I wanted to hold back for a bit before jumping into the fray and comment on what I think is going on. First of all, I did not post this as a troll bait thread Jade. Why is it that every time someone posts a serious topic that requires serious discussion, albeit contentious, someone has to label it “troll baiting?” I take this topic very seriously and the fact that it has garnered more than 500 views in less than 48 hours tells me that many others take it seriously as well. At the same time, I see nothing wrong with a little levity, as long as we're not making fun of any alleged victims.
I understand the need for balance, but I think the pretext for which to create this balance is problematic to me. Because it involves very serious allegations that often go back 30 and 40 years against some of these men. A few go back more than 50 years. I mean, where does it end? After all of this time it just becomes a classic case of he said/she said, right?
Why didn’t these women bring charges against these men at the time? The EEOC has been around since 1965. Prior to that they had law enforcement and the courts. Now, you may say that the law was not always on the side of women just as it was not for black Americans, however the courts were still used by many women over the years to gain equality. There was New York’s Married Women’s Property Act (1848), granting married women control over their property and earnings, adopted by all states by 1900. There was the Nineteenth Amendment to the US Constitution in 1920 guaranteeing women the right to vote. The Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, The Equal Pay Act of 1963 and many other court legislation's that fared well for women. Since the late 1800’s court’s have been passing legislation prohibiting husbands from committing even a slight assault upon his wife. So, there is no excuse for why these women didn’t seek redress at the time of these alleged assaults.
Furthermore, I think that many of these women are NOT owning up to the part they may have played in some of these encounters. Many women have used sex to gain an advantage in society. Whether we’re talking Hollywood, politics, or the board room, woman have used sex to lure men into giving them jobs, promotions, movie roles, appointments, etc. This is no secret! And I would dare say that many of the current crop of accusers, after gaining their wealth and fame, are using selective memory about what really happened between them and the accused in many of these cases. Some of the men that we are hearing from who admit their role in some of these encounters are saying “I felt that I was pursuing shared feelings” or “some of what is being said is untrue or mischaracterized,” but this does not seem to have any leverage whatsoever. Women have often used sex to put men in uncompromising positions and then complain or yell rape when they didn’t get what they wanted. Now, I’m not saying that none of these claims have merit. I’m just saying that if they didn’t seek redress at the time it happened, and we allow every woman that has a gripe with some guy that they knowingly flirted with and then, several years later say that he assaulted them only for the accused to lose his job, his office, his appointment, etc., for unproven claims, I have a problem with this.
Women have used sex to win wars, inherit empires, property, wealth, and power. No debate there, right? They, often in partnership with men, have used sex to sell cars, boats, motorcycles, cologne, jewelry, liquor, chocolates, lingerie and a host of other products. Many have even become quite wealthy doing so. Any argument there? And what about porn and exhibitionism? No one is making these women perform in strip clubs, pose naked in magazines, and shoot stag films at gunpoint. They’re doing it willfully because they see it as a quick means of obtaining wealth. Of course, not all of them get wealthy but many have. In some clubs, bars and casinos waitresses will dress provocatively to get better tips. Female weather and traffic reporters often wear busty tight dresses to compete for more viewers. The reality is that sex sells. And women know this! They have been all too often willing to use it to their advantage. And like C_A said, “Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless! And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty.”
So, I’m sorry Glow, but I don’t see the pendulum as swinging to the other extreme. There has always been balance in one form or another. You just choose not to recognize this fact. As I said in my post, I see it as a sort of Trojan Horse by the Powers That Be (PTB) to deflect attention away from real issues in the world. Also to manipulate and exploit both men and women, control them, distract them, divide them, etc. Not to mention that they’re selling a boat load of magazines and newspapers behind this. Aion asked, “Who benefits from the war between men and women?” I agree with GentleWanderer, “The dark team, but who exactly? Inspiring antagonism between the two poles is the best way to prevent evolution and the journey home into oneness.”
Who exactly? Could it be none other than the fallen ones of Orion and Pleiades? The power behind the PTB?
Ref:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHIEWlSaGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIG7nXR4LZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1s6mdy0tGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_l13ArMSg
I understand the need for balance, but I think the pretext for which to create this balance is problematic to me. Because it involves very serious allegations that often go back 30 and 40 years against some of these men. A few go back more than 50 years. I mean, where does it end? After all of this time it just becomes a classic case of he said/she said, right?
Why didn’t these women bring charges against these men at the time? The EEOC has been around since 1965. Prior to that they had law enforcement and the courts. Now, you may say that the law was not always on the side of women just as it was not for black Americans, however the courts were still used by many women over the years to gain equality. There was New York’s Married Women’s Property Act (1848), granting married women control over their property and earnings, adopted by all states by 1900. There was the Nineteenth Amendment to the US Constitution in 1920 guaranteeing women the right to vote. The Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, The Equal Pay Act of 1963 and many other court legislation's that fared well for women. Since the late 1800’s court’s have been passing legislation prohibiting husbands from committing even a slight assault upon his wife. So, there is no excuse for why these women didn’t seek redress at the time of these alleged assaults.
Furthermore, I think that many of these women are NOT owning up to the part they may have played in some of these encounters. Many women have used sex to gain an advantage in society. Whether we’re talking Hollywood, politics, or the board room, woman have used sex to lure men into giving them jobs, promotions, movie roles, appointments, etc. This is no secret! And I would dare say that many of the current crop of accusers, after gaining their wealth and fame, are using selective memory about what really happened between them and the accused in many of these cases. Some of the men that we are hearing from who admit their role in some of these encounters are saying “I felt that I was pursuing shared feelings” or “some of what is being said is untrue or mischaracterized,” but this does not seem to have any leverage whatsoever. Women have often used sex to put men in uncompromising positions and then complain or yell rape when they didn’t get what they wanted. Now, I’m not saying that none of these claims have merit. I’m just saying that if they didn’t seek redress at the time it happened, and we allow every woman that has a gripe with some guy that they knowingly flirted with and then, several years later say that he assaulted them only for the accused to lose his job, his office, his appointment, etc., for unproven claims, I have a problem with this.
Women have used sex to win wars, inherit empires, property, wealth, and power. No debate there, right? They, often in partnership with men, have used sex to sell cars, boats, motorcycles, cologne, jewelry, liquor, chocolates, lingerie and a host of other products. Many have even become quite wealthy doing so. Any argument there? And what about porn and exhibitionism? No one is making these women perform in strip clubs, pose naked in magazines, and shoot stag films at gunpoint. They’re doing it willfully because they see it as a quick means of obtaining wealth. Of course, not all of them get wealthy but many have. In some clubs, bars and casinos waitresses will dress provocatively to get better tips. Female weather and traffic reporters often wear busty tight dresses to compete for more viewers. The reality is that sex sells. And women know this! They have been all too often willing to use it to their advantage. And like C_A said, “Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless! And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty.”
So, I’m sorry Glow, but I don’t see the pendulum as swinging to the other extreme. There has always been balance in one form or another. You just choose not to recognize this fact. As I said in my post, I see it as a sort of Trojan Horse by the Powers That Be (PTB) to deflect attention away from real issues in the world. Also to manipulate and exploit both men and women, control them, distract them, divide them, etc. Not to mention that they’re selling a boat load of magazines and newspapers behind this. Aion asked, “Who benefits from the war between men and women?” I agree with GentleWanderer, “The dark team, but who exactly? Inspiring antagonism between the two poles is the best way to prevent evolution and the journey home into oneness.”
Who exactly? Could it be none other than the fallen ones of Orion and Pleiades? The power behind the PTB?
Ref:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHIEWlSaGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIG7nXR4LZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1s6mdy0tGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_l13ArMSg