Name something you think wouldn't exist if the veil weren't in place

[Lavazza]

Lets see...

Scientology
Breast Implants
Guns

to name a few A related question: Are you sure this is one of the first worlds the veil was used on? My understanding was that this was one of the irst Logoi (galaxies). I suspect most all of the 3rd density worlds that are as far out or farther out from the galactic core as we are are also veiled.

[Ankh]

Seems to me to imply that without there veil there might not be Monogamy!

I am not sure. In fourth and fifth densities there are still mated relationships. Then, whether these are monogamous or not, it is not said, but folks over there do have a mate.

In veiled third density, I guess that it is difficult to reach the heart center in the most intimate and opening up moment - the sexual union with another self.

I would also imagine that native third density entities, when approaching harvestability would incarnate in those mated constellations that have worked out best in previous incarnations, in order to help each other to graduate.

[Meerie]

the veil

[LsavedSmeD]

The decision to serve another out of love, compassion, and faith.

[Shin'Ar]

Gemini is really the closest that got to what I would say is my answer. Does that surprise you GWV? lol (gemini)

I would have to answer symbols and code which is the true basis for all of the religion that has been the core of most of the civilized world. And it was these secrets that most of the Mystery Schools protected for many generations.

The consciousness is not so much inflicted with a veil of amnesia from some outer imposer, as it is self inflicted by our own spiritual detachment. In becoming engrossed in the physical so much so that we annihilate our spiritual awareness we create our own amnesia. The pineal gland has become lethargic. The Sacred Flame barely flickers.

Let us remember that, as GWV questioned Ankh about, this does not mean that just because we manage to awaken that fire within and begin to relearn how to use our psychic (higher) abilities, that we suddenly know all and become all. This does not bring us to some fruition of the cosmic design. It just brings us another step forward. The design of the One Consciousness experiencing creation through fragmented consciousnesses and the interaction and mating of those gazillions of fields, acting in their holographic/frequency reality, will continue far into the vastness of infinite future.

[godwide_void]

All very good answers. Yes, Mystery Schools especially, the necessity for codes and secrets to hide or decipher would fade if the mystery was no longer a cloaked one.

The consciousness is not so much inflicted with a veil of amnesia from some outer imposer, as it is self inflicted by our own spiritual detachment. In becoming engrossed in the physical so much so that we annihilate our spiritual awareness we create our own amnesia. The pineal gland has become lethargic. The Sacred Flame barely flickers.

Let us remember that, as GWV questioned Ankh about, this does not mean that just because we manage to awaken that fire within and begin to relearn how to use our psychic (higher) abilities, that we suddenly know all and become all. This does not bring us to some fruition of the cosmic design. It just brings us another step forward. The design of the One Consciousness experiencing creation through fragmented consciousnesses and the interaction and mating of those gazillions of fields, acting in their holographic/frequency reality, will continue far into the vastness of infinite future.

Well initially when incarnated into this place, we are immediately under the spell of the veil. The veil is only sustained, however, on our own accord as you pointed out Shin'Ar. The more one's focus is upon the material world, the more malnourished the neglected spirit becomes. Ingesting massive amounts of fluoride thereby messing with the pineal gland's functioning and consuming excessive quantities of alcohol and it becomes no surprise at all when it appears that absolutely no higher connection can be made, which you perfectly stated.

Pursuing 'enlightenment', attaining it, and integrating it, does not exempt one from the fact that it is only but a fraction of what truly is, there is always more to learn/remember, this being quite self-evident considering that everyday we learn something new, more speculations are made, more questions asked despite all of us being aware of this common truth. Penetrating the veil doesn't equate to completely abolishing it. It requires constant maintenance to ensure that the tear in the veil keeps growing. Remaining imbued with infinite intelligence can only be so long as one diligently undertakes the responsibility to never turn away from the far-off truth and instead seek it by never losing oneself to the maya of this world.

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As for another thing that wouldn't exist without the veil, the "7 deadly sins": wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. Well, there still might be lust and pride and gluttony to some extent, but the others I'm sure would not be. Prisons also wouldn't exist, since it'd be pretty impossible to imprison self-aware Creators as well as there being no need for imprisonment assuming that no crimes would ever be committed.

[@ndy]

Churches.. Or religious stuff. This may have been said but I din't read cause it eould have been cheeting

[Steppingfeet]

The development of will and faith
Hubble telescope
Politics
No decimation of North and South Native American culture
Scarcity
Monarchs
Law?
Great sex

[Patrick]

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Great sex

Not so sure about that last one.

Could you elaborate?

[Bring4th_Austin]

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Great sex

Not so sure about that last one.

Could you elaborate?

That one made me think for a moment Gary!

83.3
Let us, as an example, choose your sexual activities of energy transfer. If you have a desire to treat other subjects in detail please query forthwith. In the instance of the sexual activity of those not dwelling within the veiling each activity was a transfer. There were some transfers of strength. Most were rather attenuated in the strength of the transfer due to the lack of veiling.

In the third density entities are attempting to learn the ways of love. If it can be seen that all are one being it becomes much more difficult for the undisciplined personality to choose one mate and, thereby, initiate itself into a program of service. It is much more likely that the sexual energy will be dissipated more randomly without either great joy or great sorrow depending from these experiences.

Therefore, the green-ray energy transfer, being almost without exception the case in sexual energy transfer prior to veiling, remains weakened and without significant crystallization. The sexual energy transfers and blockages after veiling have been discussed previously. It may be seen to be a more complex study but one far more efficient in crystallizing those who seek the green-ray energy center.

There's also the factor of being veiled, and then being offered that one taste of the Creator through intense intimacy...when not veiled, everything seems of the Creator, so it's nothing "special." In this case, being without makes being with so much better.

[abstrktion]

After the veiling process it became infinitely more difficult to achieve green-ray energy transfer due to the great areas of mystery and unknowing concerning the body complex and its manifestations. However, also due to the great shadowing of the manifestations of the body from the conscious mind complex, when such energy transfer was experienced it was likelier to provide catalyst which caused a bonding of self with other-self in a properly polarized configuration.

From this point it was far more likely that higher energy transfers would be sought by this mated pair of mind/body/spirit complexes, thus allowing the Creator to know Itself with great beauty, solemnity, and wonder. Intelligent infinity having been reached by this sacramental use of this function of the body, each mind/body/spirit complex of the mated pair gained greatly in polarization and in ability to serve.

This was the first thing I thought of--which made me think that marriage wouldn't exist.

Most importantly--we wouldn't have developed enough interest to really work at mastering the physical world, which was the next phase of evolution for us. We had to be cut off so that we'd focus on "here" and not just throw ourselves off a cliff when we didn't feel like "playing" anymore, or just to see what it was like. I think I read somewhere that humans were even given alcoholic beverages and meat to eat to make them more carnal, physical, so they could develop their capacities in that area fully and completely. Now the challenge is to move past that, leaving the physical world behind, a conquered territory, not a partially explored wilderness.

[Patrick]

...Now the challenge is to move past that, leaving the physical world behind, a conquered territory, not an partially explored wilderness.

I like that way of seeing it.

[Steppingfeet]

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Great sex

Not so sure about that last one.

Could you elaborate?

Austin nailed the perfect Ra quote for this one in Post #40. To that I would submit this Q&A concerning blissful carefree life before the veil:

82.22 Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirits at that time? Why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Regarding the monogamy question, I wouldn't mind it if the veiled thinned just a little on that one, kind of like the ozone having a weakened area.

[Steppingfeet]

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Great sex

Not so sure about that last one.

Could you elaborate?

Austin nailed the perfect Ra quote relevant to this idea. To that I'll add this excerpt regarding life before the veil:

82.2282.22 Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirits at that time? Why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

I wouldn't mind it if the veiled thinned on the monogamy question. If nothing but for greater illumination/understanding in that area....

[Meerie]

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Great sex

Not so sure about that last one.

Could you elaborate?

Austin nailed the perfect Ra quote relevant to this idea.

Lol

[Ankh]

I wouldn't mind it if the veiled thinned on the monogamy question. If nothing but for greater illumination/understanding in that area....

You mean: you wouldn't mind if the veil thinned in order to understand monogamy? (<---- psst! plenum! New thread here! )

[Plenum]

obviously, without the Veil, such verbal misunderstandings such as this would not be possible:

[3DMonkey]

obviously, without the Veil, such verbal misunderstandings such as this would not be possible:

lol, I don't see the misunderstanding though. He clearly is telling her to get lost

[Lulu]

Really good question to ponder...

Before I went through my "awakening" (sorry...but for lack of a better word), I appreciated ALL contrast and ALL that is any product of creating life. Therefore I saw through to all perspectives and all happenings as being valuable to continuing and contributing to all that causes more life through creating desires.

Harsh music was a valuable expression of suppression. Obesity, ignorance and sexual perversions are obvious examples of additional suppressions. All and so much more are a product of contrast of which creates greater desires, which then calls in more life. A seed must seek the sun, for the plant to grow, therefore it must be placed in soil.

From my view then: someone such as Hitler provides an extremely valuable expansive roll in the universe --who knows, I thought, maybe prior to this he was someone considered honorable like Ghandi or another similar type. A martyr in his last life and in (karmic) frustration expanded into powers of revenge because his method was simply unacknowledged and abused.

However... after my "awakening" experiences, though I can obviously "understand" that concept and how it benefits all for the greater good Eventually--I don't like it at all! I don't like that there are those who seek food and water in brutal environments with no foot protection while pregnant and carrying another child, or those who are used innocently for war by religious/political powers that run rampant, or those who would mutilate or sell their own children for their own attempt at survival. There are endless horrific examples, I won't go on.

I would LIKE to imagine that we could rise into a higher LEVEL of contrast, THAT IS IF we wish to continue in dense physical forms.

In a higher level, everyone has needs met and it's about what do I do that I love most? Do I create my own home or be an entertainer, which one is more satisfying to me? Is there any contrast in that if there is no struggle or is there stuggle simply because we will ALWAYS have and SEEK new desires? Or, as in my case--do nearly all our desires diminish when the veil is gone and leave us Longing FOR desires themselves thus beginning slowly, another round of creation.

Can OUR energy itself be content to be in spirit? Can we, in our natural karmic longing of our pasts, be the next entity who possesses and/or "guides" other NEXT physical forms from dimensions beyond?

Rather then expound our physical world into More horrific hells and control Contrasting with More false beauty and stuff (think Hunger Games) can't we move into a Deeper more profound level of contrast that could still Serve LIFE but in another way? Is that possible or must the extremes broaden? Is there a way to not neutralize existence but have a physical form as well and one with basic needs being met, without violating others--or do we even desire that? It seems to me that on a SOUL level or shall I say a real Source or true CREATOR level we simply must be asking for that as a collective.

It seems that from the non-physical realms many spirits are powerfully longing to engage in our existence. Why is that?? What is the value to them of being "alive" in US, in this form we walk about in? Why do they want it, is it so that they have something to do, a purpose? What will we miss out on if we neutralize as a species? Is this what happened to the greys? Do we long to Help others from our spirit self, even now as we are non-integrated in our physical or do we long to be in Physical forms --eating, having sex, feeling the sun warm our skin, feeling emotions of pain and joy. What indeed, is the value??

Lulu

--on a tangent... lol

[Cyan]

Is a good tanget to be on Lulu.

[Charles]

Hello, I've only just joined this group. Hope to get to know many of you.

@godwide_viod: I'm only on page one so far, and you seem to be unhappy about some of the responses you've received so far from your query:
"Name something you think wouldn't exist if the veil weren't in place?"

You say "True answers ….. but disheartening. I probably should've foreseen that there probably won't be too many positive answers to this question in this thread"

Well, maybe that's because it's a negative question, maybe you may also ask "What would exist if the veil weren't in place?"

@yossarian: Of course we'll have free will, why do you think not? Free to study truth, and free to create music and art and travel, free to be social or to be alone, free to rest, and free to be active, free to teach or to learn. Growth doesn't end when the veil is lifted, we are dealing with eternity you know. A different sort of growth is all.

And now I've read all the pages.

So many of you seem to be convinced that there will be no sex.
I think that depends what you mean by "sex." If you mean human bodies, then no probably not, and androgyny will be normal (though we may appear as light or color, or as a frog, or a human of either sex. or lightening, or fish, or smoke . . . or . . . ) . . . . . . .

But if you mean orgasms, then certainly, of course! We Are One. That's what an orgasm is, when two bodies unite as one, that moment of gasping pleasure is That One's way of giving us a tease, a small fast taste of the joy of becoming One. Without the veil, we may decide upon the music or sound we choose (we are already co-creators, and mastering that ability will be part of our learning), and I may allow my vibration to mingle with your vibration, and the orgasm will be as long as we like. Two are not necessary, we can do this in small groups or in crowds. After all, we will all love each other, certainly.

[Plenum]

great post Charles!

you express yourself very well. Look forward to reading more from you

So many of you seem to be convinced that there will be no sex.
I think that depends what you mean by "sex." If you mean human bodies, then no probably not, and androgyny will be normal (though we may appear as light or color, or as a frog, or a human of either sex. or lightening, or fish, or smoke . . . or . . . ) . . . . . . .

But if you mean orgasms, then certainly, of course! We Are One. That's what an orgasm is, when two bodies unite as one, that moment of gasping pleasure is That One's way of giving us a tease, a small fast taste of the joy of becoming One. Without the veil, we may decide upon the music or sound we choose (we are already co-creators, and mastering that ability will be part of our learning), and I may allow my vibration to mingle with your vibration, and the orgasm will be as long as we like. Two are not necessary, we can do this in small groups or in crowds. After all, we will all love each other, certainly.

I think there will always be sharing of energies. Some may call this 'sex', others may call it 'fusion'.

[godwide_void]

Hello, I've only just joined this group. Hope to get to know many of you.

@godwide_viod: I'm only on page one so far, and you seem to be unhappy about some of the responses you've received so far from your query:
"Name something you think wouldn't exist if the veil weren't in place?"

You say "True answers ….. but disheartening. I probably should've foreseen that there probably won't be too many positive answers to this question in this thread"

Well, maybe that's because it's a negative question, maybe you may also ask "What would exist if the veil weren't in place?"

Do you mean a negative question in the sense that it speculates given the assumption of non-existence of a thing? I also don't subscribe to the stance I did when I created that post as from this allegedly "negative" question were begotten quite a variety of "positive" answers, in a conveyance of transmutation of dark to light, an interspersing of polarity one might say. Though I hope that you'd read the entire thread and realized that your observation becomes subject to complete change beyond the first page.

Welcome to the forums, by the way Charles.

[Charles]

Oh godwide_void, I think I feel your annoyance, and it wasn't intended. Truly sorry.

By negative, I refer to "wouldn't" and "weren't".
We need be careful how we put things, because our minds manifest and it matters.

If you want to "stop war," for instance, it is better for all of us to be strongly For Peace. Being Anti War is not such a fine energy, in fact it's confrontational.

For peace is two positives, and anti war is two negatives. Negative energy is heavy and slow, and the cabal love it. Positive energy is light and fast, and our Earth needs that.

You want to "quit smoking," then re-think your thoughts and decide to "breath only fresh air." You want to "loose weight", then re-think that and decide to "enjoy the wisdom of eating healthy foods."

That's what I meant.
Sincerely nothing personal, I've only just arrived, and I'd rather make friends.

[godwide_void]

No, there's no annoyance whatsoever! You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about, don't worry. Yes, I figured as much in regards to your usage of the term. I also am in wholehearted agreement with what you stated above. Darkness or negativity need only to be transfigured into its direct polar opposite. The most efficient course of action in relation to a negative thought which has arisen is to substitute that thought with its inverse, usually the positively polarized antithesis to it. Rather than think "It's a gloomy day" when it rains it might be more fruitful and uplifting to instead think "The rain is adding a beautiful touch to the day" and one can muse on the divine essence dwelling within each rain drop if one so wishes to. I do believe that we see eye to eye on this.

Rest assured also, that this is a place abundant in acceptance, compassion and understanding. You'll soon find yourself immersed in the throes of harmony which this community excels at collectively radiating. Thus, once more I say to you, warm welcome, my friend. Hope you enjoy it here.

[Cyan]

The wish to be immortal. Because I cant imagine a post-veil entity wanting anything to do with the concept of immortality. What time i've had beyond the veil I've become relatively sure that I will be glad if and when time actually has an end and existence and observation ends entirely.

[Lulu]

Oh Cyan, I bet it wouldn't exist because it seems the intended purpose of immortality was to be able to KEEP the knowledge that was gained from each lifetime (so that one doesn't have to come back and start over again and again unknowledgeable).

What were your experiences beyond the veil that you don't want to continue? I wonder if that exists, is a black hole where time and observation ends?
Lulu

[Charles]

Cyan said:
The wish to be immortal. Because I cant imagine a post-veil entity wanting anything to do with the concept of immortality. What time i've had beyond the veil I've become relatively sure that I will be glad if and when time actually has an end and existence and observation ends entirely.

When the veil is lifted, and we remember what we have forgotten, we realize that we are immortal. You may be right that "the wish to be immortal" may not exist, because we don't wish for what we have.

People here and now on this earth don't "wish they have a body" or "wish that water was wet" . . . . because those are given.

I share Lulu's question for you: "What were your experiences beyond the veil that you don't want to continue?" And I would add "where, when, how, what, & why" were these experiences possible?

[Ankh]

The Choice.

[Cyan]

The Choice.

Free Will

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The Choice.

Free Will

Also, the Movie Free Willy -Ra =D