07-29-2017, 11:05 AM
I still think we keep putting second density into this box that it shouldn't be in. Ra says that even a rock can become fourth density harvestable - so at any point the "switch" can go from pain to misery/suffering. Holding them into the "pain" corner isn't serving us at all, in my opinion, except to give us a reason to not feel empathy.
I guess I just disagree fundamentally with a lot of the conclusions here. I believe farm animals are high second density. They have been domesticated by humans for thousands of years and are handled by humans almost every day. I do believe they are taking this opportunity at harvest, on our bellicose planet, to potentially harvest third density souls. But this is definitely not an excuse to participate in the system, either. You think this is the only place where we can harvest souls? You think this is how we should be harvesting souls? Obviously this HAS to go away before we can become a fourth density positive planet.
One thing I've been thinking about recently, as far as the difference between killing/torturing plants or animals, is that if you go to a factory where they process tomatoes, that place is gonna smell like tomatoes. When I go to the factory where they process lambs, it smells like DEATH. Unmistakable, the thick smell that you can taste in the air. A ubiquitously repulsive smell, except to those beings who eat carrion. I don't know, something about how my body reacts to each form of sustenance seems like a big clue.
I also think this crosses over to how, when we see an animal trembling, or hear it crying for its lost young, that what we see is completely recognizable as pain. Suffering, sure, I guess that can be a whole nother thing. Plants can communicate with you too, but a yellowed leaf doesn't instinctively cause the same desire to offer comfort as does a crying/injured puppy.
But what I really see is that the whole planet is in agony. I think the Confederation has stated in many words that this entity is suffering. We are eating her alive and poisoning her with excrement. Our forests and oceans are dying. What are we going to do? Maldek this planet up with methane and Round-up instead of a-bombs?
When we say animals can't suffer, what I believe the Q'uo channeling is trying to state is that they lack the spiritual suffering that comes from a spirit complex. Obviously, they can still suffer in the mind and body, because they are mind/body complexes. They feel emotions. Much of what we consider "suffering" from our point of view is completely replicable in the mind/body of any mammal, since emotions come from the mammalian brain. However, we also know that the spirit complex can attach to/enspirit a mind/body complex at any time, when the catalyst is efficiently used - and I believe that any animal that is in pain, emotional and physical, every day if not every moment of its life, will likely have to use that catalyst at some point. But on the flip side, all the animals we eat are babies anyway, so they probably really don't have enough time to process pain into suffering... much like if we killed infant humans at 3-6 months old. I guess who I really think about as truly suffering are the mother cows who are milked - they are really the most tortured beings in the world.
BTW, did you know that ants farm aphids? I think ants are one of the higher second density life forms, as well. Estimates say that there are 100 trillion ants. Seems like a pretty good place to maybe funnel factory farmed m/b/almost s's. 100 trillion ants, 70-100 billion farm animals... humans are quite the minority! Also, each of us is made up of more bacteria than human cells in our bodies. How we treat and conceptualize second density is a big deal.
I have a hypothetical question for anyone who would honestly answer. If Ra had said that there was a chance that this planet could be harvested negative, would you eat factory farmed animals?
I guess I just disagree fundamentally with a lot of the conclusions here. I believe farm animals are high second density. They have been domesticated by humans for thousands of years and are handled by humans almost every day. I do believe they are taking this opportunity at harvest, on our bellicose planet, to potentially harvest third density souls. But this is definitely not an excuse to participate in the system, either. You think this is the only place where we can harvest souls? You think this is how we should be harvesting souls? Obviously this HAS to go away before we can become a fourth density positive planet.
One thing I've been thinking about recently, as far as the difference between killing/torturing plants or animals, is that if you go to a factory where they process tomatoes, that place is gonna smell like tomatoes. When I go to the factory where they process lambs, it smells like DEATH. Unmistakable, the thick smell that you can taste in the air. A ubiquitously repulsive smell, except to those beings who eat carrion. I don't know, something about how my body reacts to each form of sustenance seems like a big clue.
I also think this crosses over to how, when we see an animal trembling, or hear it crying for its lost young, that what we see is completely recognizable as pain. Suffering, sure, I guess that can be a whole nother thing. Plants can communicate with you too, but a yellowed leaf doesn't instinctively cause the same desire to offer comfort as does a crying/injured puppy.
But what I really see is that the whole planet is in agony. I think the Confederation has stated in many words that this entity is suffering. We are eating her alive and poisoning her with excrement. Our forests and oceans are dying. What are we going to do? Maldek this planet up with methane and Round-up instead of a-bombs?
When we say animals can't suffer, what I believe the Q'uo channeling is trying to state is that they lack the spiritual suffering that comes from a spirit complex. Obviously, they can still suffer in the mind and body, because they are mind/body complexes. They feel emotions. Much of what we consider "suffering" from our point of view is completely replicable in the mind/body of any mammal, since emotions come from the mammalian brain. However, we also know that the spirit complex can attach to/enspirit a mind/body complex at any time, when the catalyst is efficiently used - and I believe that any animal that is in pain, emotional and physical, every day if not every moment of its life, will likely have to use that catalyst at some point. But on the flip side, all the animals we eat are babies anyway, so they probably really don't have enough time to process pain into suffering... much like if we killed infant humans at 3-6 months old. I guess who I really think about as truly suffering are the mother cows who are milked - they are really the most tortured beings in the world.
BTW, did you know that ants farm aphids? I think ants are one of the higher second density life forms, as well. Estimates say that there are 100 trillion ants. Seems like a pretty good place to maybe funnel factory farmed m/b/almost s's. 100 trillion ants, 70-100 billion farm animals... humans are quite the minority! Also, each of us is made up of more bacteria than human cells in our bodies. How we treat and conceptualize second density is a big deal.
I have a hypothetical question for anyone who would honestly answer. If Ra had said that there was a chance that this planet could be harvested negative, would you eat factory farmed animals?