releasing this week has been earth shattering if true. If this lawsuit comes to a head, it will mean the freedom of humanity. At this point, we've convinced ourselves that we don't have enough money and it's backed by nothing at all. How could we ignore the fact that in truth we have millions of trillions of dollars backed by gold at our disposal and the only thing holding us back is our tired and broken concepts of wealth being limited to a few? This could be very important to our future and the creation of a true 4D world, and I don't see it interfering with people in any way that is offensive. They should learn to smile and nod and move on.

    PS I love you zen BigSmile
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    #33
    12-16-2011, 06:36 PM
    well i don't really know what to think. that irish mafia guy is not sounding very angelic. but he seems to defend the little guy.

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    12-16-2011, 07:19 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 07:19 PM by hogey11.)
    He had some interesting things to say, that's for sure...

    "We're the type who can go bother them after their body dies, so don't worry about that, lad!"


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    12-16-2011, 07:30 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 09:51 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    I think the larger point is... One person gets a death threat, a second person sends out a call for assistance, and a third responds with a lecture on "conspiracy theory"?! Dodgy

    How is that "Respect. Compassion. Loving-kindness. Empathy. Trust. Goodwill."?

    Perhaps if we were able to get a legitimate conversation going on a particular "conspiracy theory" in this forum, it might actually prove fruitful in discerning the wheat from the chaff. Instead, we get the thought patrol "protecting us" from our own biases and distortions.
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    12-16-2011, 08:07 PM
    I do agree, Hogey makes some valid points. Not to witch-hunt our friend zen, rather highlight the inconsistent reminding of the rules.

    Love to all :¬)
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    12-16-2011, 08:21 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 08:21 PM by ThatZenGuy.)
    It was David's book The Source Field Investigations that got me into reading LOO and also Journey of the Souls. Both great reads. I owe David lots of love and light as a brother of light and fellow seeker!
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    #38
    12-16-2011, 09:27 PM
    (12-16-2011, 02:44 PM)hogey11 Wrote:
    (12-14-2011, 11:06 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Remember, Fulford accused the US of causing the Japanese earthquake and tsunami via HAARP antennae array and that they intended to force a Mt Fuji eruption.
    zen, this quote shows that you are not taking any of this seriously and that you are as much a part of the 'disinformation' problem as anybody else.

    Fulford has not said "the US" has done any such thing;

    It's not a matter of taking this seriously, but rather a matter of discernment.

    From Fulford's own website blog (I see now retroactively edited):

    For the earthquake (and resulting tsunami):

    "The United States occupation forces in Japan are staging a major strategic defeat because they know the Japanese defense establishment knows it was elements of the US military that set off the March 11, (311) tsunami attack against Japan."

    "The earthquake and tsunami attack on Japan by the criminal corporate Washington D.C. cabal was meant to intimidate the people of the world into submission. "

    "The horrific earthquake weapon HAARP (which can also cause spacequake) which attacked Japan on March 11, 2011 resulting in 10 meter long tsunamis along much of Japan’s coast line came from rogue elements of the U.S. government located in underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada.These are informations according to pentagon and CIA sources.."

    "The United States is supposed to be an ally of Japan, we demand that you immediately send men with tanks and guns to take these bases and arrest these genocidal rogues. You know who they are and you know where they are, you must act or your own people will be next."

    For the volcano:

    "The American government in cooperation with Federal Reserve, the Rockefellers, and other powerful groups, they are planning the eruption of Mt. Fuji volcano. The earthquake and the tsunami was March 11th, 2011: 03, 11, 11. The Mt. Fuji Eruption they are planning is for April 11th, 2011: 04, 11, 11. However, here we want to expose this upcoming event to the public. We will also publish the GPS location of the HAARP earthquake weapon in America."




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    12-16-2011, 09:59 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 09:59 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (12-16-2011, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: "The United States occupation forces in Japan are staging a major strategic defeat because they know the Japanese defense establishment knows it was elements of the US military that set off the March 11, (311) tsunami attack against Japan."

    Elements = a small group of people within the US military was involved. This doesn't even say that they were at, or near, the highest levels of the military. Just a small group of people.

    Quote:"The earthquake and tsunami attack on Japan by the criminal corporate Washington D.C. cabal was meant to intimidate the people of the world into submission. "

    Cabal = a small group of people within the Washington D.C. were involved. This doesn't even say that they were at, or near, the highest levels of the government. Just a small group of people.

    Quote:"The horrific earthquake weapon HAARP (which can also cause spacequake) which attacked Japan on March 11, 2011 resulting in 10 meter long tsunamis along much of Japan’s coast line came from rogue elements of the U.S. government located in underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada.These are informations according to pentagon and CIA sources.."

    Rogue elements = a small group of people who are not acting in alignment with the rest of the government. This doesn't even say that they were at, or near, the highest levels of the government. Just a small group of people, taking advantage of the situation.

    Quote:"The United States is supposed to be an ally of Japan, we demand that you immediately send men with tanks and guns to take these bases and arrest these genocidal rogues. You know who they are and you know where they are, you must act or your own people will be next."

    If the rogues are genocidal, then the majority or mainstream is not. That is what makes them rogues.

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    12-16-2011, 10:23 PM (This post was last modified: 12-16-2011, 10:31 PM by Monica.)
    (12-16-2011, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's not a matter of taking this seriously, but rather a matter of discernment.

    It's difficult to have discernment when one doesn't have all the facts. No matter how good our discernment is, most of us simply don't have access to enough info to even begin to sort thru all this stuff.

    A good example is 911. Most Americans still have their heads buried in the sand, not because of a lack of discernment, but because they've been fed false info from 'authorities' they trust. They don't even know enough to realize that discernment is needed!

    Whether all his conclusions are true or not, people like David Wilcock are doing us a favor by doing a lot of the researching and compiling for us. I'm grateful to him for that!


    (12-16-2011, 07:30 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I think the larger point is... One person gets a death threat, a second person sends out a call for assistance, and a third responds with a lecture on "conspiracy theory"?! Dodgy

    How is that "Respect. Compassion. Loving-kindness. Empathy. Trust. Goodwill."?

    Perhaps if we were able to get a legitimate conversation going on a particular "conspiracy theory" in this forum, it might actually prove fruitful in discerning the wheat from the chaff. Instead, we get the thought patrol "protecting us" from our own biases and distortions.

    Yes, exactly. I just heard part of the interview. Those tears were real. The guy was terrified! He needs love right now, regardless of whether his theories are correct.

    I'll probably end up splitting this thread so discussion of the actual theories can be continued in their own thread.
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    12-16-2011, 11:33 PM
    (12-16-2011, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: From Fulford's own website blog (I see now retroactively edited):

    How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards. You are quoting information he was putting out on March 11th, 2011 - the day of the earthquake. By April 28th, he was writing this:

    Quote:Instead, evidence that Japan was deliberately attacked with a earthquake and tsunami triggering seabed nuclear weapon is mounting. For example, archivists have uncovered a series of newspaper articles in mainstream Japanese papers like the Asahi and Yomiuri Newspapers reveal the use of nuclear earthquake weapons was commonly reported on here in the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s. The Japanese right wing/military/yakuza/police establishment is also now aware that Jay Rockefeller, Peter Hans Kolvenbach and Nicholas Sarkozy are the prime suspects in this attack.


    Is it that unforgivable that he change his mind when he's dealing with such questionable material?

    I also found this from Ben's blog on April 11th, 2011:

    Quote:On a more down to earth level, the $1 trillion Neil Keenan lawsuit is finally reaching a crucial stage. People from all over the world have been providing evidence of crimes by the criminal cabal that owns the Washington D.C. corporate government. The constant flow of new information meant extra-legal preparations were needed and that is why the case has been pending for so long.

    In a sign people are getting nervous though, last week Bill Clinton, Carl Rove, Tim Geithner, Paul Volcker and Bilderberg Chairman Ettiene D’avignon were among the many luminaries calling about the case.

    The main reason for their concern is that the plaintiffs have now gotten their hands of a book of codes, together with screen shots confirming their validity, that show all major financial transactions of the past 30 years. This means the lawsuit will be able to prove such things as that Al Qaeda and the Pentagon are being financed by the same people.

    I find it all fascinating, and I am glad to hear David is feeling much more secure. Love and light all!

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    #42
    12-17-2011, 01:12 AM
    (12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.

    Didn't Fulford also say, without a doubt, that assassins were going to systematically eliminate the Illuminati at the top? Genuine question..what's the update on that?

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    12-17-2011, 01:29 AM
    (12-16-2011, 03:42 PM)Conifer16 Wrote: I didn't see this post as attacking zen. In fact it looked to me like it was in general expressing frustration with people who just disregard theories like this whithout even looking at them.

    Usually when we post a mod note, it's not directed at any one specific person, but to all participants in the discussion. Volatile topics can get heated and the mod note is just a friendly reminder.

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    12-17-2011, 03:17 AM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 03:17 AM by yossarian.)
    (12-17-2011, 01:12 AM)Icaro Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.

    Didn't Fulford also say, without a doubt, that assassins were going to systematically eliminate the Illuminati at the top? Genuine question..what's the update on that?

    He said that was the plan at the time but then they decided it would be too volatile and they wanted to take a slower but surer and less violent approach
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    12-17-2011, 03:24 AM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 03:32 AM by zenmaster.)
    (12-16-2011, 10:23 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's not a matter of taking this seriously, but rather a matter of discernment.
    It's difficult to have discernment when one doesn't have all the facts.
    You really think?


    (12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 09:27 PM)zenmaster Wrote: From Fulford's own website blog (I see now retroactively edited):
    How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.
    The willingness to spew BS kinda reinforces the salt intake requirement at any one point, dudn't it.



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    12-17-2011, 04:10 AM
    (12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 03:42 PM)Conifer16 Wrote: I didn't see this post as attacking zen. In fact it looked to me like it was in general expressing frustration with people who just disregard theories like this whithout even looking at them.

    Usually when we post a mod note, it's not directed at any one specific person, but to all participants in the discussion. Volatile topics can get heated and the mod note is just a friendly reminder.

    Thank you for clarifying that Monica. :-)

    -Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

    Before you posted, it felt like,from how I saw Aaron's post and the immediacy of it after hogeys post, it was directed at hogeys post and so I rushed to show my support seeing as I was confused why hogey was being targeted and wanted to support him/her. (like I would anyone who needed it Smile )
    So thanks again for clearing it up for us Smile :-)

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    12-17-2011, 05:04 AM
    (12-17-2011, 03:24 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 10:23 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: It's difficult to have discernment when one doesn't have all the facts.
    You really think?

    Yes, I really think! Wink

    My point is that, most mainstream people don't even know even the basic bits of info regarding most of those 'conspiracy theories' so how can they discern what they don't know?

    And many who are exposed to them, dismiss them without adequately researching the data.

    Especially in cases in which the theory is extremely unpleasant to contemplate, people often activate their defense mechanisms before they ever have a chance to even look at the data at all.

    That isn't discernment; it's fear.

    (12-17-2011, 03:24 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.
    The willingness to spew BS kinda reinforces the salt intake requirement at any one point, dudn't it.

    Zen, I'm curious by what process do you determine that something is BS? Is there a criteria for spotting BS that you'd recommend?
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    12-17-2011, 09:29 AM
    Good perspective from Clif High over at Half Past Human:

    http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

    There is a strong possibility that David is being skilfully manipulated here.
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    12-17-2011, 11:58 AM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 02:14 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (12-17-2011, 05:04 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: That isn't discernment; it's fear.

    Exactly.

    A/Q Session 26 Wrote:If you continue to return fear to fear and hatred to hatred, you have not understood and the work will be repeated until it is understood.

    (12-17-2011, 03:24 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.
    The willingness to spew BS kinda reinforces the salt intake requirement at any one point, dudn't it.

    The willingness to admit when one was previously wrong, instead of stubbornly digging one's heels in, is what counts in my book. The first takes courage and faith, the latter ignorance and fear (i.e. cognitive dissonance). Hey- at least DW actually responds to comments where people are calling him out. May not be the best response, but it is better than completely ignoring it. Wink

    Oh- and just in case you didn't notice- the willingness of the "mainstream" ANYTHING to spew BS requires more salt than is in the whole earth! No harsh words for the doctors who told millions of women that it was a good idea to tear out their female parts, and start taking hormone replacement? What about the government agencies that nodded and smiled while people borrowed more money than they could afford before the financial crisis? Re-election time for those fatcats? And since we're on a roll, don't forget to mention the BS that gets spewed from all the churches, etc. on a weekly basis. You know... the part that says all you need to do is "believe in Jesus" and you are saved? Those guys get a free pass to spread BS till the cows come home, but Fulford and Wilcock better not utter a word of falsehood? Hmm, that sounds like quite a strong bias to me.

    Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Zen, I'm curious by what process do you determine that something is BS? Is there a criteria for spotting BS that you'd recommend?

    My question for zenmaster would be: Who in your past experience fed you so much BS that you feel compelled to defend yourself against it, at all costs?

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    12-17-2011, 12:03 PM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 02:55 PM by Aaron.)
    (12-17-2011, 05:04 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (12-17-2011, 03:24 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (12-16-2011, 11:33 PM)hogey11 Wrote: How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.
    The willingness to spew BS kinda reinforces the salt intake requirement at any one point, dudn't it.

    Zen, I'm curious by what process do you determine that something is BS? Is there a criteria for spotting BS that you'd recommend?
    Generally, take a look at the claims, the innuendo, the motivations and particular agenda of some entity (person or organization) professing to offer or be in a position to offer something, determine if what is being claimed is in any way congruent with what you know to be true (or seems to be true, since 'anything' is possible, particularly if one likes the possibility). If it's not find out why.

    Take a look at the collective information output from a particular source, over time, and see if there are patterns to behavior that suggest a prejudice and therefore distorted judgement (i.e. zealotry). Are there particular themes being emphasized? Is there a suggestion of personal allegorical drama? If there are verifiable facts, are those facts presented in a manner that suggests framing is being employed for the purpose of supporting unverifiable facts. When facts are lacking, in what manner are the claims/innuendo/insinuations being supported? By an appeal to emotion or desired state of mind (i.e. elevation)? Is there undue importance placed on relatively minor supporting facts? Are claims over-extended and ambiguity and vagary used to conceal the 'lacuna' - missing knowledge, cognitive gaps? Is there obvious conflation?

    When faced with the unknown or unverifiable or ambiguous, we have a tendency to 'fill in the blanks' with what we want to see (i.e. negative or positive interpretation of catalyst) at the expense of what is there. We also know that we directly participate in molding the future, so what we want to see, if viable, may unfold with that guidance (unconscious or conscious) anyway. The conspiracy story is often used to impress a reference frame for how the people, institutions, places, and things should be interpreted for the purpose of catalysing desired change. This often done at the expense of presenting the actual facts of the matter (i.e. lying) which is, of course, readily excused by sympathizers who want the perceived end-goal of the change.


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    12-17-2011, 12:14 PM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 03:10 PM by Monica.)
    (12-17-2011, 09:29 AM)Eddie Wrote: Good perspective from Clif High over at Half Past Human:

    http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

    There is a strong possibility that David is being skilfully manipulated here.

    Can never guess what kind of mood Clif is going to be in. Looks like he was more interested in ranting than fact-checking when he wrote that.

    The complaint as filed doesn't say anything about 2 million tons of gold. (Whoops... looks like somebody forgot to check the primary document in question before making their commentary, and then somebody else forgot to check it again when making their commentary on the first person's commentary, and then yet another person forgot to check the primary document yet again when making commentary on somebody else's commentary on somebody else's commentary.) BigSmile

    What it actually says is:

    Quote:Upon information and belief, between 1927 and 1938, as a result of arrangements made between China and the United States, the United States purchased some 50 million ounces of silver and leased vast amounts of gold from the Nationalist Chinese Government, known as Kuomintang.

    Interesting and valid commentary aside about DW being fed some lies, and the external savior myth, I see that Clif writes:

    Quote:It is necessary to note in this context that some years ago i discovered that a conspiracy board named Godlikeproductions, or GLP, (the gulper's here at hph), is being used as a 'signalling' device. Perhaps even a triggering platform, though i am not yet certain about that just yet.

    Ya think, Clif? And what might a forum like GLP do for the accuracy of prognostications and "future reporting" based upon web spyders? Just a thought...

    BS sees as BS does.

    Clif High Wrote:To be aware of our roles in universe is a very difficult and continually demanding task as these change over time and situation, yet it is perfectly true that such awareness is key to the only 'escape clause' in the system. The buddhists phrased it as 'only those who observe (the patterns ruling their destiny), can step out of them'. In this new time that we have settling upon our collective shoulders, it may be better to observe that 'awareness allows us to best direct our roles'.


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    12-17-2011, 01:21 PM
    (12-17-2011, 09:29 AM)Eddie Wrote: Good perspective from Clif High over at Half Past Human:

    http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

    There is a strong possibility that David is being skilfully manipulated here.

    clif's point was kinda my thoughts, too. if there really is that vast amount of gold that anonymous and wilcock hinted at, then wouldn't the gold be less valuable due to there being so much of it? unless it's made valuable by hoarding.

    i dunno. i'm keeping an open mind and waiting for further developments.

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    12-17-2011, 02:39 PM
    (12-17-2011, 03:17 AM)yossarian Wrote: He said that was the plan at the time but then they decided it would be too volatile and they wanted to take a slower but surer and less violent approach

    He spoke with such assurance though. He said it will happen with absolute certainty..he was extremely adamant about it. Something about how they have been working for many many decades to position these people within the network, so they are able to strike when necessary. They gave the power structure an ultimatum..no going back he said. And now, after all that supposed preparation, they changed their minds?

    If you pay attention to conspiracy long enough, you begin to realize that the majority of the claims don't pan out and stories change constantly.

    So the question becomes, how much belief do we invest in claims that are possibly fiction? Is believing in something with such surety only to have it turn out to be fiction, living in reality? One has to be guarded I suppose. I acknowledge conspiracy and that there are genuine people who do provide illuminating information..I'm not knocking effort..but I can't claim to know the truth of all the details. The most I can ever say is "Hmmm, that's interesting."

    So I'm not speaking out against the whole scene. I suppose my issue is how much faith a person puts into specific details. There are certain general things I believe, but most of it is a mystery so I don't get wrapped up in the storyline. People tend to get very worked up, and that's energetically unhealthy. That's succumbing to thought control and serves the negative agenda. The more one gives themselves over to being manipulated through thought, the less influence you have as a co-creator.

    I instead choose to place my faith in knowing that whatever is going on behind the scenes, their plans will not work. There will be martial law in the US? Nope, not happening..we ultimately have control. One world government? Screw that, not on my watch. One has to have firm authority over their own mind.

    Quote:Questioner: In the fourth archetype the card shows a male whose body faces forward. I assume that this indicates that the Experience of the Mind will reach for catalyst. However, the face is to the left which indicates to me that in reaching for catalyst, negative catalyst will be more apparent in its power and effect. Would Ra comment on this?

    Ra: I am Ra. The archetype of Experience of the Mind reaches not, O student, but, with firm authority, grasps what it is given. The remainder of your remarks are perceptive.
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    12-17-2011, 02:48 PM (This post was last modified: 12-18-2011, 02:49 AM by transiten.)
    Like your healthy perspective Icaro!

    Correction made (see Icaros reply below)

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    12-17-2011, 04:34 PM
    (12-17-2011, 02:48 PM)transiten Wrote: Like your heathy perspective Icaro!

    Thanks! As I see it, consciousness encompasses both polarities. As catalyst filters up through the centers, at any one time the mind can swing in either direction. You either have positive control of your consciousness, or you give way to domination. When one hears certain details, do you feel threatened, or does it not matter?

    Quote:The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross.

    Quote:The removal from the mind complex of those thoughts not of harmony is most helpful and those practices which increase faith and will that the spirit may do its work are most helpful.

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    12-17-2011, 04:49 PM
    (12-17-2011, 04:34 PM)Icaro Wrote: As I see it, consciousness encompasses both polarities. As catalyst filters up through the centers, at any one time the mind can swing in either direction. You either have positive control of your consciousness, or you give way to domination. When one hears certain details, do you feel threatened, or does it not matter?

    Quote:The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross.

    Quote:The removal from the mind complex of those thoughts not of harmony is most helpful and those practices which increase faith and will that the spirit may do its work are most helpful.

    Ra said the most common catalyst we have ('among our entities') is in the form of mental and emotional pain (suffering). That's the completely 'unnecessary' type of catalyst which results from being dishonest with oneself, basically. Ra also said that when something one is attached to, like the idea of a person, dies then "a bitterness and impatience, a souring" may ensue. The exact same catalytic dynamic is in operation behind many conspiracy theories. 'Faith and will', being rejected, are replaced with inflated importance on possibilities for victimization due to some form of control and domination. This creates the attachment to idea and loss at the hands of other-self. And so the souring creates opportunity for yet another (lower) level of catalyst which must be overcome before the higher level may be utilized.

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    12-17-2011, 06:24 PM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 08:12 PM by native.)
    (12-17-2011, 04:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Ra said the most common catalyst we have ('among our entities') is in the form of mental and emotional pain (suffering). That's the completely 'unnecessary' type of catalyst which results from being dishonest with oneself, basically. Ra also said that when something one is attached to, like the idea of a person, dies then "a bitterness and impatience, a souring" may ensue. The exact same catalytic dynamic is in operation behind many conspiracy theories. 'Faith and will', being rejected, are replaced with inflated importance on possibilities for victimization due to some form of control and domination. This creates the attachment to idea and loss at the hands of other-self. And so the souring creates opportunity for yet another (lower) level of catalyst which must be overcome before the higher level may be utilized.

    At some point one has to come to terms with victimization and the world situation. The current situation is the result of personal choices. Yes the veil is heavy and has created a lot of difficulty, but it's not until one accepts responsibility for the social dynamic that has been created that we will make some decent strides in evolution.

    The instinct of the spirit is to always place blame on everything outside of one's self. It's part of what "groping in the moonlight" refers to. "Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery."

    The world is evil, everything is everyone else's fault, I play no part in my perception of reality..we grope ourselves..that is, we please and comfort ourselves in whatever way is necessary so that we are always the victim. Yet so much of the downfalls of civilization are a result of personal complacency. At some point one has to recognize the outer reality as having an inner congruency. After all, all of that stuff out there is you anyway. So rather than giving way to control and domination..victim-hood..one must start accepting various truths.

    Quote:The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a Night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator.

    The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, and to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.

    The role of disinformation and conspiracy is to reinforce the idea that we are always being dominated, so we have to be careful how much weight we put behind certain beliefs. It is for the purpose of diminishing the self as being powerless, so that one does not feel responsible..inducing separation..embracing falsity. When one feels separate or powerless from the outer reality, removing any kind of responsibility, one is disconnected from faith and will. This is the "power that is most great."

    We are ultimately in control if it can be realized as such. Our thoughts and attitudes are important.
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    12-17-2011, 06:37 PM (This post was last modified: 12-17-2011, 06:41 PM by Namaste.)
    (12-17-2011, 01:21 PM)haqiqu Wrote:
    (12-17-2011, 09:29 AM)Eddie Wrote: Good perspective from Clif High over at Half Past Human:

    http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

    There is a strong possibility that David is being skilfully manipulated here.

    clif's point was kinda my thoughts, too. if there really is that vast amount of gold that anonymous and wilcock hinted at, then wouldn't the gold be less valuable due to there being so much of it? unless it's made valuable by hoarding.

    i dunno. i'm keeping an open mind and waiting for further developments.

    Heart

    One word: diamonds.

    Abundant, and yet through the control of supply and demand it's cost is maintained at a very high level. One can do the same with gold.

    DW made a rather concise point; "it's the biggest secret, more so than ETs - they have all this gold".

    If one takes the 'public' valuation of gold per ounce, using the false/scarce numbers, that 'hidden' gold then becomes exponentially more valuable to those who own it, especially when used via illegal channels. That gold is not meant to be public knowledge, as that would drop it's value by a colossal margin (hence the death threats).

    That's my take anyway ;¬)
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    12-18-2011, 02:52 AM
    A peaceful Christmas if possible in these turbulent times!

    I for one am going to take my overloaded brain for a vacation.

    And we're in for an interesting 2012 for sure

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    12-18-2011, 03:16 AM (This post was last modified: 12-18-2011, 01:44 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (12-17-2011, 06:24 PM)Icaro Wrote: At some point one has to recognize the outer reality as having an inner congruency. After all, all of that stuff out there is you anyway. So rather than giving way to control and domination..victim-hood..one must start accepting various truths.

    You make some very wise points. If I may offer some further discussion-

    A person is incapable of taking steps toward self-liberation until they are willing to accept the lack of freedom imposed by the external world. Becoming aware that one is a slave to external factors can lead in one of two directions: self-responsibility and victimhood. As you astutely pointed out. But if one is in denial that they are a slave- thinking they are totally "free" to do what they want or that they 100% "create their own reality"- then there is no chance for them to liberate themselves. They are stuck in the sinkhole of indifference. One cannot transcend a limitation until it is acknowledged and accepted. Neither does appeal to 7D conceptions of unity turn slavery into freedom. Even if, at the highest level, one volunteers to become enslaved to other-selves, it doesn't change the fact that they are enslaved here/now at this level.

    All of this projected fear about conspiracy theories is part of the incongruency you previously described. "What if people get the wrong idea?" "What if people panic?" "What if they get hoodwinked by a charismatic leader?" These are all false flags. People already have the wrong idea, they are already panicked, and they are already hoodwinked by charismatic leaders. At the core, fear isn't about what is so, it is about what might become so. It is easy to be fooled into thinking otherwise. Such is the nature of fear, and those who wield it.

    Remember- those who take a fearful approach to life rarely cop to it. Rather they blame others for the fear that they feel inside themselves. Classic denial and projection. In their mind, you are the one who is fearful, and you need to be managed (i.e. controlled), in order to prevent you from "spreading fear" to others, (i.e. themselves). Only problem with this logic is... fear doesn't spread from one person to another like some kind of disease. I can't "make you" feel fear any more than I can "make you" feel love. How you respond to my words and actions is entirely up to you.

    Those who are "against" conspiracy theories feel that they need to control others in order to feel safe within themselves. This is really no different than those at the top of the power pyramid. They, too, feel that they need to control others in order to feel safe within themselves. It always comes down to fear-based thinking "for your own protection" or "for the greater good" or because "father knows best". In other words, total BS.

    So it is a convenient and unspoken alliance for both of those groups to point the finger at those who are simply wanting others to know the truth. They are ready to pounce at the first hint of misinformation and more than willing to launch an all-out character assault at the slightest twinge of immorality or self-serving behavior on the part of the "conspiracy theorist". That way both groups can ensure that there is no real challenge to the status quo and thus perpetuate avoidance of dealing with their own inner fear of change.

    Thusly one finds that no sooner than opening their mouth on a "conspiracy theory" does the frantic attempt to silence them begin. Whether it is simply argumentation and ridicule, or death threats and bullets, is a matter of how far somebody is willing to go to protect themselves from feeling the fear that the "conspiracy theorist" is triggering inside themselves, i.e. however much they perceive that they stand to "lose" if real changes to the status quo start happening. Oh, they are more than happy to talk about change 'til the cows come home, but when it comes to taking action, then starts the grumbling, dragging of heels, and appeals for "more time" before changes begin in earnest. I've got news for these folks- we are "out of time". We are already living within the requested "overtime period" for people to get their inner affairs in order, and that overtime is about to expire. There is more yet to come, but change needs to happen first, and it will be swift.

    Notice how these two groups are the actual sources of the misinformation that gets picked up and propagated by "conspiracy theorists" in the first place. But that is portrayed to be secondary, or glossed over in their scathing indictments of truth-seekers. Notice how the "conspiracy theorist" is held to some unattainable level of investigative standard or uber-morality... but when the mainstream gets caught with their hands down their pants it is "Oops! Sorry! We're all human, ya know!" and then right back to towing the line.



    If you ask me (which nobody did) the real issue here is not a few hoodlums up at the top of the power pyramid, it is the droves of humans who have disowned the fact that they are the ones who put these hoodlums in charge in the first place.

    For example, our "wizened elders" in America are so obsessed with having to feel like they did "The Right Thing" that they would rather see humanity go to nuclear war, or the planet utterly destroyed, than admit that THEY were the ones who sold their children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren out to these hoodlums while blinded by their own self-righteousness and pie-in-the-sky idealism. After all, they believe their mission is to "save the world" and they believe that the "American Dream" is the way to do it. Upholding that belief is so crucial to their supposed "mission from God" they will defend the "American Dream" to the bitter end, and with their last breath blame YOU for destroying it with your "lies and conspiracy theories".

    But don't take my word for it. Watch and see. It is all coming soon to a screen near you. Watch how quick humanity's self-proclaimed saviors turn on their "loved ones" like rabid dogs when it becomes undeniable that "saving the world" doesn't look like they expected it would.
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