(03-24-2015, 04:02 PM)Spaced Wrote: I think that veganism is an admirable choice and applaud people who make that choice. Nowhere do I say anything to the contrary. But to focus on a single issue like veganism again and again and to use the Law of One to justify your position that it is the only moral choice is a narrow view that borders on fundamentalism.
There is also a larger picture to look at, and Minyataur is hinting at it here. If we are going to look to the Law of One to guide our moral choices then we have to accept all that Ra says. We have to accept that we have a narrow and limited perspective of a universe in which an infinite and eternal drama is unfolding. All of us are playing a part, we offer second density entities the catalyst that will allow them individuate into third density and they offer us the catalyst that will help us to grow in compassion. When that catalyst is no longer required it will disappear, but until then trying to suppress that catalyst is putting the cart before the horse and is a disservice for all involved.
The militant vegan attitude that we are all familiar with is a reaction to that catalyst as well and shows that there is still work to be done in that area if one is sincere about their desire to seek the path of balanced growth.
Monica Wrote:How can we expect the planet to shift to 4D, when WE are contributing to the oppression and suffering of sentient beings?
Good question! How would you answer it? Or do you claim to live a life that is completely free of any contribution to the exploitation or oppression of any sentient beings?
Monica Wrote:How can we 'put our own house in order' when WE are directly adding to the problem, by buying meat and dairy?
This is a loaded question since you are arguing from a perceived moral high ground. You've already decided that you are in the right and are therefore free to paint meat and dairy eaters with a broad brush as self-serving and lacking in compassion.
Classic fundamentalist tactic and a direct act of separation.
Monica Wrote:How can we be concerned about lobbyists, when WE are adding to the demand for animal products ourselves?
By educating the population and encouraging them to think for themselves. By supporting your local farmers and returning the means of production to the small farmer.
I find this statement particular ironic:
Quote:If we are going to look to the Law of One to guide our moral choices then we have to accept all that Ra says.
That is precisely what I sought to do, with this thread: Show what Ra has said about the consciousness of mind-body complexes, ie. higher 2D entities, ie. animals.
It is these statements by Ra that have been consistently ignored...and continue to be ignored. They, along with the statements about choice and polarity, are glossed over, in favor of more 'feel good' statements by Ra.
Actual discussion of what Ra said is ignored, in favor of accusing the vegans of being moralizing, militant, etc.
At the end of the day, I'd rather be accused of moralizing, than of CAUSING suffering to sentient beings. Because that IS what is happening, when one chooses to eat meat or dairy. It can be glossed over all day, but that uncomfortable fact remains.
You can call that moralizing all you want. So be it.
So here we are, 5 pages and 121 posts later, and still very little discussion about the actual topic. But at least, up until now, it hadn't degenerated yet.
Ah well, I guess it was too good to be true.
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