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[earth_spirit]

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[Patrick]

Some LOO quotes on the subject.

84.22 Questioner: Before the veil, were there— Let me put it this way: Did the Logos, or did most Logoi plan before the veil to create a system of random sexual activity or specific pairing of entities for periods of time, or did they have an objective in this respect?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The harvest from the previous creation was that which included the male and female mind/body/spirit. It was the intention of the original Logoi that entities mate with one another in any fashion which caused a greater polarization. It was determined, after observation of the process of many Logoi, that polarization increased many fold if the mating were not indiscriminate. Consequent Logoi thusly preserved a bias towards the mated relationship which is more characteristic of more disciplined personalities and of what you may call higher densities. The free will of each entity, however, was always paramount and a bias only could be offered.

86.20 Questioner: Will you do this?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes. Let us deal with the sexual energy transfer. Before the veiling such a transfer was always possible due to there being no shadow upon the grasp of the nature of the body and its relationship to other mind/body/spirits in this particular manifestation. Before the veiling process there was a near total lack of the use of this sexual energy transfer beyond green ray.

This also was due to the same unshadowed knowledge each had of each. There was, in third density then, little purpose to be seen in the more intensive relationships of mind, body, and spirit which you may call those of the mating process, since each other-self was seen to be the Creator and no other-self seemed to be more the Creator than another.

After the veiling process it became infinitely more difficult to achieve green-ray energy transfer due to the great areas of mystery and unknowing concerning the body complex and its manifestations. However, also due to the great shadowing of the manifestations of the body from the conscious mind complex, when such energy transfer was experienced it was likelier to provide catalyst which caused a bonding of self with other-self in a properly polarized configuration.

From this point it was far more likely that higher energy transfers would be sought by this mated pair of mind/body/spirit complexes, thus allowing the Creator to know Itself with great beauty, solemnity, and wonder. Intelligent infinity having been reached by this sacramental use of this function of the body, each mind/body/spirit complex of the mated pair gained greatly in polarization and in ability to serve.

83.3 Questioner: Thank you. I’m going to ask a rather long, complex question and I would request that the answer to each portion of this question be given if there was a significant difference prior to the veil than following the veil so that I can get an idea of how what we experience now is used for better polarization.

What was the difference before the veil in the following while incarnate in third density: sleep, dreams, physical pain, mental pain, sex, disease, catalyst programming, random catalyst, relationships, and communication with the Higher Self or with the mind/body/spirit totality or any other mind, body, or spirit functions before the veil that would be significant with respect to their difference after the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, let us establish that both before and after the veil the same conditions existed in time/space; that is, the veiling process is a space/time phenomenon.

Secondly, the character of experience was altered drastically by the veiling process. In some cases such as the dreaming and the contact with the Higher Self, the experience was quantitatively different due to the fact that the veiling is a primary cause of the value of dreams and is also the single door against which the Higher Self must stand awaiting entry. Before veiling, dreams were not for the purpose of using the so-called unconscious to further utilize catalyst but were used to learn/teach from teach/learners within the inner planes as well as those of outer origins of higher density. As you deal with each subject of which you spoke you may observe, during the veiling process, not a quantitative change in the experience but a qualitative one.

Let us, as an example, choose your sexual activities of energy transfer. If you have a desire to treat other subjects in detail please query forthwith. In the instance of the sexual activity of those not dwelling within the veiling each activity was a transfer. There were some transfers of strength. Most were rather attenuated in the strength of the transfer due to the lack of veiling.

In the third density entities are attempting to learn the ways of love. If it can be seen that all are one being it becomes much more difficult for the undisciplined personality to choose one mate and, thereby, initiate itself into a program of service. It is much more likely that the sexual energy will be dissipated more randomly without either great joy or great sorrow depending from these experiences.

Therefore, the green-ray energy transfer, being almost without exception the case in sexual energy transfer prior to veiling, remains weakened and without significant crystallization. The sexual energy transfers and blockages after veiling have been discussed previously. It may be seen to be a more complex study but one far more efficient in crystallizing those who seek the green-ray energy center.

[earth_spirit]

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[Minyatur]

Avoiding bloodbaths perhaps.

On a side note. I am in a train and I bought a vaporizer 2 days ago, so I was wondering is there any good reason I cannot vape weed in the train since it is not smoke in itself. As I found no reasons not to, I got high in the train.

Bottomline of the story, there is no actual rule but the drive of one's desires.

[Minyatur]

@Patrick; thanks for the effort.

I suppose the answer to my question as inferred from these Ra quotes would be:

"it increases the likelihood of stronger polarization"

Is that all?

Is that not the entire point of this Creation?

As this kind of implies more passionate and vivid relationships, what could be better than that?

[earth_spirit]

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[Minyatur]

Avoiding bloodbaths perhaps.

There is something very sinister in linking lovemaking with bloodbaths.

The implications are painful to me.

Well sorry about that I guess.

As this kind of implies more passionate and vivid relationships, what could be better than that?

You could have a passionate and vivid relationship with one person, or multiple people.

Well of course. I was talking within the context of polarity. If it was known that a bias such as this allowed greater polarization to occur, then that means it created a more passionate and vivid experience.

[earth_spirit]

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[Stranger]

Polarization is the soul's primary goal. The veil introduces a wide variety of superficial goals which we take very seriously, but the soul couldn't care less about. The soul would not give up polarity for anything.

Mated relationships require two people to find a way to live together in harmony, through all kinds of challenging catalyst from each other and the world. They are like the sand that creates the pearl through friction. With indiscriminate mating, it is far easier to react to disharmony not by taking the issue seriously and working on it (i.e., polarizing), but by leaving and having another relationship with a new partner. Aside from the damage to children, it's another problem with the epidemic of divorce we are experiencing. The depths of intimacy and emotion in a committed monogamous relationship are also very difficult to replicate with multiple partners.

[Patrick]

@Patrick; thanks for the effort.

I suppose the answer to my question as inferred from these Ra quotes would be:

"it increases the likelihood of stronger polarization"

Is that all?

Yep.  At least where 3rd density is concerned, it's all about polarization (making the Choice).  

But there is also this part that I like most and also happens to be what I experience in my relationship: "...allowing the Creator to know Itself with great beauty, solemnity, and wonder..."

Of course it's possible that someone may be able to experience all this with many partners at once, but it's not for me.  I can't see myself entering into this kind of "program of service" with many people at the same time.

[Night Owl]

There is litterally nothing holding you from doing what you want with anybody, not even polarity, as long as things evolve with freedom of choice and expression of both parties in a positive way. And you will find more than enough people willing to experience such interactions. Though I think if you meet your twin flame, you will feel the enormous amount of polarity involved in such a relationship and find any other kind of mating irrelevant and futile.

That's only a personal opinion but the difference might be in the chakras involved. I think a twin flame relationship has the power to use every chakras where casual mating is likely to use only the lower ones. It may also be because twin flames vibrate at a much higher frequency and will bring you closer to unity and the creator where a casual mating partner will likely focus on the obvious seperation that occurs on earth.

[earth_spirit]

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[Stranger]

One of the worst crimes against children is the institution of marriage itself.

Actually, children do best in stable and loving relationships, and there is conclusive evidence that children experience psychological harm when their parents split up. All the guidelines about how to handle divorce appropriately are only intended to reduce that damage to the extent possible. It destroys their sense of safety and stability, for one thing. Just Google it and you'll find the details.

Similarly, children in two-parent homes tend to do far better than children from one-parent homes. Again, we're talking about averages and case-by-case circumstances differ, but the overall picture is unambiguous.

It's always helpful to distinguish between opinions and facts.

[Jade]

On the flip side, the sort of catalyst resulting from an open relationship (jealousy, insecurity and whatnot) can not be replicated with a single partner.

I don't think this is true. It's a different type of jealousy, but I think many, if not most mated relationships experience jealousy at some point. In fact, monogamy is what causes jealousy - if everyone was polygamous and okay with it, how would jealousy be created?

I think you are right that Ra's gist is that monogamy creates more catalyst. 3rd density has been refined for eons and the veil has been thoroughly trialed and errored as well as other archetypical biases of the Logos to create the proper level of dynamic tension. The "mated pair" is important, in fact, to this Logos - just take a look at the archetype cards! The whole concept of polarity is presented as dedicating yourself to courting your mate, whether it be STO or STS. The fact is, the act of sacrifice/letting go is important - for instance, to offer as a service to someone, that you will pursue only them romantically, and release the possibilities of pursuing others - metaphysically, this service has a great charge.

Ra refers to sacrifice as "that which can only be gained by the losing". I can understand the appeal and desire of polygamy, but I also have one of those mated relationships where it's quite obvious to me that we've spent lifetimes refining our love for one another, and I can imagine any apparent sacrifice I've made along this path has been worth it. Ra calls it a "jewel dearly bought".

[earth_spirit]

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[Jade]

Yes, but you should also try to understand that you are worthy of another person wanting to dedicate themselves whole-heartedly to you, as well, without it being an obligation or an infringement upon them. I think that's the whole point: For two people to willingly come together, and in that process become a whole entity that is greater than the sum of its parts.

[Night Owl]

Not everybody comes here with one but it is the nature of the soul like everything else to be a duality. If you ever have such an encounter you will know it instantly as there will be no seperation between you. The thing is it is not always the purpose of those relationship to be like disney movies. It is more likely to be about spiritual gravity and catalyst than eternal bliss. It is like meeting yourself without any boundaries but with a focus on the opposite energies and archetypes. That is by far the most powerful catalyst one can experience. I think that most twin flames don't actually end up together but the encounter is worth everything else.

[Patrick]

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I feel strongly about monogamy, for reasons that I can not explain. Polarization seems like a mundane reason to me. If mated relationship is but a superficial tool only intended by Logoi to help us make the Choice, then I see no reason to get sentimental about "romance" (whatever that means) or sexual exclusivity for its own sake.

Absolute clarity has a way of extinguishing sentimentality.

The practical result of this discussion might be a relationship where I my restrict passions to a single partner who sleeps around. I can not in good faith compel him to be exclusive to me.

I do not understand why I want someone to be exclusive to me.
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It's not that it is intended just to help us make the Choice per se.  Rather, it is third density itself that is all about polarization or I should say that it is all about learning the lessons of Love.

Personally, I am not asking my partner to be exclusive to me.  But she does ask it of me and I must admit that I find it easy to respect her wishes on this.  Yes I am attracted to other people from time to time, and I am sure she is as well, but truly I prefer keeping my passion just for her and concentrate it all in our relationship.  On her side, if she is having sex with other people, it really is not affecting our relationship so far (10 years strong).

So in this sense, sexual exclusivity is not for its own sake.  I see true beauty in it and I see the sacramental nature of it.  Casual sex with others would be entertaining I'm sure, but I can't see this adding any real value to my life.  At the same time, I do not see how my partner having sex with others would remove anything from what we have.

I can only suggest to always clarify these things at the beginning of a relationship, because the perspective on what it means to be exclusive can surprisingly vary a lot from people to people and it seems most people assume that this stuff is evident for everybody when truly it is not.

[upensmoke]

from a practical view any value you can find in monogamy, you can find in non-monogamy. I think it's just a choice of the path you want to walk.

From personal experience my girlfriend allows me to pursue other woman, and through that freedom i just realized how much more i love her than other woman

[Stranger]

t the same time, I do not see how my partner having sex with others would remove anything from what we have.

Sex is energy exchange. Each partner transfers his/her energy to the other. Depending on how polluted a casual partner's energy is, it can make one physically sick. We can pick up astral thought-form parasites from them, of which physical STDs are an analog. IN a committed relationship, we know "where the other person has been". In a casual sex situation, we often have no idea what we are about to get flooded with.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't really like sex with humans. I am gay, but even that doesn't satisfy me when I think about it.

[Glow]

Isn't there something in LOO that states monogamy is more reflective of higher density where mates are chosen that harmonize with you. Not sure precisely if that's strict monogamy but it certainly isn't random hook ups or lust based flings.

I can't find it but also through out LOO sexual energy exchange is explained as a way to open higher rays. To do that requires it be love based. In 3D that is much more likely in a committed relationship based on love. Not sure if monohamy or poly but lust hook ups aren't likely to get you there

[Glow]

To add to that I guess it would depend on your level of heart centered awareness. Myself being very open hearted and without much of the current societal mental programming I've only ever met one man I fully resonate with.


On the other hand if one resonates at a level of the masses perhaps almost anyone could suit them sexually and energetically.

[AnthroHeart]

Isn't there something in LOO that states monogamy is more reflective of higher density where mates are chosen that harmonize with you. Not sure precisely if that's strict monogamy but it certainly isn't random hook ups or lust based flings.

I can't find it but also through out LOO sexual energy exchange is explained as a way to open higher rays. To do that requires it be love based. In 3D that is much more likely in a committed relationship based on love. Not sure if monohamy or poly but lust hook ups aren't likely to get you there

I wonder like in 6D if there is less variety and more unity, and that anyone can potentially be a mate for anyone, being that everyone is light.

[Jade]

Isn't there something in LOO that states monogamy is more reflective of higher density where mates are chosen that harmonize with you. Not sure precisely if that's strict monogamy but it certainly isn't random hook ups or lust based flings.

I can't find it but also through out LOO sexual energy exchange is explained as a way to open higher rays. To do that requires it be love based. In 3D that is much more likely in a committed relationship based on love. Not sure if monohamy or poly but lust hook ups aren't likely to get you there

84.22 Questioner: Before the veil, were there— Let me put it this way: Did the Logos, or did most Logoi plan before the veil to create a system of random sexual activity or specific pairing of entities for periods of time, or did they have an objective in this respect?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The harvest from the previous creation was that which included the male and female mind/body/spirit. It was the intention of the original Logoi that entities mate with one another in any fashion which caused a greater polarization. It was determined, after observation of the process of many Logoi, that polarization increased many fold if the mating were not indiscriminate. Consequent Logoi thusly preserved a bias towards the mated relationship which is more characteristic of more disciplined personalities and of what you may call higher densities. The free will of each entity, however, was always paramount and a bias only could be offered.

from a practical view any value you can find in monogamy, you can find in non-monogamy. I think it's just a choice of the path you want to walk.


From personal experience my girlfriend allows me to pursue other woman, and through that freedom i just realized how much more i love her than other woman

I think it is specifically the act of the sexual energy transfer, and the act of using that energy transfer specifically between two monogamous entities that carries the real powerful charge that Ra speaks of. Having lots of green ray sex is wonderful, too, but having a dedicated relationship where all the sexual energy goes into the -twosome- I believe is where the point lies in the power of two coming together in dedication. Obviously it's not for everyone and I'm not even recommending it necessarily, just that I believe it has to do with the mechanics of the sexual energy transfer - if you're only having that experience with one person, the sum of the experience of the two mated entities will be greater than if you are sharing it with multiple people. I just mean it literally. You can either put all of your money in one bank account, or multiple bank accounts. If you are "depositing" in the same place each time, it's going to be the most "valuable".