What does it FEEL LIKE to contact intelligent energy/intelligent infinity?

[3DMonkey]

Yeah. What I'm saying is that we can call intelligent energy whatever we want because it can't be measured either way. 'Whatever suits your fancy'

Yes, you can subjectively describe it in a variety of ways - which was the question asked in the first place. But "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto", the experiences are pretty much the same and it's a fairly obviously recognizable description. So while you can describe it the way you want, the form of awareness provided is gonna be brain and experiential-nexus interpreted and congruent. No one is that much of an island where they can stay connected and work creatively moment-to-moment. So we have the similar experience of awareness to describe, and that's it. We know what it is, given our nature. Interestingly, Ken Wilber commented that it could only be described from the standpoint of one's current valuing system (which is experiencer's current 'subdensity').

You, of all people, should see that this is one of those "fill in the blank with unconscious bias here" types of rhetoric

[zenmaster]

Yeah. What I'm saying is that we can call intelligent energy whatever we want because it can't be measured either way. 'Whatever suits your fancy'

Yes, you can subjectively describe it in a variety of ways - which was the question asked in the first place. But "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto", the experiences are pretty much the same and it's a fairly obviously recognizable description. So while you can describe it the way you want, the form of awareness provided is gonna be brain and experiential-nexus interpreted and congruent. No one is that much of an island where they can stay connected and work creatively moment-to-moment. So we have the similar experience of awareness to describe, and that's it. We know what it is, given our nature. Interestingly, Ken Wilber commented that it could only be described from the standpoint of one's current valuing system (which is experiencer's current 'subdensity').

You, of all people, should see that this is one of those "fill in the blank with unconscious bias here" types of rhetoric

Misunderstanding here. Wasn't going to get into an explanation, but the idea is that the subdensities map to the vMemes. Along with that is the idea that one can contact intelligent infinity/energy in any vMeme. But "We are usually not able to activate a level without being competent at previous levels. We can have brief ‘peak experiences’ of higher levels, but we inevitably slip back to our base level (Integral Psychology, Wilber 2000). Graves stressed, however, that the progression through the levels was an inter-dependent process rather than a linear one (Beck & Cowan 1996)." (http://www.vmacgill.net/paper.htm)

"...when one has a peak experience of a higher state of consciousness, it will necessarily be interpreted through the dominant lens (i.e., vMeme or developmental level). When one returns to everyday consciousness, the peak state, no matter how spectacular, can only be understood within the context of the current worldview. So, for example, when a person whose center of gravity is in the Blue vMeme (e.g., a devout Catholic) has an experience of nondual consciousness during a session of centering prayer, s/he will almost certainly experience that state of consciousness as a union with his/her notion of God (think Saint Theresa of Avila)."
(http://integral-options.blogspot.com/200...rchive.htm)

So even though the experience is necessarily ineffable, there will be some kind of a personal meaning for the experience, which may be explained according to one's worldview (vMeme/subdensity).

The question was "What does it FEEL LIKE". I took that to mean what does the change in personal awareness suggest? There no balance here with respect to awareness, there is action and motion according to attention and feedback. So we tend to move from one conscious state to another here. These states can indeed be described according to the perceived contrast from some other state (typically the average state of awareness).

So although one may know that each state is necessarily unfolding from intelligent infinity, one's conscious awareness is obviously NOT able to appreciate this in actuality - even with a strong sense of presence. I could be wrong, but it seems rather clear that the question was not intended to ask one's opinion of potentials. To me your answer does not seem appropriate in this context.

[3DMonkey]

So although one may know that each state is necessarily unfolding from intelligent infinity, one's conscious awareness is obviously NOT able to appreciate this in actuality - even with a strong sense of presence. I could be wrong, but it seems rather clear that the question was not intended to ask one's opinion of potentials. To me your answer does not seem appropriate in this context.

My answer is that it doesn't feel like anything because it is a make believe idea. So, if someone wants to call something "contacting intelligent energy" it is only because they want to call something they are feeling by a special name. This is the simple way to say everything you just said, and read.

[Unbound]

So what isn't a "make believe idea"?

[3DMonkey]

So what isn't a "make believe idea"?

I can't think of anything

[Unbound]

I wonder if you understand how profound that statement is, aha.

[Shin'Ar]

I wonder if you understand how profound that statement is, aha.

Verrrrry Funnnnny!!

[godwide_void]

Azrael, it's funny that you posted the image of the lemniscate as I'd been pondering on it for quite some time now and have came to one interpretation of the symbol of infinity in relation to the movement back towards the Creator. As you pointed out, one may view the symbol as two circles being pinched at the point where they meet. Take the central point where they meet and let us view that as Intelligent Infinity. Now, add 8 lines going along the circle, and 8 lines along the right. It should look something like this:



The significance of those lines is best understood when they are seen as representing densities 1-8. I believe that the lemniscate depicts two octaves of Creation, given that the end of one cycle of Creation signifies the beginning of the next (Ra states that 8D is effectively 1D in the next octave). Now if this were so, then why did I not just choose to name the intersecting point of the symbol 1D/8D? It is because beneath the underlying densities there exists a force which is responsible for giving rise to them in the first place. It may be assumed that when the 8D line is passed and the central starting/ending point is hit once more, that all experienceand knowledge accumulated from that particular octave of experience will carry over into the next octave. Thus the movement of Creation is indeed as a figure eight but the view of it should be seen as Azrael stated.

As for how it feels like to contact Intelligent Infinity? Hmm... timelessness. Absolute loss of any sense of self, becoming unable to distinguish between your beingness and the encompassing void. The mental perception of ones mind becoming vast and oceanic. Impossible, intricate geometric patterns coalescing and expanding eternally outwards but at the same time accompanied by this profound sense of immense stillness. Perceptual awareness that is omni-directional. Unfortunately no words in our density, going beyond just our language, can never accurately describe it. In fact, what I'm describing may not even be what one would consider "contacting intelligent infinity" but is my description of my own experience of being shown the 8th Density.

In my day-to-day life however I do have this all-pervading feeling that I have been granted access to this abyssmal pool of energy that is constantly at work providing an additional hand/resources with which to manifest from. The Ra quote "The entity who seeks the Infinite Creator is one with infinite intelligence" springs to mind, as it feels that ever since I began to consciously seek and became wholely aware that I learn in the ways of the Law of One, I have been receiving unknown assistance in nearly every facet of life. Perhaps we are always in constant contact with Intelligent Infinity, and the mere act of existing is how it feels.

[Shin'Ar]

On that note I would like to ask you all exactly what you believe it means to 'make contact' with Intelligent Infinity.

When we speak of contact, exactly what sort of contact are we thinking about?

[godwide_void]

I take it as referring to any sort of non-ordinary experience which is typically beyond the scope of what is considered possible for the 3D-entrapped soul where a macrocosmic bleedthrough occurs. Essentially, any instance of a 3D being achieving permeation of the veil in both awareness and beingness and attaining experiential knowledge that otherwise would not have been obtained in consensus reality. In layman's terms, I would say that those mystical experiences which involve "seeing God", "hearing God", "merging with God", or the one experience I constantly mention and describe of 'beatific vision', which is defined as unfiltered perception of the image of the Creator all would serve as basic examples of "contacting Intelligent Infinity".

What usually entails is an amplified influx of creative energy into the field of consciousness of the one who underwent such experiences or a more pronounced sense of a divine presence, beginning some time after contact is established, and lingers for the remainder of one's life, at least in my case.

[Shin'Ar]

Godwide that is a pretty inclusive definition. That covers everything from having a rush, to actually seeing God.

Maybe I should ask it this way.

What is it that one would discover in a 'contact with Inteligent Infinity'?

[godwide_void]

One would discover that all that we study here is not mere speculation. One would discover that one's entire existence is not the absolute definition of who one truly is, that the 'reality' which surrounds us is not the be-all, end-all to things. I admit, I'm having a tough time coming up with an answer that I may be satisfied with and that doesn't compartmentalize such an ineffable experience and all that correlates with it. If I may, I would like to turn the same question back to you.

What would you consider to be the "correct" set of circumstances which comprises the experience of "contacting Intelligent Infinity" and what do you feel would be subsequently discovered?

[Shin'Ar]

Well, I did answer that in a previous post above Godwide, which is what compelled me to ask the question.

IMO, I think that what most of you are speaking of as contact with Intelligent Infinity is actually contact with Intelligent Energy. this is quite different than Intelligent Infinity.

As I understand the teaching of Ra, Intelligent Infinity is what I call The Source. It would be what most would call the First Thought. I also often refer to it as the Infinite Spirit or the Light. It is the point of origin of all that exists, the tail which the head of the serpent is latching onto in the Ouroboros. And it is as incomprehensible to the consciousness as is our first breath.

As long as existecne continues contact with that entity remains elusive. That is the essense of its infinite state of being; having neither beginning nor end. When such contact is made the infinite becomes finite. The beginning ends. Such contact will be the One finally becoming One with itself, and polarity will cease to be. And this is the direction in which the universe is designed to travel.

Now contact with Intelligent Energy, the manifestation of the Intelligent Infinity, takes place throughout all of creation at all times, and is the essense of what the consciousness realizes as existence.

[Steppingfeet]

What does it FEEL LIKE to contact intelligent energy/intelligent infinity?

It feels just like this!

Brilliant response! I mean that sincerely.

[Shin'Ar]

What does it FEEL LIKE to contact intelligent energy/intelligent infinity?

It feels just like this!

Brilliant response! I mean that sincerely.

Deep, huh! But I AM, and so this is it! In the moment! Right here and now!And everywhere.

[zenmaster]

That's exactly what 3DM said.

[Shin'Ar]

That's exactly what 3DM said.

The guys who make the autobody tape?

[Patrick]

I constantly feel pressure on my forehead and energy swirling around my head. In other words the third-eye and the crown. What I experience is a profound intuition. This intuition is highlighting the path before me. The path that my self is walking. Not always useful to my other-selves.

Just filtering all information I come across through this intuition results in great catalysts.

Last night, I was visited again by negative entities and I called in the undistorted love/light of the One Infinite Creator to surround me. The answer overwhelmed me at first. I could feel an energy turning around me extremely fast and going faster. I felt the vibrations starting to increase and I thought that this was probably markabah.

As soon as I thought that I was not ready, it started to decline. But then I was kind of alternating in between our current illusion and something else. From this state, some fear crept into the experience and this quickly made the markabah start again but the other way. I managed to remain calm and stop the whole process.

All of it was very interesting, but clearly there is still some fear inside of me that I did not manage to clear yet and this seems to prevent a fully conscious contact with intelligent infinity.

Anyway, that's how this contact feels like to me.

[Wander-Man]

IMO, I think that what most of you are speaking of as contact with Intelligent Infinity is actually contact with Intelligent Energy. this is quite different than Intelligent Infinity.

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

Is penetrating intelligent infinity > contact with intelligent infinity?:

Penetrate
1.
to pierce or pass into or through
2.
to enter the interior of:
3.
to enter and diffuse itself through; permeate.


Contact
1.
the act or state of touching; a touching or meeting, as of two things or people.
2.
immediate proximity or association.


---

In regards to what it feels like to contact Intelligent Infinity:

Again, the violet emanation is, in this context, a resource from which, through indigo, intelligent infinity may be contacted. The radiation thereof will not be violet ray but rather green, blue, or indigo depending upon the nature of the type of intelligence which infinity has brought through into discernible energy.

The green ray type of radiation in this case is the healing, the blue ray the communication and inspiration, the indigo that energy of the adept which has its place in faith.

[3DMonkey]

"reach out. Touch faith. Your own personal Jesus" - depeche mode

[Oceania]

classy.

[Ankh]

80.22 Questioner: Then by this contact also with intelligent energy can you give me an example of what this would be for both the contact with intelligent infinity and the contact with intelligent energy? Could you give me an example of what type of experience this would result in, if that is at all possible?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last query of this working of full length. We have discussed the possibilities of contact with intelligent energy, for this energy is the energy of the Logos, and thus it is the energy which heals, builds, removes, destroys, and transforms all other-selves as well as the self.

The contact with intelligent infinity is most likely to produce an unspeakable joy in the entity experiencing such contact. If you wish to query in more detail upon this subject, we invite you to do so in another working. Is there a brief query before we close this working?

[Ashim]

When all 6 petals of the crown chakra are fully open there is a feeling of bliss that transcends any earthly concept of boredom.
The sensation is similar to being 'wired' - pressure on the crown, like a rod of light going all the way up to the One Infinite Creator.
In fact it feels like having a post stuck in your head.
When accessing information these downloads are conceptuated at a terrific rate. It initially 'boggles' the mind.
The upgrades then 'drip down' into the 3rd density body mind spirit complex. There are moments of great recognition and understanding.
There are many other ways of contacting and working with infinite energy whilst on the various stepping stones of the life experience.

[Cyan]

My experience: Extremely painful.

[Shin'Ar]

There should be a distinction made between contact and being, as well as between Intelligent Infinity and Intelligent Energy.

Making a connection with Intelligent Infinity involves working with the natural processes of sharing information upon which the universe is based; fields of consciousness. So in this sense we make 'contact'. But we never actually become Intelligent Infinity in the sense that our fragnmentism ends and we literally become that Infinite Being or Source. If that were possible, infinity would no longer be infinite, and the design of the universe would no longer be a continuing creation.

Intelligent Energy is the sacred fire that dances within the form of every creation. It is the One Consciousness that provides the energy behind all existence. It is the magical essence of the universe. This we make contact with at all times just by being. And we can make that connection in varying degrees of energetic power based upon our individual enhancements.

But there is no contacting Intelligent Infinity in any sense that we become Intelligent Infinity. This is something that we must learn to understand as we begin to comprehend the One and the All.

[TheInfinite1]

Contacting Intelligent Infinity means there is a brief, or for the more advanced adept prolonged, period of time where the entity is appropriately balanced or less distorted enough to align to the state of the pure essence of the One Infinite Creator - which is Love. Thus, realizing the connection to both earthly and cosmic energies or Creator to Creator (Love to Love). From a chakra stand-point this connection is the unblocking and balancing of the energy ray centers.



We must remember that the unblocked energy center is done so by acceptance and Love. Your essence is Love and when you are inline/in tune/vibrating to this pure vibratory rate in a wholesome manner you are balanced or as Ra states "flawless". Thus, why Ra states the appropriate response to a situation be compassion and love as the balanced entity is not distorted from its essence or pure motion (Love).


The feeling, to me, feels like pure ecstasy. When there is the most connective moment there is a feeling of unity, boundlessness, and love. It is in this state that I see in a conscious manner, and in the present moment, the infinite possibilities that are accessible and a potential.

I would say the hardest part to realizing this divine connection, that is ironically always there in potentiation, is the realization of anything being possible and manifest-able in the present moment from the self by realization of self as not just the microcosm but as the macrocosm. Not only is love and acceptance of importance but so is faith by way of listening to the heart.


This is my understanding and realization of such contact. As I've found unblocking all energy centers requires acceptance and love.

E.g. The acceptance and love of experience. (Red)

The acceptance and love of the self. (Orange)

The acceptance and love of other-selves. (Yellow)

The acceptance and love for the self in expressing of love to other-selves. (Green)

The love and acceptance of received communication from
other-selves <-> The love and acceptance of the self's desired communication (accepting the selfs spoken truth so that the recieved consequences/communication is loved and accepted). (Blue)

The love and acceptance of the self as the whole self (One Infinite Creator). (Indigo)



When an entity is literally Love they are balanced. The hardest blockages as I said before was green, blue, and indigo for me. The indigo ray took much work as it was faith and awakening to infinity within myself and outside of myself that truly kept me from making a conscious connection.

[Patrick]

I am currently working in indigo ray with partial blockages. But thanks to the fine people around here, I am slowly connecting ever more with infinite love/acceptance.

For me, the feeling is awareness that your experiences are sacramental. All stress falls away and all is beauty in its current state. You do not feel a need to change anything.

I can only stay in this state for a couple hours every week. But these periods are lengthening.

[AnthroHeart]

I've felt the sacramental nature of things for seconds at a time. Never really hours. But I'm making sure I don't progress too quickly, because then I'm inundated with all sorts of psychic greetings, both positive and negative.

[johnnylightworker]

I've felt the sacramental nature of things for seconds at a time. Never really hours. But I'm making sure I don't progress too quickly, because then I'm inundated with all sorts of psychic greetings, both positive and negative.

...here come the voices again. I just wish they'd get into a single file line and not talk over each other. Sheesh, I can only please one voice a minute.

[AnthroHeart]

Since I've been on psych meds, I haven't had any of the greetings. It used to be out of my control. I actually never heard voices, but I have hallucinated visuals. Every time I did hallucinate a visual, it was something beautiful. The negative was mostly thought forms, in terms of my reasoning. The meds certainly keep me grounded.