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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters How to Sabotage a Philosophy

    Thread: How to Sabotage a Philosophy


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    06-21-2016, 09:12 PM
    A fail-proof plan to sabotage a movement or philosophy.

    1. Know your enemy's weakness. This may be discerned by what they perceive themselves to need. Find the desire that is not being met, because this will be your hinge point. The most effective desires to capitalize upon are those that stem from personal insecurity- the desire for attention, belonging, purpose and validation. It is wise to avoid focusing on obvious derangements this early in the game, as your central pawns must retain a reasonable level of credibility for the strategy to be effective. 

    2. Know your enemy's philosophy. It is far easier to attack a person from within their own belief system than to present yourself as an overt opposition. Particularly, understand the mimetic language of the philosophy- the symbols and jargon that repeat, reinforce and define the overall belief system, as this language will be your primary tool. It is also advisable to have a grasp of which parts of the archetypal consciousness are most stimulated by a particular belief- the points where the roots converge.

    3. Offer your enemy what they need, clothed in the jargon of their philosophy. Let us use the example of a sensitive, spiritual individual who feels alienated within the confines of a cold, capitalist society. You need not even provide them with real inclusion, merely the idea of belonging. Offer them a construct of special status. Convince them that their alienation is a quality of rarity and specialness, beholden to some greater purpose, and that others of their kind are waiting to welcome them. Be sure to utilize their own jargon. Angels, aliens and mythological races are all good places to start- you've got nearly endless choices, depending on the individual's personal biases, so long as they feel built up and empowered by the sating of their desire.

    In some cases it is more efficacious to offer the person a concept to follow. Someone who feels oppressed due to a particular difference will almost effortlessly identify with those willing to show them empathy. They will be far more likely to follow orders that go against their own internal understandings if they believe it is within the context of the cause they find to be important. In this case you are creating a veritable political army instead of a spiritual cult, but the end result is the same- the enslavement of the individual to their own ideals.

    Once you have monopolized the fulfillment of their core desires, you control the pleasure centers in their brain. 

    4. Once your manipulation of the individual's desires has been firmly established, and they lean upon your ideals for personal happiness, provide that happiness with what seems to be an all-consuming threat. At this point, the individual should be so dependent on the seed you planted that any threat to the seed idea is seen as a threat to their personal happiness- a denial of the drug you've made them addicted to. If you have formed a spiritual cult, create a demonic entity whose singular goal is the oppression of the cult. If you've created a political or social movement, raise up a puppet of opposing ideals so stereotypical and ignorant that their very existence will be gazed upon in horror. If the individual's focus is wider or more generalized, create a conspiracy theory and circulate it rabidly. It is especially useful if the enemy of one victim can be made into the savior of another, in which case the opposing factions (both manipulated by your hand) can be pitted against each other with almost no effort at all.

    5. Capitalize on the irrationality created by fear. Social media is your best friend at this stage, as it is one of the most effective mediums for circulating mimetic ideas- exclamations of facetious derision repeated until they become a part of the collective unconscious. The goal is to get your target to act perpetually out of a knee-jerk perspective, due to feeling perpetually threatened. It is easy to fan the flames of anger, division and misunderstanding when the victim believes everything is on the line. If successful, the target will become triggered at any mention of the topic of interest and respond on a near-subconscious level that exceeds logic and empathy. These types of responses can easily be guided in any direction you please, so long as you are capable of maintaining the appearance of the trusted confidant to the individual in question. 

    6. When the individual's original ideals have been completely inverted- when unity has turned to division, compassion to anger, humbleness to elitism, reveal the individual's/the movement's hypocrisy to the entire world with all ruthlessness. Now is the time to draw attention to and exaggerate any eccentricities or derangements your target possesses. Abandon all support and pull the rug out from under everything you've built up within them; at this point they will be unable to stand on their own. You need only do this to a few key individuals within any given group, though managing to circulate the effect widely is all the more powerful. At this point the individual/group will collapse in on themselves, reflexively clinging to their broken ideals in an attempt to plug the hole you have ripped in their perspective, reacting in defensive anger to any challenge and utterly destroying any and all credibility. In this way you will have entirely hijacked one cause and turned it into another, and those who would once have opposed the ways of fear and control have unwittingly become your soldiers. Those who fight the hardest for change become its staunchest preventors. 
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    06-22-2016, 09:29 AM
    (06-21-2016, 09:12 PM)Reaper Wrote: A fail-proof plan to sabotage a movement or philosophy.

    1. Know your enemy's weakness. This may be discerned by what they perceive themselves to need. Find the desire that is not being met, because this will be your hinge point. The most effective desires to capitalize upon are those that stem from personal insecurity- the desire for attention, belonging, purpose and validation. It is wise to avoid focusing on obvious derangements this early in the game, as your central pawns must retain a reasonable level of credibility for the strategy to be effective. 

    2. Know your enemy's philosophy. It is far easier to attack a person from within their own belief system than to present yourself as an overt opposition. Particularly, understand the mimetic language of the philosophy- the symbols and jargon that repeat, reinforce and define the overall belief system, as this language will be your primary tool. It is also advisable to have a grasp of which parts of the archetypal consciousness are most stimulated by a particular belief- the points where the roots converge.

    3. Offer your enemy what they need, clothed in the jargon of their philosophy. Let us use the example of a sensitive, spiritual individual who feels alienated within the confines of a cold, capitalist society. You need not even provide them with real inclusion, merely the idea of belonging. Offer them a construct of special status. Convince them that their alienation is a quality of rarity and specialness, beholden to some greater purpose, and that others of their kind are waiting to welcome them. Be sure to utilize their own jargon. Angels, aliens and mythological races are all good places to start- you've got nearly endless choices, depending on the individual's personal biases, so long as they feel built up and empowered by the sating of their desire.

    In some cases it is more efficacious to offer the person a concept to follow. Someone who feels oppressed due to a particular difference will almost effortlessly identify with those willing to show them empathy. They will be far more likely to follow orders that go against their own internal understandings if they believe it is within the context of the cause they find to be important. In this case you are creating a veritable political army instead of a spiritual cult, but the end result is the same- the enslavement of the individual to their own ideals.

    Once you have monopolized the fulfillment of their core desires, you control the pleasure centers in their brain. 

    4. Once your manipulation of the individual's desires has been firmly established, and they lean upon your ideals for personal happiness, provide that happiness with what seems to be an all-consuming threat. At this point, the individual should be so dependent on the seed you planted that any threat to the seed idea is seen as a threat to their personal happiness- a denial of the drug you've made them addicted to. If you have formed a spiritual cult, create a demonic entity whose singular goal is the oppression of the cult. If you've created a political or social movement, raise up a puppet of opposing ideals so stereotypical and ignorant that their very existence will be gazed upon in horror. If the individual's focus is wider or more generalized, create a conspiracy theory and circulate it rabidly. It is especially useful if the enemy of one victim can be made into the savior of another, in which case the opposing factions (both manipulated by your hand) can be pitted against each other with almost no effort at all.

    5. Capitalize on the irrationality created by fear. Social media is your best friend at this stage, as it is one of the most effective mediums for circulating mimetic ideas- exclamations of facetious derision repeated until they become a part of the collective unconscious. The goal is to get your target to act perpetually out of a knee-jerk perspective, due to feeling perpetually threatened. It is easy to fan the flames of anger, division and misunderstanding when the victim believes everything is on the line. If successful, the target will become triggered at any mention of the topic of interest and respond on a near-subconscious level that exceeds logic and empathy. These types of responses can easily be guided in any direction you please, so long as you are capable of maintaining the appearance of the trusted confidant to the individual in question. 

    6. When the individual's original ideals have been completely inverted- when unity has turned to division, compassion to anger, humbleness to elitism, reveal the individual's/the movement's hypocrisy to the entire world with all ruthlessness. Now is the time to draw attention to and exaggerate any eccentricities or derangements your target possesses. Abandon all support and pull the rug out from under everything you've built up within them; at this point they will be unable to stand on their own. You need only do this to a few key individuals within any given group, though managing to circulate the effect widely is all the more powerful. At this point the individual/group will collapse in on themselves, reflexively clinging to their broken ideals in an attempt to plug the hole you have ripped in their perspective, reacting in defensive anger to any challenge and utterly destroying any and all credibility. In this way you will have entirely hijacked one cause and turned it into another, and those who would once have opposed the ways of fear and control have unwittingly become your soldiers. Those who fight the hardest for change become its staunchest preventors. 

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    06-22-2016, 09:33 AM
    Did you get this from a cia hand book on subversion
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    06-22-2016, 10:24 AM
    (06-22-2016, 09:33 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Did you get this from a   cia hand book on subversion

    lol

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    06-23-2016, 06:01 AM
    (06-22-2016, 09:33 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Did you get this from a cia hand book on subversion

    That's both flattering and humorous. I wrote it myself. If you have a hunter laying traps in the forest, knowing the mind of the hunter is a more efficient way of ensuring personal safety than searching for each trap individually. 

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    06-23-2016, 06:50 AM
    Since an explanation of this post is being requested of me by the moderators, I will elaborate.

    Pointing the finger at supposed negative individuals or groups in the world is a great way of raising paranoia and a bad way of protecting oneself from what they do. Researching how subversion and mind control actually work allow them to be side-stepped easily, regardless of who is instigating the technique.

    The technique I described above is used all over the world, both individually and at large, and it is very, very effective. It looms over the media industry and saturates nearly every aspect of our culture.

    Most the the time, the technique is not remotely resisted because those effected do not realize they are effected. Because it infects its victim in the clothes of their own philosophy, it can use the strength of their own beliefs against them. The only way for it to be truly negated is for it to be widely recognized.

    I suffered under the effects of mental conditioning for many years, and was used to do things I would never have willingly participated in had I understood what was truly going on. I only understood and believed this reality when I was given the exact formula for what was done to me, without pretense. My experience involved techniques more specific than those listed above, but the core precepts are the same.

    I felt it would be more effective to show the technique from its own perspective than to cloak it within my emotional context. Me screaming that "the neggies are brainwashing people" produces far less understanding than simply showing how they do it, but I have obviously made someone uncomfortable with this post. Next time I will give a preface or attempt to wrap my words in more palatable garments.
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    06-23-2016, 08:28 AM
    (06-23-2016, 06:01 AM)Reaper Wrote:
    (06-22-2016, 09:33 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Did you get this from a cia hand book on subversion

    That's both flattering and humorous. I wrote it myself. If you have a hunter laying traps in the forest, knowing the mind of the hunter is a more efficient way of ensuring personal safety than searching for each trap individually. 
    Hi reaper, it was a legitimate question and a bit of a joke. And yes you make legitimate point. You see it played out in a few places including u.s.a. I just didn't see any relevance in a forum like this. Unless you can see something that others can't. I can understand how easy it would be to instigate such a thing. But I think most seekers of a truth would see what was happening. Thats most not all. I allso think and hope the people of l/l aren't that brainwashed by mass media that they believe all the stuff they read and realize it's going on in places. But still I missed the relevance of posting it here. I think you have a very interesting mind and some of the things you have posted quite good reading and I've enjoyed reading them. It was well written and well thought out.( I thought I'd through in a complement because I would not like to get on the wrong side of such an intelligent STS.)
    Walk well other self
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    06-23-2016, 10:56 AM (This post was last modified: 06-23-2016, 10:57 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    (06-23-2016, 06:50 AM)Reaper Wrote: Pointing the finger at supposed negative individuals or groups in the world is a great way of raising paranoia and a bad way of protecting oneself from what they do.

    This is an excellent point that I wish more people would grok. Those who seek to profit from fear therefore profit from being feared. All one really has to do is look at any of the many so-called "conspiracy theory" websites online, and see how nearly all of them are spiraling inwards to the depths of a paranoia that basically has no limits. They come to see enemies everywhere, to the point they cannot even recognize friends. (Or else become so tribally-minded that they define friends solely by "those saying the same things as me.") Once that happens, they are effectively neutralized in terms of having any positive effect, and very often end up causing many negative effects specifically because they are internalizing and reflecting the negativity they perceive to be all around them.

    Or put more simply, whenever one screams about the "Illuminati" or whatever poorly-defined shadowy group they fear, all they're doing is giving that group free advertising. That they rarely manage to correctly identify their foes is merely icing on the cake, to the fearmongers.

    I know it's cheesy to quote Star Wars, but there's much truth in Yoda's line about fear leading to anger, hate, and suffering.
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    06-23-2016, 11:10 AM
    Quote:Hi reaper, it was a legitimate question and a bit of a joke. And yes you make legitimate point. You see it played out in a few places including u.s.a. I just didn't see any relevance in a forum like this. 
    I can see how my tone or choice of writing technique could come off as questionable, but I don't see how the relevance of the topic itself is unclear. Even if I thought this forum was completely impervious to subversion, it is a discussion of one of the many manifestations of polarity, and provides seekers a way to view and contemplate polarity in action. 


    Quote:Unless you can see something that others can't. I can understand how easy it would be to instigate such a thing. But I think most seekers of a truth would see what was happening. Thats most not all. I allso think and hope the people of l/l aren't that brainwashed by mass media that they believe all the stuff they read and realize it's going on in places. 

    I find the opposite to be true. This opinion comes from studying and observing this particular technique in action for many years in a variety of different groups and movements, some of them spiritual, some political, some purely social, along with my own personal experience. I find it to be a pattern so obvious, so artfully laid out in the most public parts of our lives, that if often simply goes unnoticed, the way you often fail to notice the specifics of your surroundings when those surroundings are familiar. It is certainly not my place to gauge your personal awareness, or how you may or may not have been personally effected, but in my own experience I've seen this sort of thing happen enough to think that ardent spiritual seekers are some of the most effected individuals on the planet, as passion, while a great asset, is one of the easiest emotions to manipulate. 


    Quote:( I thought I'd through in a complement because I would not like to get on the wrong side of such an intelligent STS.)


    If you perceive me as STS that is also both flattering and humorous. I've made a point of trying to understand negative wisdom, and I have a bit of a stick up my arse, but I have far too much empathy to seek harm upon others. This was merely an attempt to illuminate a topic I personally found valuable, though it seems to be a bit of a flop. 
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    06-23-2016, 04:43 PM
    (06-23-2016, 11:10 AM)Reaper Wrote:
    Quote:Hi reaper, it was a legitimate question and a bit of a joke. And yes you make legitimate point. You see it played out in a few places including u.s.a. I just didn't see any relevance in a forum like this. 
    I can see how my tone or choice of writing technique could come off as questionable, but I don't see how the relevance of the topic itself is unclear. Even if I thought this forum was completely impervious to subversion, it is a discussion of one of the many manifestations of polarity, and provides seekers a way to view and contemplate polarity in action. 



    Quote:Unless you can see something that others can't. I can understand how easy it would be to instigate such a thing. But I think most seekers of a truth would see what was happening. Thats most not all. I allso think and hope the people of l/l aren't that brainwashed by mass media that they believe all the stuff they read and realize it's going on in places. 

    I find the opposite to be true. This opinion comes from studying and observing this particular technique in action for many years in a variety of different groups and movements, some of them spiritual, some political, some purely social, along with my own personal experience. I find it to be a pattern so obvious, so artfully laid out in the most public parts of our lives, that if often simply goes unnoticed, the way you often fail to notice the specifics of your surroundings when those surroundings are familiar. It is certainly not my place to gauge your personal awareness, or how you may or may not have been personally effected, but in my own experience I've seen this sort of thing happen enough to think that ardent spiritual seekers are some of the most effected individuals on the planet, as passion, while a great asset, is one of the easiest emotions to manipulate. 



    Quote:( I thought I'd through in a complement because I would not like to get on the wrong side of such an intelligent STS.)


    If you perceive me as STS that is also both flattering and humorous. I've made a point of trying to understand negative wisdom, and I have a bit of a stick up my arse, but I have far too much empathy to seek harm upon others. This was merely an attempt to illuminate a topic I personally found valuable, though it seems to be a bit of a flop. 
    My apologies reaper.I allso enjoy reading such topics at times. Not a flop. If it enlightens ones perspective thats not a bad thing. I'mso sorry for referring to you as a STS or as any thing for that matter. I was way out of line. Having a inquiring mind blessing. I'm new here and this is the second time I've apologized to someone. I had better keep some of my attitude in check and read the gidelines again.
    WanderingOZ
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    06-23-2016, 09:04 PM
    Nah, I found it funny. You're fine.
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    06-24-2016, 03:37 PM
    Very well said, Reaper (Yera?) Smile
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    06-24-2016, 08:30 PM (This post was last modified: 06-24-2016, 09:25 PM by WanderingOZ.)
    (06-22-2016, 09:33 AM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Did you get this from a   cia hand book on subversion
    Hey Reaper did you consider I might have been using the tactics in your thread. lol
    ( this IS a joke)

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    06-25-2016, 01:46 AM
    (06-24-2016, 08:30 PM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Hey Reaper did you consider I might have been using the tactics in your thread. lol

    Nope.

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    06-25-2016, 02:33 AM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2016, 06:59 PM by WanderingOZ.)
    (06-25-2016, 01:46 AM)Reaper Wrote:
    (06-24-2016, 08:30 PM)WanderingOZ Wrote: Hey Reaper did you consider I might have been using the tactics in your thread. lol

    Nope.

    lol

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    (06-21-2016, 09:12 PM)Reaper Wrote: A fail-proof plan to sabotage a movement or philosophy.


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    Thank you, R.-- Hee hee! This conceptual framework is just what I need to implement my vast Plot's... crushing endgame!  Bwa-ha-haa!!
    The old one just wasn't cutting it, sophisticated as it was-- temporal standing waves of reframing elements are simply too darn labour-intensive to maintain against notus's cunningly-deployed counter-intelligential IFF RE-net arrays: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awc/...-space.htm

    [Image: Evil-Raccoon-Claps-Mischievously-As-He-P...nation.gif]  Ho, ho! Foolish humans-- today B4th, tomorrow... Broadway!  I mean... the world!! And now-- die letzte Welt philosophischen einschmelzen!!


    [Random scenes metaphorically typifying ensuing planetary ideological chaos sought for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUrAMxmO_A]


    [Image: im_in_ur.jpg][Later] *sigh* Engineered the final world-dominating subversion right at the good ol' commandeered-belief-system/coöption-through-cultification level... and all I got was this lousy t-shirt! 
    I forgot about that pesky Confederation-imposed planetary Law-of-Confusion quarantine on excessively awesomely supernormally-stimulating free-will-suborning displays of diabolically awesome awesomeness in whatever domain, abstract or concrete. Love/light's minions are such wet blankets with their sissy rules of engagement in hyperwar-- plus, they watch like bloody hawks, the nosy busybodies. Just try to have a little recreative beyond-the-pale black-psyop hijinx merely to influence not-friends and defenseless neighbours for fun and profit, and bang! they're on you like a shot, busy being insufferably good and what-not, so as to "restore the cosmic balance"-- ha!-- or some such flummery according to their cockamamie Design. Say, who put them in charge, anyway!? Bunch of pocket-Napoleons, if you ask me. "Free will", indeed! Absurd! We all would think we had "free will" -- if we were predestinedly determined to think that, wouldn't we? Stands to reason. There, I run rings around them logically. Oh well, back to the old evil drawing-board.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STeVTzWelns
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Sm4Wot...92ED0&ind3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObGuiCgfROw


    [Image: stock-vector-religion-of-ancient-egypt-t...013538.jpg]   Cool

    24.8 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question about how the Orion group got in 3,600 years ago. How did they get through the quarantine? Was that a random window effect?

    Ra: I am Ra. At that time this was not entirely so, as there was a proper calling for this information. When there is a mixed calling the window effect is much more put into motion by the ways of the densities.

    The quarantine in this case was, shall we say, not patrolled so closely, due to the lack of strong polarity, the windows thus needing to be very weak in order for penetration. As your harvest approaches, those forces of what you would call light work according to their call. The ones of Orion have the working only according to their call. This calling is in actuality not nearly as great.

    Thus, due to the way of empowering or squares there is much resistance to penetration. Yet free will must be maintained and those desiring negatively oriented information, as you would call it, must then be satisfied by those moving through by the window effect.

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