(03-25-2015, 12:06 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote:I get that you don't seem that concerned with all that density talk.
No, it's that it is simply another topic and should be discussed in its own thread, not here.
(03-25-2015, 12:06 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote: But on a more concrete point of view here is an undeniable truth. Having complete control over your alimentation is something difficult to achieve.
As you said yourself, you have an unusual situation. Throughout 5+ years of discussing this topic, I have always acknowledged that some people may have challenges when transitioning to a vegan diet. I have also acknowledged that there is a huge difference between eating 2D entities for survival, vs. for taste.
For most people, it's really not difficult at all to thrive on a vegan diet, and in fact their health dramatically improves. It isn't necessary to have 'complete control over alimentation' though in your case, it is more of an issue, most likely for the reasons I outlined previously. Many people still have health issues regardless of whether they eat meat or not, due to other factors such as pesticides, medications, environmental poisons, water, stress, genetics, and myriad other factors. (Hence, the epidemic rates of cancer and other diet-and-lifestyle-related diseases.) But the fact remains that, statistically, vegans have dramatically lower risk for all the major diseases. That, together with the ethical, spiritual, and environmental component, do make a compelling case in favor of working towards this transition.
Dr. Gabriel Cousens, MD has worked with thousands of people, and acknowledges that some people have trouble transitioning to a vegan diet, due to metabolic issues. He has worked with hundreds of such people, and claims to have a 100% success rate helping them adjust their diet, so that they can thrive.
100% success rate.
This includes hundreds of people who thought they couldn't be vegan, due to meat cravings, or digestive problems, or even 'unusual medical conditions' or whatever. 100% success rate. He did say that they must want to, for it to work.
It can be done, if the person chooses to. The rewards can be great.
But people don't want to, because they are taking a single quote from Ra that says animals are 2D, and using that to try to justify the fact that they like bacon and pizza.
And anyway, society says it's ok...well society says war is ok too.
(03-25-2015, 12:06 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote: For some it is a lack of will, for others a lack of money, time or cooking skills. I myself find I lack pretty much all of them except maybe will.
It's actually much cheaper to eat vegan than to buy meat and dairy. Meat and dairy are expensive.
Cooking, yes, there is a learning curve there.
Will is something that must be there, to make this change. To have the will to change, there must be a reason to change. In all the previous discussions, the argument was always: It doesn't matter if animals suffer because they're only 2D.
The entire point of this thread is to build the case that higher 2D entities are mind-body complexes, whose call is answered by our elders, who feel pain, fear, grief, and even complex, profound emotions, and who may develop a bias towards STS or STO while in 2D, and thus begin their path for 3D, and whose evolutionary path is directly influenced by how we treat them.
We do each have free will. Each person can decide for themselves what they want to do with this information. I am simply presenting the information.
(03-25-2015, 12:06 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote: if all that slaughter exist, therefore there is a need for it as harsh as it sounds.
That seems to be a focus in Minyatur's comments and I have never disagreed on that point. In this reality, there is duality. STS exists, yes. But there is also Choice. There are 2 paths. We can choose which path we wish to polarize to. Ah, but we are 6D and don't need to polarize! they say. That topic has been discussed in depth in other threads. Suffice to say that there is much disagreement as to whether polarizing is important for Wanderers while in 3D.
Regardless of the answer to that, I would say that, at the very least, Wanderers have got no business adding to the extreme suffering on this planet. If people don't feel a 'calling' to do any sort of activism while here, they don't wish to give a dollar to the homeless guy or volunteer in a soup kitchen, or try to answer the call of the oppressed, because they think that is somehow 'beneath' them since they are 6D, or because they think they aren't supposed to 'interfere' with all the craziness going on here, ok fine, whatever, BUT, at least don't add to it! At least, at the very least, don't add to the suffering by contributing to the torture and slaughter of your younger other-selves who are, right now, calling out for help as they thrash about in agony.
To knowingly do that, to have callous disregard for their agony, NOT because they have a digestive problem and are struggling with health issues, like you do (you who are an exception), but because they are simply too busy or too lazy to learn how to cook beans and rice, or because they 'like bacon' is just reprehensible, in my opinion.
To justify that contributing to this extreme suffering, while callously ignoring the calls for help, because they like the taste of meat and cheese, is incongruent with the STO path.
Then they say "oh that doesn't matter because I am above polarity." Again, fine, but here's what they are missing:
It IS congruent with the STS path.
So the joke's on them. They think they are 'not polarizing' because they are '6D and above that' but in fact they ARE polarizing - to STS!!! when they make a choice to close their heart, to decline an opportunity to choose compassion, and instead make choices based on SELF.
(Before anyone gets their panties in a bundle, let me clarify that I'm not saying the person will be polarized enough to graduate STS, ok? I mean, c'mon, that should be obvious. But each conscious choice we make does affect our polarity.)
Again, NOT talking about survival or health problems like you have, ok? I am talking about WHY I started this conversation.
(03-25-2015, 12:06 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote: Being STO is all about acceptance and love, and not division and moralization.
Being STO is ALSO about opening the heart. Being STS is about closing the heart. That little detail seems to be missed, in favor of telling the vegans "horrors! You have committed the unforgivable sin of moralizing!" while ignoring the little detail of their continued disregard for the suffering of other-selves that they themselves are contributing to.
Again, they don't want to open their hearts...they don't care about answering the call of higher 2D entities, fine, but at least they shouldn't kid themselves as though they were staying neutral...when they are in fact contributing to something very dark...something very bloody...something fraught with the ultimate act of control and domination: killing a sentient being against their will.
So these very same people, who admonish me for 'moralizing' are in fact participating in the ultimate act of control and domination. We're not having a contest here, but I'd say that is rather comical.
...for...what reason? Survival? No. Because they like bacon and pizza.
Matrix_drumr, I can tell that you are just trying to facilitate understanding. Thank you for that. I hope you find solutions to your digestive issues. Best wishes to you!
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