03-31-2015, 01:46 PM
(03-26-2015, 12:26 PM)Minyatur Wrote: @Jade
I'm gonna say this because I love being the devil's advocate but telling Monica she is wrong in doing what she does is similar to her wanting to tell people they are wrong in eating meat. Other than that I liked your post, just playing the devil's advocate
Hence my tongue-in-cheek sentence in the end about students of Ra not judging each other.
Quote:The whole purpose of this thread was to discuss the consciousness of 2D entities. It's not uncommon for the person who started xyz thread to post a lot on that thread. At any rate, that just proves my point, that there has been very little participation in the actual topic. So you blame me for responding to posts and posting more than others?? Seriously? If more people commented on the actual topic, instead of getting side-tracked, then, duh, we'd have more posts. But no one else has actually explored Ra's comments on 2D consciousness. That's not my fault, Jade.
You act like discussing 2D consciousness a la Ra is a brand new topic of discussion on these forums or for these forums members. Anyway, it's hard to respond to this set of words because it seems like you've twisted my words to prove your point.
Quote:We pay people to watch slaughterhouse videos. They are NOT forced. They are paid only $1. We are very upfront. We tell them "This is a video of how meat is produced." They can choose to watch it or not.
If killing animals is no big deal, then it should be no big deal to see how it's done. It's reality. It is real.
Your justification is logical to you, not so much to me. But that's just my personal point of view, I'm sure plenty of others agree with you that what you are doing is justifiable.
Quote:In your rant, you are completely leaving out the victims. Any time there is oppression, there must be a raising of awareness, if there is any hope of opening the eyes of the public who accepts that oppression. Had no one ever exposed the horrors of slavery, would anyone have bothered to help free the slaves?
Actually, I do believe I addressed the victims, by saying that they are being exploited at times, and also by my being a vegan for 3 years. For some reason you have a desire to be "right" and argue your point when you don't even realize that I agree with you a whole bunch. I'm just not fond of your aggressive techniques, and have caught wind of others not responding well, either.
Quote:I make no apologies for discussing this topic. I have made every effort to keep this thread on-topic. Ra's statements about the consciousness of our younger other-selves is a valid topic.
I don't believe you should make apologies. I also don't believe you should make others feel like they aren't playing into your game properly (repeating "No one is on topic!!" isn't going to get your way)
Quote:For the record, I struggled for many years with an addiction to cheese. Giving up meat was easy, but giving up cheese was difficult.
That's because casein binds to our opioid receptors, though I'm sure you already knew that.
Quote:Your last statement is absolutely absurd...to accuse someone of judging others just by discussing a topic.
We're all judging, that's what's happening. We all have things we do well and things we don't do well. We point that out for each other. But we have to remain humble and realize that even though we do well in one area, we may not do as well in other areas.
Quote:Did you miss the many times we've shown compassion to people who struggled with their taste for meat or medical issues? Apparently you missed those. Bully fest? Seriously? We vegans have never called anyone any names. NEVER. Yet many nasty insults have been flung our way, and allowed to stand. We never retaliated in kind, despite being called very nasty names.
Yes, you are good with dancing around semantics and avoid any direct insults, but that doesn't mean you're above putting other people's opinions and actions below yours.
Quote:It's impossible for anyone to feel judged by anything I or anyone else could say. I proved this with my Eating Tomatoes is STS thread. Judgment comes from within.
I made some allusions to you possibly performing STS actions, and your response here implies that maybe you feel judged. Funny how that works?
Quote:Now, if you or anyone else has any beef about our views, please take it up in the Cognitive Distortions thread, which is the appropriate venue for that. THIS thread is about Ra's comments on 2D consciousness.
If you could get off your soapbox for 1/2 a minute, you'd realize I don't have a single beef with your views. Really, just your tone, and a lack of respect that I feel you show to people when they dare to cross you. I was just speaking up for a minority opinion.
In my posts here, I try to express, "I do not prefer the way you handle these discussions." Now, if this was how you phrased/toned your discussions with people here re: eating meat, that would be much more pleasing to my personal sensibilities. "I prefer that others don't eat meat." Instead, the tone is usually that one is WRONG to eat meat, that their actions need to be completely changed to be acceptable.
Again, there is nothing wrong with your passion, and you have obviously helped change some minds here or sway them with your intensity. I am merely expressing a minority opinion and also playing devil's advocate, as I am a long-time vegan but I find these methods quite aggressive.