02-15-2015, 03:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-16-2015, 04:39 AM by dreamliner.)
I guess monica has something in her mind since the beginning of this thread, to "take care" of Law of One in a unique way.
However, it seems that she couldn't manage to reveal what was in her mind yet. As far as I could observe, monica has been either "counterarguing" (with the help of many fallacies & demagogies; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue ) with objecting/suspecting parties:
(so, is positive path "right", and is negative path "wrong"?)
Or collecting the approvals/gratidues from approving parties:
How polarity of a person takes shape is a complex issue. Intention/desire, thought, action, interactions, consequences, etc.; all are the concepts which have effects on the resultant polarity.
Even good intentions may turn into some negative polarity. That is, it does not matter solely what is in your mind; you are not living in a universe all by yourself. Patton and lincoln are the two examples to this:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=patton&o=s
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=%...eelings%22
And, the case of fifth-density wanderers turning into "ruthless despots" in venus, is another excellent instance of universal tragicomedy.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=wisdom-oriented
There are many techniques of "control over others" and "domination". The problem is, whether "honoring the free will", "manipulation", "control over others" and "domination" live together, or not. I think, not.
"too much order is by its essence, negative": http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=%...egative%22
Monica, if you can be more specific about what "caretakers of Law of One" might/should do to "prevent" it gets turn into a religion -in the name of "right", of course-, then I guess "caretakers of Law of One" might respond more specifically as well.
(02-10-2015, 05:10 PM)Monica Wrote: Do you think we have some responsibility in protecting the material from being turned into a religion? Is there anything we can do to prevent that from happening?
(02-10-2015, 05:44 PM)Monica Wrote: This is a good point, Gemini. A lot of the material could be confusing or even fear-inducing to those who aren't ready for it. How, then, do we act responsibly with the material, in the age of the internet?
(02-12-2015, 09:30 PM)Monica Wrote: I don't recall anyone even talking about this topic before and I think it's an important one. We, as caretakers of this Material, have a role to play as to whether or not it gets turned into a religion.
However, it seems that she couldn't manage to reveal what was in her mind yet. As far as I could observe, monica has been either "counterarguing" (with the help of many fallacies & demagogies; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue ) with objecting/suspecting parties:
(02-10-2015, 07:07 PM)Monica Wrote: Case in point: So are you saying that if you were to encounter someone about to murder a child, you would do nothing to stop it? (Please clarify if I'm misunderstanding you.)
(02-10-2015, 11:58 PM)Monica Wrote: We aren't supposed to be 'transcend polarity' in this density...we are supposed to choose and polarize.
(02-12-2015, 11:37 PM)Monica Wrote: See ya around...maybe in a few hundred years when there's The Church of Ra.
(02-10-2015, 02:38 PM)Monica Wrote: Agreed! The reason I started this discussion is that I've been observing a rather disconcerting trend in some of the discussions, wherein people sometimes state "Ra said xyz therefore it is fact" seemingly with no regard of the rest of what Ra said. A single phrase is taken out of context, ignoring myriad other points made by Ra that could flesh out the concept. This is akin to a Christian taking a single bible verse and using it to justify whatever they like...for example, an old testament quote in which the 'god' of the bible commanded his 'chosen few' to invade their neighbors, steal their land and slaughter all their children could be used by an extremist to justify violence and bigotry, while ignoring the teachings of Jesus about love, peace, forgiveness and compassion. I've seen this happen in the religious community numerous times.
(02-10-2015, 02:38 PM)Monica Wrote: An example of such cherry-picking can be found here. For example, "Ra said there is no right or wrong" while ignoring the 2 paths. Or, "Ra said the key is acceptance" while ignoring the importance of free will and choice. Or "Carla does xyz therefore I can too" which isn't fair to Carla, since she has expressly stated that she doesn't wish to be anyone's guru. Or "I am a 6D Wanderer so I don't need to have compassion...that is a 4D trait" which seems to be missing the point about why we're here in the first place.
(so, is positive path "right", and is negative path "wrong"?)
(02-10-2015, 02:38 PM)Monica Wrote: In all these cases, it seems to be a matter of picking a single point alone, while ignoring the bigger picture...similar to the religious person who creates an entire doctrine based on that single scripture. There are literally thousands of variations just in the Christian religion alone...all because of slight differences in interpretation. The mainstream Christian religions all agree that only those who have been 'saved' by believing in Jesus will go to 'heaven' and families have been torn apart by this single belief, political decisions have been made, wars have been fought...this is the power of religious dogma.
(02-10-2015, 02:38 PM)Monica Wrote: I contend that no beliefs are completely immune, not even the Law of One, unfortunately. Perhaps the reason is that some people are simply trading their Christian dogma for Law of One dogma. I see the shimmering of religious, dogmatic thinking bleeding into Law of One discussions. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this?
(02-10-2015, 05:02 PM)Monica Wrote: For example, the concept of Acceptance is one that is commonly misused, in my opinion. Taken by itself, it is often interpreted to mean that 'anything goes' and we should never help anyone, never try to make the world a better place, never do anything, really...just let it all hang out! See someone about to murder a child...nah, just let them do it...accept everything without any discernment whatsoever. Lose your temper and hurt someone's feelings...nah, no need to apologize...they need to just accept whatever venom we decide to vomit on them...Don't bother ever trying to do any good in the world...just accept it as is...etc.
(02-11-2015, 12:40 AM)Monica Wrote: OK fair enough. But see, you are offering some deep thoughts here...which I respect, even if I don't completely agree. See, you aren't taking a single idea out of context and making it into a dogma, as so many others often do. When I mentioned the concept of Acceptance as an example of simplistic thinking, I was referring to those who might say "No, don't save the child...accept the murder because Ra said to accept" which completely disregards the rest of the concepts offered by Ra, in favor of focusing on only one, and not even understanding what that one means anyway...this is akin to what the religious fundamentalists do.
(02-13-2015, 11:30 PM)Monica Wrote: After 3 years of interviewing Carla every week, I was always impressed by how humble she was. This is one of the reasons I cringe whenever I see people putting her in that position. By working with her so closely for 3 years, I developed a strong love for her as a person, not just as the channeler of the Law of One. So yes, it does bother me when I see people do the exact opposite of what she wanted. I guess I feel protective of her.
(02-14-2015, 12:03 PM)Monica Wrote: Yes, I agree. Many public figures revel in that. It becomes an ego thing for them. Not so for Carla.
...which makes it all the more disturbing when people put her in that position, especially when it's ridiculous things and not even her admirable traits, of which she has many.
Or collecting the approvals/gratidues from approving parties:
(02-14-2015, 12:05 PM)Monica Wrote:(02-14-2015, 01:34 AM)Regulus Wrote: It seems your thoughts, Monica, are in congruence with the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the One Infinite CreatorYES!!! Exactly! Thank you for finding that very valuable and astute quote!
How polarity of a person takes shape is a complex issue. Intention/desire, thought, action, interactions, consequences, etc.; all are the concepts which have effects on the resultant polarity.
Even good intentions may turn into some negative polarity. That is, it does not matter solely what is in your mind; you are not living in a universe all by yourself. Patton and lincoln are the two examples to this:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=patton&o=s
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=%...eelings%22
And, the case of fifth-density wanderers turning into "ruthless despots" in venus, is another excellent instance of universal tragicomedy.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=wisdom-oriented
There are many techniques of "control over others" and "domination". The problem is, whether "honoring the free will", "manipulation", "control over others" and "domination" live together, or not. I think, not.
"too much order is by its essence, negative": http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=%...egative%22
Monica, if you can be more specific about what "caretakers of Law of One" might/should do to "prevent" it gets turn into a religion -in the name of "right", of course-, then I guess "caretakers of Law of One" might respond more specifically as well.