Hi unity,
Trusting your weekend as as wonderful as mine. Because you've opened up yet again an entirely newer and equally fascinating interpretation, i.e., a new subject, I will allow myself to re-enter the dialog given it is not circular. You have now suggested that 6D in 3D does not graduate individually, but in fact can only graduate by way of the entire SMC graduating. This is an entirely different dialog than was the original single point that 6D wanderers wandering do not need to harvest to return to 6D. Given the Ra etiolated quotes above in my posts that 6D wanderers come here to increase their polarization in 3D to etiolate into higher densities, I interpret this to clearly mean that they do, as Ra states, graduate into the higher etiolated densities they came to 3D for to accomplish. Other than uniquely assisting 3D, this too is very much a reason they come. How do they graduate to the higher densities then but by way of harvesting?
By your newer assumption, we now have the newer conundrum that 6D in 3D only graduates as a whole vs individually, or that they must not etiolate to higher densities, in spite of Ra stating that they do? Interesting.
this is a compliment my friend. Not an injury. You are able to also turn compliments on their head in that you throw them back and take umbrage instead?
One might assume to read the texts less literally and read them more poetically instead. In other words, one may/must make general deductions rather than constricting oneself so narrowly that a deduction is missed or self-hijacked to a false conclusion. 6D in 6D graduates as a whole. Agreed. But a 6D wandering entity that wanders into 3D is no longer part of the whole SMC. It has broken away from the whole. It is now a wandering 6D entity wandering into 3D. 6D in 3D does not not make it a 6D entity any longer. It makes it a 6D wandering entity now a 3D entity that used to be 6D. Thus it is a wanderer (even if it does get lost, or even if does switch polarities).
Thus the distinguishing difference is that you are speaking about apples (6D) and attempting to compare them to oranges (3D). The individual 6D entity takes an individuated chance at great peril to itself, this by breaking away from the Hive Collective of the SMC, and in no way endangers the entire Collective of the SMC. Were your logic correct, then the 5D wanderers who became lost and switched their polarities would have doomed the entire STO SMC Collective to not only being lost in 3D, but also to becoming STS in 4D on graduation. The quotes you have provided above are extremely relevant to the new discussion. Your logic however fails to make the finer distinctions in them.
I see STO 6D more like an STO Hippie Commune in that you can come and go as you please, and even come and go higher, or fall lower, as you please and chance individually. Your definition of 6D and STO wandering in 3D in particular, is rather more like the Mob in that you can't get out. "Ve go as von or ve dont go at all" may be true for the SMC complex as a whole, or more to the point the STS 6D SMC, but not for the individual that chances it alone, at great love, foolhardiness, and risk to self. Wandering is not for the faint of heart.
~ Q ~
Trusting your weekend as as wonderful as mine. Because you've opened up yet again an entirely newer and equally fascinating interpretation, i.e., a new subject, I will allow myself to re-enter the dialog given it is not circular. You have now suggested that 6D in 3D does not graduate individually, but in fact can only graduate by way of the entire SMC graduating. This is an entirely different dialog than was the original single point that 6D wanderers wandering do not need to harvest to return to 6D. Given the Ra etiolated quotes above in my posts that 6D wanderers come here to increase their polarization in 3D to etiolate into higher densities, I interpret this to clearly mean that they do, as Ra states, graduate into the higher etiolated densities they came to 3D for to accomplish. Other than uniquely assisting 3D, this too is very much a reason they come. How do they graduate to the higher densities then but by way of harvesting?
By your newer assumption, we now have the newer conundrum that 6D in 3D only graduates as a whole vs individually, or that they must not etiolate to higher densities, in spite of Ra stating that they do? Interesting.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: let me share this thought :I've answered this more than once. They are lost wanderers, certainly no longer sto if they are sts, but in fact lost wanderers nonetheless, and who lost their polarity and their density. On this point it is truly pointless to quibble over semantics. They are no longer sto. I agreed. They are no longer 5D. I agreed. They became 3D. I agree. They became sts. I agree. They were 5D STO who lost their density and their polarity. Hence they are lost wanderers, but wanderers who became lost. Are they now in 6D not found again given they merged with Ra, and thus not the wanderers who lost their way? Lets move on to a larger point than this.
you are purposefully evading my argument that because those entities have switched polarity and went negative, they cannot be named STO wanderers. not to mention that, after melding with planetary vibrations and adapting to it, they lose numerous conditions that define a wanderer. ie, they have changed, they are not the same entities from before
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: you are doing the same thing regarding polarization, higher densities, and harvests. you are dubbing anything that doesnt suit your viewpoint as 'unity information', and claiming that they contradict what's in the Ra material. however, actually you are either deliberately ignoring, or, have forgotten a lot of important information from that material, on the subject you are talking.Ra said they were wanderers. unity says they're not. Quantum agrees with Ra. unity information is not Ra information.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: 1 - 6d and 4d harvests are a harvest of societal complex. no one can be harvested alone. no wanderer will be able to do anything on this planet, and then go get harvested into 5d or 7d, by themselves, UNLESS their 4d or 6d societal complex is ready for harvest. they have to go join their own societal complex, or any other 4d or 6d societal complex that is going through 4d or 6d harvest, to go through harvest.Here is where it gets interesting again. Your good. Your very good. P.S....
this is a compliment my friend. Not an injury. You are able to also turn compliments on their head in that you throw them back and take umbrage instead?
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#13Perhaps our exercise may now be more fruitful. What now are we to make of the contradictions of 6D wandering to 3D to etiolate to higher densities for the purpose of increasing their "individual polarization to graduate densities individually" versus your said requirement that all of 6D must graduate, even in 3D, as an entire SMC?
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#15
this is not 'unity's information. this is Law of One, densities and harvests, from Ra.
One might assume to read the texts less literally and read them more poetically instead. In other words, one may/must make general deductions rather than constricting oneself so narrowly that a deduction is missed or self-hijacked to a false conclusion. 6D in 6D graduates as a whole. Agreed. But a 6D wandering entity that wanders into 3D is no longer part of the whole SMC. It has broken away from the whole. It is now a wandering 6D entity wandering into 3D. 6D in 3D does not not make it a 6D entity any longer. It makes it a 6D wandering entity now a 3D entity that used to be 6D. Thus it is a wanderer (even if it does get lost, or even if does switch polarities).
Thus the distinguishing difference is that you are speaking about apples (6D) and attempting to compare them to oranges (3D). The individual 6D entity takes an individuated chance at great peril to itself, this by breaking away from the Hive Collective of the SMC, and in no way endangers the entire Collective of the SMC. Were your logic correct, then the 5D wanderers who became lost and switched their polarities would have doomed the entire STO SMC Collective to not only being lost in 3D, but also to becoming STS in 4D on graduation. The quotes you have provided above are extremely relevant to the new discussion. Your logic however fails to make the finer distinctions in them.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: moreover, there is no 6d societal complexes or 4d societal complexes ready on this planet for harvest.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: there are no '6d wanderering requirements of harvest'. this is what you have just put forth, along with 'seeking unique signature of light' concept.The above two posts prove the point. There is no SMC on this planet whatsoever. 6D is in 3D. The 6D entity embodies 3D in every single respect, including no longer being SMC. It is individuated. 6D harvests in 6D as a whole. 6D wanderers in 3D harvest in 3D individually.
6d harvest is a society complex harvest, and cant be done. it doesnt matter where you wander, where you polarize, how much you polarize. 6d harvest will require a 6d society complex ready and going through a harvest.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: hence, a 4d or 6d harvest, cannot happen here. this closes down any kind of harvest possibility for entities ranging from 4d to end of 6d, ie, all the wanderer range incarnating on this planet now.You see your above? You've done it again. It does matter very much where you wonder...I mean wander. You've jumped and drawn characteristics into the equation which are not there, this through what I am naming as literal interpretations which then seemingly blur inner distinctions that are indeed there, but that you seem to be missing. It is agreed that 4D and 6D harvest never happens here. Only 3D harvest happens here. But your logic has entrapped 4D and 6D into being 4D and 6D here in 3D, rather than fully as 3D in 3D, and this conclusion solely as a result of this logic then jumped further by suggesting that as a result there is no harvest for 6D in 3D, all in order to support the error in logic to begin with that 6D is now by your definition an SMC now in 3D. The wanderer in 6D is no longer 6D. It is 3D. It does not harvest as a 6D entity any longer. It harvests as the 3D entity it became. The 6D entity is no longer part of the SMC when it comes to 3D. It comes to 3D individually at great peril to itself. 6D remaining in 6D does harvest as a collective SMC, but 6D re-entering 3D harvests individually in 3D. By harvesting individually in 3D it may harvest to a higher etiolated density as a result, by increasing its polarization in 3D as a result of polarization not being present in higher densities, for which it came to 3D for. Thus a 6D may surpass his original SMC, benefiting itself individually to be sure, as well as 3D to be sue, and perhaps even its original SMC 2ndarily.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: Polarity is not a standard for higher density harvests.http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=47&sc=1&ss=1#WE already have established this. 6D comes to 3D as a result of 3D being the only Polarity game in town. Thus it is agreed that Polarity is not a standard for higher density. But unity, 3D is not higher density. It is 3D. 6D in 3D is in 3D.
Quote:YEP. Thats a whata I beena tryin to say...this based entirely on the Material versus your speculation to the contrary, and this so for any entity in question which necessitates its requirement to find its new signature of light vibration which almost certainly has risen, less sadly it has failed by decreasing, both which require a HARVEST. This definition is the definition of HARVEST = seeking its unique signature of light. This may bar your dilemma as regards any need for polarization wherein your confusion lies.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: you are going and doing what you have been claiming i was doing. you are changing the material.Nope. The material stands. I am not Ra. I don't know squat. I am however able to read. I attempt to do this by attempting to sometimes call a cigar a cigar, and at other times allow what I hope is common sense to prevail. How else but by individuation do you propose that 6D descends into 3D? Does one 6D entity that fails in 3D drag down the whole of 6D? God, I hope not. That would truly suck, not to mention slowing down progress such that creation itself would be a drag, literally, as in "drag" per a physics definition ("sucks" may poetically be implied as physics definition as well). By the same token, does one single 6D entity who wanderers into 3D drag along the entire 6D with its graduation to higher densities. This would be tantamount to a Christian theology concept that you argue so vehemently against, as in Jesus died for my sins, and that because he did, I'm good. Let J.C. do all the work. I'm saved. Or do you propose that the 6D entity in 3D did not either etiloate higher or lower in density, even though Ra stated they do? Allow the flexibility to see this, or remain stuck.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...&sc=1&ss=1#No invention here. Seeking its unique signature of light = stopping at the level of light unable to proceed further as defined.
what harvest means, and how they happen, are clearly defined in the material you are speaking about, as above. what you say is contradicting this. you are inventing your own harvest concept. harvest != seeking its unique signature of light.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: an entity which becomes negatively polarized, and acts without love against other entities and serves self, loses its service to OTHERS status. that is because, it is serving its self. this doesnt even need an explanation, hence, you are giving me the impression that you are just arguing for argument's sake, and doing it as a sport.Covered already. I will however admit that sometimes I have fun, and sometimes do take delight in intellectual dialog, and that yes, sometimes it is sport, but always with the underlying foundation of learning and growing. In my collegiate days of University seeking my Masters and Doctoral degrees, I was always impressed by the plethora of information a professor was able to display until it occurred to me per the Ra vernacular, that they are continually learning by teaching. The best of the best did so by having fun. So yes, sometimes it is sport. You are the rock upon which I sharpen my blade.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: since all 6d wanderers need to be parts of society complexes, and there are 6d entities already wandering into 3d planets for a long time now, and 6d graduation requirement STILL requiring society complex harvest, apparently society complex members are able to act as if individual units. this doesnt even necessitate discussion. yet you threw this as an argument.So they are capable of acting as individual units, but they are not capable of harvesting individually, but they are individuated? "Is you is or is you ain't my Baby?" as Sachamo used to sing. What is 6D in 3D unity? Are they individuated or not? If individuated, they can not Harvest in 3D individually because they are not individuated in 3D as a result of being part of the 6D SMC, even while in 3D? So, if they succeed in their mission of further polarizing in 3D, they don't get to go higher in density and even surpass their original SMC brothers in their original 6D SMC , even tough Ra says they do through successful etiolated efforts, this because 6D Harvests as a Collective, even though in this case the 6D wanderer is in 3D, and in spite of the fact that they are individuated as you agree? I hear Sachamo (Louie Armstrong) singing again.
I see STO 6D more like an STO Hippie Commune in that you can come and go as you please, and even come and go higher, or fall lower, as you please and chance individually. Your definition of 6D and STO wandering in 3D in particular, is rather more like the Mob in that you can't get out. "Ve go as von or ve dont go at all" may be true for the SMC complex as a whole, or more to the point the STS 6D SMC, but not for the individual that chances it alone, at great love, foolhardiness, and risk to self. Wandering is not for the faint of heart.
Quantum Wrote:Your good. Your very good. <----This is me being sincere. This is where I salute you as regards your ability to stretch concepts within the material, but only if you stay within the material. Credit where credit is due. This might be a wonderful separate thread to consider.
(10-02-2010, 04:52 PM)unity100 Wrote: 'you are good. you are very good' and all that .... its as if you are doing a fencing game and appreciating your opponent's quick reflexes or something, than doing an information exchange or think together. i neither appreciate, nor like any of that. its counter productive and unfruitful.You are good at stretching concepts unity. It stimulates thought and dialog. Take a compliment as a compliment as it is meant my friend rather than as the affronts or umbrages you have several times now on several posts and several other threads. I do believe you sometimes restrict the material substantially enough so as to draw one conclusion to another so as to color it enough to pull you off course. Its what I am here for on B4th, we are here for on B4th, you are here on B4th. I have mentioned your penchant to do this on more than one post and on more than one thread. Lets loose it. It takes the fun away. I give you permission to tease and have fun with me too
~ Q ~