Trolling is a misused word?

[isis]

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I guess Olio is a catch-literally-all.

Are you trolling?

[isis]

I enjoyed this thread & wanted to see what B4 thinks about the word trolling.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I was kidding
I wish there was a sarcastic tone font.

I posit trolling to intentionally attempting to emotionally harm someone. I wouldn't say that thread's OP merits 'trolling' unless the person does it in a way such as he said only for the reason to incite arguments, hurt feelings, and disagreements.

Intentional harm is what fulfills negative trolling to me.

Positive trolling is making decent jokes that might be somewhat 'offensive' but clearly aren't meant to be.

Vs decent jokes that are down-right cruel with intent to seriously grind and debase a person.

I've been trolled heavily, right down to a guy befriending me then sending me 'Photoshop brushes' containing a virus to delete registry files on my computer to crash it.

[Minyatur]

I strongly agreed because of van.

Trolling is light/love in it's most refined form.

[Jeremy]

Trolling is for those that seek entertainment at the sake of others. Challenging ones position is one thing by purposely being blunt Ala zenmaster.

But to derail a perfectly good and productive conversation by spewing nonsense simply to get a rise out of people is the epitome of immaturity and to be honest, loneliness. Ones that have no real purpose but to make it all about me me me instead of contributing anything of worth to the discussion.

Its a sad existence, really, to be a constant troll. Adding humor into a discussion is one thing. Trolling is just sad and disappointing.

[Minyatur]

Trolling is for those that seek entertainment at the sake of others. Challenging ones position is one thing by purposely being blunt Ala zenmaster.

But to derail a perfectly good and productive conversation by spewing nonsense simply to get a rise out of people is the epitome of immaturity and to be honest,  loneliness. Ones that have no real purpose but to make it all about me me me instead of contributing anything of worth to the discussion.

Its a sad existence,  really,  to be a constant troll. Adding humor into a discussion is one thing. Trolling is just sad and disappointing.

Good catalysts are often perceived as such. But trolls take on themselves, they open themselves to be hated for others' shortcomings and incessant seriousness.

No two trolls are alike, some are masters and have refined their art over eons of time, while others are beginners still in great need to learn.

[Jeremy]

Trolling is for those that seek entertainment at the sake of others. Challenging ones position is one thing by purposely being blunt Ala zenmaster.

But to derail a perfectly good and productive conversation by spewing nonsense simply to get a rise out of people is the epitome of immaturity and to be honest,  loneliness. Ones that have no real purpose but to make it all about me me me instead of contributing anything of worth to the discussion.

Its a sad existence,  really,  to be a constant troll. Adding humor into a discussion is one thing. Trolling is just sad and disappointing.

Good catalysts are often perceived as such. But trolls take on themselves, they open themselves to be hated for others' shortcomings and incessant seriousness.

No two trolls are alike, some are masters and have refined their art over eons of time, while others are beginners still in great need to learn.

Like I said,  it's one thing to interject humor into a discussion but to purposely attempt to derail it accomplishes what? I simply ignore them because I pity them. I would ever hate anyone,  especially for what I consider trivial behavior. But when there is real progress being made that pertains to people's spiritual evolution,  such trivialities reeks of insecurities for a lack of something in their own life. 

There's definitely a time and place for humor as life shouldn't be serious all the time but,  effort would be better spent if said troll actually accomplished something other than divert everyone attention on to them. 

[Minyatur]

Trolling is for those that seek entertainment at the sake of others. Challenging ones position is one thing by purposely being blunt Ala zenmaster.

But to derail a perfectly good and productive conversation by spewing nonsense simply to get a rise out of people is the epitome of immaturity and to be honest,  loneliness. Ones that have no real purpose but to make it all about me me me instead of contributing anything of worth to the discussion.

Its a sad existence,  really,  to be a constant troll. Adding humor into a discussion is one thing. Trolling is just sad and disappointing.

Good catalysts are often perceived as such. But trolls take on themselves, they open themselves to be hated for others' shortcomings and incessant seriousness.

No two trolls are alike, some are masters and have refined their art over eons of time, while others are beginners still in great need to learn.

Like I said,  it's one thing to interject humor into a discussion but to purposely attempt to derail it accomplishes what? I simply ignore them because I pity them. I would ever hate anyone,  especially for what I consider trivial behavior. But when there is real progress being made that pertains to people's spiritual evolution,  such trivialities reeks of insecurities for a lack of something in their own life. 

There's definitely a time and place for humor as life shouldn't be serious all the time but,  effort would be better spent if said troll actually accomplished something other than divert everyone attention on to them. 

Everything is guided by the Law of Attraction. One could ask why am I impersonating these other-selves to derail these threads?

Is not pitying others just a way to pity yourself?

[Jeremy]

Trolling is for those that seek entertainment at the sake of others. Challenging ones position is one thing by purposely being blunt Ala zenmaster.

But to derail a perfectly good and productive conversation by spewing nonsense simply to get a rise out of people is the epitome of immaturity and to be honest,  loneliness. Ones that have no real purpose but to make it all about me me me instead of contributing anything of worth to the discussion.

Its a sad existence,  really,  to be a constant troll. Adding humor into a discussion is one thing. Trolling is just sad and disappointing.

Good catalysts are often perceived as such. But trolls take on themselves, they open themselves to be hated for others' shortcomings and incessant seriousness.

No two trolls are alike, some are masters and have refined their art over eons of time, while others are beginners still in great need to learn.

Like I said,  it's one thing to interject humor into a discussion but to purposely attempt to derail it accomplishes what? I simply ignore them because I pity them. I would ever hate anyone,  especially for what I consider trivial behavior. But when there is real progress being made that pertains to people's spiritual evolution,  such trivialities reeks of insecurities for a lack of something in their own life. 

There's definitely a time and place for humor as life shouldn't be serious all the time but,  effort would be better spent if said troll actually accomplished something other than divert everyone attention on to them. 

Everything is guided by the Law of Attraction. One could ask why am I impersonating these other-selves to derail these threads?

Is not pitying others just a way to pity yourself?

Sure in the macrocosmic sense but in the microcosmic sense,  this other self is compensating for a lack of self worth by attempting to disrupt an otherwise harmonious environment for what? I fail to see the lesson or productivity involved with purposely diverting a subject to turn the attention on to them. 

The all is one stuff is all fine and dandy but within the confines of 3rd density,  the unity that binds us all is behind the veil. Sure we all know it's still there and exists but other selves have their own issues to deal with other than simply being a mirror for others. In this way,  I feel pity and I guess more sympathy knowing that they are utilizing an immature attempt at attention for the sake of some desperate form of acceptance by collectively being accepted as a troll 

[Aion]

Ahaha this is funny.

[isis]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-words-we-l...eaning_p2/

"When it can be used to describe everyone everywhere doing something potentially disagreeable, it's time to euthanize it and start relying on more descriptive words."

[Minyatur]

Sure in the macrocosmic sense but in the microcosmic sense,  this other self is compensating for a lack of self worth by attempting to disrupt an otherwise harmonious environment for what? I fail to see the lesson or productivity involved with purposely diverting a subject to turn the attention on to them. 

Not necessarily, that'd be like saying that someone who paints is trying to compensate for a lack of self worth because I don't myself feel the need to paint. Can be true in some cases but definitely not a worthwhile generalization.

There's as many lessons as there's ways it gets to you.

What you consider harmonious and disharmonious can be perceived differently by another.

The all is one stuff is all fine and dandy but within the confines of 3rd density,  the unity that binds us all is behind the veil. Sure we all know it's still there and exists but other selves have their own issues to deal with other than simply being a mirror for others. In this way,  I feel pity and I guess more sympathy knowing that they are utilizing an immature attempt at attention for the sake of some desperate form of acceptance by collectively being accepted as a troll 

I guess you are free to perceive others as you want within the confines of your veil. Just as preferring to perceive seemingly disharmony within what you know fully well is harmony.

[Jeremy]

Sure in the macrocosmic sense but in the microcosmic sense,  this other self is compensating for a lack of self worth by attempting to disrupt an otherwise harmonious environment for what? I fail to see the lesson or productivity involved with purposely diverting a subject to turn the attention on to them. 

Not necessarily, that'd be like saying that someone who paints is trying to compensate for a lack of self worth because I don't myself feel the need to paint.  Can be true in some cases but definitely not a worthwhile generalization.

There's as many lessons as there's ways it gets to you.

What you consider harmonious and disharmonious can be perceived differently by another.

The all is one stuff is all fine and dandy but within the confines of 3rd density,  the unity that binds us all is behind the veil. Sure we all know it's still there and exists but other selves have their own issues to deal with other than simply being a mirror for others. In this way,  I feel pity and I guess more sympathy knowing that they are utilizing an immature attempt at attention for the sake of some desperate form of acceptance by collectively being accepted as a troll 

I guess you are free to perceive others as you want within the confines of your veil. Just as preferring to perceive seemingly disharmony within what you know fully well is harmony.

Come on man,  you can give a better analogy than that. The stark difference is that the painter isn't disrupting anything for the sake of entertainment. If the artist,  say,  started painting a mural where a family was trying to take a picture thus disrupting the moment by their own self interest then yes that would be something. 

Just like a troll does,  they interrupt something for their own personal satisfaction. They infringe upon the moment based off of selfish intentions of causing disharmony. 

As for the last comment,  I am fully aware that in the grand scheme of this creation,  there is harmony. Actually now that I think about it,  the whole all is  harmony would be a trolls best argument and excuse for diverting a subject even though it's for ones personal satisfaction rather than others 

[Minyatur]

Sure in the macrocosmic sense but in the microcosmic sense,  this other self is compensating for a lack of self worth by attempting to disrupt an otherwise harmonious environment for what? I fail to see the lesson or productivity involved with purposely diverting a subject to turn the attention on to them. 

Not necessarily, that'd be like saying that someone who paints is trying to compensate for a lack of self worth because I don't myself feel the need to paint.  Can be true in some cases but definitely not a worthwhile generalization.

There's as many lessons as there's ways it gets to you.

What you consider harmonious and disharmonious can be perceived differently by another.

The all is one stuff is all fine and dandy but within the confines of 3rd density,  the unity that binds us all is behind the veil. Sure we all know it's still there and exists but other selves have their own issues to deal with other than simply being a mirror for others. In this way,  I feel pity and I guess more sympathy knowing that they are utilizing an immature attempt at attention for the sake of some desperate form of acceptance by collectively being accepted as a troll 

I guess you are free to perceive others as you want within the confines of your veil. Just as preferring to perceive seemingly disharmony within what you know fully well is harmony.

Come on man,  you can give a better analogy than that. The stark difference is that the painter isn't disrupting anything for the sake of entertainment. If the artist,  say,  started painting a mural where a family was trying to take a picture thus disrupting the moment by their own self interest then yes that would be something. 

Just like a troll does,  they interrupt something for their own personal satisfaction. They infringe upon the moment based off of selfish intentions of causing disharmony. 

As for the last comment,  I am fully aware that in the grand scheme of this creation,  there is harmony. Actually now that I think about it,  the whole all is  harmony would be a trolls best argument and excuse for diverting a subject even though it's for ones personal satisfaction rather than others 

What if part of rhe folks are able to appreciate the troll's deeds, how do you define whether it is harmonious or not?

I don't think trolls need excuses or even anyone altogrther. Perhaps you are pushing on other-selves your own expectations of how one should be?

[Minyatur]

In the same spirit of compassion that you have, I pity those who are unable to appreciate the beautiful and glorious offering of self by other-selves due to their state of imbalance and distortions that are energized in the process, which affects their well being.

All this with in mind that the learn/teaching process of being mirrored by other-selves is a beautiful one despite hardships that can happen in such situations like encountering trolling other-selves.

[Parsons]

My definition of 'trolling' is the act of trying to trick someone to say, do, or believe something the troll knows to be false. I would consider there to be two major subsets of trolling. The first would be someone who is making a light-hearded jest between friends.

The second is someone who is genuinely trying to wound someone in an attempt to seek gratification and (normally) to get attention from a crowd. This person is typically acting out past or present frustration in an anonymity because they are in a situation where they can't express how annoyed or how stupid they find someone to be 'in real life'. Eg, someone working in a retail or fast food workplace dealing with angry, self-important, and stupid customer yelling at them.

It may be a word that (ironically) is being overused by some. But I'm not going to stop using it in appropriate situations. I mean, you could ressurect the term 'gas-lighting', as it has a very similar definition.

[isis]

People on B4 have posted that they think this guy trolls for posting things like this:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid199112

but where they see trolling I just see innocence - someone feeling compelled share their honest opinion even though they know others might not like it.

The majority of the time when I come across someone calling someone a troll I feel like they're just calling them that to hurt them.

[Nicholas]

The majority of the time when I come across someone calling someone a troll I feel like they're just calling them that to hurt them.

I have personally never liked the word to describe people that wish to sabotage a discussion. Its derogatory and reminds me of words like 'shrill' or 'quack'. I see it as an attempt to marginalise and supress such behaviours rather than seeking to understand the reasons behind it. I have found that silence or non correspondence is the most effective solution because any kind of attention seems so enable "trolls" for the most part. If I feel I can understand the motives behind the behaviour then I will sensitively question them in an attempt to lesson their divisive and charged communication, by using non divisive and non charged language. More often than not though I simply ignore it. The comments on you tube and face book pages are glaringly unproductive at times and I think, "well if that's where they want to be, leave them to it."   

I was scanning through archived episodes of In The Now radio shows today and funnily enough came across one where I feel the person calling in had no intention of asking honest questions. Rather they seemed bent on arguing about the concept of free will and what Ra meant when they used the term. He also took the opportunity to plug his own book. It got Jim's back up a tiny bit imo! But on the whole I think the crew handled it beautifully.

About 14.56 minutes into the show to be precise...http://www.blogtalkradio.com/llresearch/...a-and-crew

[Minyatur]

People on B4 have posted that they think this guy trolls for posting things like this:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid199112

but where they see trolling I just see innocence - someone feeling compelled share their honest opinion even though they know others might not like it.

Definitely not trolling.

The majority of the time when I come across someone calling someone a troll I feel like they're just calling them that to hurt them.

I'd be happy to be called as such when not intending to troll.

[isis]

I'd be happy to be called as such when not intending to troll.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I do think that the word "troll" itself is a bit misused, but I think the discussion can be broadened a bit by talking about the simple assumption that someone is intending harm, disharmony, confusion, or anything "negative" like that, rather than there simply being a misunderstanding, difference of opinion, or difference in communication styles, as you are pointing out isis. Attributing malice is a great way to create a conflict where there wasn't before. And of course it can be much more complicated - in any given unique situation, a person may unconsciously be emotionally charged and lash out in subtle ways that might be considered "trolling," but they are at heart a good person experiencing some emotional turmoil who would otherwise not be "trolling."

We discussed this somewhat in designing the guidelines for the restructuring. In a Law of One community, the term "troll" could easily be replaced with "service to self." So we included a guideline clarifying this and asking people to assume other members are on a positive path, rather than quickly jump to label others as service to self. I think the same thing could apply to "troll" or any other term that assumes another person's intent.

That's not to say the internet doesn't have its share of trolls. But within this little bubble of Bring4th, it's quite a rare thing I think.

I was scanning through archived episodes of In The Now radio shows today and funnily enough came across one where I feel the person calling in had no intention of asking honest questions. Rather they seemed bent on arguing about the concept of free will and what Ra meant when they used the term. He also took the opportunity to plug his own book. It got Jim's back up a tiny bit imo! But on the whole I think the crew handled it beautifully.

About 14.56 minutes into the show to be precise...http://www.blogtalkradio.com/llresearch/...a-and-crew

Ah, my favorite episode

We were quite flustered, as when we tune for the show and get into the mindset, we are never preparing for an argument, debate, or defense of our beliefs. A bit of the opposite, really, as we seek to serve in union and harmony. I think debate is quite healthy and good but we were not at all prepared for a call like that, and it definitely seemed like he had ax to grind, didn't it? Funny though, this is a great example of the discussion at large - judging by that one show, one could jump to many conclusions about him and his intentions. Truth is, we've had correspondence with him outside of that one show, and he's a very nice and intelligent guy. My guess is that he maybe misjudged the tone of the show and we were caught off-guard, and contrasting his approach with our being flustered, it leaves a bit of a bad taste.

Thanks for the compliment though

[Jeremy]

I completely agree with Austin. There's a distinct difference between a simple misunderstanding due to semantics or the lack of visually seeing ones tone of voice and facial expressions and someone purposely attempting to sabotage a discussion.

As he said, it's extremely rare here. I'd wager to say that many who do not understand Gemini would peg him as trolling when it's actually just open hearted albeit tangentially comments here and there. We've come to realize this and love him even more for it.

I myself have been guilty of such trolling and I'll admit to that here. Especially during a rather turbulent period o my life where I sought to get a ride out of some here simply because I perceived a lack of honest discussion due what I considered coddling going on. So I'm far from innocent in this matter.

But I have seen times where such an odd and seemingly unrelated comment thrown here and there from what I can only see as an attempt at attention because some don't really have anything of genuine value to contribute just for the sake at some attempt of comedic value. That's all well and good to a point and I adore the lighthearted nature that we can approach a discussion. It just warrants a but of tact sometimes. Knowing when to inject that comedy is a touchy subject that I agree with is an art. But to purposely attempt to derail a subject? Well that's another matter.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks for your honesty Jeremy.

[Minyatur]

I completely agree with Austin. There's a distinct difference between a simple misunderstanding due to semantics or the lack of visually seeing ones tone of voice and facial expressions and someone purposely attempting to sabotage a discussion.

As he said,  it's extremely rare here. I'd wager to say that many who do not understand Gemini would peg him as trolling when it's actually just open hearted albeit tangentially comments here and there. We've come to realize this and love him even more for it.

I myself have been guilty of such trolling and I'll admit to that here. Especially during a rather turbulent period o my life where I sought to get a ride out of some here simply because I perceived a lack of honest discussion due what I considered coddling going on. So I'm far from innocent in this matter.

But I have seen times where such an odd and seemingly unrelated comment thrown here and there from what I can only see as an attempt at attention because some don't really have anything of genuine value to contribute just for the sake at some attempt of comedic value. That's all well and good to a point and I adore the lighthearted nature that we can approach a discussion. It just warrants a but of tact sometimes. Knowing when to inject that comedy is a touchy subject that I agree with is an art. But to purposely attempt to derail a subject? Well that's another matter.

Strange how other-selves despite being us can have a different archetypal configuration.

[isis]

Thanks for your honesty Jeremy.

I call him Jerkemy.

Considering that the most common definitions of "trolling" are the ones that have been provided in this thread, I'd wager to say that no one would peg you as trolling.

But to derail a perfectly good and productive conversation by spewing nonsense simply to get a rise out of people is the epitome of immaturity and to be honest,  loneliness. Ones that have no real purpose but to make it all about me me me instead of contributing anything of worth to the discussion.

Like I said,  it's one thing to interject humor into a discussion but to purposely attempt to derail it accomplishes what?

But to purposely attempt to derail a subject? Well that's another matter.

I really don't see what's the big deal about derailing. The thread gets happily split by plenum & then a beautiful new thread is born & he gets to name it & then it often goes great places.

I also highly doubt anyone ever intentionally derails a thread. You seem to think it's always done intentionally by low-life trolls that are unworthy of existence.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

Edit:
Note to Self: Don't post when drunk/hungover

[Minyatur]

People on B4 have posted that they think this guy trolls for posting things like this:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid199112

but where they see trolling I just see innocence - someone feeling compelled share their honest opinion even though they know others might not like it.

The majority of the time when I come across someone calling someone a troll I feel like they're just calling them that to hurt them.

7/10
If you don't wanna be called a troll, don't act like an ass so people won't negate you as such.  Can't say it nicely?  Why would I bother? I listened to similar rhetoric growing up.  Its 2015, you guys can't 'be nice' despite finding something however you find it to provide the facetious attitudes seemingly given?

There's a reason the term troll has become used the way it is.  Its so people who actually troll so hard they then turn around actually begging innocence can still be known for what they are.

It wouldn't have gotten to that state had so many not abused 'trolling' so viciously.

...now then if you'll excuse me, I literally have to go puke. (Because I'm hungover)

If you're an ass to an ass, then there's no more asses, just harmony.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

Ass hole harmony Lol
Naw, More like what did I just type right before my stomach flipped on me.  I'm totally sure my being trolled lot just makes me bitter to crudeness as I mis/perceive it and.

I'll get back to you onn this...  in a few hours.
Didn't tealize I was still drunk when i woke up lol

[isis]

Edit:
Note to Self: Don't post when drunk/hungover

Miny quoted it. :)