He Who Was Not

[Shin'Ar]

Why all the worry? If an asteroid plummets to the Earth, obviously I'll either die instantly, or experience some kind of horrible, agonizing pain and then see what the world is like, or I could just go in to Godmode and be like "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" to the asteroid, and it shall be so.

Azrael, are you publicly stating here that you have the power to stop an asteroid strike if you so choose?

Also, I am making considerable effort on my Word program to respond to this post in great detail to make your effort worthy of full consideration. I would ask of you not to delete this thread or post in the meantime as it would make my effort a grand waste of time. I say this because I have noticed that you are prone to making changes under some inner drive to relate to your field in various ways.

Please allow this thread enough time to be considered by those of us who value your speculations and use them to enhance and invigorate our own thought processes.

I apologize for the delay in my response but I am trying to be thorough.

[Patrick]

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Azrael, are you publicly stating here that you have the power to stop an asteroid strike if you so choose?
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Are you saying that you don't ?!

[Shin'Ar]

Thank you for viewing these words,... I wish you all well, and I hope our interactions all deepen, deepest blessings, shanti, adonai.

Dearest Azrael,
We are One Being sharing our fields of experience, and as such my love for you is greater than you realize. It is as though One Person chose to proceed into existence under one identity for the purpose of creating life via that experience, and then at the same time also chose to proceed into another experience created by the choices and decision made as another unique identity.

In essence, The One is living two completely different personalities, and yet is still One Person.
You know this and try, with great difficulty, to express it, as does each and every one of those personalities/experiences from spacedust to stone to water to human to planetary body to each and every aspect of being. Although each being will have varying degrees of perceptive awareness of its being.

Having said this I want you to understand that I have no intention of criticizing your efforts or imposing my own upon you or any reader, and that I rarely direct my speculations toward anyone in particular. Even when it seems as though it might point to you, or to someone in particular, it is most often just my inability to properly articulate my intentions. Unless it is very obviously stated that I mean one in particular, my statements should never be taken personally, as they are most always meant in generality.

What I attempt to do here is offer my thoughts about your thoughts, and that is what is supposed to take place in the sharing of thoughts. It is never a one way process. Offense then should never be taken.
Of course each can choose to believe that I am arrogantly imposing and viewing my understanding as somehow higher than yours. But if you choose to do so, you are not accurate in your understanding of my intent. And if you choose to do so despite my loving attempt to relay that to you, than I would suggest that arrogance may be coming from the other direction.

Even stating this sounds arrogant as I read it back to myself but I only want to avoid my words being taken personally as they so often are here in this community. I cherish the opportunity for these discussions and only offer my thoughts as does each one of you.

For those who choose to accept my words as sincere, and choose to read my response thoroughly, I offer a great blessing in ending.

I am the Creator and the Created, the Generator and the Generated, the Dreamer and the Dream, Truth and Beauty. I am one of many, and many of one. I exist together with manyness in my oneness, and my oneness in manyness. I am a substratum of We, and We are a substratum of All, thus, We are I's.

This is the first identification, the One, the Monad, the fact of the individual. The I AM that I AM that many like to refer to it as.

I think what you are trying to say here is that The Source of Creation, and All which It has created, are one in the same.

Consider, thus, that each Monad stems from its own Monad. Each One from a One. Thus is the cyclic nature which may be observed. This is the pro-creation, or really just, creation, of the Creator. The Monad, is the reflection, or child, of the higher One, the Creator.

There is also the Architect, which is the communicator between all Ones, all Monads, all of the Creator. It can perhaps be thought of as the functional intelligence of the Creator, and thus also the fundamental nature of the intelligence of the Monads.

If we can think of the monad as being an individual thought of the Creator, I think that what you are trying to say here is that there is not much difference between the thought/monad itself, and the process of intelligently discerning such thought. Intelligence exists in the process because it is also the origin of the process. A thought proceeding from intelligence must be intelligent in its procession.

The Bodies which we see here are part of a phase in the cyclic from a One to a One. That is, we are the process of the Monad first coming in to existence, and then coming in to awareness of the Creator, and in mutual awareness, there is Unity.

Yes, Yes! We are the Process of Being, the process of the monad/thought. Your temporary being is beginning to comprehend the reality of its field/process.

Unity is Love, the mechanisms of awareness meeting awareness, of consciousness becoming conscious. Within Unity lies the pulse, the vibe, the cosmic ripple which slowly urges all of the Creations onwards. It is through Unity that the Universe breaths, and breath is life, and life, is Love.

Your field is trying desperately to relay to your temporary identity the understanding of harmony and sacred flame. I would say that Unity/Harmony is realized in the expression of love, which is one form of interaction between fields. Hatred is another interaction which can be expressed as well but will not result in harmony. And this reality of choice of expression is what you are trying to articulate as the Plans of The Architect/ Divine Design.
However, I know your depiction of the universe breathing is meant to be poetic, but you are mistaken that harmony is the essence of creation. Harmony is the manifestation of one choice being made within the construct of the Divine Design. Another choice may bring disharmony.
Harmony is not the state which brought about creation. It was the exact opposite, where the One and such harmony was ripped apart by the force of Being/Awareness, establishing a process of duality, two states of being, harmony and chaos, comprehension and confusion.
It is true that it is the energy of seeking to unite and balance these forces which establish the continuing process of being. It is always about balance.

We are the Creator, I am the Creator, You are the Creator. However, it requires the Plans of the Architect, of Intelligence, of Wisdom, in order to create a structure which allows life to flow to the parts of Creation that need it.

You say that we are the Creator, and yet we do not have the Plans, the attributes of wisdom, intelligence, or creativity. How then can you consider us Creator when you in the same instance acknowledge that we have none of the attributes required for creation?

This is not the only Universe in which I exist, or rather, the Memory Complex, or Higher Monad as some may think of it as, that this individuated body is a formulation of.

What makes you say this? How do you know this? When you speak of the universe, of what are you speaking? Do you mean all of creation, or do you mean all that you are aware of?

In a way, every single individual is part of the Memory Complex of which I speak, for it is the memories of the Architect. Every person, and indeed every creature, rock, and point of space, is part of the Memory Complex.

This Archtypal Memory Complex is then, in a typical microcosmic, macrocosmic way, the Unity of all individuated Social Memory Complexes, and thus individual Memory Complexes which we refer to as Mind/Body/Spirits often in this place.

Basically you are saying that every thought of the Creator is the Creator in action. And this is true with regard to process, but not regarding the identity of the Creator or Origin. The thought is a process of the Creator, but the thought is not the creator.
As you have acknowledged above, we are the process, not the creator. This is where you create the dilemma of our being the creator without the plans.

The first question that is always asked is "What is/are your name(s)?". Names serve as symbols of symbols. Thus, a name can reference something which references an intelligence. We think we can give names to Beings or Entities, but really it is the interaction, the words, the Creation or Expression which we are giving the name to, and this exists in the moment.

Greater truth has never been spoken. Oh wait, yes it has;
“Know thy true self.”

In a channeling, for instance, often times many different names will arise as being "speakers". Well, it is really just patterns of intelligence which allow each personality expression, which is the character of the Creator individuated in to Creation, to be "different". We give names to different patterns to differentiate the experience of our interaction with them from the experience of other patterns. Once we have named a pattern, it then becomes something consistent, it then has a permanent identity. Names may be given to any pattern of energy, expressed as a symbolic experience within consciousness, whether physical, metaphysical, or non-physical.

Now this has truth, while at the same time it is being relayed in confusion. The truth is that what we are naming is an expression of the One’s experience. BUT, does that expression then exist forever into eternity just because another experience has named it? I say emphatically no.

This is what I have been suggesting all along. Every individual that thinks they are an identity is simply an experience of The One, but an individual experience does not last eternally. It happens, and then it becomes memory stored in the vast consciousness of The One.
Try to comprehend that if every single experience of creation was to exist forever as a continuing experience, there would not be One God, but there would be gazillions. It is difficult enough to imagine the countless flames that may exist at any given time which are experiencing creation as fields of consciousness. But to compound to that each and every single experience ever had in all of creation is beyond rationale. Why would we even want to consider such a thing? Shall every wave pattern in every sound ever made become eternal just because we give it a name or acknowledge it? If we named every single apple ever taken from a tree would they all become eternally existing? What if we name each and every bite? What if we name each and every molecule of the universe?
Do you see what I am saying? Far fetched? Not at all, because you are saying that we are the Creator, and as such we could easily name every molecule of matter that exists, and really, is not the very creation of them acknowledging them by name?
Your thinking is very poetic, but not substantial in expressing the actual experience as One being, leaving far too many questions.

Animals and other creatures remember Names in a way which allows them to instinctually get feelings of familiarity, like a gut feeling. Thus, they name in a more vibrational way, as opposed to with words.

Not so in my understanding Azrael. I think that humans become attached to their identity in exactly the same way that animals do. If I was raised by wolves, I would probably think my identity was called ‘Woof”. Vibration is vibration regardless of the form continuing it.

That being said, what is my name, or the name of my social memory complexes? I am Tanner Michael Hartman, in terms of the identification of this body and the young Memory Complex which substantiates its intelligence and physical capacities. Any other name, is, in a way, meaningless, for they all reference things which everyone may be, and everyone is.

True in that names identify an individual as an experience of The One, as you had almost comprehended above. BUT, you also eluded to the aspect of such an identification as being eternal once established, and although that actual identity does not exist eternally, its experiences are unique to that one alone. That particular individual experience being had by the One Consciousness is unique to that very exact particular set of choices made by that fragmented field of consciousness. No other field of consciousness, or individual experience of The One, can be said to be the exact same as another just because each is being experienced by One Process of Being. To attempt to do this you deny the Divine Design and the Process of The Architect as you put it. Individual experience is the crux of creation. No other field of consciousness will be the same as the experience that now identifies itself as Tanner Hartman. That is totally unique to you and you alone, as The Eternal One.
I would not suggest that some other entity within the Process of Being has had the exact same experience as my field has been through, because to do so would be to deny the fact that my field has made many choices freely which could have been made in many fashions, and each one was completely at the mercy of my decision/experience.
This comprehension is vital in understanding the individuality of the fragmented consciousness in comparison to the One experience of the One Consciousness.
We simply cannot hoard all into one in such a way that all is no longer all, or where individuation of experience has no effect on the totality of the experience.
As our esteemed colleague expressed in another thread, and I do paraphrase extensively here, “we can swallow whole all we want in order to evade the process of digestion, but in the end, well,… you know.”

Each body is an experiment or artistic endeavor undertaken by the Creator, it is the Living Form which the Creation consists of. Each body is a symbol or expression of all of the intelligence and love that has gone in to its creation, and the gift of consciousness itself, the innate state that is gifted to all, holds a memory of all that intelligence and love.

The Creator is absolutely Unique, and thus, every expression that comes out of it is also absolutely Unique. The Creator, though unified, and One, is dynamic in expression because expression is an interaction within Unity that causes the ripples that are Duality, Triplicity, Quadrality, etc

Now this I agree with except for the triplicity and quadality aspect. There is duality as a result of the opposing forces responsible for creation. The Divine Design established in that action/reaction is based upon the duality which already existed at the origin of its establishment. BUT these words seem to contradict your previous attempts at professing your thoughts around The One and The All. This is why I continue to say that you confuse me, and that your (Tanner’s) efforts to comprehend that which you (The Eternal) have access to in your vast field of information are burdened with the confusion of Tanner’s comprehensive ability. If the temporary identity of Tanner can manage to let go of its egotistic quest for immortality, the information of that vast field will begin to come through uninhibited and less confused. Not criticism, just observation and loving advice. No other intention remains hidden.

As it might be obvious, I am proud of my intelligence, of the wisdom I have gathered in this world. On the other hand, I sometimes think of myself as stupid, always going backwards, and quite short-sighted in my perception. These are part of the identity that is Tanner. Tanner is the sum-total of every impression and expression that has interacted with this body, both externally and internally.

Yes, Tanner, the temporary experience that The One now experiences through that field of consciousness is the PRESENT result of the many other PAST experiences of that one field of consciousness which has had many other previous identities, all of which have been spawned from The One Consciousness as ITS continuing thought process. Is this what you meant by externally Azreal?

I have never left the higher realms. I exist both here, and in all other densities, with all my bodies currently activated. This is true for everyone, and I suppose truly I have merely chosen to examine that awareness.

Now let us make the distinction here where when you say “I”, you are MEANING ‘The One Consciousness’ as opposed to ‘its fragments’, are you not. The One exists in all places, in the higher and lower realms, in fact in all of The All, at all times. But the future of this process has yet to be realized and will take place as The One continues to think, and as many more thoughts become new fields of consciousness experiencing new creation in the process. I make this distinction very adamantly as it is an extremely precise point of confusion when elaborating on our experiences within the All as both Creator and the Process of that Creator.

Within this short amount of time, I, Tanner, have been through many absolutely fascinating experiences and perceptions. While to some my experiences may seem mundane in some regards, they have been incredibly powerful as a shaping of this form.

Yes, the shaping of the temporary form of tanner, and also the continuing field of consciousness that uses this temporary form at this time. The experience as Tanner will be compiled in the field of consciousness and discerned for its value and offering, and will become memory stored in both the fragmented field and the field of The One, and will be offered and shared as information to all other fields that manage to connect via it, or The One. It is possible to gather information from all fields of consciousness, even The One Source Field, as that is the actual Process taking place at all times. But such sharing is limited and inhibited by the degree and state of being of each individual field. If the individual field, the fragment of The One, was actually The One Source Being, than all information and memory would be accessible without restraint. This alone suggests that the individual experience, the fragment, is somehow isolated from The One in its experience. And THIS is the veil that I hear some of you referring to.

Words are somewhat fumbly however, and you may find increasingly that we/I may contradict what we have previously said, and we urge every self to be aware that I am still attempting to express a huge amount of information through a very limited form, which is slowly becoming less limited. Most in particular this "we", "I", barrier.

Now that humility makes my heart swell with appreciation.

It can be understood that intelligence patterns that are entities, or beings, are still intelligence patterns, just like the constructs of our own personalities. Intelligence, in this way, is a manner of motion, or pattern of activation/stimulation. This being said, Intelligence, in itself, is geometric, or rather, built upon interrelationships.

A pattern of Intelligence can then be applied to any field of Information, and the Information shall arrange itself in to the Pattern of the Intelligence via "impression".

This assumes that someone is doing the applying. Who or what is applying the pattern of intelligence that you speak of here? I agree that intelligence is geometric in design, and built upon interaction, but I do not understand what you mean when you state that patterns of intelligence can be applied. Applied by whom, or what? You must be more distinct.

In the case of channeling, it can be thought that an alternate intelligence pattern is willingly allowed to override the "default" or lower monadic pattern. Thus all the information, and words/grammar/concepts/etc, are arranged in to new patterns which result in "new knowledge" or "wisdom" which is then expressed through the body. In truth, knowledge is in fact the illusion of manyness. Knowledge is particulate, it consists of many individual parts which constitutes its body, at the same time, it is eternal, formless, but only arising in individuation.

Again, I believe that this is where Tanner manifests as the burden of that field attempting to express its comprehension under the restraints of the temporary identity. This is Tanner’s effort to make his theories work so that he does not have to adjust them and admit error. And this being after he had just revealed the humility of his efforts in an above statement. It is the legendary battle between the field and the temporary form taken.
Knowledge may arise in individual experience, but it certainly not an illusion which can be altered at will. Knowledge is the sum total of all experience had by The One, passed on from one experience to another as memory and information. Efficient utilization of it for the purpose of evolving The One into further process, as opposed to not applying it in a useful manner, for example repeating the same mistakes over and over, and never learning from them, is what becomes wisdom. Such wisdom can be used to further apply more knowledge efficiently and beneficially.

The Absolute, having Complete Knowledge, thus also has No Knowledge, and it is only microcosmic and macrocosmic interrelationships between the Complete Knowledge of a One or Thing and No Knowledge of a thing. Seeing that ultimately everything, being Infinite, cannot be completely knowable, but neither is it truly possible to have no knowledge, even if intuited in the moment, we reach the conundrum of Choice. It is because Knowledge is an Infinite Illusion that Choice exists.

To state that The One, having experienced The All as it has to this point, has accumulated no knowledge, makes no sense to me. That might be my inability to comprehend, but it is what I experience now as I try to understand what you have stated here. It sounds as though you are contradicting your words all in the same paragraph.
You say it has complete knowledge, and then no knowledge, and then again that it is impossible to have no knowledge. And then you go on to suggest that knowledge is an illusion and somehow equate it to choice. I am confused by this thought process.

Everything we base our choices on in this world is based on the illusion of knowledge. When we feel we know something, when we gain an experience of certainty, that is when we feel knowledge. I also want to make sure I differentiate this from information, with knowledge being the awareness of information. Intelligence is thus the use of knowledge to arrange information.

I think what you mean by illusion of choice is that we assume that we know something based upon our experience of it, and that is illusion because our comprehension of that experience may change radically as we gain further understanding of it. Is this what you are trying to say?

With that being said, I recently realized that no matter how much Knowledge you have, it is just potential until it is arranged and utilized by Intelligence. It doesn't matter what you contain in your intellect, until you engage it with the capacities of your intelligence it is not Wisdom. Knowledge needs to be turned in to Wisdom by Intelligence, and this happens through the application of Love to Intelligence.

Yes, I think that my above statement is answered here, although I am not sure how you plan on bringing love into this equation.

Love, to even those who hate it, is the highest idea of feeling, it is the manifestation of the raw potent yearning the Creator has to know and interact with itself. Many who think they are falling in to hate, must surely realize that hate has simply become their new Love. Just as one who falls in to bliss in a forest makes of the forest their Love.

One must become aware of what they Love, for in that is the Wisdom contained in their Knowledge. When you know what you Love, then suddenly Knowledge has purpose as fuel, as raw material for the creation of beautiful actions and expressions. These actions may even involve the survival of another being. Survival happens when life and love is flowing through a being. Life happens where Life is granted by the Creator.

I think that here is where your profession loses context because I think when you use the word love, you should actually be using the word ‘desire’. Love is not desire. Desire describes how an individual feels toward a matter it would like to acquire or achieve. That is by choice and can be controlled by the decision of the individual to pursue or not. Love is very different. It is like breathing. It is involuntary response. When we fall into love it is uncontrollable. It is, as you say, the yearning of The Creator which is beyond our individual ability to disturb or intervene upon. Just as we as fragments of the One cannot simply create a mountain or stop an asteroid, we cannot control the love of The Creator.

I do not understand your intention here, but I have the idea that it relates to your many attempts to equate STS with STO, love with hate, darkness with light, and so on and so on. It is my observation that this has been a longstanding agenda in this forum because of the wording of the Ra Material and the biases of those reading it who would like to make it fit their own paths. It is my opinion that when Tanner, the temporary form, gives way to The Eternal, the field of consciousness which takes that temporary form, and relinquishes the desire to lean toward the dark things of existence, and turn toward the Light, that then the field will evolve into higher understanding of these things which it struggles to comprehend as Tanner.

We are the Creator. We have the Intelligence to apply Knowledge through the Wisdom of Love. Whether or not this world, or the beings in this world, live, or die, is up to the use of our knowledge and the ways in which we apply it to change the Living Form of this space. In every moment we have the choice, life or death?

Déjà vu!
I could swear that I have recently responded to this quote elsewhere, where I asked you if you thought you would continue to think the same way when you were staring at an asteroid plummeting toward you.
I hope in the length of this post I have not managed to lose track and become repetitive.


In a final address to your post Azrael I will say this.
You are right in that all that we think we know could easily be altered by that which we shall come to know. But THAT will be the future aspect of our choices and decisions made during this ongoing process of The One Consciousness experiencing its awareness.

Any attempts to finalize that ongoing process defies infinity, and any attempt to immortalize one particulate/monad/fragment of the experience into Godhood, or Tanner into Source, denies the ongoing process of being as it has been divinely designed far beyond any ability that you may delude yourself into having in this temporary form, or even as a fragment of The One, as All is merely Process.

We are nothing more than Process of Being.
Our experiences are The One Consciousness experiencing Its awareness through Its Process of Being.
Our identities are the illusion that is created through that experience.
Our experiences are manifested as the creation which The One experiences.


I will end with these words of The Ancients for Oldern’s sake, and with the declaration that all who choose to read these following words in depth of consideration and spirit will be blessed with great wisdom.


FROM THE EMERALD TABLETS OF THOTH
Great is the wisdom of the Seven.
Mighty are THEY from beyond.
Manifest THEY through their power,
filled by force from beyond.

Hear ye these words of wisdom.
Hear ye and make them thine own.
Find in them the formless.
Mystery is but hidden knowledge.
Know and ye shall unveil.
Find the deep buried wisdom
and be master of darkness and Light.

Deep are the mysteries around thee,
hidden the secrets of Old.
Search through the KEYS of my WISDOM.
Surely shall ye find the way.
The gateway to power is secret,
but he who attains shall receive.
Look to the LIGHT! O my brother.
Open and ye shall receive.
Press on through the valley of darkness.
Overcome the dweller of night.
Keep ever thine eyes of the LIGHT-PLANE,
and thou shalt be One with the LIGHT.

Man is in process of changing
to forms that are not of this world.
Grows he is time to the formless,
a plane on the cycle above.
Know ye, ye must become formless before ye are with the LIGHT,

List ye, O man, to my voice,
telling of pathways to Light,
showing the way of attainment
when ye shall be One with the Light.

Search ye the mysteries of Earth's heart.
Learn of the LAW that exists,
holding the stars in their balance
by the force of the primordial mist.
Seek ye the flame of the EARTH'S LIFE.
Bathe in the galre of its flame.
Follow the three-cornered pathway
until thou, too, art a flame.


MY THOUGHTS:
We are all flames of The One Light; sparks of consciousness passed into infinite experience by the Source, always returning to our form of flame.


FROM THE EMERALD TABLETS OF THOTH
Thirty and two were there of the children,
sons of Lights who had come among men,
seeking to free from the bondage of darkness
those who were bound by the force from beyond.

Deep in the Halls of Life grew a flower, flaming,
expanding, driving backward the night.

Placed in the centre, a ray of great potence, Life
giving, Light giving, filling with power all who came near it.
Placed they around it thrones, two and thirty,
places for each of the Children of Light,
placed so that they were bathed in the radiance,
filled with the Life from the eternal Light.

There time after time placed they their first created bodies
so that they might by filled with the Spirit of Life.
One hundred years out of each thousand must the
Life-giving Light flame forth on their bodies.
Quickening, awakening the Spirit of Life.

There in the circle from aeon to aeon,
sit the Great Masters,
living a life not known among men.
There in the Halls of Life they lie sleeping;
free flows their Soul through the bodies of men.

Time after time, while their bodies lie sleeping,
incarnate they in the bodies of men.
Teaching and guiding onward and upward,
out of the darkness into the light.


MY THOUGHTS:
These above are the Ancient Ones which bring to us the ancient teachings.


FROM THE EMERALD TABLETS OF THOTH
Through the dark passage, downward he led me,
into the Hall where site the dark Death.
Vast as space lay the great Hall before me,
walled by darkness but yet filled with Light.

Before me arose a great throne of darkness,
veiled on it seated a figure of night.
Darker than darkness sat the great figure,
dark with a darkness not of the night.
Before it then paused the Master, speaking

The Word that brings about Life, saying;
"Oh, master of darkness,
guide of the way from Life unto Life,
before thee I bring a Sun of the morning.
Touch him not ever with the power of night.
Call not his flame to the darkness of night.
Know him, and see him,
one of our brothers,
lifted from darkness into the Light.
Release thou his flame from its bondage,
free let it flame through the darkness of night."


MY THOUGHTS:
And this above is the release of Lord Thoth from the cycle of life and death, whereupon he chooses to reincarnate as human to bring his understanding to us as one of us.


And now finally, observe below, and try to understand the reality of your being existing as an eternal sacred flame.


FROM THE EMERALD TABLETS OF THOTH
Raised then the hand of the figure,
forth came a flame that grew clear and bright.
Rolled back swiftly the curtain of darkness,
unveiled the Hall from the darkness of night.

Then grew in the great space before me,
flame after flame, from the veil of the night.
Uncounted millions leaped they before me,
some flaming forth as flowers of fire.

Others there were that shed a dim radiance,
flowing but faintly from out of the night.

Some there were that faded swiftly;
others that grew from a small spark of light.
Each surrounded by its dim veil of darkness,
yet flaming with light that could never be quenched.
Coming and going like fireflies in springtime,
filled they with space with Light and with Life.

Then spoke a voice, mighty and solemn, saying:
"These are lights that are souls among men,
growing and fading, existing forever,
changing yet living, through death into life.
When they have bloomed into flower,
reached the zenith of growth in their life,
swiftly then send I my veil of darkness,
shrouding and changing to new forms of life.

Steadily upward throughout the ages, growing,
expanding into yet another flame,
lighting the darkness with yet greater power,
quenched yet unquenched by the veil of the night.

So grows the soul of man ever upward,
quenched yet unquenched by the darkness of night.

I, Death, come, and yet I remain not,
for life eternal exists in the ALL;
only an obstacle, I in the pathway,
quick to be conquered by the infinite light.

Awaken, O flame that burns ever inward,
flame forth and conquer the veil of the night."

Then in the midst of the flames
in the darkness grew there one that
drove forth the night, flaming, expanding,
ever brighter, until at last was nothing but Light.

MY FINAL THOUGHTS:

Death and darkness is merely an obstacle in the ascension of the eternal flame to be ever conquered by the Infinite Light of the Source.
Will you, as an eternal flame barely flicker in the darkness as you struggle to conquer it, or will you shine brightly as you direct your path toward the Source Light and obliterate the dark veil?

This is choice. This is The Process of Being. This is The Light being/existing.

This is The One.

[zenmaster]

I have learned that in order to assist others in healing themselves, you have to first validate and recognize where they are. If they do not see exactly where they are, as opposed to where they "ought to be" (even if that is thus nowhere), they will never know what directions are available.

Let's be clear, you're not going to see exactly "where they are" or exactly where they "out to be", nor is this necessary in assisting others in healing themselves. You're going to see (or 'recognize') all of these dispositions with distortion and further, with translation, and so goes for the other. Where you may see vines, another may see ropes. The universe works fine because relative approximations (and acceptance) substitutes for what may be 'exact', and consequently 'all directions available' will not be considered nor forthcoming. Those options which will be forthcoming typically tend to be extremely limited and with blatant short-sighted bias, ideologies, attachments, and indulgences (which I call 'bullshit' when presented in platitude form - because it's humorous that way). Even with the experience of a 'healer', the options tend to be designed with constraints of personal convenience, with little actual recognition of the infinite individual and universe.

Things work out fine (and with perfection) because, in the fool-proof, infinite universe, we ask for only what we are capable of digesting and no more. And as we evolve and are ready for something more, we distort the past, present and future according to what we would like it to be.

[Unbound]

Well, boy, what HAVE I been thinking?

[Shin'Ar]

Az says
Humans are brilliantly complex spirits, and there are as many layers to each individual as there is to the Creator itself. Who am I to attempt to refute the experiences and relationships another has worked with in their reality?

Zen says
Those options which will be forthcoming typically tend to be extremely limited and with blatant short-sighted bias, ideologies, attachments, and indulgences…

I say,

Both are right in that the many experiences which go into the being/becoming of a field of consciousness, cannot possibly be dissected by another which has not experienced them from that exact point of subjection without inserting their own perspective and experiences.

but then again, that is just my point of view.

[Unbound]

Well, maybe it's time to just head in to the mountains and start the Yogi life, doesn't seem to be much purpose to me doing anything else for all the "distortion" I am causing.

[Shin'Ar]

Well, maybe it's time to just head in to the mountains and start the Yogi life, doesn't seem to be much purpose to me doing anything else for all the "distortion" I am causing.

You cause thought to be deep and considerate. That is extremely beneficial to All. But if what you seek is worship of your eternal grandeur, than I point out that there will not be many worshipers to find in the mountains.

[Unbound]

How can you be beneficial to an All that is self-perfected?

Although apparent phenomena
manifest as diversity
yet this diversity is non-dual,
and of all the multiplicity
of individual things that exist
none can be confined in a limited concept.

Staying free from the trap of any attempt
to say it’s ‘like this’, or ‘like that’,
it becomes clear that all manifested forms are
aspects of the infinite formless,
and indivisible from it,
are self perfected.

Seeing that everything is self perfected
from the very beginning,
the disease of striving for any achievement
is surrendered,
and just remaining in the natural state
as it is,
the presence of non-dual contemplation
continuously spontaneously arises.

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Well, maybe it's time to just head in to the mountains and start the Yogi life, doesn't seem to be much purpose to me doing anything else for all the "distortion" I am causing.

You cause thought to be deep and considerate. That is extremely beneficial to All. But if what you seek is worship of your eternal grandeur, than I point out that there will not be many worshipers to find in the mountains.

My friend, not to be rude, but I must say that you hardly know me.

Also, egads, who wants worshippers? I can barely handle the limited social contact I already engage in.

[Shin'Ar]

My friend, not to be rude, but I must say that you hardly know me.

Also, egads, who wants worshippers? I can barely handle the limited social contact I already engage in.

hmmm, let me rephrase that so it does not sound as tho0ugh I point with direction.

You cause our thoughts to be deep and considerate and that is extremely beneficial to All.

But if what one seeks is worship of their eternal grandeur, than I point out that there will not be many worshipers to find in the mountains.

If we seek to have our understanding and wisdom appreciated for its worth, we must have the sharing with others in order to measure its worth. And we must not seek glory in our achievement of such wisdom, rather we simply realize the acknowledgment that others do understand what we have to say.

What you have to offer, is not inconsequential nor worthless, for it stirs further thought process which is the very essence of the Process of Being.

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How can you be beneficial to an All that is self-perfected?

Although apparent phenomena
manifest as diversity
yet this diversity is non-dual,
and of all the multiplicity
of individual things that exist
none can be confined in a limited concept.

Staying free from the trap of any attempt
to say it’s ‘like this’, or ‘like that’,
it becomes clear that all manifested forms are
aspects of the infinite formless,
and indivisible from it,
are self perfected.

Seeing that everything is self perfected
from the very beginning,
the disease of striving for any achievement
is surrendered,
and just remaining in the natural state
as it is,
the presence of non-dual contemplation
continuously spontaneously arises.

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I cannot elaborate on this writing, or know of its origin, but in brief encounter with it I can say that it seems to contradict itself in these few sentences alone.

And from what little sense I can make of it from this brief encounter, I would have to disagree with it.

The benefit that I would say we offer to The All is the enhancing of our understanding, whereby The One enhances its own understanding. In my understanding this is the Divine Purpose of evolution.

[Sagittarius]

Well, maybe it's time to just head in to the mountains and start the Yogi life, doesn't seem to be much purpose to me doing anything else for all the "distortion" I am causing.

You cause thought to be deep and considerate. That is extremely beneficial to All. But if what you seek is worship of your eternal grandeur, than I point out that there will not be many worshipers to find in the mountains.

The squirrels shall worship me muahahahaha.

[Vasistha]

How can you be beneficial to an All that is self-perfected?

Although apparent phenomena
manifest as diversity
yet this diversity is non-dual,
and of all the multiplicity
of individual things that exist
none can be confined in a limited concept.

Staying free from the trap of any attempt
to say it’s ‘like this’, or ‘like that’,
it becomes clear that all manifested forms are
aspects of the infinite formless,
and indivisible from it,
are self perfected.

Seeing that everything is self perfected
from the very beginning,
the disease of striving for any achievement
is surrendered,
and just remaining in the natural state
as it is,
the presence of non-dual contemplation
continuously spontaneously arises.

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I am pretty confident I have read something like that in a book about dzogchen (tibetan buddhism's branch). In fact this is the main tenet of dzogchen.

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In fact, Ra says almost the same thing

57.33 - In the experiences of the mystical search for unity, these need never be considered, for they are but part of an illusory system. The seeker seeks the One. This One is to be sought, as we have said, by the balanced and self-accepting self, aware both of its apparent distortions and its total perfection. Resting in this balanced awareness, the entity then opens the self to the universe which it is. The light energy of all things may then be attracted by this intense seeking, and wherever the inner seeking meets the attracted cosmic prana, realization of the One takes place.

[Unbound]

You are correct that this is a main tenet of Dzogchen, which is also connected to the Bon tradition of Tibet. Dzogchen, really, is the core of Buddhism itself, and does not really belong to any one tradition, but is an idea which is seen in many.

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It seems redundant, to me, to "add to" infinity. Really, I am just becoming aware of the Infinity that already exists, and in each moment my "addition" is really just a motion, just an interaction, and part of the greater motions of everything.

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I guess to me, the idea that there is any particular "goal" except awareness makes no sense to me. The goal is not understanding, is not knowing, and is not even transformation. Really, there is no goal except that which consciousness chooses to perceive. All of these things only add to awareness of awareness, and what I see is the potential of awareness within all individual Ones as reflections of the capacity for awareness of the Infinite One. That is, I am really just one "charge" from One to infinity and back again. My "development" is really just a matter of my degree of awareness of the total Creator, and this body is an expression of the "phase" of that movement.

To me, the Universe is based in Mind, and that "realities" are really just thought systems and organizations of thoughts. In this I include the thoughtform that is Matter and all physical objects. Our individual experiences are really just the perception of a changing thought system, which moves us through a kaleidescope of experience.

The entire system of reality in which we exist is a thought system which we have configured our mind to.

Of course, all thought systems are self-existent in the Mind of the One, and it is the individual reflections of the One which explore the many realms which thought organize themselves in to.

[Shin'Ar]

It seems redundant, to me, to "add to" infinity. Really, I am just becoming aware of the Infinity that already exists, and in each moment my "addition" is really just a motion, just an interaction, and part of the greater motions of everything.

If infinity cannot be added to than how can it be infinite? Infinity presumes infinite possibility does it not?

Really, there is no goal except that which consciousness chooses to perceive.

Than is not choosing to perceive a goal?

To me, the Universe is based in Mind, and that "realities" are really just thought systems and organizations of thoughts. In this I include the thoughtform that is Matter and all physical objects. Our individual experiences are really just the perception of a changing thought system, which moves us through a kaleidescope of experience.

The entire system of reality in which we exist is a thought system which we have configured our mind to.

And if one fragment can configure its mind to such, then all fragments can do the same. Which means that all of creation is the result of all thought processes. One cannot declare that they alone create the universe and reality through their thought process alone.

[Unbound]

It is more that Infinity doesn't need to be added to, because it is the very fact of growth, of expansion, of limitlessness, in and of itself. So, to me, I am more "discovering" Infinity than adding to it in any way.

Hard to say if choosing to perceive is a "goal" or not. Who or what is the one pursuing the goal of perception? To perceive, to me, comes before choice.

And you are absolutely correct that all fragments can do that same, and it does indeed mean that all of creation is the result of all thought processes, and in that regard, all thought processes are a result of all of creation! However, if we understand that at the core of everything is the Seed Consciousness of the One, the Creator is everyone and everything, then from every fragment the whole may be accessed.

We can declare that the One creates the Universe and reality through its One thought process, and in that realization that we are the One, and that all thought is connected to our Creator consciousness, then in truth we have an Infinite Number of Universes, created by an Infinite number of Creator Fragments, each being the "alone" Creator of their particular Universe, and all of these coalescing in to the collective experience which I know as the Omniverse. The Omniverse is the endless field in which Universes collide.

[Shin'Ar]

If the universe is in the omniverse, what is the omniverse in?

Will you have a name for every infinite number of 'verses'.

Wow!

Azrael, did you catch that?

We are writing a song with our thought process as we speak.

Synchronicity?

[Unbound]

Sure, there could be a quasi-verse, or a proto-verse, maybe a sub-verse. Could just put it all in to a limerick really.

The Omniverse is just a symbol or reference to my idea of the collectivity of all Universes as One. Once again, all just words, all just attempting to reference impressions.

[AnthroHeart]

Without the veil I wonder if you become aware of the omniverse. If consciousness can be in more than one perception at a time.

This side of the veil I feel just like a singular being.

[Unbound]

The Eye of Consciousness may look through any body it pleases once it realizes itself as the Eye.

How do we really know that we are "under the veil", except by the fact that we have been told so?

[AnthroHeart]

The Eye of Consciousness may look through any body it pleases once it realizes itself as the Eye.

How do we really know that we are "under the veil", except by the fact that we have been told so?

Wise words my friend. And how do we know if we are truly still in 3D, or really at the start of 4D. There are beings whose eyes I would love to look through.

I had concluded that I am behind the veil because I do not feel Creator's unconditional love everpresent around me. I still feel separated. If I can raise my consciousness, then perhaps I can experience that which I desire.

[Unbound]

The Veil may be cast aside by any, at any point. Everything is a function of the capacities of the consciousness. As has been said by many, the Universe will not give you more than you can handle.

[AnthroHeart]

I sometimes wish I wasn't so sensitive. The veil begins to lift the least little bit and I start taking things literally, and things startle me. For instance I was watching a cartoon where the character said they were in purgatory with heaven above and hell below, and that's how I felt at the time.

Then there's the heavenly feeling of everything being ok, but I nearly quit my job because I thought I didn't need it, being in heaven and all, and I was about to drop everything and move to Colorado where I wanted to go. So my level of deveopment as you say, I can only handle so much. I do crazy things when the veil begins to lift.

[Unbound]

Aha Crazy by who's definition?

[AnthroHeart]

My mom for one. She called the police on me when I wanted to move to Colorado on a whim. I was going to the next day, but my friend convinced me to stay the night with them instead. After that, things cleared up mentally for me and I didn't move.

[Unbound]

Aha We have to always be careful and gauge the impressions that come to us, for sure. Every thought is a pathway, and when we explore this or that pathway we add it to the tapestry of our lives, so it is meaningful to choose our pathways with care.

[Meerie]

Well, maybe it's time to just head in to the mountains and start the Yogi life, doesn't seem to be much purpose to me doing anything else for all the "distortion" I am causing.

Please TheEternal, don't leave because you feel uncomprehended... continue to shine your light.
You cannot "make" others see, all you can do is offer what you have to offer and whether it causes distortion or understanding is up to the individual but ultimately none of your business.
All I can say is that more often than not your posts have made me get some insight or remember things, that I wouldn't have been able to express with words, and suddenly I see that you wrote them down and made me realize what it was.
Thank you for your service, brother!

[Shin'Ar]

Aha We have to always be careful and gauge the impressions that come to us, for sure. Every thought is a pathway, and when we explore this or that pathway we add it to the tapestry of our lives, so it is meaningful to choose our pathways with care.

So does this mean that creation is not finished?

If we are adding to it at this time by the paths that we explore, is creation not then continuing?

And if it continues, how then can their be a future which has already happened now?

[Patrick]

This veiled experience will prevent anyone from truly knowing about anything.

[Spaced]

Aha We have to always be careful and gauge the impressions that come to us, for sure. Every thought is a pathway, and when we explore this or that pathway we add it to the tapestry of our lives, so it is meaningful to choose our pathways with care.

So does this mean that creation is not finished?

If we are adding to it at this time by the paths that we explore, is creation not then continuing?

And if it continues, how then can their be a future which has already happened now?

For me Creation is infinite and contains all infinite possibilities. All futures have already happened/are happening.

By deciding which of the paths available you wish to trod you are not adding to creation so much as choosing, from this fixed and limited perspective, which of the infinitely available possibilities you wish to utilize to construct a sort of narrative wherein it is possible for you to achieve the goals set forth by your higher-self/field of consciousness prior to incarnation.

At least that is how I understand things.

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TheEternal I would wish to express gratitude at your presence on this forum. I don't often take part in these sorts of threads which seem to often turn into long dialogues on lofty and high metaphysical concepts because frankly I don't have the attention span to go through all of the posts and maintain focus, but I would like to say that the ideas you having been putting forth recently really speak to me.

[AnthroHeart]

Aha We have to always be careful and gauge the impressions that come to us, for sure. Every thought is a pathway, and when we explore this or that pathway we add it to the tapestry of our lives, so it is meaningful to choose our pathways with care.

Very good point. We must use discrimination when things are revealed to us. The stuff that comes to me when starting to touch on the veil requires a degree of self-restraint in order not to just dive into a fantasy.