Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
12-07-2017, 08:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-08-2017, 02:44 PM by Dante776.)
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Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys

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Don't get me wrong! I'm all for woman's rights. I mean...I would never want to see any women in my family horribly treated by some guy. But with the current climate of dozens of men that have been falling like dominoes, while women, who also harass men and boys (although under-reported) are not discussed at all in the media makes me wonder what's really going on here.

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One only need to google "women who harass men" or "women who molest boys" (and click images) to get a completely different picture of the way they are totally portraying women as "Only" victims in sexual harassment claims and men as "Only" antagonist in sexual harassment claims.

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So, I have to ask the question...Why aren't men fighting back? Now, I'm not saying none of these allegations aren't true, but I just don't think that it's fair to portray a one sided view of this phenomenon. Many of these men are being accused, tried in the media, castigated and fired from their positions without any investigation or a chance to air their side of the story. It makes me wonder if much of this is just another attempt at the Illuminati elite controlled media to deflect attention away from real issues in the world such as loss of freedom, corrupt banksters, UFOs, alien abductions, demonic possessions, secret societies, and satanism.

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Are some women in the feminist movement just using this issue in their quest for power? Furthermore, will all of this put undue pressure on male female social relations which are already somewhat strained? We need to step back and look at all of this rationally and fairly and consider the consequences that this may have down the road.

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Again, I'm not saying none of these allegations aren't true. But many of us have heard of powerful women that harass men in the workplace also. Why doesn't this come up in these conversations? We've also heard of women in education that have had sexual tristes with their male students. Why haven't they mentioned it? Maybe it's because they are not high profile enough? I don't know. But, I'm sure if some investigative journalist were to dig deep enough, they're likely to find just as many women in Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Wall Street and even Capitol Hill that have had similar claims against them in the past that somehow went unchecked.

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With more than 2000 men filing sexual harassment charges with the EEOC last year in 2016 (mostly against women in the workplace), where are these men and why aren't we hearing their stories? Why are guys just taking this quietly? Where are the men's advocacy groups? Where's their media platform? It really does beg the question...Why aren't men fighting back?

Ref:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19536167/ns/business-careers/t/male-sexual-harassment-not-joke/#.WinRNdQrJkj

https://www.plbsmh.com/yes-men-can-be-sexually-harassed-in-the-workplace/
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12-07-2017, 09:09 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-07-2017, 09:10 PM by Glow.)
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I don't know if I care enough to enter one of these sex/gender debates again.
Just doesn't ruffle my feathers anymore but I'm curious. Do you not see a need for balance?
Does this not just appear like the pendulum swinging over its target of the middle to the other extreme?
Do you not think this is necessary to bring the entire collective consciousness forward towards balance?
Do you fear it wont swing back to reintegrate those with a penis, and the parts of our individual selves we are most familiar with due to embracing the last 1000 years?

If you feel like fighting back go for it. That may be your process.

We are moving towards balance. We have to integrate our entirety into ourselves and society to get there.
How ever it happens, it happens but right now the part left in darkness for the last 1000 years is waking up and its stretching its legs. Don't worry the pendulum will return to the middle before it again swings out into another entirely new direction.
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12-07-2017, 11:15 PM,
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I hope you're right Glow, but I will chime in, because I'm my mouthy self, and might pull an E_S on accident from a prior incident, so I will try not to insult anyone too much.

Dante, the reason men aren't fighting back is because there is a campaign in media, from movies to shows to advertisements to porn, these is a movement to infantilize men.  Alongside widespread pressure to conform, and the history of expectation.  Men are expected to be strong and silent, to not feel, and above all to not complain.  Then in lieu of the societal prejudices against men AND women, that women are somehow less violent than men, and men somehow less gentle than women, it becomes almost absurd in that perspective to BELIEVE a claim by a man that he was sexually harassed or more actually raped.  Some could argue, how do you rape a penis?  It's not supposed to be usable without being aroused which argues if a man can be raped.  Totally ignoring the reality that genitalia can be in an aroused state during rape, it doesn't mean there is consent, you wouldn't say a women who was forced to orgasm during rape didn't get raped.  How does this change when it's a man?

My friend actually asked his girlfriend, how does she feel when a man rapes a woman?  Pretty bad.  But then he asks her, how does she feel when a woman rapes a man?  She said that was 'hot'.

That's a glimpse into the kind of media agenda going on.  The domination of male is arousing, it's almost like 50 shades of grey signaled an end to an era of sexuality, now women are empowered, and more, they are being heard.  Are we worried now they will do what men coming into power did?  Abuse it?  Overuse it?  Suppress the masculine the way the masculine suppressed the feminine?  I mean, I wouldn't blame them, and as Glow said, it'd fit the swinging of the pendulum.  I just hope that means men will become a commodity the way society has pictured women to balance things out, an I hope it means the feminine will become the outreaching principle, especially if the male one is suppressed to never reach out, a balance becomes needed that only another side can provide in those circumstances.

I think it is a bit dangerous, to just believe anyone who says a prominent figure raped them.  What's stopping a Russian intelligence agency from paying several dozen women to file sexual harassment claims against an important political figure to force him out of office?  How does one prove harassment when there's only the words to use?  Further, how can a man feel comfortable and safe enough to say something?

You might be aware that (oh my god what's his name...) UHHHHH ERRRRR

KEVIN SPACEY, has had a recent milieu of claims made against him by other men whom all say he sexually harassed them.  (And this may be totally inappropriate but for comic relief, I must say though, I don't think Kevin Spacey could sexually harass me ah hah hah hahah! Anyway.)

In that light it could be said that men are especial targets for allegations of sexual misconduct now, irregardless of sexual orientation.  Men and Women are willing to come out and say against a man that he harassed them.

You don't see the same against women.

Balance is apparently a swing, eventually it'll stop swinging, but when will that be?  When peace and equanimity is acquired?  Where catalyst becomes harder to spawn?  Without the strain?  I don't think the pendulum will stop swinging.

Women will come to be in power, then the time will come and go, then men will acquire it, then lose it, and it becomes a circle of re-acquiring and re-losing.  A very empty circle that serves to produce catalyst in sufficient amounts.

It's just like how you don't ever hear about how women ruin men's lives but you hear about how much of a pig men can be.  You never hear about the woman who took everything from a man, or the woman whom entraps a man, you never hear about it because it's in bad taste socially.

Women are supposed to be this spitting image of beauty, purity, and all things gentle, whether gothic or hippie.  To see that spitting image in the light the way we portray men, sexually chauvinistic, would be degrading to the female image.

Men are already degraded, women empowered.  This is just becoming more in focus now.  Some would say Trump beating Hillary was a blow to female empowerment, but in reality, it was a blow to male integrity, now we have some of the ugliest male traits being flaunted openly to the whole world, this is how American Men are.

What's there to fight back against?  The war is already lost, men handed over the reigns without knowing it.  An agenda to infantilize men.

That's on top of the agenda to fill the heads of young girls with ideas of what a boy is, and what a girl is.  Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless!  And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty.  How dare we tell a woman what to wear!  How dare we ask her to cover her thighs and midsection and butt cheeks and under boob!  We're such dirty nasty men for even looking!

And similar insults can be flung at the female.

This is a highly charged issue, we will get mad at each other.  Let's just try to not let it escalate too far.

Here comes the catalyst.

What do you think Dante?  You have interesting and admittedly very deep perspectives, what all do you see is going on?
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12-08-2017, 08:50 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-08-2017, 09:08 AM by YinYang.)
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Everything in nature always seeks balance, and I like your pendulum analogy, Glow. A while back I read George Fox's wiki page (he founded the Quaker movement), and came across this little titbit:

Quote:He hoped to find among the "English Dissenters" a spiritual understanding absent from the established church but fell out with one group, for example, because he maintained that women had souls.

WHOA!! After millennia of female repression, I say LET THAT PENDULUM SWING!
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12-08-2017, 10:43 AM,
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Quote:KEVIN SPACEY, has had a recent milieu of claims made against him by other men whom all say he sexually harassed them.  (And this may be totally inappropriate but for comic relief, I must say though, I don't think Kevin Spacey could sexually harass me ah hah hah hahah! Anyway.)

I'm sorry Joseph, but this IS an inappropriate joke, because it invalidates the first half of your post. This is a real person with real victims, and by making a joke, it appears that you don't take the issue seriously, at all - including your abhorrence at the idea that an erection equals consent. Why perpetuate that, even jokingly, if it causes you pain?

Quote:That's on top of the agenda to fill the heads of young girls with ideas of what a boy is, and what a girl is.  Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless!  And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty.  How dare we tell a woman what to wear!  How dare we ask her to cover her thighs and midsection and butt cheeks and under boob!  We're such dirty nasty men for even looking!

You mentioned quite a bit about society infantalizing men - which I don't think is an inaccurate assessment necessarily. Don't you think part of that infantalization is boob fetishization? It's the drive of the infant who sees the breasts as irresistible, because they are food. That is their *actual* allure, and why when your brain sees them, you get pleasure. Did you know it's possible to NOT be aroused by the female breasts all the time? Men constantly give power to women by choosing to be overwhelmed by their "sexuality." Most women aren't deliberately trying to arouse you, regardless of what they wear, even if their breasts are out - unless they are in a strip club or you are about to make love, their breasts are a part of the body that can remain unsexualized. This is why porn addiction is dangerous, because it hardwires the brain to see naked as sex. Naked is not sexual, naked is natural, and women AND men should be able to feel like they don't have to cover themselves up to prevent unwanted aggression.

Sorry if I'm derailing the thread, I just want to have a legitimate conversation about this if we are going to - and not one full of exaggerations, misconceptions, etc. I know men are raped and sexually assaulted, and they are often victimized even further afterwards, but we can't continue to perpetuate that "men can't be raped", even as a joke, and we also need to stop perpetuating that people need to protect their naked bodies with a layer of armor to prevent causing overwhelming sexual desire in strangers.
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12-08-2017, 11:00 AM,
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Jade Wrote:This is why porn addiction is dangerous, because it hardwires the brain to see naked as sex. Naked is not sexual, naked is natural, and women AND men should be able to feel like they don't have to cover themselves up to prevent unwanted aggression.

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12-08-2017, 02:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-09-2017, 12:56 AM by Bring4th_Austin.)
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(12-07-2017, 08:00 PM)Dante776 Wrote:  But with the current climate of dozens of men that have been falling like dominoes, while women, who also harass men (although under-reported) are not discussed at all in the media makes me wonder what's really going on here.

Even with the recent cultural phenomenon of holding certain men in power (certainly not all men who harass, yet), harassment by men against women is still wildly under-reported as well. And there is nothing about the concept of the taboo against men reporting harassment that is invalidated by the focus on voices of women who have been harassed. Bringing up this issue as a counterpoint to holding men responsible is a form of whataboutism that seems to more attempt to silence the women than give a voice to male victims.

"What's really going on here?" How this relates to the complicated nature of gender relations and sexual harassment in society is likely an incredibly difficult and nuanced answer. But by and large, most simply, what I see going on here is society giving women who are harassed a voice for the first time.


Quote:So, I have to ask the question...Why aren't men fighting back? Now, I'm not saying none of these allegations aren't true, but I just don't think that it's fair to portray a one sided view of this phenomenon.

Powerful men (and men in general) not being held accountable for their abuses is an issue in and of itself. Due to the nuance I mentioned above, it can be seen as distinct from the issue of men being harassed by women. That means it is the issue being discussed, not an issue being portrayed with a one-sided view.


Quote:Many of these men are being accused, tried in the media, castigated and fired from their positions without any investigation or a chance to air their side of the story.

I encourage you to search out accounts of women who have attempted and failed to seek justice through our law enforcement and legal systems (and other social systems of accountability). Bottom line is, up to this point, women could not rely on our systems to hold men accountable. There was almost nothing to be done whenever an abuse was suffered. This has been, and still is, a deep systemic issue that virtually every woman deals with in our society.


Quote:It makes me wonder if much of this is just another attempt at the Illuminati elite controlled media to deflect attention away from real issues in the world such as loss of freedom, corrupt banksters, UFOs, alien abductions, demonic possessions, secret societies, and satanism.

This is a "real issue," especially for the women who have suffered.


Quote:Are some women in the feminist movement just using this issue in their quest for power?

Any social issue can be abused and used to further a social agenda. I don't know what exactly you're asking, maybe it's true, but it doesn't invalidate the issue.


Quote:Furthermore, will all of this put undue pressure on male female social relations which are already somewhat strained?

Consider that they've always been strained and that men have simply been blind to it. And now women are being listened to when they are talking about how they've been strained. I understand that it is a difficult issue for some men to grasp, but this is not new social harm - it is social harm being brought to light.


Quote:We need to step back and look at all of this rationally and fairly and consider the consequences that this may have down the road.

This is another complicated and nuanced factor. Put yourself in the shoes of a woman who has been abused, been denied recourse through our systems of accountability, finally find that your voice is beginning to be heard, and a bunch of men step up and say, "Hey now, wait a minute, quiet down and let's think about this."


Quote:But many of us have heard of powerful women that harass men in the workplace also. Why doesn't this come up in these conversations? We've also heard of women in education that have had sexual tristes with their male students. Why haven't they mentioned it? Maybe it's because they are not high profile enough? I don't know. But, I'm sure if some investigative journalist were to dig deep enough, they're likely to find just as many women in Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Wall Street and maybe even Capitol Hill that have had similar claims against them in the past that somehow went unchecked.

Again, part of the nuanced issue, but consider this: of the 500 Fortune 500 companies, only 32 CEOs are women. 6.4%. (Other figures - 21% of the US Senate, 19% of the US House of Representatives.) I know, this isn't an accurate way to figure out the gender makeup of people in power, but it's a pretty good snapshot. The difference likely isn't as drastic as we travel down the ladder, but this is a good indicator of who holds positions of power. It's logical to a assume that a vast majority of people in power who are abusers are men, even if that is just because they hold the majority of the positions of power (though the sociology of gender issues probably makes it more complicated than that).


Quote:With more than 2000 men filing sexual harassment charges with the EEOC last year in 2016 (mostly against women in the workplace), where are these men and why aren't we hearing their stories? Why are guys just taking this quietly? Where are the men's advocacy groups? Where's their media platform? It really does beg the question...Why aren't men fighting back?

Those men filing sexual harassment charges make up 16% of the total sexual harassment charges. That is not a statement saying that their voices don't deserve to be heard, but it is an illustration of why women suffering abuses from men (or more broadly, men who abuse) is an issue in and of itself.

I understand that giving women the spotlight here feels as though men who are legitimately suffering are being ignored, but there are ways to talk about that and bring it up in ways that isn't a counterpoint to the issue of men abusing women.


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12-08-2017, 07:54 PM,
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Hah, I love it.  The woman is become the man.  You can degrade me and dismiss me and judge me and that's all fine.

I'm not even going to respond to you Jade, your manipulation is above my level of dealing with.  I'm going to just go with Glow and leave this thread alone because I don't feel like being the oppressed here.

A thread for men to come and voice themselves, and a woman dismisses the first guy besides OP to say anything.  Now suddenly I can say you don't know how us men feel, in a way, you have now become that which I was once.  Accidentally degrading women not knowing I was doing it.

Now you do it.

So I bring this statement full circle, you don't know what it's like to be us, how we are oppressed.  You participate in our degradation.  You dismiss, you judge, you condemn, and now I'm the bad guy?

No, no no no, I'm done here.

Men and Women are in the same boat, both of us are suppressed an victimized by society in ways to portray the other sex as the cause.

Anything else is your cognitive dissonance and hatred for men getting in the way of reality.  I don't even watch porn anymore, I look at art, and most of it is not females.

Some fun facts:
More men than ever are transitioning to become women, it's as if the male sex is not desired.
Many shows showcase men in compromising positions then portray them in unrealistic lights.  The show Archer for instance has a protagonist directly revealed to be infantilized by his abusive neglectful mother.  Friends has every guy in that show bending backwards at one point or another for a women, and worse even has them portrayed as lesser than the women, very commonly so.  That 70's show has Kelso, Eric, and Fez all at one point in women's attire, Kelso and Fez particularly weren't too bothered by it.  Star Trek has someone like Captain Picard and Odo becoming docile and passive like children before Luwxana Troi's sexual persistence.
Look up Sissy Porn, Jade, if you think there isn't an agenda to infantilize men, you may want to pay more attention to the subtle complex messages being delivered.  Women are not the only one's under assault, Men are right there to.

As for how this works, this argument has been made before, it's the usual issues affecting both sexes, just in varying ways.  One sex is not trying to dominate the other, there is a society trying to enslave us all by dividing us.

I partook unknowingly when Glow was kind enough to see I had no intent to harm the feminine, even as others were berating me, and more others had jumped on a friend of mine, who doesn't even feel comfortable enough posting here anymore because of it, instead of helping him work through that very dank and powerful catalyst, he was condemned, and basically almost banned for his views.  The only person whom was kindly enough to not condemn me was Glow.

And now ironically it is her who's opinion I will be following, I'm not going to participate in this thread, it was a mistake to think anything different than the cyclical reoccurrence of the catalyst of sexism would follow.

Men are victimized and oppressed just like women in differing ways.

To believe anything else is to subscribe to the agenda of separation, Jade.  We're in this together.

Have fun judging and condemning each other everyone, I'll be over here monitoring this thread and contrasting it to past threads of similar subjects.  It should prove a very fascinating look into the manner of cyclical catalyst that occurs in this forum.
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12-08-2017, 10:05 PM,
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I never said there wasn't an agenda to infantalize men, I agreed with you. In fact, I didn't say a lot of what you are accusing me of saying at all. I just wanted to address that it was really a sour note, when, after reading your very serious issues, you went and reinforced them with a joke that showed that you were complicit in perpetuating the stereotypes you hate. I was sad that you felt the need to invalidate yourself that way.

And I completely stand by the idea that men are not animals who are beholden to their reproductive organs and able to be bent to the will of an exposed breast. If that offends you, I'm sorry. It doesn't mean that I don't believe that you have been victimized by being overstimulated by the naked female body, but I believe that you are able to overcome this vulnerability. I believe to continue to fall into this vulnerability is to continue to play into the story of the infantalization of men.

Quote:Men are victimized and oppressed just like women in differing ways.

I have never, once ever, disagreed with this. Can you find somewhere in something that I have said where I claimed that men are not victimized and oppressed systemically? Because I believe they are. I just don't want to see you to continue to unconsciously play into roles that you hate, and continue to be victimized and oppressed. I realize this help is unwanted, and I'm sincerely sorry to have made you feel like I was manipulating and condemning you.
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12-09-2017, 12:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-09-2017, 12:44 AM by Aion.)
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Ah yes, the division of men and women against eachother. Something tells me both sides are being played against eachother and that too much focus on what is in the 'spotlight' yields only a small part of the whole picture.

Here's a better question in my mind, who benefits from the war between men and women?

You don't think the oppression of women just happened by chance, surely?
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12-09-2017, 03:01 AM,
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(12-09-2017, 12:39 AM)Aion Wrote:  Ah yes, the division of men and women against eachother. Something tells me both sides are being played against eachother and that too much focus on what is in the 'spotlight' yields only a small part of the whole picture.

Here's a better question in my mind, who benefits from the war between men and women?

You don't think the oppression of women just happened by chance, surely?

Ding Ding Ding...


Jade, I don't want to debate with you, I just want to talk, but the judgment is old and I'm tired of misunderstanding you.

I'm sick of this sexism nonsense, men do this to women, women do that to men.

My joke was for comic relief, jovially pointing out my bisexual response to Kevin Spacey.  I don't see it as reductionist because I'm speaking for me personally, not everyone...  And as far as what you think porn does, it's not porn that makes a boob 'fetishized', and it is not fetishizing something when it's a natural response.  I will not argue with that manipulation and subtle degradation of male sexuality, much like some women didn't want to even HELP teach a man how to be respectful.

We wouldn't assign value to the size of tits the way we do dicks if they're not sexual.  We wouldn't have underwear for them for them (that causes more harm than good) and we wouldn't as men, be so swayed by them even before porn became a thing.

Let's go back to Roman days, let me walk around with my dick hanging out, how dare you sexualize and fetishize a part of my body!

It's okay to beat a man but how dare he hit a women.  Equality.

It's okay, Women are the better sex anyways, just look at how many men worldwide are trying to escape being a man.

But we're the oppressors in this patriarchy where women have more freedom than ever and men can't even find a date without needing to pay, or being rejected over and over.

I'm really sick and tired of this stuff but I'm mostly sick and tired of being a man trying to express this stuff to very judgmental and subtly sexist women.

No wonder i want to be a woman, I'll get affection, something literally foreign to me now.  I'll get free s*** from men, just for being a girl.  I'll get laid because there's an endless pool of willing people, and of those people, I can manipulate any of them and get away with it because it'd be his fault for letting me use him like the nice guy he is.  I can tease men to coax them to do stuff for me.  I could pull out the cleavage to win sway in an interaction with a man.  Oh how nice it'd be to be a woman and get treated the way I treat woman.  I'd be so happy just knowing that I could go put a picture of myself on a dating site and come back to prospective people desiring me!  Oh woe is me that so many people want me!!

But instead I get manipulated, used, ostracized, berated, degraded, and then I'm called the oppressor.  I can't take it anymore.

Oh I sure do enjoy being this hairy ugly smelly oppressive man, SO MUCH.

Ugh...  I hate being a guy so fucking much in this world.  I even argue for women and STILL I am degraded by them.

I can't take it, nope.  I'm just going to leave.  I'm the bad guy, okay.  And here I tried so hard to be respectful, and all I got out of it was an empty wallet, an empty bed, an empty heart, and in the case of my last girlfriend, bed bugs.

But I'm the bad guy...

No.  I just can't take it anymore.  I can't take it, I took a girl out on a date, $50 dollars and a day later she won't return my texts or calls.  I tell a drunk girl with a boyfriend coming on to me no, she forces herself on me.  I spend 2 years chasing a girl who showed interest in me, $1000 dollars later she finally tells me she's not interested in me because I'm not attractive.  Oh but I'm perfect boyfriend material, so there's that.  I get molested by an older girl as a kid. One of my longest friendships ended because she refused to communicate with me her feelings regarding our physical relationship, now she knows I wasn't using her because she hurt my feelings so bad insinuating it that I stopped being her friend, and was very honest as to why only to receive silence in return. Girl I lost my virginity to wouldn't date me but would f*** me...Then wanted to date after I was dating the later to be mother of my son.  Girl in high school tries to say me and another guy raped her, she was lying and thankfully everyone saw through her manipulative bullshit.  The mother of my son took my son away and used her father's lawyer friends to keep me from pursuing.  My own mother has been neglectful and abusive periodically across my entire life.

Quite frankly, in MYYY life, I'M THE OPPRESSED.  So I don't have anything else to say about that except that I am greatly put off by all of this.  I even admitted to feelings of misogyny from all of this s*** and still I try to find equality only to be met with degradation.

Think about MY LIFE next time you call men oppressors.  The only fucking thing I've oppressed is my desire to scream at women for degrading and abusing and using me, then calling me the problem.

Think about it, Jade, the next time you insinuate me to be a porn brained part of the problem, really think about ME.

My anger may seem unwarranted to others but I clearly feel an attack on my character and I'm not just going to ALWAYS be silent about it, especially in a thread talking about how men are being assaulted.

Here here, just judge me and be done with it.  I've done so much kindness and respect to women and this is my reward, I'm wrong, I'm bad, I'm the problem.

So be it, here it is, here's the bad guy!  Just look at how angry I am!  Fear me, I'm going to sexualize your naked body in a society of clothed people, I'm going to oppress you by speaking out against your degradation!  I'm eyeraping you now, don't you feel it?  My soul objectifying you?

It's not fun talking to someone like me, is it?

I'm so abusive afterall.  So aggressive.

So full of distress at your honest response.

I hope this feels familiar, this must be how you all felt in response to E_S's post so long ago.  The only difference is I can't delete your post and threaten to ban you for so slyly degrading me.

I just have to, oh, well then, be a man and suck it up!
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12-09-2017, 04:30 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-09-2017, 05:04 AM by YinYang.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
You know, C_A, I'm for the most part gender blind. Due to women being repressed and made insignificant for so long, I am very happy at current developments, at women asserting their rightful place in society, balance is being restored. I am kind of unaware of this "war between men and women" that you guys speak of, it just hasn't surfaced in my life. I adore men, some of my favourite spiritual teachers are men, and I have never perceived men as weak.

I don't tolerate lewdness in social situations, the men in my social circle treat women quite respectfully. Men who can't, usually have quick departures. Two things I choose not to expose myself to as far as possible, is sexism and racism.
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12-09-2017, 07:24 AM,
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-09-2017, 03:01 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  I just have to, oh, well then, be a man and suck it up!

I don't really get the point of separating people by gender, there's people to people interactions.

While the destination is great and all, it's really about the journey. Enjoy each step, other-self.
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12-09-2017, 09:07 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-10-2018, 05:19 AM by GentleWanderer.)
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12-09-2017, 10:54 AM,
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Joseph, forgive me, I try earnestly, but I don't even know what to say for you. First of all, I wish you would actually respond to the things I said in my post, instead of just getting triggered by what I have to say and ranting at me. I learn very little from your rants, except to hold my tongue when I feel I have something to say to you most times. To be honest, you seem to be the one who is the most upset by gender dichotomy in this thread at all, which is why I made my misguided attempt to help. Dante posted what was very obviously a troll bait thread, and you decided to use this space, and you KNEW that what you had to say would likely generate a response.

I guess my main concern is that you are hyperbolizing situations and really causing yourself a lot of pain by looking at reality through a distorted lens. You mentioned pop culture references and I really did not find trouble with what you say. I cannot think of an episode where Captain Picard was cowed by Luxuana's sexuality (though, cowed by her intimidating, overtly male energy nature, yes) and Odo falls in love with Luxuana once she shows her real, mellowed self. He wants nothing to do with the overly sexual Luxuana. You know what I do remember from Star Trek TNG? Countless episodes where Deanna gets mind-raped by some entity. In fact, I just watched an episode last night, where they go to that sexy planet where nobody wears clothes and Wesley gets sentenced to death for crushing flowers. When Deanna arrives on the planet for the first time, a man comes and greets her and grabs her and pulls her close and kisses her intimately on the neck. (It was her first time on the planet, everyone else had become familiarized with their 'customs') She looked extremely uncomfortable and embarrassed. So we all have lenses of bias for which we can view pop culture. The fact is, subjugation of women in stories is so common that you don't even notice it. When the roles are switched, it obviously bothers you a lot because it's not used as often as a trope. I just want you to understand that women DO understand the way you feel, being a victim, all too clearly. But, it's really painful to watch you use your own victimhood to perpetuate the victimhood of yourself and others, of both genders.

Sincerely, I thank you for taking the effort to show us the imbalances with how men are portrayed in pop culture. However, my question would be, why do you think it's so repulsive for Kelso and Fez to dress up like women? How is that not okay for comic relief, in a completely fictional universe set in a different time period, but saying that it's impossible for Kevin Spacey to sexually assault you, when there are real victims of his assault, who are currently undergoing a LOT of catalyst at this moment, is okay? When do we consider a joke to be crossing the line?
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12-09-2017, 10:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-11-2017, 03:04 PM by Dante776.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
I wanted to hold back for a bit before jumping into the fray and comment on what I think is going on. First of all, I did not post this as a troll bait thread Jade. Why is it that every time someone posts a serious topic that requires serious discussion, albeit contentious, someone has to label it “troll baiting?” I take this topic very seriously and the fact that it has garnered more than 500 views in less than 48 hours tells me that many others take it seriously as well. At the same time, I see nothing wrong with a little levity, as long as we're not making fun of any alleged victims.

I understand the need for balance, but I think the pretext for which to create this balance is problematic to me. Because it involves very serious allegations that often go back 30 and 40 years against some of these men. A few go back more than 50 years. I mean, where does it end? After all of this time it just becomes a classic case of he said/she said, right?

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Why didn’t these women bring charges against these men at the time? The EEOC has been around since 1965. Prior to that they had law enforcement and the courts. Now, you may say that the law was not always on the side of women just as it was not for black Americans, however the courts were still used by many women over the years to gain equality. There was New York’s Married Women’s Property Act (1848), granting married women control over their property and earnings, adopted by all states by 1900. There was the Nineteenth Amendment to the US Constitution in 1920 guaranteeing women the right to vote. The Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, The Equal Pay Act of 1963 and many other court legislation's that fared well for women. Since the late 1800’s court’s have been passing legislation prohibiting husbands from committing even a slight assault upon his wife. So, there is no excuse for why these women didn’t seek redress at the time of these alleged assaults.

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Furthermore, I think that many of these women are NOT owning up to the part they may have played in some of these encounters. Many women have used sex to gain an advantage in society. Whether we’re talking Hollywood, politics, or the board room, woman have used sex to lure men into giving them jobs, promotions, movie roles, appointments, etc. This is no secret! And I would dare say that many of the current crop of accusers, after gaining their wealth and fame, are using selective memory about what really happened between them and the accused in many of these cases. Some of the men that we are hearing from who admit their role in some of these encounters are saying “I felt that I was pursuing shared feelings” or “some of what is being said is untrue or mischaracterized,” but this does not seem to have any leverage whatsoever. Women have often used sex to put men in uncompromising positions and then complain or yell rape when they didn’t get what they wanted. Now, I’m not saying that none of these claims have merit. I’m just saying that if they didn’t seek redress at the time it happened, and we allow every woman that has a gripe with some guy that they knowingly flirted with and then, several years later say that he assaulted them only for the accused to lose his job, his office, his appointment, etc., for unproven claims, I have a problem with this.

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Women have used sex to win wars, inherit empires, property, wealth, and power. No debate there, right? They, often in partnership with men, have used sex to sell cars, boats, motorcycles, cologne, jewelry, liquor, chocolates, lingerie and a host of other products. Many have even become quite wealthy doing so. Any argument there? And what about porn and exhibitionism? No one is making these women perform in strip clubs, pose naked in magazines, and shoot stag films at gunpoint. They’re doing it willfully because they see it as a quick means of obtaining wealth. Of course, not all of them get wealthy but many have. In some clubs, bars and casinos waitresses will dress provocatively to get better tips. Female weather and traffic reporters often wear busty tight dresses to compete for more viewers. The reality is that sex sells. And women know this! They have been all too often willing to use it to their advantage. And like C_A said, “Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless!  And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty.”

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So, I’m sorry Glow, but I don’t see the pendulum as swinging to the other extreme. There has always been balance in one form or another. You just choose not to recognize this fact. As I said in my post, I see it as a sort of Trojan Horse by the Powers That Be (PTB) to deflect attention away from real issues in the world. Also to manipulate and exploit both men and women, control them, distract them, divide them, etc. Not to mention that they’re selling a boat load of magazines and newspapers behind this. Aion asked, “Who benefits from the war between men and women?” I agree with GentleWanderer, “The dark team, but who exactly? Inspiring antagonism between the two poles is the best way to prevent evolution and the journey home into oneness.”



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Who exactly? Could it be none other than the fallen ones of Orion and Pleiades? The power behind the PTB?  

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Ref:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHIEWlSaGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIG7nXR4LZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1s6mdy0tGk
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12-10-2017, 12:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 12:39 AM by 0000.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
nah Jade is correct - ur a troll (aka: 'agent provocateur')
supprised u didn't say ra's part of a feminazi reptilien world take over - next post?
nb: hows the 'demonic possession' going? see u gave up sucking that thread dry after aion gave useful answers which u ignored

long live white lives matter/NRA/MRA
us guys been kept down far to long bro
lol yeah riiight
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12-10-2017, 01:52 AM,
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-10-2017, 12:32 AM)0000 Wrote:  nah Jade is correct - ur a troll (aka: 'agent provocateur')
supprised u didn't say ra's part of a feminazi reptilien world take over - next post?
nb: hows the 'demonic possession' going? see u gave up sucking that thread dry after aion gave useful answers which u ignored

long live white lives matter/NRA/MRA
us guys been kept down far to long bro
lol yeah riiight

WELCOME BACK, SMC!!!!!!!
is it ok if i still call you smc? (i really liked that username.)
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12-10-2017, 02:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 04:09 AM by Glow.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Dear god I did not expect that! I was just skimming quickly nearly choked reading 0000 post then isis sealed the deal.
If it really is SMC I have been thinking of you, and hope you are well.


I'm still not wanting to be part of this thread, but I did read your post Dante since I replied to your post with questions. I wouldn’t say you are trolling, but I think it’s a limited biased perspective. As if the last 1000 years didn't happen to condition society and men and women to be that way. It’s a bit to simplistic, but we all see what we see.

I'm back out of here. Thanks for the laugh isis and if its you smc, stick around, 0000 if its not smc stick around, you too Dante stick around. Smile
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12-10-2017, 04:08 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 11:26 AM by Dante776.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-10-2017, 12:32 AM)0000 Wrote:  nah Jade is correct - ur a troll (aka: 'agent provocateur')
supprised u didn't say ra's part of a feminazi reptilien world take over - next post?
nb: hows the 'demonic possession' going? see u gave up sucking that thread dry after aion gave useful answers which u ignored

long live white lives matter/NRA/MRA  
us guys been kept down far to long bro  
lol yeah riiight
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You know, this kind of ignorant pea-brained comment really isn't worth responding to. If it is SMC, I suppose you missed the spanking I gave you in the 'demonic possession thread' and are back for more. The stupid feminazi reptilien comment sounds like something she would say. And how's your demon possession going? Don't think for a moment that you don't have them just because you don't recognize it as such. No, the only "troll" on here is pathetic nut jobs like you who don't know how to have a civil conversation and would rather attack people that you are intellectually threatened by. And FYI I'm not done with that thread and will be posting more information soon which I'm sure you're salivating at the mouth for and can't get enough of. I welcome your Non-Provocateur comments here and there as well, but you already know that if you come at me a certain way, your're gonna get it a certain way. So, it's best to come correct!
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12-10-2017, 05:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 06:00 AM by YinYang.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Dante Wrote:So, there is no excuse for why these women didn’t seek redress at the time of these alleged assaults.

You must be unfamiliar with some of the disturbing information that came to light in these high profile cases. Let's look at Weinstein:

Harvey Weinstein’s army of spies

New Yorker Wrote:In the fall of 2016, Harvey Weinstein set out to suppress allegations that he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women. He began to hire private security agencies to collect information on the women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According to dozens of pages of documents, and seven people directly involved in the effort, the firms that Weinstein hired included Kroll, which is one of the world’s largest corporate-intelligence companies, and Black Cube, an enterprise run largely by former officers of Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube, which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers its clients the skills of operatives “highly experienced and trained in Israel’s elite military and governmental intelligence units,” according to its literature.

Men that wield this kind of power, will stop at nothing to silence their victims.

Dante Wrote:I understand the need for balance, but I think the pretext for which to create this balance is problematic to me.

No Dante, you are mistaken, you are not looking at "a pretext to create balance", you are looking at the result of immense progress having already been made in the restoration of balance.
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12-10-2017, 07:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 07:25 AM by YinYang.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
The Divine Femine is on the Rise

Quote:The Divine Femine is on the Rise

According to ancient Hindu philosophy, the cosmic dance of the masculine and feminine forces of Shiva and Shakti are what sets the universe in harmonious motion.

Any imbalance in the equality of these energies causes conflict, upheaval and disaster. The male force of Shiva is said to be the force of consciousness, and the female force of Shakti is said to be the force of energy. Shakti is considered divine, due to her unique ability to create and act as an agent of change. The divine feminine has always been respected and honored in ancient Hindu mythology.

Rampant patriarchy, the objectification of women and misogynistic social structures have all caused an imbalance in these energies and have suppressed natural feminine energy in both men and women. Feminine energy has been deemed weaker than masculine energy. The result of this hierarchical structure has promoted aggression, self-interest and the rise of ego-driven desires.

Materialism has taken precedence over spirituality, Western rationality over Eastern philosophy and self-interest over communal harmony. Our intellect is valued more than our intuition, development is furthered over the protection of the environment and war is the preferred solution over peace.

The divine feminine represents the depths of our subconscious, the connection to the universal source of energy. She stands for nurturing our intuition, empathy, community, wellness and purpose. She inculcates values of patience, humility and peace. She brings to light all that has been repressed, denied and suppressed with love and compassion.

As our mass consciousness is moving into higher frequencies, the inherent suppression of the opposite polarities in each of us is coming to light. As men and women are getting more in touch with their shadow sides, they are realizing the detrimental impact of harmful societal conditioning.

Women are conditioned to be peaceful, while men are conditioned to be assertive, rather than the other way around. Women have a feminine core and are already naturally more giving and kind-hearted. Men have a masculine core and are already naturally more dominant and self-concerned. This type of conditioning paves the way for women to become more meek, more subservient, more submissive and unable to express righteous anger. It teaches men to become more arrogant, egotistical and angry, rather than nurturing their emotional vulnerability.

While the feminist movement was essential to establishing the rights of women as equal beings, women began to lose touch with their feminine nature. Many women began seeing it as something undesirable to be overcome. This led to women trying to be and act like men, rather than nurturing their natural gifts as women. While there is no fixed notion of how women should or should not act (the entire basis of feminism), this bias toward masculinity has done a great disservice to the nature of the divine feminine.

The rise of the feminine in same-sex relationships is a manifestation of the resistance to the imbalance of energies, similar to how feminism has been a manifestation of the rebellion against the suppression of female energies. People are beginning to explore alternate sexualities that favor feminine expression; men and women are leaning toward increasingly androgynous lifestyles. There has also been an impetus of strong feminine archetypal tropes in media and television.

There has been a huge boost to Eastern philosophical practices, such as Zen Buddhism, ancient Hinduism, and Taoism with the advent of new-age spirituality and the mass adoption of yoga, minimalistic practices, mindfulness meditation, green living, and the balance of the body and the mind. Intuition, the power of imagination, and emotional intelligence are being recognized as important.

The selfish needs of a consumerist society are destroying our Mother Earth, as is the immediate gratification of materialism and rapid technological development. The number of natural disasters and calamities is on the rise, and the importance of a sustainable future for the next generations is finally being realized—at least by some.

Social theories prove that civilizations rise, reach a peak and fall in power, bringing in the dawn of the next. With the current state of global politics, we have reached a peak in the destructiveness of the dominance of masculine energy.

The divine feminine is rising.


The dualistic nature of Shakti and Shiva, or Yin and Yang, is setting the forces of change in motion. As it is understood by many Eastern philosophies, whenever one quality reaches its peak, it will naturally begin to transform into the opposite.

The masculine and feminine energies are realigning and returning to a proper cyclic balance of ceaseless motion to bring about peace, harmony and a new world order.
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12-10-2017, 11:02 AM,
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Quote:Furthermore, I think that many of these women are NOT owning up to the part they may have played in some of these encounters. Many women have used sex to gain an advantage in society. Weather we’re talking Hollywood, politics, or the board room, woman have used sex to lure men into giving them jobs, promotions, movie roles, appointments, etc. This is no secret! And I would dare say that many of the current crop of accusers, after gaining their wealth and fame, are using selective memory about what really happened between them and the accused in many of these cases. Some of the men that we are hearing from who admit their role in some of these encounters are saying “I felt that I was pursuing shared feelings” or “some of what is being said is untrue or mischaracterized,” but this does not seem to have any leverage whatsoever. Women have often used sex to put men in uncompromising positions and then complain or yell rape when they didn’t get what they wanted. Now, I’m not saying that none of these claims have merit. I’m just saying that if they didn’t seek redress at the time it happened, and we allow every woman that has a gripe with some guy that they knowingly flirted with and then, several years later say that he assaulted them only for the accused to lose his job, his office, his appointment, etc., for unproven claims, I have a problem with this.

This is such a backwards distortion of what is actually happening, but on one level it's amusing to think that anyone could believe that women have had even a semblance of this type of power. What has actually happened is the exact opposite of what you claim has happened.

I mean, I don't want to get into this gender argument any more than anyone else does, but I feel a duty to not allow complete falsehoods to perpetuate and turn into frustrated confusion.

Dante, most of your post is a complete lie and distortion from actual reality. Either you are trolling to rile people up and cause a fight, or you are deliberately lying to confuse people into complacency. I find it hard to believe that someone actually subscribes to such a thoroughly distorted version of reality. If you want to have a real discussion about this, then we need to eliminate all the hyperbole, and probably the click-bait article style stock photos. Not to mention, if you are actually worried about men being victimized, why focus on women who are the perpetrators? What about all the men who have been abused by other men? This is merely trying to incite a gender war, nothing more.

I also find it disheartening that people would choose to come into this thread to make a (potentially) new poster feel unwelcome, but the idea of standing up against someone speaking hateful falsehoods is out of everyone's comfort zone.
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12-10-2017, 02:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 03:17 PM by Dante776.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-10-2017, 11:02 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  
Quote:Furthermore, I think that many of these women are NOT owning up to the part they may have played in some of these encounters. Many women have used sex to gain an advantage in society. Weather we’re talking Hollywood, politics, or the board room, woman have used sex to lure men into giving them jobs, promotions, movie roles, appointments, etc. This is no secret! And I would dare say that many of the current crop of accusers, after gaining their wealth and fame, are using selective memory about what really happened between them and the accused in many of these cases. Some of the men that we are hearing from who admit their role in some of these encounters are saying “I felt that I was pursuing shared feelings” or “some of what is being said is untrue or mischaracterized,” but this does not seem to have any leverage whatsoever. Women have often used sex to put men in uncompromising positions and then complain or yell rape when they didn’t get what they wanted. Now, I’m not saying that none of these claims have merit. I’m just saying that if they didn’t seek redress at the time it happened, and we allow every woman that has a gripe with some guy that they knowingly flirted with and then, several years later say that he assaulted them only for the accused to lose his job, his office, his appointment, etc., for unproven claims, I have a problem with this.

This is such a backwards distortion of what is actually happening, but on one level it's amusing to think that anyone could believe that women have had even a semblance of this type of power. What has actually happened is the exact opposite of what you claim has happened.

I mean, I don't want to get into this gender argument any more than anyone else does, but I feel a duty to not allow complete falsehoods to perpetuate and turn into frustrated confusion.

Dante, most of your post is a complete lie and distortion from actual reality. Either you are trolling to rile people up and cause a fight, or you are deliberately lying to confuse people into complacency. I find it hard to believe that someone actually subscribes to such a thoroughly distorted version of reality. If you want to have a real discussion about this, then we need to eliminate all the hyperbole, and probably the click-bait article style stock photos. Not to mention, if you are actually worried about men being victimized, why focus on women who are the perpetrators? What about all the men who have been abused by other men? This is merely trying to incite a gender war, nothing more.

I also find it disheartening that people would choose to come into this thread to make a (potentially) new poster feel unwelcome, but the idea of standing up against someone speaking hateful falsehoods is out of everyone's comfort zone.

Jade, just as in other threads we’ve had discussions in, you’re again demonstrating your inability to have an honest intellectual discussion without labeling someone’s comments as backwards, lies or distortions. Just make your point! That’s all you have to do. You’ll never get your point across effectively by just slandering someone and hurling highly charged emotional epithets at them. And here you go with this trolling nonsense again. Whenever someone has an opinion that’s different from yours they’re trolls! What I have presented is not a distorted version of reality. They are facts! And I can back up every one of those facts. So far the only ones that have come to this discussion with hyperbole is you and 0000 (SMC?). Regarding the photo images, there are hundreds of OPs on B4th that utilize this medium to get their point across. You use it yourself! So, I see no argument there, other than the fact that you don’t like my effective use of this tool.

Regarding men who abuse other men, sure we can have that discussion! This thread however is about “unfair” allegations hurled at men by women, most of which are either beyond the statute of limitations or are unchargable offenses. And the underreporting of women who abuse men and boys. However, my basic premise is the same. It’s not fair to an accused MAN or a WOMAN when you wait 20, 30, or 40 years to bring allegations against them. I had a problem with the 50 or so young men (and some older) who claimed that Michael Jackson had assaulted them back when they were little boys. Most were thrown out of the case by law enforcement that deemed them to be non-credible claims. Fortunately, after an exhaustive trial, he was found NOT GUILTY!

Again, I’m not saying that none of these claims have merit. The one’s that do have merit and are within the statuettes, should be investigated and let THE LAW prevail! All of the others are just allegations that can’t be proven, yet men are being persecuted in the media, castigated and fired without any recourse whatsoever. While women that are equally culpable of such claims are not discussed at all! I find it hard to believe that someone actually doesn’t see a problem with this. Incidentally, I’m not the one trying to incite a gender war, I’m the one pointing out the fact that your Illuminati Nephilim Overlords of Chaos are the ones inciting a gender war. LET’S GET IT STRAIGHT! This is obviously a concept that you have a problem with grasping, even though you are a moderator of a Forum featuring channeled messages from an alien entity that has clearly identified the Orion group and other negatively oriented entities and their influence in our reality. So you’re the one that seems confused and distorted to me.

Lastly, I find it disheartening that you as moderator would jump on me for merely defending myself against someone who has offered NOTHING AT ALL to the discussion other than calling me a troll and making lite of personal spiritual encounters that are not inconsistent with what Carla Rueckert, Don Elkins, and Jim McCarty experienced. In fact, many believe that this is what led to Don Elkins’ suicide. This doesn’t strike me as the role of moderator. But rather someone that uses his/her role as moderator to take sides and perpetuate his/her own biases. Some person creates a new account just to attack me with hateful comments and you attack ME for speaking hateful falsehoods?!! I’m sorry but this is not an honest distortion toward love, but rather just dishonest distortion.

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12-10-2017, 03:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 04:27 PM by Jade.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Thanks for your input, Dante. As a moderator of this forum, I am allowed to have my own opinions and voice them. I stand behind what I say, and what I feel is the lack of sincerity with which you have created this post.

I also find it interestingly fitting that as a moderator, I'm chided for having an opinion, although Austin had some equally clear and delineated grievances against your post.

I mostly agree with Austin, his opening and closing statements were very clear:

Austin Wrote:Even with the recent cultural phenomenon of holding certain men in power (certainly not all men who harass, yet), harassment by men against women is still wildly under-reported as well. And there is nothing about the concept of the taboo against men reporting harassment that is invalidated by the focus on voices of women who have been harassed. Bringing up this issue as a counterpoint to holding men responsible is a form of whataboutism that seems to more attempt to silence the women than give a voice to male victims.

........

I understand that giving women the spotlight here feels as though men who are legitimately suffering are being ignored, but there are ways to talk about that and bring it up in ways that isn't a counterpoint to the issue of men abusing women.

I call you a troll because I can tell just by this: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/search.php?action=results&sid=f8ce0505d35970370a6edaa97f04538f

Almost every thread you have made has been some attempt to make people scared, either of Ra, or the Law of One, or spirituality in general. I haven't seen you engage productively or seriously with the Law of One philosophy at all, just the space dramas with the Illuminati, the cabal, the archons, etc. And now here you come, exploiting that which is obviously a huge weakness in the forums (gender balance) and then acting like you're just innocently trying to have a conversation. I'm not buying it.

And I'm not saying that the poster who is 0000 made their best effort to offer a balanced opinion, either. I just find the SMC witchhunt extremely unbecoming of the forum at large, especially when people aren't willing to stand up to others who are obviously only here to disrupt and cause fear. My point is that NOBODY is above being "unbalanced" at any point in time, but we should make the efforts, and with that I think it is also a good effort to make to attempt to bring light to that which is shrouded in darkness - that specific thing being the "gender war", and what oppression consists of - and also, to discourage others from embracing falsity.

I just want everyone reading to imagine if the opposite had happened. What if I made a big post, rallying all the women, telling them how they are victims, about how in this Age of Trump we are all vulnerable to being even more victimized, how we need to fight back against men our oppressors, etc? Ah yes and let me include some cliched photos of men hitting women, secretaries with skeezy male bosses leering at them, and maybe some Mad Men-esque type pictures of ad execs creating sexy images for toothpaste. Maybe I'd throw in that meme with that dude checking out the other girl while his girlfriend recoils in horror. Would that go over well on the forum at all? It is a balanced or sincere attempt at discussion? Or is it merely trying to incite people who are already vulnerable to being triggered by such a discussion?
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12-10-2017, 07:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 09:28 PM by Dante776.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-10-2017, 03:53 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:  Thanks for your input, Dante. As a moderator of this forum, I am allowed to have my own opinions and voice them. I stand behind what I say, and what I feel is the lack of sincerity with which you have created this post.

I also find it interestingly fitting that as a moderator, I'm chided for having an opinion, although Austin had some equally clear and delineated grievances against your post.

I mostly agree with Austin, his opening and closing statements were very clear:

Austin Wrote:Even with the recent cultural phenomenon of holding certain men in power (certainly not all men who harass, yet), harassment by men against women is still wildly under-reported as well. And there is nothing about the concept of the taboo against men reporting harassment that is invalidated by the focus on voices of women who have been harassed. Bringing up this issue as a counterpoint to holding men responsible is a form of whataboutism that seems to more attempt to silence the women than give a voice to male victims.

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I understand that giving women the spotlight here feels as though men who are legitimately suffering are being ignored, but there are ways to talk about that and bring it up in ways that isn't a counterpoint to the issue of men abusing women.

I call you a troll because I can tell just by this: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/search.php?action=results&sid=f8ce0505d35970370a6edaa97f04538f

And I can equally call you a Feminist Troll, @feminist_troll, for posting messages like this. The victimization of men, https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14270. From what I can tell, you’re obviously a highly charged Faux Feminist who uses feminism to bash and belittle non-feminists (usually men). You generally only use feminism to hurt or attack others. And it is on this basis that you are completely out of line. I have made it clear that I am for JUSTICE, which includes equality among the genders. You on the other hand are simply trying to turn me into one of your Feminist Troll bashing lackeys, which I can assure I’m not the one. Save that drama for your husband, please! You’re the one that has a chip on your shoulder. You’re the one that seems to have Penis Envy.

Regarding Austin’s comments, his statement was a little more balanced than yours. He did at least acknowledge that men are victims of female harassment also whereas you don’t seem to acknowledge this at all. You just see men as "victims" by dint of birth. And for either of you to assume that I’m raising the issue as a counterpoint to holding men responsible or to silence the voices of women is just pure nonsense! What if I said that [the media] bringing up the issue of harassment to women as a counterpoint to holding whites responsible for the continued annihilation of unarmed blacks is just a form of whataboutism that seems more of an attempt to silence blacks than give a voice to female victims? Would that be right? Of course not! Both have merit and both deserve equal attention.

Quote:Almost every thread you have made has been some attempt to make people scared, either of Ra, or the Law of One, or spirituality in general. I haven't seen you engage productively or seriously with the Law of One philosophy at all, just the space dramas with the Illuminati, the cabal, the archons, etc.

That's right! And what I have contributed so far has done more to shed light on the subject than you have in the entire five years that you've been on here.

Quote:And now here you come, exploiting that which is obviously a huge weakness in the forums (gender balance) and then acting like you're just innocently trying to have a conversation. I'm not buying it.

Now, the last I heard this is a country that upholds freedom of speech. So who are you to criticize me for posting what I want to post? So what if I happen to have an opinion and a view that is drastically different than yours. I have my own experiences and studies that bring me to my conclusions, just as you have yours. Our differences is what makes us ALL special. And I celebrate that. Do you? I seriously doubt it. Besides, I just joined in September, less than 3 months ago compared to you, since June of 2013, giving you far more opportunities to post a wide rage of opinions on subject matters that I have yet been able to do. So, I don’t care if you’re not buying my desire to have a serious conversation on this matter because I’m not trying to sell it to you! Also, the notion of me being here only to disrupt and cause fear is just cheap attempt to label me. You’re simply trying to describe me by single terms and reduce me to a one-dimensional artifact which is totally uncalled for. We don’t have to use disparaging words in an attempt to diminish others just to feel better about ourselves. When you do this however, just keep in mind that Turnabout is fair game.

Quote:And I'm not saying that the poster who is 0000 made their best effort to offer a balanced opinion, either. I just find the SMC witchhunt extremely unbecoming of the forum at large, especially when people aren't willing to stand up to others who are obviously only here to disrupt and cause fear. My point is that NOBODY is above being "unbalanced" at any point in time, but we should make the efforts, and with that I think it is also a good effort to make to attempt to bring light to that which is shrouded in darkness - that specific thing being the "gender war", and what oppression consists of - and also, to discourage others from embracing falsity.

Offer a balanced opinion??? She flat out insulted me!! And that's all she did and you said nothing about it. I don't know anything about the SMC witchhunt which means she's obviously been a problem for others in the past, yet you fail to stand up for me when this person clearly signed up just to insult me!

Quote:I just want everyone reading to imagine if the opposite had happened. What if I made a big post, rallying all the women, telling them how they are victims, about how in this Age of Trump we are all vulnerable to being even more victimized, how we need to fight back against men our oppressors, etc?

This is already happening!

Quote:Ah yes and let me include some cliched photos of men hitting women, secretaries with skeezy male bosses leering at them, and maybe some Mad Men-esque type pictures of ad execs creating sexy images for toothpaste. Maybe I'd throw in that meme with that dude checking out the other girl while his girlfriend recoils in horror. Would that go over well on the forum at all? It is a balanced or sincere attempt at discussion? Or is it merely trying to incite people who are already vulnerable to being triggered by such a discussion?

Why don’t you try it and see what happens? I can assure that I wouldn’t need some dude trying to tell me whether or not this is valid information and am quite capable of thinking for myself which you obviously don’t feel that other women are capable of doing.
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12-10-2017, 09:38 PM,
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
It's all just an attachment problem. In the end, if a man sees a woman, and can think of nothing else for the next month, is that not abuse?

It's simply passive vs active. We blame men because they 'seem' to be the active abuser, when reality does much worse constantly via feminine passage. We assume that a man acting bellicosely towards a woman must be evil because there is an I involved. A woman toying with a man for fun, with no intention of relationship would then also be abusive.

I would just get guys like this sex counselors. No questions asked. If you haven't learned how to enjoy yourself after you're 50 or 60, and you're in a position of power? God help us all.
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12-10-2017, 10:06 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-10-2017, 11:36 PM by Dante776.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
(12-07-2017, 09:09 PM)Glow Wrote:  [...] I'm curious. Do you not see a need for balance?

Sure I do! But not in the manner of many dictators that come into power do by rounding up their enemy's and placing them before a firing squad without any due process.  

Quote:Does this not just appear like the pendulum swinging over its target of the middle to the other extreme?

Is this the the extreme pendulum swinging reality that you’re hoping for? Okay, maybe not you. But somehow I get the feeling that some in the feminist movement do want this. Check out this episode of Sliders. It's only 38 minutes long and very telling!





The group arrives on a world where women hold public office, play professional sports, fly planes, and are captains of industry while men cook, clean, and stay home to take care of the kids. Over the centuries, men had gradually come to resent female leadership and believe they should be equal and not discriminated against as seen by Arturo's popularity. To add to this, it is definitely a caste system; a matriarchal version of 19th century patriarchal society, men have little avenues of employment aside from modeling, secretarial work and nannying and are treated as second-class citizens subject to female whims. Hillary Clinton is the president of the United States of America, and Jane Pauley is the Pope.
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12-11-2017, 02:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-11-2017, 04:01 AM by YinYang.)
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
Dante Wrote:Is this the the extreme pendulum swinging reality that you’re hoping for? Okay, maybe not you. But somehow I get the feeling that some in the feminist movement do want this.

Anxiety is the fear that one of a pair of opposites might cancel the other. Forever. Dante, you said above "There has always been balance in one form or another." This is a lie as far as gender equality goes, and you know it, women have been subjugated for millennia now, which completely validates Jade's response "but I feel a duty to not allow complete falsehoods to perpetuate". You seem to be quite upset by this societal change that has been gradually happening for a very long time, these things don't happen overnight. It happens step by step, with every generation inching us closer to an equal playing field for both genders (and all races mind you).

I am very relieved at the progress that has been achieved. What is a free society? A society where everyone, regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation is allowed to achieve their highest potential. We still have a long way to go, so you might experience a lot more discomfort in future, because this wave is just starting to gain momentum. Look where patriarchy got us... a world in shambles... a world at war... a world destroyed...

As Alan Watts put it:

Quote:Isn't it curious then, that, especially in the nineteenth century, when the prevailing philosophy of science was called scientific naturalism (involving repudiation of the notion that the world was governed by external and supernatural intelligence) that people calling themselves naturalists began to wage an unprecedented war on nature. The naturalists were those who thought nature is stupid, and therefore if the values and the intelligence of mankind are to persist, we must beat nature into submission to our wills. We thus initiated a form of technology whose basic premise was that man must dominate rather than cooperate with nature. Our technology has been motivated by a hostile spirit whose two great mythological symbols are the space rocket and the bulldozer.

The space rocket is, quite obviously, a phallic symbol, and a hostile phallus. This has something to do, I suppose, with our sexual inadequacies. A phallus in the biological sense is not a weapon at all; it is a caressing instrument. The whole idea of the phallus is to give a woman ecstasy, and perhaps a baby. It's not to pierce her as if it were a sword. Thus the proper conception of a rocket should not be to conquer space... but could you possibly imagine the idea of giving pleasure to space, or our going out into space to confer love and delight upon any other beings that may be out there, and to fertilise naked planets. In the same way the symbol of the bulldozer is to make a horrible fulfilment of the biblical prophecy that "every valley shall be exalted and every mountain laid low and the rough places plane", an attitude of pushing the world around.

It is therefor absolutely urgent for our survival that we put behind technology a completely new spirit and attitude. This is not an anti technological attitude. It is not saying that science is a ghastly mistake, but what we need is not less science but more. We need more and more study and understanding of our complex relationships to and dependence on plants, insects, bacteria, gases, astronomical processes - and the more we understand how our existence is one process with the existence of all these other creatures and things, the more we can use technology in an intelligent way, regarding the world outside of ourselves as simply an extension or part of our own bodies.
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12-11-2017, 02:50 AM,
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RE: Why Aren't Men Fighting Back? - The Sexual Assault of Men and Boys
I would strongly disagree. The subconscious desire a man feels to pleasure or make happy a woman is stronger than any force that I've ever encountered. In my last relationship I 'conquered' this drive, it took half a year, and I still have this subconscious desire to supplicate to a woman. So either I'm unusual, or woman simply haven't had to ever learn to challenge their fears in modern society.

There is always balance, but it may be expressed in ways that benefit neither. Right now relationships tend towards very controlling and possessive behavior to the extent that people that value friendship are driven to the fringes (lesbian/gay/trans/queer/etc) to find real connection. This is because there is an "Agenda" to find greatness in women, and woman are basically dropping the ball. It's always the fringes that lose out, but that's the matrix for you.
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